Guest guest Posted October 5, 1999 Report Share Posted October 5, 1999 Am not that familiar with Tourette's but think that verbal tics are a part of it. It is one of the OCD Spectrum Disorders Jim in San Diego Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 1999 Report Share Posted October 5, 1999 Hi Everyone, I need some advice and am hoping some of you may be able to help. My son Brett is 10 and started in middle school this year. Despite his ocd, he has managed quite well. His teacher reports that he is doing super academically and is very pleasant. The problem is that he has been talking out in class. He has been punished for this by having to lunch by himself, staying inside etc. This has also been noticed by his reading teacher. He continues to talk during quiet times. This is not my son at all. He is so afraid of doing something 'wrong' that he goes out of his way to be sure he is being 'good'. He used to hit his sister and then sit in the time out chair before I could even say a word to him. I have ask him why he is talking and he says he just has these thoughts and has to say them. He tries to whisper them sometimes but they have to be said. My question (finally) is could this be another form of his ocd? He has also been making a throat clearing sound quite often over the last few months. I am not looking for an excuse for his behavior and we have discussed how the teacher was correct in punishing him. Please let me know what your thoughts are on this. It's a very delicate line to walk as you all know!!! Thanks, in PA 2884|1|ADFORCE;loc=300; " target=_top><img src= " http://adforce.imgis.com/?adserv|2.0|2|94694|2884|1|ADFORCE;loc=300; " border=0 width=468 height=60></a></center> <!-- endONElist --> > ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 1999 Report Share Posted October 5, 1999 HI : Of course it is difficult to say without seeing and observing Brett but this sounds like he is getting punished for OCD symptoms and that is unfair and likely to make things worse. From what Brett says OCD is behind this behavior. That means it is very tough to control without CBT directed at the behavior. I would discuss this problem asap with his CBT therapist and get started on turning the situation around. IN the meantime perhaps they can assist you with explaining to the school how this is OCD and it must be accommodated. You are right this is a tough issue for the schools. Teachers do not like to have different behavioral standards for some students, but that is what accommodations of disabilities is all about. It is illegal to treat them the same if they have a disability. YOu have the power of the law on your side but hopefully reason, common sense and some compassion can carry the day. You might want to include this specific accommodation in his 504 plan. Good luck, take care, aloha, Kathy (H) kathyh@... At 02:55 PM 10/5/99 -0700, you wrote: >From: <clmaynard147@...> > >Hi Everyone, >I need some advice and am hoping some of you may be >able to help. My son Brett is 10 and started in >middle school this year. Despite his ocd, he has >managed quite well. His teacher reports that he is >doing super academically and is very pleasant. The >problem is that he has been talking out in class. He >has been punished for this by having to lunch by >himself, staying inside etc. This has also been >noticed by his reading teacher. He continues to talk >during quiet times. > >This is not my son at all. He is so afraid of doing >something 'wrong' that he goes out of his way to be >sure he is being 'good'. He used to hit his sister >and then sit in the time out chair before I could even >say a word to him. > >I have ask him why he is talking and he says he just >has these thoughts and has to say them. He tries to >whisper them sometimes but they have to be said. > >My question (finally) is could this be another form of >his ocd? He has also been making a throat clearing >sound quite often over the last few months. I am not >looking for an excuse for his behavior and we have >discussed how the teacher was correct in punishing >him. Please let me know what your thoughts are on >this. It's a very delicate line to walk as you all >know!!! >Thanks, > in PA > >2884|1|ADFORCE;loc=300; " target=_top><img >src= " http://adforce.imgis.com/?adserv|2.0|2|94694|2884|1|ADFORCE;loc=300; " >border=0 width=468 height=60></a></center> ><!-- endONElist --> >> > > >===== > >>You may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing >listserv@... . >In the body of your message write: >subscribe OCD-L your name. >The archives for the OCD and >Parenting List may be accessed by going to > . >Enter your email address and password. >Click on the highlighted list name and then click on index. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 1999 Report Share Posted October 5, 1999 My son does this. He also has very rapid eye blinking. They told me it is Tics. When they put him on his first med it made them very very bad. Toni Re: Help! > From: <clmaynard147@...> > > Hi Everyone, > I need some advice and am hoping some of you may be > able to help. My son Brett is 10 and started in > middle school this year. Despite his ocd, he has > managed quite well. His teacher reports that he is > doing super academically and is very pleasant. The > problem is that he has been talking out in class. He > has been punished for this by having to lunch by > himself, staying inside etc. This has also been > noticed by his reading teacher. He continues to talk > during quiet times. > > This is not my son at all. He is so afraid of doing > something 'wrong' that he goes out of his way to be > sure he is being 'good'. He used to hit his sister > and then sit in the time out chair before I could even > say a word to him. > > I have ask him why he is talking and he says he just > has these thoughts and has to say them. He tries to > whisper them sometimes but they have to be said. > > My question (finally) is could this be another form of > his ocd? He has also been making a throat clearing > sound quite often over the last few months. I am not > looking for an excuse for his behavior and we have > discussed how the teacher was correct in punishing > him. Please let me know what your thoughts are on > this. It's a very delicate line to walk as you all > know!!! > Thanks, > in PA > > 2884|1|ADFORCE;loc=300; " target=_top><img > src= " http://adforce.imgis.com/?adserv|2.0|2|94694|2884|1|ADFORCE;loc=300; " > border=0 width=468 height=60></a></center> > <!-- endONElist --> > > > > > ===== > > > You may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing > listserv@... . > In the body of your message write: > subscribe OCD-L your name. > The archives for the OCD and > Parenting List may be accessed by going to > . > Enter your email address and password. > Click on the highlighted list name and then click on index. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 1999 Report Share Posted October 6, 1999 Dear Beth, Thanks for the words of encouragement. Molly came home today and I asked the usual question, how was school. She said it was great except for Mrs. D's class. I asked her what happened. The kids sit about 4-5 to a table. The boys at Molly's table were calling her an idiot. She got frustrated and yelled shut up. Mrs. D. read her the riot act. Molly told her what the boys were saying and Mrs. D. said that since she didn't hear it she couldn't address it. Well I am going to school tomorrow. What kind of answer was that. Does she think Molly yelled shut up for no reason out of the blue. Molly was so upset she was lethargic and crying. She talked about it to her tutorial guide. So tonight we had major!!!! contamination issues. The bread wasn't okay, the blanket was dirty, she couldn't get under my covers, etc. It is amazing what one human being can do to an innocent kiddo. Patti Re: Help! > > > > > > >From: " Kathy " <klr@...> > > > > > > > > > > > >> From: <clmaynard147@...> > > >> The > > >> problem is that he has been talking out in class. He > > >> has been punished for this by having to lunch by > > >> himself, staying inside etc. This has also been > > >> noticed by his reading teacher. He continues to talk > > >> during quiet times. > > >> > > >> This is not my son at all. He is so afraid of doing > > >> something 'wrong' that he goes out of his way to be > > >> sure he is being 'good'. He used to hit his sister > > >> and then sit in the time out chair before I could even > > >> say a word to him. > > >> > > >> I have ask him why he is talking and he says he just > > >> has these thoughts and has to say them. He tries to > > >> whisper them sometimes but they have to be said. > > >> > > >> My question (finally) is could this be another form of > > >> his ocd? He has also been making a throat clearing > > >> sound quite often over the last few months. > > > > > >Hi , I had to respond to this. Your son's new behavior is familiar > to > > >me, it's the primary symptom my daughter (5) has. She is compelled by > ocd > > >to go against rules in general. When she's having a hard time with ocd, > if > > >she's somewhere where the rule is no talking, she has to talk. If the > > >teacher says " don't do (whatever) " she will do exactly what the teacher > > just > > >instructed the class not to do in a knee-jerk fashion. The effect is of > a > > >child " just asking " to be consequenced, which is exactly what ocd is > > pushing > > >for. She gets some relief from the anxiety by being put into time out, > > >yelled at, losing privileges, etc. My daughter also has had throat > > clearing > > >and other vocal tics on and off, currently she has a muscle-tensing tic. > > >I've wondered about Tourette's with her but her doctor calls it ocd. She > > >does too, she says she *has* to do the bad thing " or else " ocd bad > feelings > > >will get much worse. When she is somewhere where she particularly wishes > > to > > >impress, this compulsion comes on strong. It makes sense given ocd's > > >ego-dystonic nature. > > > > > >It's interesting to me that, like your son, before what I've been > > >considering Kel's ocd onset, she too was a very good, very obedient child > > >who *never* misbehaved. This bothered me enough that I changed my mind > and > > >sent her to preschool at age 3. I thought this behavior was due to her > > >being an only child and spending so much time around adults, but now I > > >wonder if this was ocd too. > > > > > >In my experience this behavior shouldn't be consequenced, since it only > > >strengthens the compulsion to act out and basically doesn't work. At > home > > I > > >ignore or respond in a paradoxical way to these attempts to get herself > in > > >trouble, but I imagine this approach would be difficult in the classroom. > > >We've been lucky so far in that Kel is distracted enough at school that > > this > > >compulsion hasn't become out of hand there--yet. According to her > teacher > > >she is consequenced for misbehavior once or twice a week--a rate the > > teacher > > >says is on par with the other children and acceptable to her. > > > > > >Sorry this is so long. This type of compulsion is very upsetting to both > > >the young ocder and those around him or her. Please let me know how you > > end > > >up handling this one. > > > > > >Kathy R. in Indiana > > > > > >>You may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing > > >listserv@... . > > >In the body of your message write: > > >subscribe OCD-L your name. > > >The archives for the OCD and > > >Parenting List may be accessed by going to > > > . > > >Enter your email address and password. > > >Click on the highlighted list name and then click on index. > > > > > > > > You may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing > > listserv@... . > > In the body of your message write: > > subscribe OCD-L your name. > > The archives for the OCD and > > Parenting List may be accessed by going to > > . > > Enter your email address and password. > > Click on the highlighted list name and then click on index. > > > > > You may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing > listserv@... . > In the body of your message write: > subscribe OCD-L your name. > The archives for the OCD and > Parenting List may be accessed by going to > . > Enter your email address and password. > Click on the highlighted list name and then click on index. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 1999 Report Share Posted October 6, 1999 > From: <clmaynard147@...> > The > problem is that he has been talking out in class. He > has been punished for this by having to lunch by > himself, staying inside etc. This has also been > noticed by his reading teacher. He continues to talk > during quiet times. > > This is not my son at all. He is so afraid of doing > something 'wrong' that he goes out of his way to be > sure he is being 'good'. He used to hit his sister > and then sit in the time out chair before I could even > say a word to him. > > I have ask him why he is talking and he says he just > has these thoughts and has to say them. He tries to > whisper them sometimes but they have to be said. > > My question (finally) is could this be another form of > his ocd? He has also been making a throat clearing > sound quite often over the last few months. Hi , I had to respond to this. Your son's new behavior is familiar to me, it's the primary symptom my daughter (5) has. She is compelled by ocd to go against rules in general. When she's having a hard time with ocd, if she's somewhere where the rule is no talking, she has to talk. If the teacher says " don't do (whatever) " she will do exactly what the teacher just instructed the class not to do in a knee-jerk fashion. The effect is of a child " just asking " to be consequenced, which is exactly what ocd is pushing for. She gets some relief from the anxiety by being put into time out, yelled at, losing privileges, etc. My daughter also has had throat clearing and other vocal tics on and off, currently she has a muscle-tensing tic. I've wondered about Tourette's with her but her doctor calls it ocd. She does too, she says she *has* to do the bad thing " or else " ocd bad feelings will get much worse. When she is somewhere where she particularly wishes to impress, this compulsion comes on strong. It makes sense given ocd's ego-dystonic nature. It's interesting to me that, like your son, before what I've been considering Kel's ocd onset, she too was a very good, very obedient child who *never* misbehaved. This bothered me enough that I changed my mind and sent her to preschool at age 3. I thought this behavior was due to her being an only child and spending so much time around adults, but now I wonder if this was ocd too. In my experience this behavior shouldn't be consequenced, since it only strengthens the compulsion to act out and basically doesn't work. At home I ignore or respond in a paradoxical way to these attempts to get herself in trouble, but I imagine this approach would be difficult in the classroom. We've been lucky so far in that Kel is distracted enough at school that this compulsion hasn't become out of hand there--yet. According to her teacher she is consequenced for misbehavior once or twice a week--a rate the teacher says is on par with the other children and acceptable to her. Sorry this is so long. This type of compulsion is very upsetting to both the young ocder and those around him or her. Please let me know how you end up handling this one. Kathy R. in Indiana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 1999 Report Share Posted October 6, 1999 The posts about the schools are so on target. Molly has an " interim " 504 plan in place until her evaluation is complete. No matter how supportive the school system is there is always that " one " teacher. The comment from Kathy R. about our kids looking like brats with an incompetent mom really hit home. Molly really cannot handle being disciplined in any way in front of the class. True most kids can't. But Molly beleives that all the kids know she is not " normal " and also that a teacher who disciplines her publically doesnt like her. At our initial 504 Plan meeting the school was wonderful. The social worker was there, along with all the teachers, guidance counsellor and the Oasis leader. (Oasis is a school tutorial which offers a safe place for kids on a regular basis) My husband and I had written a history of Molly sharing some of her experiences, how OCD presented itself and what the worries and anxieties and compulsions do. One teacher said he felt everyone should read it once in awhile to remind themselves how hard it must be for Molly. We were thrilled by their willingness, the questions they asked, etc. They even made a date for all of us to get together and watch the " Touching Tree " plus they all read the Criticial Link Handbook. HOWEVER, there was one teacher I just got bad vibes from. Moms intuition, call it what you may. She asked a question about how can you deal with one child differently then the rest. And just the way she asked it set off my alarm bells. At the movie she was somewhat distant and unmoved. Last night Molly told me that Mrs. D yelled at her to stay after class. The 504 plan clearly states there is to be some kind of cue for Molly to stay when the teacher needs to talk to her. Last night was open house and this teacher was just plain b--chy. Molly had gotten 100!!!!! on her book project and the teacher showed no enthusiasm. So after Molly told me about the incident in class I called guidance. The guidance counsellor said she would look into it and get back to me. I told her I felt this teacher had a problem with treating a child differently, that I felt as did Molly the teacher didnt like her. I got no agrumnent from guidance. SO....................how far should I go. Do I push and possbily alienate the rest of the staff who are working so hard. I guess I also struggle with how dense and unforgiving someone who has chosen to teach kids can be. How could you possibly read all that literature, see that movie and not realize that in fact MOLLY IS DIFFERENT. What will happen if this teacher gets to rough is that Molly will spend that class in the bathroom. And no one will get her out. So advise me please, do I push for this teacher to follow the plan to the letter or do I try to get Molly to understand that she needs to not plug into the teacher. Patti Re: Help! >From: " Kathy " <klr@...> > > > >> From: <clmaynard147@...> >> The >> problem is that he has been talking out in class. He >> has been punished for this by having to lunch by >> himself, staying inside etc. This has also been >> noticed by his reading teacher. He continues to talk >> during quiet times. >> >> This is not my son at all. He is so afraid of doing >> something 'wrong' that he goes out of his way to be >> sure he is being 'good'. He used to hit his sister >> and then sit in the time out chair before I could even >> say a word to him. >> >> I have ask him why he is talking and he says he just >> has these thoughts and has to say them. He tries to >> whisper them sometimes but they have to be said. >> >> My question (finally) is could this be another form of >> his ocd? He has also been making a throat clearing >> sound quite often over the last few months. > >Hi , I had to respond to this. Your son's new behavior is familiar to >me, it's the primary symptom my daughter (5) has. She is compelled by ocd >to go against rules in general. When she's having a hard time with ocd, if >she's somewhere where the rule is no talking, she has to talk. If the >teacher says " don't do (whatever) " she will do exactly what the teacher just >instructed the class not to do in a knee-jerk fashion. The effect is of a >child " just asking " to be consequenced, which is exactly what ocd is pushing >for. She gets some relief from the anxiety by being put into time out, >yelled at, losing privileges, etc. My daughter also has had throat clearing >and other vocal tics on and off, currently she has a muscle-tensing tic. >I've wondered about Tourette's with her but her doctor calls it ocd. She >does too, she says she *has* to do the bad thing " or else " ocd bad feelings >will get much worse. When she is somewhere where she particularly wishes to >impress, this compulsion comes on strong. It makes sense given ocd's >ego-dystonic nature. > >It's interesting to me that, like your son, before what I've been >considering Kel's ocd onset, she too was a very good, very obedient child >who *never* misbehaved. This bothered me enough that I changed my mind and >sent her to preschool at age 3. I thought this behavior was due to her >being an only child and spending so much time around adults, but now I >wonder if this was ocd too. > >In my experience this behavior shouldn't be consequenced, since it only >strengthens the compulsion to act out and basically doesn't work. At home I >ignore or respond in a paradoxical way to these attempts to get herself in >trouble, but I imagine this approach would be difficult in the classroom. >We've been lucky so far in that Kel is distracted enough at school that this >compulsion hasn't become out of hand there--yet. According to her teacher >she is consequenced for misbehavior once or twice a week--a rate the teacher >says is on par with the other children and acceptable to her. > >Sorry this is so long. This type of compulsion is very upsetting to both >the young ocder and those around him or her. Please let me know how you end >up handling this one. > >Kathy R. in Indiana > >>You may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing >listserv@... . >In the body of your message write: >subscribe OCD-L your name. >The archives for the OCD and >Parenting List may be accessed by going to > . >Enter your email address and password. >Click on the highlighted list name and then click on index. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 1999 Report Share Posted October 6, 1999 I went to my sons school today and asked about a 504 plan. I talked to the principle and he acted like I was just some over worried mother. He stated that they really didn't like to do 504 plans because there was so much paper work involved. I told him the problems my son is having and the way I think they should be handled and what I thought of his teacher. He told me he would go over some things through the next week and get back to me. How long should I wait until I go back over and demand that this gets taken care of?? Thanks for your advice. Toni > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 1999 Report Share Posted October 6, 1999 Probably the best time to do a 504 Plan was last year, last week, or yesterday. The next best time is today. A good place to start is to ask the school to perform the diagnostic testing to see where your son fits in. If they receive money from the Federal Government, htey are required to assist. Many of the members of this list have been doing research on 504 Plans for themselves, so I would bet you already have a wonderful resource by being here. Jim Many of the me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 1999 Report Share Posted October 6, 1999 Patti, Even teachers need to be taught sometimes.This teacher needs to know that she is not above the rules, who does she think she is!!! Beth in IN. Re: Help! > > > >From: " Kathy " <klr@...> > > > > > > > >> From: <clmaynard147@...> > >> The > >> problem is that he has been talking out in class. He > >> has been punished for this by having to lunch by > >> himself, staying inside etc. This has also been > >> noticed by his reading teacher. He continues to talk > >> during quiet times. > >> > >> This is not my son at all. He is so afraid of doing > >> something 'wrong' that he goes out of his way to be > >> sure he is being 'good'. He used to hit his sister > >> and then sit in the time out chair before I could even > >> say a word to him. > >> > >> I have ask him why he is talking and he says he just > >> has these thoughts and has to say them. He tries to > >> whisper them sometimes but they have to be said. > >> > >> My question (finally) is could this be another form of > >> his ocd? He has also been making a throat clearing > >> sound quite often over the last few months. > > > >Hi , I had to respond to this. Your son's new behavior is familiar to > >me, it's the primary symptom my daughter (5) has. She is compelled by ocd > >to go against rules in general. When she's having a hard time with ocd, if > >she's somewhere where the rule is no talking, she has to talk. If the > >teacher says " don't do (whatever) " she will do exactly what the teacher > just > >instructed the class not to do in a knee-jerk fashion. The effect is of a > >child " just asking " to be consequenced, which is exactly what ocd is > pushing > >for. She gets some relief from the anxiety by being put into time out, > >yelled at, losing privileges, etc. My daughter also has had throat > clearing > >and other vocal tics on and off, currently she has a muscle-tensing tic. > >I've wondered about Tourette's with her but her doctor calls it ocd. She > >does too, she says she *has* to do the bad thing " or else " ocd bad feelings > >will get much worse. When she is somewhere where she particularly wishes > to > >impress, this compulsion comes on strong. It makes sense given ocd's > >ego-dystonic nature. > > > >It's interesting to me that, like your son, before what I've been > >considering Kel's ocd onset, she too was a very good, very obedient child > >who *never* misbehaved. This bothered me enough that I changed my mind and > >sent her to preschool at age 3. I thought this behavior was due to her > >being an only child and spending so much time around adults, but now I > >wonder if this was ocd too. > > > >In my experience this behavior shouldn't be consequenced, since it only > >strengthens the compulsion to act out and basically doesn't work. At home > I > >ignore or respond in a paradoxical way to these attempts to get herself in > >trouble, but I imagine this approach would be difficult in the classroom. > >We've been lucky so far in that Kel is distracted enough at school that > this > >compulsion hasn't become out of hand there--yet. According to her teacher > >she is consequenced for misbehavior once or twice a week--a rate the > teacher > >says is on par with the other children and acceptable to her. > > > >Sorry this is so long. This type of compulsion is very upsetting to both > >the young ocder and those around him or her. Please let me know how you > end > >up handling this one. > > > >Kathy R. in Indiana > > > >>You may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing > >listserv@... . > >In the body of your message write: > >subscribe OCD-L your name. > >The archives for the OCD and > >Parenting List may be accessed by going to > > . > >Enter your email address and password. > >Click on the highlighted list name and then click on index. > > > > > You may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing > listserv@... . > In the body of your message write: > subscribe OCD-L your name. > The archives for the OCD and > Parenting List may be accessed by going to > . > Enter your email address and password. > Click on the highlighted list name and then click on index. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 1999 Report Share Posted October 7, 1999 Thanks to everyone who responded to my question about Brett talking out in class. You all helped ease my mind. What a wonderful support group! I talked to Brett's family doctor who is very knowledgeable with ocd. He thinks it may be Tourettes that is causing his problems. He is scheduling him an appointment with a pediatric neurologist. The doctor gave me a note saying he should not be punished for the outbursts, so we will see how that goes. We also have a meeting with his teacher today. Wish me luck! I get so frustrated with people who do not understand this and accuse me of looking for excuses for his behavior. Not only am I working to help my child, but I am spending time defending him to people who don't have a clue! This list has been a tremendous source of information and support. Thank you all! in PA Kathy Hammes <kathyh@...> wrote: HI : Of course it is difficult to say without seeing and observing Brett but this sounds like he is getting punished for OCD symptoms and that is unfair and likely to make things worse. From what Brett says OCD is behind this behavior. That means it is very tough to control without CBT directed at the behavior. I would discuss this problem asap with his CBT therapist and get started on turning the situation around. IN the meantime perhaps they can assist you with explaining to the school how this is OCD and it must be accommodated. You are right this is a tough issue for the schools. Teachers do not like to have different behavioral standards for some students, but that is what accommodations of disabilities is all about. It is illegal to treat them the same if they have a disability. YOu have the power of the law on your side but hopefully reason, common sense and some compassion can carry the day. You might want to include this specific accommodation in his 504 plan. Good luck, take care, aloha, Kathy (H) kathyh@... At 02:55 PM 10/5/99 -0700, you wrote: >From: > >Hi Everyone, >I need some advice and am hoping some of you may be >able to help. My son Brett is 10 and started in >middle school this year. Despite his ocd, he has >managed quite well. His teacher reports that he is >doing super academically and is very pleasant. The >problem is that he has been talking out in class. He >has been punished for this by having to lunch by >himself, staying inside etc. This has also been >noticed by his reading teacher. He continues to talk >during quiet times. > >This is not my son at all. He is so afraid of doing >something 'wrong' that he goes out of his way to be >sure he is being 'good'. He used to hit his sister >and then sit in the time out chair before I could even >say a word to him. > >I have ask him why he is talking and he says he just >has these thoughts and has to say them. He tries to >whisper them sometimes but they have to be said. > >My question (finally) is could this be another form of >his ocd? He has also been making a throat clearing >sound quite often over the last few months. I am not >looking for an excuse for his behavior and we have >discussed how the teacher was correct in punishing >him. Please let me know what your thoughts are on >this. It's a very delicate line to walk as you all >know!!! >Thanks, > in PA > >2884|1|ADFORCE;loc=300; " target=_top>>src= " http://adforce.imgis.com/?adserv|2.0|2|94694|2884|1|ADFORCE;lo\ c=300; " >border=0 width=468 height=60> > >> > > >===== > >>You may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing >listserv@... . >In the body of your message write: >subscribe OCD-L your name. >The archives for the OCD and >Parenting List may be accessed by going to > . >Enter your email address and password. >Click on the highlighted list name and then click on index. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ You may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing listserv@... . In the body of your message write: subscribe OCD-L your name. The archives for the OCD and Parenting List may be accessed by going to . Enter your email address and password. Click on the highlighted list name and then click on index. --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 1999 Report Share Posted October 7, 1999 Hi . I just wanted to wish you luck at your meeting!! Hang in there. Hugs, in Seattle Re: Help! Thanks to everyone who responded to my question about Brett talking out in class. You all helped ease my mind. What a wonderful support group! I talked to Brett's family doctor who is very knowledgeable with ocd. He thinks it may be Tourettes that is causing his problems. He is scheduling him an appointment with a pediatric neurologist. The doctor gave me a note saying he should not be punished for the outbursts, so we will see how that goes. We also have a meeting with his teacher today. Wish me luck! I get so frustrated with people who do not understand this and accuse me of looking for excuses for his behavior. Not only am I working to help my child, but I am spending time defending him to people who don't have a clue! This list has been a tremendous source of information and support. Thank you all! in PA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 1999 Report Share Posted October 7, 1999 Hi , My daughter, , was diagnosed with Tics (she does a deep moan - since she was a toddler). Our dr. at Children's Hospital gave me a list of symptoms of Tourettes and they are exactly like OC symptoms. (She has OC too)....The med's she has been on and the added Depakote from our dr. at CHOP has decreased the moan. She also has to bite a little blanket called a bobbie. That we haven't stop. She has to hold it or bite it all the time. At school she carries in in her uniform pocket and rubs it. That's the least of my worries - so I let it go. But the moan - well - that can drive you crazy. You would be shocked at the symptoms of Tourettes being exactly like OC or maybe not. Take Care, in PA Re: Help! >From: <clmaynard147@...> > >Hi Everyone, >I need some advice and am hoping some of you may be >able to help. My son Brett is 10 and started in >middle school this year. Despite his ocd, he has >managed quite well. His teacher reports that he is >doing super academically and is very pleasant. The >problem is that he has been talking out in class. He >has been punished for this by having to lunch by >himself, staying inside etc. This has also been >noticed by his reading teacher. He continues to talk >during quiet times. > >This is not my son at all. He is so afraid of doing >something 'wrong' that he goes out of his way to be >sure he is being 'good'. He used to hit his sister >and then sit in the time out chair before I could even >say a word to him. > >I have ask him why he is talking and he says he just >has these thoughts and has to say them. He tries to >whisper them sometimes but they have to be said. > >My question (finally) is could this be another form of >his ocd? He has also been making a throat clearing >sound quite often over the last few months. I am not >looking for an excuse for his behavior and we have >discussed how the teacher was correct in punishing >him. Please let me know what your thoughts are on >this. It's a very delicate line to walk as you all >know!!! >Thanks, > in PA > >2884|1|ADFORCE;loc=300; " target=_top><img >src= " http://adforce.imgis.com/?adserv|2.0|2|94694|2884|1|ADFORCE;loc=300; " >border=0 width=468 height=60></a></center> ><!-- endONElist --> >> > > >===== > >>You may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing >listserv@... . >In the body of your message write: >subscribe OCD-L your name. >The archives for the OCD and >Parenting List may be accessed by going to > . >Enter your email address and password. >Click on the highlighted list name and then click on index. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 1999 Report Share Posted December 26, 1999 > From: EAKLOU@... > > I made a new recipe of soap and wrapped it up- of course I had to check on it > one hour later- it is like soap around the edges and a gel in the middle- I > have never had this happen but read something about it somewhere. Is it ok > what if anything should I do? Relax, relax... it's only the gel stage. And a good thing, in my opinion. The soap is just going through the process of saponification, heating up even more to complete the reaction (this is why you insulate!). It's perfectly normal. Congrats on getting a peek. It's actually very fun to watch. Branwen Ona-Stella Enterprises http://www.ona-stella.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2000 Report Share Posted February 15, 2000 Every time I try to open up the eGroups web site my screen turns blue and says a fatal error has occurred and then the screen goes black and I get booted offline. Does anyone have any idea why this is happening? (TaeBoMom22) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2000 Report Share Posted February 15, 2000 In a message dated 02/15/2000 9:53:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, JGeanANG@... writes: << Every time I try to open up the eGroups web site my screen turns blue and says a fatal error has occurred and then the screen goes black and I get booted offline. Does anyone have any idea why this is happening? (TaeBoMom22) >> , when stuff like this happens to me on aol, I do a cold boot shut off the puter and monitor for at least 30 seconds then reboot if it is still a problem after rebooting, maybe Sandy can help or a call to aol tech support may help. also make sure you have cleared your cache my aol, preferences, www, click *delete the files* under temporary internet files sometimes a file goes awry when loading and you have to get it out of your internet cache and memory cache so it doesn't keep repeating the error Barb who has aol 5.0 but didn't accept the MSIE 5.0 upgrade cuz it has a bad bug in it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2000 Report Share Posted February 15, 2000 My thoughts....(I am a computer geek LOL) If you are going to a web site and then you are getting the blue screen of death (That's what I call it) then it most likely is something with the browser you are using. Probably something in your Windows registry (but don't go looking around in there!) If it keeps happening try reinstalling the browser you are using. Which browser are you uing? We use IE 5.0 but won't upgrade to 5.1 cause it does have bugs in it. If you get the blue screen at other times , like when you are just using the computer and your not online or anything let me know and I can tell you what the problem coudl be for that too. Oha nd if anyone has any other computer questions, let me know...I am always willing to help! Re: HELP! > Every time I try to open up the eGroups web site my screen turns blue and > says a fatal error has occurred and then the screen goes black and I get > booted offline. Does anyone have any idea why this is happening? > (TaeBoMom22) > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > " We are all athletes in training for life rather than overweight folks trying to drop some pounds temporarily cuz Haste doe not make a Waist " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2000 Report Share Posted February 15, 2000 << Every time I try to open up the eGroups web site my screen turns blue and says a fatal error has occurred and then the screen goes black and I get booted offline. Does anyone have any idea why this is happening? (TaeBoMom22) >>,when stuff like this happens to me on aol, I do a cold bootshut off the puter and monitor for at least 30 seconds then reboot There is an explanation for this. It has to do with the DSS and other super fast online hookups. The more popular websites get overloaded and people get kicked off. It's a little more complicated than that, but it is probably not your computer, unless you also have fatal error problems with your computer when not online. Luci Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2000 Report Share Posted July 18, 2000 Geez Gail, I can certainly relate to the last mouthful dribbling out thing. Sam and are 3 1/2 and STILL do this! It doesn't matter if they are drinking from a straw, sippy cup, or whatever. I'll be interested in seeing if anybody out there has any helpful hints!! Judi-Mom to Sam & , 3 1/2, Identical Twins --- GVanHouten <rjvh@...> wrote: > Calling all Moms and Mums! My twins are turning 16 > months, Tara is > spitting up ALMOST after every meal. Always after > breakfast while she > and are in the fam rm playing she needs to > always have a bib on > because of it, you'll find a stain of it on the > rug. After lunch it's > not soo bad, but last night after dinner and after > her bath while > playing on the floor, she did it again soiling her > pj's and needing to > get dressed again. > Could it be the vitamins repeating on her OR her low > muscle tone that > she reflux easy?? Any advice or experience with this > would be greatly > appreciated! > PS I just cut out the last bottle also, they are > both drinking from the > PLaytex cup with straws, of course is having no > problems, Tara is > doing OK and can drink from the straw and swallow, > but the last suck > she takes she lets it run out her mouth down her > chin.......any > thoughts on this, is this just a matter of practice? > Our speech person > thinks it might be with some oral exercises{which I > have not done in a > while}and a gentle finger on the chin with a > " swallow " command hope she > gets better at this since this is how she gets > hydration now. > > Gail,,,,..........Bobby 6 1/2, Jillian 3 1/2, > and Tara{Ds} > 15+months > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2000 Report Share Posted July 18, 2000 Hi Gail and Judi....Kelli here, has the same problem with drooling his liquids, mess everywhere from time to time! And he'll be 5 in oct. .... Have a Wonderful Dream ~Fun Quick Sigs~ Kelli..mom to ,Greg,April,Ash, (ds) Tyler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2000 Report Share Posted July 19, 2000 Maggie sometimes drools, sometimes not. I think I am noticing that if the juice or water or milk is really cold...she drools it out. If I let it get to room temp. she does better. Perhaps it is the sensation of cold? Maybe this will help. Quinn-4, Sara and Maggie-20 months, and ONE due in November Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2000 Report Share Posted July 19, 2000 hectichouse@... wrote: > > Hi Gail and Judi....Kelli here, has the same problem with > drooling his liquids, mess everywhere from time to time! And he'll be 5 > in oct. .... > OH BOY!!!!!!!! Guess I better get used to this??? Gail >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Visit www.ibelieve.com today and get a FREE book by Chuck Swindoll! > 1/6182/2/_/598201/_/963973519/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > http://DSyndrome.com/Multiples > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > [image] > > [image] > > [image] > > [image] > > Have a Wonderful Dream > > ~Fun Quick Sigs~ > > Kelli..mom to ,Greg,April,Ash, (ds) & Tyler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2000 Report Share Posted July 19, 2000 SStauffer1968@... wrote: > > Maggie sometimes drools, sometimes not. I think I am noticing that if the > juice or water or milk is really cold...she drools it out. If I let it get > to room temp. she does better. Perhaps it is the sensation of cold? > > Maybe this will help. > > Quinn-4, Sara and Maggie-20 months, and ONE due in November > Hey, that's interesting! I'll try the warm/cold thing! But Tara luckly doesn't drool at all, it's just this drinking from the straw issue. Actually last month she was using the " sippy cup " and never drooled or spit milk back out at me, but I know she " should " use the straw so, hence, I'm trying to use the Playtex with the straw more and I don't use the " sippy cup " at all for the last week! I'm also very concerned about her fluid intake. It's not that great! She never finishes a cup of milk at a meal time, of course would drink milk all the time instead of eating if you let him. Wouldn't Tara have the natural tenedency to hydrate herself? I think she spits out more than she's taking in? Gail Bobby 6 1/2, Jillian 4, and Tara{Ds} 16 months > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and find your ancestors now. > Search over 600 million names and trace your family tree today. > Click here: > 1/7090/2/_/598201/_/964018739/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > http://DSyndrome.com/Multiples Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2000 Report Share Posted August 21, 2000 Sara I definitely suggest you go to a gym or professional to get your bodyfat tested. Now I'm not an advocate of the pre-pubescent, laissez-faire attitudes of most gymratremployees who take BFAnalysis but it's better than nothing. You need to make sure you are not losing muscle. Also get your scaled recalibrated or buy a new one to make sure. Bye the way...YOU LOOK AWESOME!!! I WANT TO USE YOUR FOTOS IN OUR BFL WEBSITE AT HTTP://WWW.EPALISADES.COM/POWER.HTM --- Sara Altmeyer <sasasup@...> wrote: > Hi y'all, > > I just wanted to say welcome to all of the > newcomers, the people coming back > and those starting the final challenge. I am a > second grade school teacher > and we started school two weeks ago. I have been > totally swamped and > exhausted - not much time for enjoying the Internet. > > I have kept up my workouts and my eating 100% since > school started (it keeps > me sane!) but I am losing weight. I've lost 4 > pounds in the past two - > three weeks and I don't need to. There is no one > reliable who is available > to have my bodyfat checked to see what's going on in > my body. I'm just > assuming that what's happening is not good and I > want to stop it! It's all > I can do to get my 6 meals in a day while teaching - > should I try for a 7th > or up the portions with my 6 meals? Is there more I > should tell you to help > you help me? Does that even make sense??? Thanks > for all of the > encouragement all of you give. > > Sara > > > ===== We have the ability to REINVENT ourselves everyday. Tomorrow, why not become someone stronger, more determined, more confident, more loving, more passionate about life and more successful? __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2000 Report Share Posted August 28, 2000 Lucille, as soon as I write this email, I'll add you to my prayer journal. I was told with my last pregnancy (at 35) that I had a 1:50 chance, developed pre-eclampsia at 33 weeks (but my protein went down, so they actually diagnosed it pregnancy induced hypertension) went home after 8 days in-patient on strict bed rest.....with a ds-asd child prior to finding his proper cocktail of pills and diet. I was blessed in that ladies from my church spent 4 hour shifts at my house to entertain (read, get locked in his room so I got to where the first thing I did was show them where the little tool was to unlock it - had to turn it around so he couldn't lock us out) and get my lunch. I pray that you have the same kind of church. Loriann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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