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Hi Everyone,

I need some advice and am hoping some of you may be

able to help. My son Brett is 10 and started in

middle school this year. Despite his ocd, he has

managed quite well. His teacher reports that he is

doing super academically and is very pleasant. The

problem is that he has been talking out in class. He

has been punished for this by having to lunch by

himself, staying inside etc. This has also been

noticed by his reading teacher. He continues to talk

during quiet times.

This is not my son at all. He is so afraid of doing

something 'wrong' that he goes out of his way to be

sure he is being 'good'. He used to hit his sister

and then sit in the time out chair before I could even

say a word to him.

I have ask him why he is talking and he says he just

has these thoughts and has to say them. He tries to

whisper them sometimes but they have to be said.

My question (finally) is could this be another form of

his ocd? He has also been making a throat clearing

sound quite often over the last few months. I am not

looking for an excuse for his behavior and we have

discussed how the teacher was correct in punishing

him. Please let me know what your thoughts are on

this. It's a very delicate line to walk as you all

know!!!

Thanks,

in PA

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HI :

Of course it is difficult to say without seeing and observing Brett but

this sounds like he is getting punished for OCD symptoms and that is unfair

and likely to make things worse.

From what Brett says OCD is behind this behavior. That means it is very

tough to control without CBT directed at the behavior. I would discuss

this problem asap with his CBT therapist and get started on turning the

situation around. IN the meantime perhaps they can assist you with

explaining to the school how this is OCD and it must be accommodated.

You are right this is a tough issue for the schools. Teachers do not like

to have different behavioral standards for some students, but that is what

accommodations of disabilities is all about. It is illegal to treat them

the same if they have a disability. YOu have the power of the law on your

side but hopefully reason, common sense and some compassion can carry the

day. You might want to include this specific accommodation in his 504 plan.

Good luck, take care, aloha, Kathy (H)

kathyh@...

At 02:55 PM 10/5/99 -0700, you wrote:

>From: <clmaynard147@...>

>

>Hi Everyone,

>I need some advice and am hoping some of you may be

>able to help. My son Brett is 10 and started in

>middle school this year. Despite his ocd, he has

>managed quite well. His teacher reports that he is

>doing super academically and is very pleasant. The

>problem is that he has been talking out in class. He

>has been punished for this by having to lunch by

>himself, staying inside etc. This has also been

>noticed by his reading teacher. He continues to talk

>during quiet times.

>

>This is not my son at all. He is so afraid of doing

>something 'wrong' that he goes out of his way to be

>sure he is being 'good'. He used to hit his sister

>and then sit in the time out chair before I could even

>say a word to him.

>

>I have ask him why he is talking and he says he just

>has these thoughts and has to say them. He tries to

>whisper them sometimes but they have to be said.

>

>My question (finally) is could this be another form of

>his ocd? He has also been making a throat clearing

>sound quite often over the last few months. I am not

>looking for an excuse for his behavior and we have

>discussed how the teacher was correct in punishing

>him. Please let me know what your thoughts are on

>this. It's a very delicate line to walk as you all

>know!!!

>Thanks,

> in PA

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My son does this. He also has very rapid eye blinking. They told me it is

Tics. When they put him on his first med it made them very very bad.

Toni

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> From: <clmaynard147@...>

>

> Hi Everyone,

> I need some advice and am hoping some of you may be

> able to help. My son Brett is 10 and started in

> middle school this year. Despite his ocd, he has

> managed quite well. His teacher reports that he is

> doing super academically and is very pleasant. The

> problem is that he has been talking out in class. He

> has been punished for this by having to lunch by

> himself, staying inside etc. This has also been

> noticed by his reading teacher. He continues to talk

> during quiet times.

>

> This is not my son at all. He is so afraid of doing

> something 'wrong' that he goes out of his way to be

> sure he is being 'good'. He used to hit his sister

> and then sit in the time out chair before I could even

> say a word to him.

>

> I have ask him why he is talking and he says he just

> has these thoughts and has to say them. He tries to

> whisper them sometimes but they have to be said.

>

> My question (finally) is could this be another form of

> his ocd? He has also been making a throat clearing

> sound quite often over the last few months. I am not

> looking for an excuse for his behavior and we have

> discussed how the teacher was correct in punishing

> him. Please let me know what your thoughts are on

> this. It's a very delicate line to walk as you all

> know!!!

> Thanks,

> in PA

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Dear Beth,

Thanks for the words of encouragement.

Molly came home today and I asked the usual question, how was school. She

said it was great except for Mrs. D's class. I asked her what happened.

The kids sit about 4-5 to a table. The boys at Molly's table were calling

her an idiot. She got frustrated and yelled shut up.

Mrs. D. read her the riot act. Molly told her what the boys were saying

and Mrs. D. said that since she didn't hear it she couldn't address it.

Well I am going to school tomorrow. What kind of answer was that.

Does she think Molly yelled shut up for no reason out of the blue.

Molly was so upset she was lethargic and crying. She talked about it to her

tutorial guide.

So tonight we had major!!!! contamination issues. The bread wasn't okay,

the blanket was dirty, she couldn't get under my covers, etc.

It is amazing what one human being can do to an innocent kiddo.

Patti

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> >

> >

> > >From: " Kathy " <klr@...>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >> From: <clmaynard147@...>

> > >> The

> > >> problem is that he has been talking out in class. He

> > >> has been punished for this by having to lunch by

> > >> himself, staying inside etc. This has also been

> > >> noticed by his reading teacher. He continues to talk

> > >> during quiet times.

> > >>

> > >> This is not my son at all. He is so afraid of doing

> > >> something 'wrong' that he goes out of his way to be

> > >> sure he is being 'good'. He used to hit his sister

> > >> and then sit in the time out chair before I could even

> > >> say a word to him.

> > >>

> > >> I have ask him why he is talking and he says he just

> > >> has these thoughts and has to say them. He tries to

> > >> whisper them sometimes but they have to be said.

> > >>

> > >> My question (finally) is could this be another form of

> > >> his ocd? He has also been making a throat clearing

> > >> sound quite often over the last few months.

> > >

> > >Hi , I had to respond to this. Your son's new behavior is

familiar

> to

> > >me, it's the primary symptom my daughter (5) has. She is compelled by

> ocd

> > >to go against rules in general. When she's having a hard time with

ocd,

> if

> > >she's somewhere where the rule is no talking, she has to talk. If the

> > >teacher says " don't do (whatever) " she will do exactly what the teacher

> > just

> > >instructed the class not to do in a knee-jerk fashion. The effect is

of

> a

> > >child " just asking " to be consequenced, which is exactly what ocd is

> > pushing

> > >for. She gets some relief from the anxiety by being put into time out,

> > >yelled at, losing privileges, etc. My daughter also has had throat

> > clearing

> > >and other vocal tics on and off, currently she has a muscle-tensing

tic.

> > >I've wondered about Tourette's with her but her doctor calls it ocd.

She

> > >does too, she says she *has* to do the bad thing " or else " ocd bad

> feelings

> > >will get much worse. When she is somewhere where she particularly

wishes

> > to

> > >impress, this compulsion comes on strong. It makes sense given ocd's

> > >ego-dystonic nature.

> > >

> > >It's interesting to me that, like your son, before what I've been

> > >considering Kel's ocd onset, she too was a very good, very obedient

child

> > >who *never* misbehaved. This bothered me enough that I changed my mind

> and

> > >sent her to preschool at age 3. I thought this behavior was due to her

> > >being an only child and spending so much time around adults, but now I

> > >wonder if this was ocd too.

> > >

> > >In my experience this behavior shouldn't be consequenced, since it only

> > >strengthens the compulsion to act out and basically doesn't work. At

> home

> > I

> > >ignore or respond in a paradoxical way to these attempts to get herself

> in

> > >trouble, but I imagine this approach would be difficult in the

classroom.

> > >We've been lucky so far in that Kel is distracted enough at school that

> > this

> > >compulsion hasn't become out of hand there--yet. According to her

> teacher

> > >she is consequenced for misbehavior once or twice a week--a rate the

> > teacher

> > >says is on par with the other children and acceptable to her.

> > >

> > >Sorry this is so long. This type of compulsion is very upsetting to

both

> > >the young ocder and those around him or her. Please let me know how

you

> > end

> > >up handling this one.

> > >

> > >Kathy R. in Indiana

> > >

> > >>You may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing

> > >listserv@... .

> > >In the body of your message write:

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> > > .

> > >Enter your email address and password.

> > >Click on the highlighted list name and then click on index.

> > >

> >

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> From: <clmaynard147@...>

> The

> problem is that he has been talking out in class. He

> has been punished for this by having to lunch by

> himself, staying inside etc. This has also been

> noticed by his reading teacher. He continues to talk

> during quiet times.

>

> This is not my son at all. He is so afraid of doing

> something 'wrong' that he goes out of his way to be

> sure he is being 'good'. He used to hit his sister

> and then sit in the time out chair before I could even

> say a word to him.

>

> I have ask him why he is talking and he says he just

> has these thoughts and has to say them. He tries to

> whisper them sometimes but they have to be said.

>

> My question (finally) is could this be another form of

> his ocd? He has also been making a throat clearing

> sound quite often over the last few months.

Hi , I had to respond to this. Your son's new behavior is familiar to

me, it's the primary symptom my daughter (5) has. She is compelled by ocd

to go against rules in general. When she's having a hard time with ocd, if

she's somewhere where the rule is no talking, she has to talk. If the

teacher says " don't do (whatever) " she will do exactly what the teacher just

instructed the class not to do in a knee-jerk fashion. The effect is of a

child " just asking " to be consequenced, which is exactly what ocd is pushing

for. She gets some relief from the anxiety by being put into time out,

yelled at, losing privileges, etc. My daughter also has had throat clearing

and other vocal tics on and off, currently she has a muscle-tensing tic.

I've wondered about Tourette's with her but her doctor calls it ocd. She

does too, she says she *has* to do the bad thing " or else " ocd bad feelings

will get much worse. When she is somewhere where she particularly wishes to

impress, this compulsion comes on strong. It makes sense given ocd's

ego-dystonic nature.

It's interesting to me that, like your son, before what I've been

considering Kel's ocd onset, she too was a very good, very obedient child

who *never* misbehaved. This bothered me enough that I changed my mind and

sent her to preschool at age 3. I thought this behavior was due to her

being an only child and spending so much time around adults, but now I

wonder if this was ocd too.

In my experience this behavior shouldn't be consequenced, since it only

strengthens the compulsion to act out and basically doesn't work. At home I

ignore or respond in a paradoxical way to these attempts to get herself in

trouble, but I imagine this approach would be difficult in the classroom.

We've been lucky so far in that Kel is distracted enough at school that this

compulsion hasn't become out of hand there--yet. According to her teacher

she is consequenced for misbehavior once or twice a week--a rate the teacher

says is on par with the other children and acceptable to her.

Sorry this is so long. This type of compulsion is very upsetting to both

the young ocder and those around him or her. Please let me know how you end

up handling this one.

Kathy R. in Indiana

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The posts about the schools are so on target.

Molly has an " interim " 504 plan in place until her evaluation is complete.

No matter how supportive the school system is there is always that " one "

teacher. The comment from Kathy R. about our kids looking like brats with

an incompetent mom really hit home.

Molly really cannot handle being disciplined in any way in front of the

class. True most kids can't. But Molly beleives that all the kids know she

is not " normal " and also that a teacher who disciplines her publically

doesnt like her.

At our initial 504 Plan meeting the school was wonderful. The social worker

was there, along with all the teachers, guidance counsellor and the Oasis

leader. (Oasis is a school tutorial which offers a safe place for kids on a

regular basis) My husband and I had written a history of Molly sharing

some of her experiences, how OCD presented itself and what the worries and

anxieties and compulsions do. One teacher said he felt everyone should read

it once in awhile to remind themselves how hard it must be for Molly. We

were thrilled by their willingness, the questions they asked, etc. They

even made a date for all of us to get together and watch the " Touching Tree "

plus they all read the Criticial Link Handbook.

HOWEVER, there was one teacher I just got bad vibes from. Moms intuition,

call it what you may. She asked a question about how can you deal with one

child differently then the rest. And just the way she asked it set off my

alarm bells.

At the movie she was somewhat distant and unmoved.

Last night Molly told me that Mrs. D yelled at her to stay after class. The

504 plan clearly states there is to be some kind of cue for Molly to stay

when the teacher needs to talk to her.

Last night was open house and this teacher was just plain b--chy. Molly had

gotten 100!!!!! on her book project and the teacher showed no enthusiasm.

So after Molly told me about the incident in class I called guidance. The

guidance counsellor said she would look into it and get back to me. I told

her I felt this teacher had a problem with treating a child differently,

that I felt as did Molly the teacher didnt like her. I got no agrumnent

from guidance.

SO....................how far should I go. Do I push and possbily alienate

the rest of the staff who are working so hard.

I guess I also struggle with how dense and unforgiving someone who has

chosen to teach kids can be. How could you possibly read all that

literature, see that movie and not realize that in fact MOLLY IS DIFFERENT.

What will happen if this teacher gets to rough is that Molly will spend that

class in the bathroom. And no one will get her out.

So advise me please, do I push for this teacher to follow the plan to the

letter or do I try to get Molly to understand that she needs to not plug

into the teacher.

Patti

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>From: " Kathy " <klr@...>

>

>

>

>> From: <clmaynard147@...>

>> The

>> problem is that he has been talking out in class. He

>> has been punished for this by having to lunch by

>> himself, staying inside etc. This has also been

>> noticed by his reading teacher. He continues to talk

>> during quiet times.

>>

>> This is not my son at all. He is so afraid of doing

>> something 'wrong' that he goes out of his way to be

>> sure he is being 'good'. He used to hit his sister

>> and then sit in the time out chair before I could even

>> say a word to him.

>>

>> I have ask him why he is talking and he says he just

>> has these thoughts and has to say them. He tries to

>> whisper them sometimes but they have to be said.

>>

>> My question (finally) is could this be another form of

>> his ocd? He has also been making a throat clearing

>> sound quite often over the last few months.

>

>Hi , I had to respond to this. Your son's new behavior is familiar to

>me, it's the primary symptom my daughter (5) has. She is compelled by ocd

>to go against rules in general. When she's having a hard time with ocd, if

>she's somewhere where the rule is no talking, she has to talk. If the

>teacher says " don't do (whatever) " she will do exactly what the teacher

just

>instructed the class not to do in a knee-jerk fashion. The effect is of a

>child " just asking " to be consequenced, which is exactly what ocd is

pushing

>for. She gets some relief from the anxiety by being put into time out,

>yelled at, losing privileges, etc. My daughter also has had throat

clearing

>and other vocal tics on and off, currently she has a muscle-tensing tic.

>I've wondered about Tourette's with her but her doctor calls it ocd. She

>does too, she says she *has* to do the bad thing " or else " ocd bad feelings

>will get much worse. When she is somewhere where she particularly wishes

to

>impress, this compulsion comes on strong. It makes sense given ocd's

>ego-dystonic nature.

>

>It's interesting to me that, like your son, before what I've been

>considering Kel's ocd onset, she too was a very good, very obedient child

>who *never* misbehaved. This bothered me enough that I changed my mind and

>sent her to preschool at age 3. I thought this behavior was due to her

>being an only child and spending so much time around adults, but now I

>wonder if this was ocd too.

>

>In my experience this behavior shouldn't be consequenced, since it only

>strengthens the compulsion to act out and basically doesn't work. At home

I

>ignore or respond in a paradoxical way to these attempts to get herself in

>trouble, but I imagine this approach would be difficult in the classroom.

>We've been lucky so far in that Kel is distracted enough at school that

this

>compulsion hasn't become out of hand there--yet. According to her teacher

>she is consequenced for misbehavior once or twice a week--a rate the

teacher

>says is on par with the other children and acceptable to her.

>

>Sorry this is so long. This type of compulsion is very upsetting to both

>the young ocder and those around him or her. Please let me know how you

end

>up handling this one.

>

>Kathy R. in Indiana

>

>>You may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing

>listserv@... .

>In the body of your message write:

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I went to my sons school today and asked about a 504 plan. I talked to the

principle and he acted like I was just some over worried mother. He stated

that they really didn't like to do 504 plans because there was so much paper

work involved. I told him the problems my son is having and the way I think

they should be handled and what I thought of his teacher. He told me he

would go over some things through the next week and get back to me. How long

should I wait until I go back over and demand that this gets taken care of??

Thanks for your advice.

Toni

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Probably the best time to do a 504 Plan was last year, last week, or

yesterday.

The next best time is today. A good place to start is to ask the school to

perform the diagnostic testing to see where your son fits in. If they

receive money from the Federal Government, htey are required to assist.

Many of the members of this list have been doing research on 504 Plans for

themselves, so I would bet you already have a wonderful resource by being

here.

Jim

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Patti, Even teachers need to be taught sometimes.This teacher needs to know

that she is not above the rules, who does she think she is!!! Beth in IN.

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>

> >From: " Kathy " <klr@...>

> >

> >

> >

> >> From: <clmaynard147@...>

> >> The

> >> problem is that he has been talking out in class. He

> >> has been punished for this by having to lunch by

> >> himself, staying inside etc. This has also been

> >> noticed by his reading teacher. He continues to talk

> >> during quiet times.

> >>

> >> This is not my son at all. He is so afraid of doing

> >> something 'wrong' that he goes out of his way to be

> >> sure he is being 'good'. He used to hit his sister

> >> and then sit in the time out chair before I could even

> >> say a word to him.

> >>

> >> I have ask him why he is talking and he says he just

> >> has these thoughts and has to say them. He tries to

> >> whisper them sometimes but they have to be said.

> >>

> >> My question (finally) is could this be another form of

> >> his ocd? He has also been making a throat clearing

> >> sound quite often over the last few months.

> >

> >Hi , I had to respond to this. Your son's new behavior is familiar

to

> >me, it's the primary symptom my daughter (5) has. She is compelled by

ocd

> >to go against rules in general. When she's having a hard time with ocd,

if

> >she's somewhere where the rule is no talking, she has to talk. If the

> >teacher says " don't do (whatever) " she will do exactly what the teacher

> just

> >instructed the class not to do in a knee-jerk fashion. The effect is of

a

> >child " just asking " to be consequenced, which is exactly what ocd is

> pushing

> >for. She gets some relief from the anxiety by being put into time out,

> >yelled at, losing privileges, etc. My daughter also has had throat

> clearing

> >and other vocal tics on and off, currently she has a muscle-tensing tic.

> >I've wondered about Tourette's with her but her doctor calls it ocd. She

> >does too, she says she *has* to do the bad thing " or else " ocd bad

feelings

> >will get much worse. When she is somewhere where she particularly wishes

> to

> >impress, this compulsion comes on strong. It makes sense given ocd's

> >ego-dystonic nature.

> >

> >It's interesting to me that, like your son, before what I've been

> >considering Kel's ocd onset, she too was a very good, very obedient child

> >who *never* misbehaved. This bothered me enough that I changed my mind

and

> >sent her to preschool at age 3. I thought this behavior was due to her

> >being an only child and spending so much time around adults, but now I

> >wonder if this was ocd too.

> >

> >In my experience this behavior shouldn't be consequenced, since it only

> >strengthens the compulsion to act out and basically doesn't work. At

home

> I

> >ignore or respond in a paradoxical way to these attempts to get herself

in

> >trouble, but I imagine this approach would be difficult in the classroom.

> >We've been lucky so far in that Kel is distracted enough at school that

> this

> >compulsion hasn't become out of hand there--yet. According to her

teacher

> >she is consequenced for misbehavior once or twice a week--a rate the

> teacher

> >says is on par with the other children and acceptable to her.

> >

> >Sorry this is so long. This type of compulsion is very upsetting to both

> >the young ocder and those around him or her. Please let me know how you

> end

> >up handling this one.

> >

> >Kathy R. in Indiana

> >

> >>You may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing

> >listserv@... .

> >In the body of your message write:

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> >The archives for the OCD and

> >Parenting List may be accessed by going to

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> >Click on the highlighted list name and then click on index.

> >

>

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Thanks to everyone who responded to my question about Brett talking out in

class. You all helped ease my mind. What a wonderful support group!

I talked to Brett's family doctor who is very knowledgeable with ocd. He thinks

it may be Tourettes that is causing his problems. He is scheduling him an

appointment with a pediatric neurologist. The doctor gave me a note saying he

should not be punished for the outbursts, so we will see how that goes. We also

have a meeting with his teacher today. Wish me luck!

I get so frustrated with people who do not understand this and accuse me of

looking for excuses for his behavior. Not only am I working to help my child,

but I am spending time defending him to people who don't have a clue! This list

has been a tremendous source of information and support. Thank you all!

in PA

Kathy Hammes <kathyh@...> wrote:

HI :

Of course it is difficult to say without seeing and observing Brett but

this sounds like he is getting punished for OCD symptoms and that is unfair

and likely to make things worse.

From what Brett says OCD is behind this behavior. That means it is very

tough to control without CBT directed at the behavior. I would discuss

this problem asap with his CBT therapist and get started on turning the

situation around. IN the meantime perhaps they can assist you with

explaining to the school how this is OCD and it must be accommodated.

You are right this is a tough issue for the schools. Teachers do not like

to have different behavioral standards for some students, but that is what

accommodations of disabilities is all about. It is illegal to treat them

the same if they have a disability. YOu have the power of the law on your

side but hopefully reason, common sense and some compassion can carry the

day. You might want to include this specific accommodation in his 504 plan.

Good luck, take care, aloha, Kathy (H)

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>Hi Everyone,

>I need some advice and am hoping some of you may be

>able to help. My son Brett is 10 and started in

>middle school this year. Despite his ocd, he has

>managed quite well. His teacher reports that he is

>doing super academically and is very pleasant. The

>problem is that he has been talking out in class. He

>has been punished for this by having to lunch by

>himself, staying inside etc. This has also been

>noticed by his reading teacher. He continues to talk

>during quiet times.

>

>This is not my son at all. He is so afraid of doing

>something 'wrong' that he goes out of his way to be

>sure he is being 'good'. He used to hit his sister

>and then sit in the time out chair before I could even

>say a word to him.

>

>I have ask him why he is talking and he says he just

>has these thoughts and has to say them. He tries to

>whisper them sometimes but they have to be said.

>

>My question (finally) is could this be another form of

>his ocd? He has also been making a throat clearing

>sound quite often over the last few months. I am not

>looking for an excuse for his behavior and we have

>discussed how the teacher was correct in punishing

>him. Please let me know what your thoughts are on

>this. It's a very delicate line to walk as you all

>know!!!

>Thanks,

> in PA

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Hi . I just wanted to wish you luck at your meeting!!

Hang in there.

Hugs,

in Seattle

Re: Help!

Thanks to everyone who responded to my question about Brett talking out in

class. You all helped ease my mind. What a wonderful support group!

I talked to Brett's family doctor who is very knowledgeable with ocd. He

thinks it may be Tourettes that is causing his problems. He is scheduling him

an appointment with a pediatric neurologist. The doctor gave me a note saying

he should not be punished for the outbursts, so we will see how that goes. We

also have a meeting with his teacher today. Wish me luck!

I get so frustrated with people who do not understand this and accuse me of

looking for excuses for his behavior. Not only am I working to help my child,

but I am spending time defending him to people who don't have a clue! This list

has been a tremendous source of information and support. Thank you all!

in PA

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Hi ,

My daughter, , was diagnosed with Tics (she does a deep moan - since

she was a toddler). Our dr. at Children's Hospital gave me a list of

symptoms of Tourettes and they are exactly like OC symptoms. (She has OC

too)....The med's she has been on and the added Depakote from our dr. at

CHOP has decreased the moan. She also has to bite a little blanket called a

bobbie. That we haven't stop. She has to hold it or bite it all the time.

At school she carries in in her uniform pocket and rubs it. That's the

least of my worries - so I let it go. But the moan - well - that can drive

you crazy. You would be shocked at the symptoms of Tourettes being exactly

like OC or maybe not.

Take Care,

in PA

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>From: <clmaynard147@...>

>

>Hi Everyone,

>I need some advice and am hoping some of you may be

>able to help. My son Brett is 10 and started in

>middle school this year. Despite his ocd, he has

>managed quite well. His teacher reports that he is

>doing super academically and is very pleasant. The

>problem is that he has been talking out in class. He

>has been punished for this by having to lunch by

>himself, staying inside etc. This has also been

>noticed by his reading teacher. He continues to talk

>during quiet times.

>

>This is not my son at all. He is so afraid of doing

>something 'wrong' that he goes out of his way to be

>sure he is being 'good'. He used to hit his sister

>and then sit in the time out chair before I could even

>say a word to him.

>

>I have ask him why he is talking and he says he just

>has these thoughts and has to say them. He tries to

>whisper them sometimes but they have to be said.

>

>My question (finally) is could this be another form of

>his ocd? He has also been making a throat clearing

>sound quite often over the last few months. I am not

>looking for an excuse for his behavior and we have

>discussed how the teacher was correct in punishing

>him. Please let me know what your thoughts are on

>this. It's a very delicate line to walk as you all

>know!!!

>Thanks,

> in PA

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> From: EAKLOU@...

>

> I made a new recipe of soap and wrapped it up- of course I had to check on

it

> one hour later- it is like soap around the edges and a gel in the middle-

I

> have never had this happen but read something about it somewhere. Is it

ok

> what if anything should I do?

Relax, relax... it's only the gel stage. And a good thing, in my opinion. :)

The soap is just going through the process of saponification, heating up

even more to complete the reaction (this is why you insulate!). It's

perfectly normal.

Congrats on getting a peek. It's actually very fun to watch.

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Every time I try to open up the eGroups web site my screen turns blue and

says a fatal error has occurred and then the screen goes black and I get

booted offline. Does anyone have any idea why this is happening?

(TaeBoMom22)

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In a message dated 02/15/2000 9:53:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,

JGeanANG@... writes:

<< Every time I try to open up the eGroups web site my screen turns blue and

says a fatal error has occurred and then the screen goes black and I get

booted offline. Does anyone have any idea why this is happening?

(TaeBoMom22)

>>

,

when stuff like this happens to me on aol, I do a cold boot

shut off the puter and monitor for at least 30 seconds then reboot

if it is still a problem after rebooting, maybe Sandy can help or a call to

aol tech support may help.

also make sure you have cleared your cache

my aol, preferences, www, click *delete the files* under temporary internet

files

sometimes a file goes awry when loading and you have to get it out of your

internet cache and memory cache so it doesn't keep repeating the error

Barb

who has aol 5.0 but didn't accept the MSIE 5.0 upgrade cuz it has a bad bug

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My thoughts....(I am a computer geek LOL) If you are going to a web site

and then you are getting the blue screen of death (That's what I call it)

then it most likely is something with the browser you are using. Probably

something in your Windows registry (but don't go looking around in there!)

If it keeps happening try reinstalling the browser you are using. Which

browser are you uing? We use IE 5.0 but won't upgrade to 5.1 cause it does

have bugs in it. If you get the blue screen at other times , like when you

are just using the computer and your not online or anything let me know and

I can tell you what the problem coudl be for that too. Oha nd if anyone has

any other computer questions, let me know...I am always willing to help!

Re: HELP!

> Every time I try to open up the eGroups web site my screen turns blue and

> says a fatal error has occurred and then the screen goes black and I get

> booted offline. Does anyone have any idea why this is happening?

> (TaeBoMom22)

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<< Every time I try to open up the eGroups web site my screen turns blue and says a fatal error has occurred and then the screen goes black and I get booted offline. Does anyone have any idea why this is happening? (TaeBoMom22) >>,when stuff like this happens to me on aol, I do a cold bootshut off the puter and monitor for at least 30 seconds then reboot

There is an explanation for this. It has to do with the DSS and other super fast online hookups. The more popular websites get overloaded and people get kicked off. It's a little more complicated than that, but it is probably not your computer, unless you also have fatal error problems with your computer when not online.

Luci

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Geez Gail, I can certainly relate to the last mouthful

dribbling out thing. Sam and are 3 1/2 and

STILL do this! It doesn't matter if they are drinking

from a straw, sippy cup, or whatever. I'll be

interested in seeing if anybody out there has any

helpful hints!!

Judi-Mom to Sam & , 3 1/2, Identical Twins

--- GVanHouten <rjvh@...> wrote:

> Calling all Moms and Mums! My twins are turning 16

> months, Tara is

> spitting up ALMOST after every meal. Always after

> breakfast while she

> and are in the fam rm playing she needs to

> always have a bib on

> because of it, you'll find a stain of it on the

> rug. After lunch it's

> not soo bad, but last night after dinner and after

> her bath while

> playing on the floor, she did it again soiling her

> pj's and needing to

> get dressed again.

> Could it be the vitamins repeating on her OR her low

> muscle tone that

> she reflux easy?? Any advice or experience with this

> would be greatly

> appreciated! :)

> PS I just cut out the last bottle also, they are

> both drinking from the

> PLaytex cup with straws, of course is having no

> problems, Tara is

> doing OK and can drink from the straw and swallow,

> but the last suck

> she takes she lets it run out her mouth down her

> chin.......any

> thoughts on this, is this just a matter of practice?

> Our speech person

> thinks it might be with some oral exercises{which I

> have not done in a

> while}and a gentle finger on the chin with a

> " swallow " command hope she

> gets better at this since this is how she gets

> hydration now.

>

> Gail,,,,..........Bobby 6 1/2, Jillian 3 1/2,

> and Tara{Ds}

> 15+months

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Hi Gail and Judi....Kelli here, has the same problem with

drooling his liquids, mess everywhere from time to time! And he'll be 5

in oct. ....

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Maggie sometimes drools, sometimes not. I think I am noticing that if the

juice or water or milk is really cold...she drools it out. If I let it get

to room temp. she does better. Perhaps it is the sensation of cold?

Maybe this will help.

Quinn-4, Sara and Maggie-20 months, and ONE due in November

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> Hi Gail and Judi....Kelli here, has the same problem with

> drooling his liquids, mess everywhere from time to time! And he'll be 5

> in oct. ....

>

OH BOY!!!!!!!! Guess I better get used to this???

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> Maggie sometimes drools, sometimes not. I think I am noticing that if the

> juice or water or milk is really cold...she drools it out. If I let it get

> to room temp. she does better. Perhaps it is the sensation of cold?

>

> Maybe this will help.

>

> Quinn-4, Sara and Maggie-20 months, and ONE due in November

>

Hey, that's interesting! I'll try the warm/cold thing! But Tara

luckly doesn't drool at all, it's just this drinking from the straw

issue. Actually last month she was using the " sippy cup " and never

drooled or spit milk back out at me, but I know she " should " use the

straw so, hence, I'm trying to use the Playtex with the straw more and I

don't use the " sippy cup " at all for the last week!

I'm also very concerned about her fluid intake. It's not that great!

She never finishes a cup of milk at a meal time, of course would

drink milk all the time instead of eating if you let him.

Wouldn't Tara have the natural tenedency to hydrate herself? I think she

spits out more than she's taking in?

Gail

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Sara I definitely suggest you go to a gym or

professional to get your bodyfat tested. Now I'm not

an advocate of the pre-pubescent, laissez-faire

attitudes of most gymratremployees who take BFAnalysis

but it's better than nothing. You need to make sure

you are not losing muscle. Also get your scaled

recalibrated or buy a new one to make sure.

Bye the way...YOU LOOK AWESOME!!! I WANT TO USE YOUR

FOTOS IN OUR BFL WEBSITE AT

HTTP://WWW.EPALISADES.COM/POWER.HTM

--- Sara Altmeyer <sasasup@...> wrote:

> Hi y'all,

>

> I just wanted to say welcome to all of the

> newcomers, the people coming back

> and those starting the final challenge. I am a

> second grade school teacher

> and we started school two weeks ago. I have been

> totally swamped and

> exhausted - not much time for enjoying the Internet.

>

> I have kept up my workouts and my eating 100% since

> school started (it keeps

> me sane!) but I am losing weight. I've lost 4

> pounds in the past two -

> three weeks and I don't need to. There is no one

> reliable who is available

> to have my bodyfat checked to see what's going on in

> my body. I'm just

> assuming that what's happening is not good and I

> want to stop it! It's all

> I can do to get my 6 meals in a day while teaching -

> should I try for a 7th

> or up the portions with my 6 meals? Is there more I

> should tell you to help

> you help me? Does that even make sense??? Thanks

> for all of the

> encouragement all of you give.

>

> Sara

>

>

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Lucille, as soon as I write this email, I'll add you to my prayer journal.

I was told with my last pregnancy (at 35) that I had a 1:50 chance, developed

pre-eclampsia at 33 weeks (but my protein went down, so they actually diagnosed

it pregnancy induced hypertension) went home after 8 days in-patient on strict

bed rest.....with a ds-asd child prior to finding his proper cocktail of pills

and diet. I was blessed in that ladies from my church spent 4 hour shifts at my

house to entertain (read, get locked in his room so I got to where the

first thing I did was show them where the little tool was to unlock it - had to

turn it around so he couldn't lock us out) and get my lunch. I pray that you

have the same kind of church.

Loriann

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