help!

[Guest guest]

Good one ! Great idea. I think I'll try that with an " unauthorized

foods " jar! LOL

Kathy

_____

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of

Beps9601@...

Sent: Wednesday, 04 May, 2005 9:04 PM

Subject: Re: Help!

get a jar and everytime you want to buy a pack, put as much money as you'd

spend on a pack (i have no idea how much they cost) inside the jar. at the

end of the month take the money out and go buy yourself some cute workout

gear!! you can do it!

*~sarah

[Guest guest]

I see some entertaining search terms when I'm looking through my web

site data. I think " fat batman " has to be one of the funniest though!

:-) I'm happy to hear that it inspired you to do BFL.

I don't know what to tell you about smoking that you haven't already

heard. You know it will kill you. It will also age your skin at a

crazy rate. You can always spot a woman who smokes by the crow's feet

and the fine lines all around her mouth. The more years she does it,

the deeper the lines get. Even if you only smoke for a few years in

your teens and twenties, it will be evident on your face later. You'll

have that whole " lipstick bleeding into your mouth wrinkles "

phenomenon to look forward to. If you need one more compelling reason

to quit, just tell yourself that you don't want your face to end up

looking like a road map through a mountain range.

On 5/4/05, fuzzyelfone <fuzzyelf@...> wrote:

> Ok, Ladies, I was hoping not to have to tell you this....

> Here's the story of how I started BFL....I needed to quit smoking, and

> I had tried everything. One day, for some unknown and weird reason, my

> ex did a google search for " fat Batman " - what he found was Skwigg's

> website. He sent it to me thinking it would be inspiration for

> quitting the smoking, not necessarily getting in shape. I found it to

> be pretty funny, but didn't think much about the practical

> applications until I found I kept going back to read more. Well, one

> thing led to another and now I am almost done with week 4 of the BFL

> challenge (Yeah!) One of the goals that I set for myself was to quit

> smoking by the time it was done - I haven't. Despite the fact that

> I've lost alot o weight and feel pretty d@#n good, and am a healthcare

> worker and know better, something still hasn't clicked and made me

> truly want to give it up, so I am asking for you gals to give me some

> advice or plain ole' chew me out properly. And thanks, fat Batman

[Guest guest]

Hello! I have been there. Smoking was such a habit for me. Get in

the car, light up a smoke, go out for a break, light up a smoke.

Both my husband and I smoked. Then, his dad had a heartattack, his

siser collapsed with a weak heart, she is only 41, and you know

what?? It got me thinking..what am I doing? I have 2 young children

and a husband that I want to spend the rest of my life with. The

kicker was, when I went outside to play with my children, I could

only run after them for like, a minute, and I was out of breath and

exhausted, and I'm only 29! I'm 29, weighed 134 pounds, (down 10

pounds now)and I am out of breath and exhausted. This was 2 months

ago! That is when I began my complete change. I decided that I was

done. I had to put down the cigarettes, stop eating so badly, and

get in shape!! First, I changed my eating habits. Next, I made a

goal date of when those cigarettes were leaving my house. My husband

did it with me. We made that date, and on that date, we threw them

all out. On my breaks, I began taking walks instead. When I

desperately wanted a cigarette, I would exercise, and drink some

water...I would NOT eat to make up for that bad habit. Now, it has

only been 3 weeks, but I can honestly say that I absolutely never

ever again want to touch another cigarette. It takes complete

willpower, and you have to look ahead to your future. What lies

there if you keep smoking? Will you be around for a long time? What

things are going on in your body? Can you really be completely

healthy with a habit like smoking? Do you want to look and feel your

best? There is a thing on Oprah.com that you can take a look at

that shows you what your organs actually look like, healthy, and

unhealthy. Take a look at the lungs.

> Ok, Ladies, I was hoping not to have to tell you this....

> Here's the story of how I started BFL....I needed to quit smoking,

and

> I had tried everything. One day, for some unknown and weird

reason, my

> ex did a google search for " fat Batman " - what he found was

Skwigg's

> website. He sent it to me thinking it would be inspiration for

> quitting the smoking, not necessarily getting in shape. I found it

to

> be pretty funny, but didn't think much about the practical

> applications until I found I kept going back to read more. Well,

one

> thing led to another and now I am almost done with week 4 of the

BFL

> challenge (Yeah!) One of the goals that I set for myself was to

quit

> smoking by the time it was done - I haven't. Despite the fact that

> I've lost alot o weight and feel pretty d@#n good, and am a

healthcare

> worker and know better, something still hasn't clicked and made me

> truly want to give it up, so I am asking for you gals to give me

some

> advice or plain ole' chew me out properly. And thanks, fat

Batman

[Guest guest]

I see so many patients who will forever be confined to a ventilator. What do

they have in common? They all smoked. If you are in a car wreck or seriously

ill and require a ventilator to help assist you in breathing, it will be MUCH

more difficult for you to ever get off that ventilator if you are a smoker. I

see so many of my patients who should have only been on a ventilator for a few

weeks, but a month later, they are still ventilated because all attempts to get

them breathing completely on their own have failed. Plus, when you smoke, you

are depriving your entire system of the oxygen it needs to stay healthy. You

are constricting all those tiny capillaries that are so abundant through your

body. People focus on lung cancer when it comes to smoking, but there is so

much more. I can honestly say that our non-smokers get out of the ICU faster

than our smokers do.

My mom finally quit after years because she had to have oral surgery done. I'm

so glad that she has quit and hope that she will continue to be a nonsmoker for

the remainder of her life. I watched both grandmothers die from cancer, most

likely caused by their cigarette habit. That's not to say if you don't smoke,

you will remain cancer free. But the smoking just increases that risk....a lot.

Good for you on recognizing you need to quit and making the first step by asking

for help. There is so much out there today to help you quit. My mom STILL

wears a patch (and it's been since November that she had her last cigarette). I

think that's a psychological thing for her....when she gets the urge to have a

cig, she kind of reaches over to feel for her patch. Weird, but it works. Good

luck with your journey......as a daughter who watched her mother quit a daily

cocaine habit cold turkey, but couldn't manage to quit smoking, I realize it's

one of the HARDEST habits to break...and obviously more addicting than any of us

nonsmokers realize.

= )

fuzzyelfone <fuzzyelf@...> wrote:

Ok, Ladies, I was hoping not to have to tell you this....

Here's the story of how I started BFL....I needed to quit smoking, and

I had tried everything. One day, for some unknown and weird reason, my

ex did a google search for " fat Batman " - what he found was Skwigg's

website. He sent it to me thinking it would be inspiration for

quitting the smoking, not necessarily getting in shape. I found it to

be pretty funny, but didn't think much about the practical

applications until I found I kept going back to read more. Well, one

thing led to another and now I am almost done with week 4 of the BFL

challenge (Yeah!) One of the goals that I set for myself was to quit

smoking by the time it was done - I haven't. Despite the fact that

I've lost alot o weight and feel pretty d@#n good, and am a healthcare

worker and know better, something still hasn't clicked and made me

truly want to give it up, so I am asking for you gals to give me some

advice or plain ole' chew me out properly. And thanks, fat Batman

---------------------------------

[Guest guest]

- that's a good post. Compelling.

I thought of one other thing. On that Oprah show (or the After Show) about

making your body healthy, the doctors said that all of the unhealthy things

we do (or healthy ones we don't do - like getting enough nutrients, too much

saturated fat etc) can be virtually undone in about 3 years - except

smoking. So if we adopt the BFL lifestyle now, stick to it, do the right

things about vitamins, foods & all - we will get great results now as we've

all seen AND in 3 years it will be like we'd been doing it all our lives as

far as our bodies are concerned. That's the restorative healing power our

bodies have if we give them what they need. But with smoking, it takes five

years and the amount of " restoration " isn't quite back to normal but can be

close depending on how much damage was done. So the sooner a smoker quits,

the better chance he or she has to getting close to back to a " pre-smoker "

health.

_____

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of

Sent: Thursday, 05 May, 2005 12:32 PM

Subject: Re: Help!

I see so many patients who will forever be confined to a ventilator. What

do they have in common? They all smoked. If you are in a car wreck or

seriously ill and require a ventilator to help assist you in breathing, it

will be MUCH more difficult for you to ever get off that ventilator if you

are a smoker. I see so many of my patients who should have only been on a

ventilator for a few weeks, but a month later, they are still ventilated

because all attempts to get them breathing completely on their own have

failed. Plus, when you smoke, you are depriving your entire system of the

oxygen it needs to stay healthy. You are constricting all those tiny

capillaries that are so abundant through your body. People focus on lung

cancer when it comes to smoking, but there is so much more. I can honestly

say that our non-smokers get out of the ICU faster than our smokers do.

My mom finally quit after years because she had to have oral surgery done.

I'm so glad that she has quit and hope that she will continue to be a

nonsmoker for the remainder of her life. I watched both grandmothers die

from cancer, most likely caused by their cigarette habit. That's not to say

if you don't smoke, you will remain cancer free. But the smoking just

increases that risk....a lot.

Good for you on recognizing you need to quit and making the first step by

asking for help. There is so much out there today to help you quit. My mom

STILL wears a patch (and it's been since November that she had her last

cigarette). I think that's a psychological thing for her....when she gets

the urge to have a cig, she kind of reaches over to feel for her patch.

Weird, but it works. Good luck with your journey......as a daughter who

watched her mother quit a daily cocaine habit cold turkey, but couldn't

manage to quit smoking, I realize it's one of the HARDEST habits to

break...and obviously more addicting than any of us nonsmokers realize.

= )

fuzzyelfone <fuzzyelf@...> wrote:

Ok, Ladies, I was hoping not to have to tell you this....

Here's the story of how I started BFL....I needed to quit smoking, and

I had tried everything. One day, for some unknown and weird reason, my

ex did a google search for " fat Batman " - what he found was Skwigg's

website. He sent it to me thinking it would be inspiration for

quitting the smoking, not necessarily getting in shape. I found it to

be pretty funny, but didn't think much about the practical

applications until I found I kept going back to read more. Well, one

thing led to another and now I am almost done with week 4 of the BFL

challenge (Yeah!) One of the goals that I set for myself was to quit

smoking by the time it was done - I haven't. Despite the fact that

I've lost alot o weight and feel pretty d@#n good, and am a healthcare

worker and know better, something still hasn't clicked and made me

truly want to give it up, so I am asking for you gals to give me some

advice or plain ole' chew me out properly. And thanks, fat Batman

---------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Surpass Chemical!!! Broadway in Albany! Make sure you bring your tax id

info! I go there often. They have lots of goodies - Epsom salts, sodium

bicarbonate, citric acid! That's what I got last trip. I get my lye from

them as well. The also have potassium hydroxide.

~Shyra A.

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-----Original Message-----

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Barbara Godfrey

Hey guys - I need help. My local chemical supply house is being a pain and I

can't get lye for the last few days because " The tanker is in the way " . Yup.

That's what they said. There are safety cones set up in front of the

warehouse and methinks something more serious is going on...hmmmm? Anyway,

they're as rude as ever (I always forget how abrupt and rude they are - I

don't buy enough from them to be bothered being polite) and since the

weather is not as humid - I'd like to package up some lye before the weather

changes. We're off to Schenectady Monday AM and would like to pick up a 50

lb bag in Albany but I can't remember the name of the chemical supply hours

there. Can anybody help?

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Since there is a big bubble in the middle, it sounds like it's

really air that's pushing your baby scoby out of the liquid. This

happens to me sometimes, too, especially in warmer weather.

I " burp " my jar whenever I see that too much air is accumulating

under the baby scoby. To do this, tilt your jar slightly until some

air escapes and the baby drops back onto the surface.

If your brew is still too sweet, just let it keep going! I normally

brew for a couple of weeks, and there are others on this list who

brew for even longer. Also, how much sugar are you using? Recipes

can vary widely, but I use 1/3 cup sugar for every quart of sweet

tea. If you're using more than that, you might want to try a tad

less sugar next time and also maybe increase the amount of acidic

starter.

Hope this helps!

Nori

> I don't know if you remember, but I posted a few days ago about my

mommy culture pushing the baby up out of the liquid. I tried to push

it back down but to no avail. only a few edges are touching the

liquid with a big bubble up in the middle. I tested for bottling

today, it been 10 days and my last culture bottled at 7. It still

tastes sweet!

[Guest guest]

Jan,

I have seen that reaction before, especially in a person prone to depression. Decreasing 15-38 takes down too much beta, even when it seems there is excess. You might try 19-38 or 20-38, but I would first do something else. It would depend on her levels at F3 and F4 and whether or not she is suicidal. My email is reherron@... if you want to backline. I'll be online a little while longer.

Rosemary

Smart brain games

I have noticed some questions and negative experiences regarding smart brain games as a form of neurofeedback for treating ADD, ADHD, LD and other forms of mental disorders. I have two out of four children with one with ADD and one with ADHD. Both children are very different with the way they present with their disorders. One also has LDs. We have been using the smartbraingames form of neurofeedback since November '04 with previous experience of a more basic form of neurofeedback. We have had wonderful results from smartbrain games. We did have some glitches along the way, but what does one expect with a new program. None of the glitches were of any major interference with treatment and thus far have been resolved. We have seen major improvements in academics, memory, socialization, mood stabilization, decreased anger, and increased self esteem. We have treated as many times as 5 x a week to as little as 3 x week. Mychildren have loved and still say when are we going on today. I will say that this approach is a team effort between client, family and doctor. The provider of this treatment needs as much information as possible, which means parents have to be on their toes as to what to look for and to report. This is a learning curve in itself. Yes, there were times a child became a little hyper afterwards, but upon reporting this to the physician adjustments were made and the hyperactivity was reduced again. Every child is different and there is no set program that is for every child. I have highly recommended this program to many others. I will say the results are related to the amount of dynamic cooperation between all three parts of the team. It is not like taking a medication and boom one sees results. This approach is subtle, slower, but lasts. It is a gift to a child that cannot be taken away. Once a child is taken off medication the problems come back , not so with neurofeedback.

[Guest guest]

Jan,

Have you examined her environment or considered food allergies? I'm not a doctor but I've been going to them for most of my adult life for sensitivities. Many perfumes are poisonous, cleaning supplies that kill 99.9% of bacteria must do something to a human nose, and who knows how many new fabric protectors, air cleaners, and whatnot effect sensitive people.

But be aware, it's mostly Mom's that make any social/political changes in foods or the environment. It's that "care for the kids" instinct. Most older folks don't acknowledge environmental dangers. They still have the 1950's feeling of "if it wasn't safe the government wouldn't allow it" type of attitude.

I mention this because a few women at work that were going to the doctor for "stomach problems" had perfumes that made ME sick in my stomach. They laughed at me when I told them. Probably a good thing I stopped talking about it cause a lady with a perfume that gave me a headache, upper right, died of cancer with a tumor in the upper right brain. Dodged that bullet of controversy.

So it is something to be aware of. 'Nuff said.

--

Do Something Useful

Smart brain games

I have noticed some questions and negative experiences regarding smart brain games as a form of neurofeedback for treating ADD, ADHD, LD and other forms of mental disorders. I have two out of four children with one with ADD and one with ADHD. Both children are very different with the way they present with their disorders. One also has LDs. We have been using the smartbraingames form of neurofeedback since November '04 with previous experience of a more basic form of neurofeedback. We have had wonderful results from smartbrain games. We did have some glitches along the way, but what does one expect with a new program. None of the glitches were of any major interference with treatment and thus far have been resolved. We have seen major improvements in academics, memory, socialization, mood stabilization, decreased anger, and increased self esteem. We have treated as many times as 5 x a week to as little as 3 x week. Mychildren have loved and still say when are we going on today. I will say that this approach is a team effort between client, family and doctor. The provider of this treatment needs as much information as possible, which means parents have to be on their toes as to what to look for and to report. This is a learning curve in itself. Yes, there were times a child became a little hyper afterwards, but upon reporting this to the physician adjustments were made and the hyperactivity was reduced again. Every child is different and there is no set program that is for every child. I have highly recommended this program to many others. I will say the results are related to the amount of dynamic cooperation between all three parts of the team. It is not like taking a medication and boom one sees results. This approach is subtle, slower, but lasts. It is a gift to a child that cannot be taken away. Once a child is taken off medication the problems come back , not so with neurofeedback.

[Guest guest]

Hi Jan

have you assessed other sights and what were the findings?

Mark

Smart brain games

I have noticed some questions and negative experiences regarding smart brain games as a form of neurofeedback for treating ADD, ADHD, LD and other forms of mental disorders. I have two out of four children with one with ADD and one with ADHD. Both children are very different with the way they present with their disorders. One also has LDs. We have been using the smartbraingames form of neurofeedback since November '04 with previous experience of a more basic form of neurofeedback. We have had wonderful results from smartbrain games. We did have some glitches along the way, but what does one expect with a new program. None of the glitches were of any major interference with treatment and thus far have been resolved. We have seen major improvements in academics, memory, socialization, mood stabilization, decreased anger, and increased self esteem. We have treated as many times as 5 x a week to as little as 3 x week. Mychildren have loved and still say when are we going on today. I will say that this approach is a team effort between client, family and doctor. The provider of this treatment needs as much information as possible, which means parents have to be on their toes as to what to look for and to report. This is a learning curve in itself. Yes, there were times a child became a little hyper afterwards, but upon reporting this to the physician adjustments were made and the hyperactivity was reduced again. Every child is different and there is no set program that is for every child. I have highly recommended this program to many others. I will say the results are related to the amount of dynamic cooperation between all three parts of the team. It is not like taking a medication and boom one sees results. This approach is subtle, slower, but lasts. It is a gift to a child that cannot be taken away. Once a child is taken off medication the problems come back , not so with neurofeedback.

[Guest guest]

Sorry for Off Topic answer! Had a chemical factory on fire a few miles from my Mom's house (both folks on oxygen with limited mobility) and was a bit over stressed on air quality and "the elder's" attitudes.

--

Do Something Useful

Smart brain games

I have noticed some questions and negative experiences regarding smart brain games as a form of neurofeedback for treating ADD, ADHD, LD and other forms of mental disorders. I have two out of four children with one with ADD and one with ADHD. Both children are very different with the way they present with their disorders. One also has LDs. We have been using the smartbraingames form of neurofeedback since November '04 with previous experience of a more basic form of neurofeedback. We have had wonderful results from smartbrain games. We did have some glitches along the way, but what does one expect with a new program. None of the glitches were of any major interference with treatment and thus far have been resolved. We have seen major improvements in academics, memory, socialization, mood stabilization, decreased anger, and increased self esteem. We have treated as many times as 5 x a week to as little as 3 x week. Mychildren have loved and still say when are we going on today. I will say that this approach is a team effort between client, family and doctor. The provider of this treatment needs as much information as possible, which means parents have to be on their toes as to what to look for and to report. This is a learning curve in itself. Yes, there were times a child became a little hyper afterwards, but upon reporting this to the physician adjustments were made and the hyperactivity was reduced again. Every child is different and there is no set program that is for every child. I have highly recommended this program to many others. I will say the results are related to the amount of dynamic cooperation between all three parts of the team. It is not like taking a medication and boom one sees results. This approach is subtle, slower, but lasts. It is a gift to a child that cannot be taken away. Once a child is taken off medication the problems come back , not so with neurofeedback.

[Guest guest]

Hi Jan,

nothing to panic. First remember, what are you looking

for? are you getting good results? OK, if the answer

is yes, that I know it is, so you don't need to worry.

Believe me, their parents no need and don't want to

know about assessment's results, they only want to see

their kid getting better.

What could happen? maybe the first assessment is

wrong, the data is not precise, or with a lot of

artifacts in it, or could be the second one, but the

important thing here is that your client is showing

progress.

Try no to tell or talk about technical data or info

with the clients or parents, that's only for us, the

practitioners. Your credibility is based on the kid's

results not on data.

Hope this may confort and help you.

Regards,

, C.H.

BrainTrainer @ Training for life

Miami,FL

--- Jan Osgood

<josgood@...> wrote:

> Hi Folks,

>

> If anyone can offer some helpful hints I'll be

> immensely grateful.

>

>

> I've been working with an 8yr old boy, and having ,

> it would see, fabulous

> success.

>

> Each time I see the boy, the mum has some new

> 'triumph' to tell be, and it

> seems

> both parents, both highly intelligent university

> graduates, can talk of

> nothing else.

>

> This is what they talk about over dinner, and this

> is the last thing they

> talk about

> before they go to sleep.

>

> So said the mum this morning, and I was feeling

> pretty good about myself.

>

> UNTIL....

>

> I called up the results of the recent TLC I did on

> the child (17 August),

> and

> compared it to the original (20 June), and it's

> worse in every way! All the

> nunbers have

> gone the wrong way.

>

> Naturally I'm very embarrassed and horrified.

>

> I told the mum I would re-process all the data,

> repeat the TLC , and ask

> advice.

>

> I know it is often said that changes in behaviour

> are not necessarily

> matched with

> changes in the EEG, but if it is so bad...what can

> you believe and what is

> the basis

> of choosing where to train?

>

> The mum can't argure with the improvements...'like a

> miracle' and 'you're a

> genius'

> but right now I'm shattered, literally shaking, and

> I fear my credibility

> has gone out

> the window.

>

> Help, please!

> Before I press the panic button, I will re-process

> the data.

>

>

> I will see what advice/helpful hints may emerge from

> my colleagues.

>

> I'll invite them back for another TLC, then......?

>

> Jan Osgood

>

>

____________________________________________________

Start your day with - make it your home page

http://www./r/hs

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that ,

The mum phoned to say that she had reagained her equanimity. It was really

her response that upset me more than the result.

She went home and phoned her husband and he said something to the effect

that the results (in the boy) speak for themselves

regardless of what the assessment said.

There are some obvious possible explanations-it may be that I used a

different assess program-I'd have to check, and

I didn't artefact either test.

She caught me unawares...have you processed ---'s assessment, how did it

compare to the other one?

In retrospect I see how stupid I was, and sure, I've learned from that!

It may even be that, once I check on those two things, that the numbers show

an improvement.

See what can happen when one is tired and overworked, and one becomes less

vigilant!

Thanks for your kind words, . It is absolutely true that the parents

could not be more pleased with the result.

It is also true that I fell into the hugest hole with embarrassment.

So, maybe some of you can learn from my experience.....I should have had my

wits about me.

Jan

Re: help!

> Hi Jan,

>

> nothing to panic. First remember, what are you looking

> for? are you getting good results? OK, if the answer

> is yes, that I know it is, so you don't need to worry.

> Believe me, their parents no need and don't want to

> know about assessment's results, they only want to see

> their kid getting better.

>

> What could happen? maybe the first assessment is

> wrong, the data is not precise, or with a lot of

> artifacts in it, or could be the second one, but the

> important thing here is that your client is showing

> progress.

>

> Try no to tell or talk about technical data or info

> with the clients or parents, that's only for us, the

> practitioners. Your credibility is based on the kid's

> results not on data.

>

> Hope this may confort and help you.

>

> Regards,

>

> , C.H.

> BrainTrainer @ Training for life

> Miami,FL

>

> --- Jan Osgood

> <josgood@...> wrote:

>

>> Hi Folks,

>>

>> If anyone can offer some helpful hints I'll be

>> immensely grateful.

>>

>>

>> I've been working with an 8yr old boy, and having ,

>> it would see, fabulous

>> success.

>>

>> Each time I see the boy, the mum has some new

>> 'triumph' to tell be, and it

>> seems

>> both parents, both highly intelligent university

>> graduates, can talk of

>> nothing else.

>>

>> This is what they talk about over dinner, and this

>> is the last thing they

>> talk about

>> before they go to sleep.

>>

>> So said the mum this morning, and I was feeling

>> pretty good about myself.

>>

>> UNTIL....

>>

>> I called up the results of the recent TLC I did on

>> the child (17 August),

>> and

>> compared it to the original (20 June), and it's

>> worse in every way! All the

>> nunbers have

>> gone the wrong way.

>>

>> Naturally I'm very embarrassed and horrified.

>>

>> I told the mum I would re-process all the data,

>> repeat the TLC , and ask

>> advice.

>>

>> I know it is often said that changes in behaviour

>> are not necessarily

>> matched with

>> changes in the EEG, but if it is so bad...what can

>> you believe and what is

>> the basis

>> of choosing where to train?

>>

>> The mum can't argure with the improvements...'like a

>> miracle' and 'you're a

>> genius'

>> but right now I'm shattered, literally shaking, and

>> I fear my credibility

>> has gone out

>> the window.

>>

>> Help, please!

>> Before I press the panic button, I will re-process

>> the data.

>>

>>

>> I will see what advice/helpful hints may emerge from

>> my colleagues.

>>

>> I'll invite them back for another TLC, then......?

>>

>> Jan Osgood

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

> ____________________________________________________

> Start your day with - make it your home page

> http://www./r/hs

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jan,

It's wonderful to hear how well your young client is progressing. There's a reason Pete's approach is called the TLC assessment, not the TLC test. It's not a pass/fail construct. Puzzling, perhaps, why the data don't seem to support the changes in your client, but there's no reason to discount the progress. You're training for functional improvement, and evidently that's been happening. I'm not sure you need to offer to repeat the TLC if you're confident your data collection was good. There's no need to apologize for valid data just because you don't fully understand it. Are you at a juncture where you need to establish new training goals? If not, what's wrong with continuing with the training as you have been?

Best,

-------------- Original message from "Jan Osgood" <josgood@...>: -------------- > Hi Folks, > > If anyone can offer some helpful hints I'll be immensely grateful. > > > I've been working with an 8yr old boy, and having , it would see, fabulous > success. > > Each time I see the boy, the mum has some new 'triumph' to tell be, and it > seems > both parents, both highly intelligent university graduates, can talk of > nothing else. > > This is what they talk about over dinner, and this is the last thing they > talk about > before they go to sleep. > > So said the mum this morning, and I was feeling pretty good about myself. > > UNTIL.... > > I called up the results of the recent TLC I did on the child (17 August), > and > compared it to the original (20 June), and it's worse in every way! All the > nunbers have > gone the wrong way. > > Naturally I'm very embarrassed and horrified. > > I told the mum I would re-process all the data, repeat the TLC , and ask > advice. > > I know it is often said that changes in behaviour are not necessarily > matched with > changes in the EEG, but if it is so bad...what can you believe and what is > the basis > of choosing where to train? > > The mum can't argure with the improvements...'like a miracle' and 'you're a > genius' > but right now I'm shattered, literally shaking, and I fear my credibility > has gone out > the window. > > Help, please! > Before I press the panic button, I will re-process the data. > > > I will see what advice/helpful hints may emerge from my colleagues. > > I'll invite them back for another TLC, then......? > > Jan Osgood > > > >

[Guest guest]

I just found the little note I scribbled. The mum's words were that the

results were 'immeasurably wonderful'.

You can perhaps see why I crashed as I did!

Jan

Re: help!

> Hi Jan,

>

> nothing to panic. First remember, what are you looking

> for? are you getting good results? OK, if the answer

> is yes, that I know it is, so you don't need to worry.

> Believe me, their parents no need and don't want to

> know about assessment's results, they only want to see

> their kid getting better.

>

> What could happen? maybe the first assessment is

> wrong, the data is not precise, or with a lot of

> artifacts in it, or could be the second one, but the

> important thing here is that your client is showing

> progress.

>

> Try no to tell or talk about technical data or info

> with the clients or parents, that's only for us, the

> practitioners. Your credibility is based on the kid's

> results not on data.

>

> Hope this may confort and help you.

>

> Regards,

>

> , C.H.

> BrainTrainer @ Training for life

> Miami,FL

>

> --- Jan Osgood

> <josgood@...> wrote:

>

>> Hi Folks,

>>

>> If anyone can offer some helpful hints I'll be

>> immensely grateful.

>>

>>

>> I've been working with an 8yr old boy, and having ,

>> it would see, fabulous

>> success.

>>

>> Each time I see the boy, the mum has some new

>> 'triumph' to tell be, and it

>> seems

>> both parents, both highly intelligent university

>> graduates, can talk of

>> nothing else.

>>

>> This is what they talk about over dinner, and this

>> is the last thing they

>> talk about

>> before they go to sleep.

>>

>> So said the mum this morning, and I was feeling

>> pretty good about myself.

>>

>> UNTIL....

>>

>> I called up the results of the recent TLC I did on

>> the child (17 August),

>> and

>> compared it to the original (20 June), and it's

>> worse in every way! All the

>> nunbers have

>> gone the wrong way.

>>

>> Naturally I'm very embarrassed and horrified.

>>

>> I told the mum I would re-process all the data,

>> repeat the TLC , and ask

>> advice.

>>

>> I know it is often said that changes in behaviour

>> are not necessarily

>> matched with

>> changes in the EEG, but if it is so bad...what can

>> you believe and what is

>> the basis

>> of choosing where to train?

>>

>> The mum can't argure with the improvements...'like a

>> miracle' and 'you're a

>> genius'

>> but right now I'm shattered, literally shaking, and

>> I fear my credibility

>> has gone out

>> the window.

>>

>> Help, please!

>> Before I press the panic button, I will re-process

>> the data.

>>

>>

>> I will see what advice/helpful hints may emerge from

>> my colleagues.

>>

>> I'll invite them back for another TLC, then......?

>>

>> Jan Osgood

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

> ____________________________________________________

> Start your day with - make it your home page

> http://www./r/hs

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jan

I just got a kick out of the words she used - " immeasurably wonderful " and that's

exactly what happened!! The wonderful results didn't show up as measurable -

and that doesn't diminish them at all!!

>

> From: " Jan Osgood " <josgood@...>

> Date: 2005/08/23 Tue AM 04:14:30 EDT

> < >

> Subject: Re: help!

>

> I just found the little note I scribbled. The mum's words were that the

> results were 'immeasurably wonderful'.

>

> You can perhaps see why I crashed as I did!

>

> Jan

>

>

> Re: help!

>

>

> > Hi Jan,

> >

> > nothing to panic. First remember, what are you looking

> > for? are you getting good results? OK, if the answer

> > is yes, that I know it is, so you don't need to worry.

> > Believe me, their parents no need and don't want to

> > know about assessment's results, they only want to see

> > their kid getting better.

> >

> > What could happen? maybe the first assessment is

> > wrong, the data is not precise, or with a lot of

> > artifacts in it, or could be the second one, but the

> > important thing here is that your client is showing

> > progress.

> >

> > Try no to tell or talk about technical data or info

> > with the clients or parents, that's only for us, the

> > practitioners. Your credibility is based on the kid's

> > results not on data.

> >

> > Hope this may confort and help you.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > , C.H.

> > BrainTrainer @ Training for life

> > Miami,FL

> >

> > --- Jan Osgood

> > <josgood@...> wrote:

> >

> >> Hi Folks,

> >>

> >> If anyone can offer some helpful hints I'll be

> >> immensely grateful.

> >>

> >>

> >> I've been working with an 8yr old boy, and having ,

> >> it would see, fabulous

> >> success.

> >>

> >> Each time I see the boy, the mum has some new

> >> 'triumph' to tell be, and it

> >> seems

> >> both parents, both highly intelligent university

> >> graduates, can talk of

> >> nothing else.

> >>

> >> This is what they talk about over dinner, and this

> >> is the last thing they

> >> talk about

> >> before they go to sleep.

> >>

> >> So said the mum this morning, and I was feeling

> >> pretty good about myself.

> >>

> >> UNTIL....

> >>

> >> I called up the results of the recent TLC I did on

> >> the child (17 August),

> >> and

> >> compared it to the original (20 June), and it's

> >> worse in every way! All the

> >> nunbers have

> >> gone the wrong way.

> >>

> >> Naturally I'm very embarrassed and horrified.

> >>

> >> I told the mum I would re-process all the data,

> >> repeat the TLC , and ask

> >> advice.

> >>

> >> I know it is often said that changes in behaviour

> >> are not necessarily

> >> matched with

> >> changes in the EEG, but if it is so bad...what can

> >> you believe and what is

> >> the basis

> >> of choosing where to train?

> >>

> >> The mum can't argure with the improvements...'like a

> >> miracle' and 'you're a

> >> genius'

> >> but right now I'm shattered, literally shaking, and

> >> I fear my credibility

> >> has gone out

> >> the window.

> >>

> >> Help, please!

> >> Before I press the panic button, I will re-process

> >> the data.

> >>

> >>

> >> I will see what advice/helpful hints may emerge from

> >> my colleagues.

> >>

> >> I'll invite them back for another TLC, then......?

> >>

> >> Jan Osgood

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________________________________________________

> > Start your day with - make it your home page

> > http://www./r/hs

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks, ,

this was in my drafys folder-not sure if it got sent.....

I already showed the client the numbers.

Big mistake!!!And with the worst possible client!

There is no mistaking how brilliantly the kid has fared.

I just have to find some way of talking my way out of it.

There may be a way, I need to check...which program

I used for

Re: help!

> Hi Jan,

>

> nothing to panic. First remember, what are you looking

> for? are you getting good results? OK, if the answer

> is yes, that I know it is, so you don't need to worry.

> Believe me, their parents no need and don't want to

> know about assessment's results, they only want to see

> their kid getting better.

>

> What could happen? maybe the first assessment is

> wrong, the data is not precise, or with a lot of

> artifacts in it, or could be the second one, but the

> important thing here is that your client is showing

> progress.

>

> Try no to tell or talk about technical data or info

> with the clients or parents, that's only for us, the

> practitioners. Your credibility is based on the kid's

> results not on data.

>

> Hope this may confort and help you.

>

> Regards,

>

> , C.H.

> BrainTrainer @ Training for life

> Miami,FL

>

> --- Jan Osgood

> <josgood@...> wrote:

>

>> Hi Folks,

>>

>> If anyone can offer some helpful hints I'll be

>> immensely grateful.

>>

>>

>> I've been working with an 8yr old boy, and having ,

>> it would see, fabulous

>> success.

>>

>> Each time I see the boy, the mum has some new

>> 'triumph' to tell be, and it

>> seems

>> both parents, both highly intelligent university

>> graduates, can talk of

>> nothing else.

>>

>> This is what they talk about over dinner, and this

>> is the last thing they

>> talk about

>> before they go to sleep.

>>

>> So said the mum this morning, and I was feeling

>> pretty good about myself.

>>

>> UNTIL....

>>

>> I called up the results of the recent TLC I did on

>> the child (17 August),

>> and

>> compared it to the original (20 June), and it's

>> worse in every way! All the

>> nunbers have

>> gone the wrong way.

>>

>> Naturally I'm very embarrassed and horrified.

>>

>> I told the mum I would re-process all the data,

>> repeat the TLC , and ask

>> advice.

>>

>> I know it is often said that changes in behaviour

>> are not necessarily

>> matched with

>> changes in the EEG, but if it is so bad...what can

>> you believe and what is

>> the basis

>> of choosing where to train?

>>

>> The mum can't argure with the improvements...'like a

>> miracle' and 'you're a

>> genius'

>> but right now I'm shattered, literally shaking, and

>> I fear my credibility

>> has gone out

>> the window.

>>

>> Help, please!

>> Before I press the panic button, I will re-process

>> the data.

>>

>>

>> I will see what advice/helpful hints may emerge from

>> my colleagues.

>>

>> I'll invite them back for another TLC, then......?

>>

>> Jan Osgood

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

> ____________________________________________________

> Start your day with - make it your home page

> http://www./r/hs

>

>

>

>

>

>

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In a message dated 10/4/2005 1:10:00 PM Central Standard Time,

gimenezgang@... writes:

> One immno also told me that if we gave him

> ivig then his body would stop making his own igg. The other immuno

> said that that isn't true (Our Texas Childrens doc)

Our doc said (back in 2000) that if we started IVIG before the age of two,

during the time she was on the IVIG, her immune system would not have a chance

to finish maturing (if it was going to). I understood it to mean that your

system can't finish maturing WHILE you're on IVIG, I got the impression you'd

have

to go off IVIG to finish, so you'd just be putting it off. I decided our best

shot would be to let 's system do all the maturing it was going to while

she was young and I could keep her protected, not wait until she was in

school or something!

I don't know that I " regret " the decision, after all, her system DID mature

some. It matured enough that that doc said IVIG was no longer an option for

her. Over the years I've gone back and forth, wondering if she should have gone

on it anyway... maybe it could have prevented some of her illnesses, though she

hasn't had anything deadly since infancy. It's a TOUGH decision.

I guess I'll say I'm glad we waited and retested after age two to see how

she'd be then. Of course, if she gets something horrible in the future I'll be

saying that I had wanted IVIG all along!

(mom to , age 6-1/2, dairy intolerant-related GERD -- currently

has polysaccharide antibody def, previously had transient IgG, IgA, t-cell &

other defs... and also to Kate, age 3!, more dairy intolerant but very healthy!)

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-- Fw: Help!

Hi Isabella,

I was recommended to contact you by someone who thought that you may be able to help. Things are very dire and I would be grateful for any advice you can give.

A brief outline of my case.

I have 3 children - child A who is nearly 10 and child M who have an Australian father whom I believe was abusive to child A. A and M have never lived with their father who was angry that I went ahead with their pregnacies. In 2001, I went into hiding for 2 years to protect A from further harm. During this 2 year period I had a baby D with current partner. My current partner's teenage daughter got jealous of child D and told the Australian ex-partner my whereabouts. At the point of being found Social services got involved intially writing good report saying good heathly vegetarian diet, plenty of education materials for home education and all family interact well.

Contact with father of the 2 older children was arranged. The children didn't interact well with him. The LA immediatly put another report in saying that they can not remember me hugging the children during their visits and that the children are fussy about their food and that home education was not good for the children and that they need to do "work with the children" to get them to accept their father. The LA applied for an ex parte care application at the high court. 4 judges turned them down saying it was wrong to remove the children. Eventually a 5th judge was found who gave the stamp of approval. It took a few weeks to actually get a court hearing.

The children were placed into 3 separate foster homes, then eventually the 2 older ones were placed into the same home. Baby D has had a separate home the entire length of the proceedings. The case got handed over a few times to other judges with excuses of not enough time to hear the case until I got Judge P who was angry that I had gone into hiding and said that she could see that I was not capable of giving emotional warmth to the children because I didn't not over re-act or under re-act in the witness stand therefore could not provide for the emotional needs of the children and said they would remain in interim care until the final hearing.

I got an independant social worker/gardian to do a report that recomended that baby d be returned, as I was a very good parent and all 3 children were emotionally well bonded to me.This infuriated Judge P who had only given permission for the independent social worker to observe contact, not do a report. She said that she would not give much weight to the report as Judge P had not given permission for the court papers to be made available to the independent social worker, or to do a report - therefore the court would not give due weight to it.

In the mean time I contested the interim care orders. Now they have found a court expert to do a report that simply repeats everything the LA has said in its report, says they want to adopt baby D out on the grounds that I won't immunise him - therefore I can not put the interests of the child before that of my own. Even though baby D's parents (myself and my partner) say that we don't want him immunised the State says otherwise. The other reason being given is that being in hiding was an abuse of the child.

I believe the steps taken above are in order to justify sending A and M to Australia. I do not believe that any child should be adopted out on the grounds of immunisation and trying to protect the older 2 children which has nothing to do with baby D now 2 and 1/2.

The state shouldn't be trying to adopt children out on immunisations grounds. If any one can help with advice on this I would be really grateful.

Kinds regards,

Louise.

[Guest guest]

Good luck with your move! Unfortunately, SSA does not adjust one's

benefits according to one's expenses. Some states offer Optional

Supplementary Payment such as a restaurant allowance of if you don't

have access to cooking facilities.

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0501415033

The federal SSI amount for 2005 is $579/mo. for an individual and

$869/mo. for a couple. In 2006 SSI will be is $603/mo. for an

individual and $904/mo. for a couple.

You should talk with your lender to make arrangements. If they don't

make adequate arrangements with you, contact a non-profit credit

counseling agency.

Alana

>

> To Everyone:

>

> I am in Illinois, moving into Lake County, this Saturday

(finally!). I have

> a school loan and I want to know if I tell the SSI people about

this extra

> expense, would they be able to give me more money, maybe until I

pay off the

> loan? Or will they tell me to consolidate it into small amounts?

That will

> take probably 30 years to pay off. Or should I just speak with the

loan

> company?

>

[Guest guest]

Alana,

Thank you for the information. I really appreciate it.

~Meg.

( My Blog = http://meg77.blogspot.com )

" Life is not what happens to you,

But how you react to it...

For what caused you react will surely pass,

But how you continue to react,

Can only be passed by you. "

Re: Help!

Good luck with your move! Unfortunately, SSA does not adjust one's

benefits according to one's expenses. Some states offer Optional

Supplementary Payment such as a restaurant allowance of if you don't

have access to cooking facilities.

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0501415033

The federal SSI amount for 2005 is $579/mo. for an individual and

$869/mo. for a couple. In 2006 SSI will be is $603/mo. for an

individual and $904/mo. for a couple.

You should talk with your lender to make arrangements. If they don't

make adequate arrangements with you, contact a non-profit credit

counseling agency.

Alana

>

> To Everyone:

>

> I am in Illinois, moving into Lake County, this Saturday

(finally!). I have

> a school loan and I want to know if I tell the SSI people about

this extra

> expense, would they be able to give me more money, maybe until I

pay off the

> loan? Or will they tell me to consolidate it into small amounts?

That will

> take probably 30 years to pay off. Or should I just speak with the

loan

> company?

>

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In a message dated 11/14/2005 5:00:05 PM Central Standard Time,

pink-tulip@... writes:

will Medicaid pay for a $20,000+ motorized wheelchair?

Medicaid will pay for a wheelchair in that price range so long as the need is

justified by your doctors. I know this from experience...my chair cost

$21,500 and they paid the entire bill.

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I would love to see a copy of this plan, if you don't mind. I haven't posted in awhile on the site. I have a 5yr old son who is autistic.

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Good point , I forgot that he was

16!!

My son is 12 but more like 9. The

school IS using it faithfully so it is helping.

The one medication that did help with the

impulsivity for my son was Tenex, he was on that along with Adderall at the

time.

-Charlotte

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9:46 AM

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Subject: Help!

In a message dated 12/7/2005 6:36:22 A.M.

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writes:

My son has a behavior plan in place at

school for this. He earns points for

not blurting out and for raising his hand and such and then he can " cash

in "

points at the end of the day for things like computer time. This has

helped

him. If you want me to send you a copy of the plan privately let me know.

** HI Charlotte

My son had something like this in Ele

school, but he is now 16. He is in high school. I think he did fairly well on

it in Ele school,but they did not use it all the time, so that was a detriment

to him.

Thanks though for your help!

hugs

in IL

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Looking for Charlotte!!!!!Would like to take a look at your plan you were talking about. My son is five. Thank you....please feel free to privately email me.

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