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I believe you can use small amounts of low fat things, like mustard,

mayo, etc... I know I use mustard, lowfat sourcream, salsa.

> I am getting ready to start my first day tomorrow...any advice on

> food...there seems to be some missing pieces in the

book...condiments

> etc....can anyone help??? TIA

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I use low-fat cream cheese. I'd use the fat free, but I really don't

like the stuff.

Andy

> > I am getting ready to start my first day tomorrow...any advice on

> > food...there seems to be some missing pieces in the

> book...condiments

> > etc....can anyone help??? TIA

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I use low-fat cream cheese. I'd use the fat free, but I really don't

like the stuff.

Andy

> > I am getting ready to start my first day tomorrow...any advice on

> > food...there seems to be some missing pieces in the

> book...condiments

> > etc....can anyone help??? TIA

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Lana, pour it back in the pot. if it has lost heat, you can kick start it

on the stove just warm it up and it will take over with the chemical

process. Stir to trace as normal. If you have a stick blender, you may

want to use it. I dont knwo what you used as a mold but you may have to

reline it. Please be careful and wear rubber gloves as you are dealing with

raw soap.

Shaye

Help!

Just made my first batch of CP the oils seperated out when I poured it into

the mold. What do I do?

Lana

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Lana, if you do this, dont leave it on the heat. Just long enough to warm

it up

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Help!

Just made my first batch of CP the oils seperated out when I poured it into

the mold. What do I do?

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I vote for the addition of a purple stripe on the ultra blonde part. :-)

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Hi ;

No dish detergent will help your hair. All it will do is strip what oils you

have in your hair out. If you had the top part bleached, the color is gone

untill it grows out. The only thing that I can recomment is to go to the

drug store and buy a coloring that will wash out in four or five

shanpooings, one that is as close to the brown part on the bottom. Clairol

used to make temporary coloring but I don't remember what it is called. You

might go to a beauty supply store and get a temporary rinse.

Good luck.

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I second the purple!!! (red or blue would be nice too... so long as it

coordinates with what you are wearing of course! ;->) Sorry I had a

rather large purple stripe in the from of my hair last summer so I'm a

bit partial to odd hair colors! Don't worry, it's blonde now... course

the rest of my hair is auburn so it still doesn't look " normal " .

Seriously though, you must be careful if you try to over dye the blonde

part. Commercial dyes are not formulated to be used over hair that has

already been " roughened " by being dyed and/or bleached. My friends and I

tend to have " odd " hair colors. One of my friends had gotten tired of her

bleached hair, so she was going to dye it back to a color close to her

natural black. It came out purple due to the damage from the bleaching. I

think she used Feria. OK, so the box DID say to not use on bleached hair.

I would suggest going to a professional salon supply and get their

opinion as to what would be best. Just my $0.02. HTH

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> ,

>

> I vote for the addition of a purple stripe on the ultra blonde part.

> :-)

>

> ¸..·´¨¨)) -:¦:-

> ¸.·´ .·´¨¨))

> ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- Sage -:¦:-

> -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*

>

>

>

>

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When you have bleached hair and decide to color it

dark again, you must put back the red that was

stripped out when your hair was bleached. I learned

this the hard way, 30+ years ago when I went from

white blonde bleached hair and put some dark clariol

color on it, I came out green. Odd colors were not in

style in back then.

Hope it helps, now days there are so many more

options.

I am sure you are a beautiful enough person to pull

off any bad hair day.

Janet

--- E Farra <bast1531@...> wrote:

> I second the purple!!! (red or blue would be nice

> too... so long as it

> coordinates with what you are wearing of course!

> ;->) Sorry I had a

> rather large purple stripe in the from of my hair

> last summer so I'm a

> bit partial to odd hair colors! Don't worry, it's

> blonde now... course

> the rest of my hair is auburn so it still doesn't

> look " normal " .

>

> Seriously though, you must be careful if you try to

> over dye the blonde

> part. Commercial dyes are not formulated to be used

> over hair that has

> already been " roughened " by being dyed and/or

> bleached. My friends and I

> tend to have " odd " hair colors. One of my friends

> had gotten tired of her

> bleached hair, so she was going to dye it back to a

> color close to her

> natural black. It came out purple due to the damage

> from the bleaching. I

> think she used Feria. OK, so the box DID say to not

> use on bleached hair.

> I would suggest going to a professional salon supply

> and get their

> opinion as to what would be best. Just my $0.02. HTH

>

> Bast

> Lotus on the Nile Soapworks

> Ankh, Udja, Seneb!

> (Life, Prosperity, Health!)

>

> On Sat, 9 Mar 2002 00:03:28 EST Yaaruln@...

> writes:

> > ,

> >

> > I vote for the addition of a purple stripe on the

> ultra blonde part.

> > :-)

> >

> > ¸..·´¨¨)) -:¦:-

> > ¸.·´ .·´¨¨))

> > ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- Sage -:¦:-

> > -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*

> >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

> >

> >

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Jay:

I just wanted to wish you luck this week. I'll be praying for your family. Let

us know how you are doing.

Warmly,

in Missouri

Re: Help!

Lee, thank you for your input. I just got back from her psychiatrist

appointment (regular hospital-connected, not school-connected) and he said

the same thing. He said that I should have a lawyer or at the very least an

advocate before meeting with anyone else from the school.

Jay

Jay..i wouldnt say anything until you talk to a lawyer with experience in

this department. if your daughter has impulse control problems known to the

school and the teacher didnt do anything having the school *defend* your

daughter might be a mistake...they might be more interesteed in proving

*they* arent responsible then proving your daughter isnt...if that makes

sense... what i am saying is it might be a conflict of their interest to

have the school psychologist to be *defending* you daughters actions (not

that this is exactly what was going to be done.., but the school doc is

still

school personel) i think that *THE* primary goal of the school will be to

not get sued by the boys parents... i dont think it will be to assess the

situation non-judgementally. Lee

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Jay:

I just wanted to wish you luck this week. I'll be praying for your family. Let

us know how you are doing.

Warmly,

in Missouri

Re: Help!

Lee, thank you for your input. I just got back from her psychiatrist

appointment (regular hospital-connected, not school-connected) and he said

the same thing. He said that I should have a lawyer or at the very least an

advocate before meeting with anyone else from the school.

Jay

Jay..i wouldnt say anything until you talk to a lawyer with experience in

this department. if your daughter has impulse control problems known to the

school and the teacher didnt do anything having the school *defend* your

daughter might be a mistake...they might be more interesteed in proving

*they* arent responsible then proving your daughter isnt...if that makes

sense... what i am saying is it might be a conflict of their interest to

have the school psychologist to be *defending* you daughters actions (not

that this is exactly what was going to be done.., but the school doc is

still

school personel) i think that *THE* primary goal of the school will be to

not get sued by the boys parents... i dont think it will be to assess the

situation non-judgementally. Lee

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Jay:

I just wanted to wish you luck this week. I'll be praying for your family. Let

us know how you are doing.

Warmly,

in Missouri

Re: Help!

Lee, thank you for your input. I just got back from her psychiatrist

appointment (regular hospital-connected, not school-connected) and he said

the same thing. He said that I should have a lawyer or at the very least an

advocate before meeting with anyone else from the school.

Jay

Jay..i wouldnt say anything until you talk to a lawyer with experience in

this department. if your daughter has impulse control problems known to the

school and the teacher didnt do anything having the school *defend* your

daughter might be a mistake...they might be more interesteed in proving

*they* arent responsible then proving your daughter isnt...if that makes

sense... what i am saying is it might be a conflict of their interest to

have the school psychologist to be *defending* you daughters actions (not

that this is exactly what was going to be done.., but the school doc is

still

school personel) i think that *THE* primary goal of the school will be to

not get sued by the boys parents... i dont think it will be to assess the

situation non-judgementally. Lee

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Patty:

I don't know that I provided much help, but I did respond to you over the

weekend. Did you get it?

in Missouri

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Jay,

I'm so sorry to hear what has happened to Leigh. This is something that the

parents of children with special needs in our school district have been

worried about for the past few years. Unfortunately, our children are the

ones who are suffering from bullying and getting into trouble when they

respond. It is the bullying that needs to be addressed just as much as the

end result. There has been much written about this very issue in the NYTimes

and it has also been addressed on popular TV talk shows. There seems to be a

growing awareness about what the real issue is and who should really be held

accountable. This may not be of any help but I just thought that if I were

in your position, besides getting an attorney at this point, I would compile

as much info on this type of data as I could to add more weight to my issues.

Good luck during this terribly trying time. It is so difficult to be in a

position where you have to defend your child against what you know is so

unfair.

Stay strong,

/NY

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In a message dated 4/29/2002 2:50:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

jswarner007@... writes:

> know some of you have dealt with courts and your kids and these

> disorders. Any advice for me on what to say? What to do? The district

> psychologist is going to write a letter to the judge on her behalf.

> We are seeing her psychiatrist this afternoon. I need your help!

>

> Also, any advice regarding the school would also be appreciated. I am

> tempted to pull her out for the rest of the year as obviously their

> idea of classroom management makes this scenario likely to repeat

> itself. I want them to educate her though, so she can graduate 8th

> grade.

>

>

Jay..i wouldnt say anything until you talk to a lawyer with experience in

this department. if your daughter has impulse control problems known to the

school and the teacher didnt do anything having the school *defend* your

daughter might be a mistake...they might be more interesteed in proving

*they* arent responsible then proving your daughter isnt...if that makes

sense... what i am saying is it might be a conflict of their interest to

have the school psychologist to be *defending* you daughters actions (not

that this is exactly what was going to be done.., but the school doc is still

school personel) i think that *THE* primary goal of the school will be to

not get sued by the boys parents... i dont think it will be to assess the

situation non-judgementally. Lee

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In a message dated 4/29/2002 2:50:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

jswarner007@... writes:

> know some of you have dealt with courts and your kids and these

> disorders. Any advice for me on what to say? What to do? The district

> psychologist is going to write a letter to the judge on her behalf.

> We are seeing her psychiatrist this afternoon. I need your help!

>

> Also, any advice regarding the school would also be appreciated. I am

> tempted to pull her out for the rest of the year as obviously their

> idea of classroom management makes this scenario likely to repeat

> itself. I want them to educate her though, so she can graduate 8th

> grade.

>

>

Jay..i wouldnt say anything until you talk to a lawyer with experience in

this department. if your daughter has impulse control problems known to the

school and the teacher didnt do anything having the school *defend* your

daughter might be a mistake...they might be more interesteed in proving

*they* arent responsible then proving your daughter isnt...if that makes

sense... what i am saying is it might be a conflict of their interest to

have the school psychologist to be *defending* you daughters actions (not

that this is exactly what was going to be done.., but the school doc is still

school personel) i think that *THE* primary goal of the school will be to

not get sued by the boys parents... i dont think it will be to assess the

situation non-judgementally. Lee

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Lee, thank you for your input. I just got back from her psychiatrist

appointment (regular hospital-connected, not school-connected) and he said

the same thing. He said that I should have a lawyer or at the very least an

advocate before meeting with anyone else from the school.

Jay

Jay..i wouldnt say anything until you talk to a lawyer with experience in

this department. if your daughter has impulse control problems known to the

school and the teacher didnt do anything having the school *defend* your

daughter might be a mistake...they might be more interesteed in proving

*they* arent responsible then proving your daughter isnt...if that makes

sense... what i am saying is it might be a conflict of their interest to

have the school psychologist to be *defending* you daughters actions (not

that this is exactly what was going to be done.., but the school doc is

still

school personel) i think that *THE* primary goal of the school will be to

not get sued by the boys parents... i dont think it will be to assess the

situation non-judgementally. Lee

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Lee, thank you for your input. I just got back from her psychiatrist

appointment (regular hospital-connected, not school-connected) and he said

the same thing. He said that I should have a lawyer or at the very least an

advocate before meeting with anyone else from the school.

Jay

Jay..i wouldnt say anything until you talk to a lawyer with experience in

this department. if your daughter has impulse control problems known to the

school and the teacher didnt do anything having the school *defend* your

daughter might be a mistake...they might be more interesteed in proving

*they* arent responsible then proving your daughter isnt...if that makes

sense... what i am saying is it might be a conflict of their interest to

have the school psychologist to be *defending* you daughters actions (not

that this is exactly what was going to be done.., but the school doc is

still

school personel) i think that *THE* primary goal of the school will be to

not get sued by the boys parents... i dont think it will be to assess the

situation non-judgementally. Lee

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Lee, thank you for your input. I just got back from her psychiatrist

appointment (regular hospital-connected, not school-connected) and he said

the same thing. He said that I should have a lawyer or at the very least an

advocate before meeting with anyone else from the school.

Jay

Jay..i wouldnt say anything until you talk to a lawyer with experience in

this department. if your daughter has impulse control problems known to the

school and the teacher didnt do anything having the school *defend* your

daughter might be a mistake...they might be more interesteed in proving

*they* arent responsible then proving your daughter isnt...if that makes

sense... what i am saying is it might be a conflict of their interest to

have the school psychologist to be *defending* you daughters actions (not

that this is exactly what was going to be done.., but the school doc is

still

school personel) i think that *THE* primary goal of the school will be to

not get sued by the boys parents... i dont think it will be to assess the

situation non-judgementally. Lee

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Oh Jay,

I'm SO sorry about what happened. As I was reading your post all I

could think was " where was the teacher???? " I was just trying this afternoon

to imagine my daughter in middle school - the scenario I came up with wasn't

pretty. I can almost imagine her throwing something, and I can definetly

imagine her being depressed, suicidal, cutting herself... Middle school is so

hard, even for normal kids, and it seems that the schools STILL just don't

take the social pressures seriously enough.

I wish I had words of advice, but I don't. You and your daughter

have all my sympathy though. Best wishes,

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Jay, was the teacher actually IN the room when this went on??? I

can't believe a teacher would stand by and do nothing when the boy

was daring her, heck, even before that when she was being teased!!

Hopefully, you'll get an understanding judge who will hear the entire

story before making any decisions. Will this go to a " teen court "

considering her age and the charge?

Let us know what happens please!

> I haven't posted for a while, mostly because things had been okay

up

> til last week. I have a 14 year old daughter, Leigh, with OCD,

> Tourettes Syndrome, and Sensory Integration Disorder. Last week she

> was in class at school and was being teased and taunted by some

kids

> in the class. As her anxiety level grew, she was going to leave the

> class (this is what she is supposed to do according to her IEP). As

> she was leaving, a boy took a water bottle out of her back pack and

> threw it at her, then began teasing her. She demanded he stop or

she

> would throw a chair at him. He continued, now adding " go ahead,

throw

> it, you won't throw it, you're too chicken to throw the chair, go

> ahead, I dare you. " The other kids in the class were laughing, as

her

> anxiety rose. So, my lovely daughter with almost zero impulse

> control and just a wee tad more than that of anger control... threw

> the chair...at his head. End of scenario - bully goes to hospital

in

> an ambulance for seven stitches. Leigh gets arrested for third

degree

> assault. The school, amazingly, claims that the teacher had things

> under control and did exactly what a teacher is supposed to do

(stand

> by and watch as a kid taunts another kid with a known

disorder????).

> Now she is suspended, we go to court this Thursday.

>

> I know some of you have dealt with courts and your kids and these

> disorders. Any advice for me on what to say? What to do? The

district

> psychologist is going to write a letter to the judge on her behalf.

> We are seeing her psychiatrist this afternoon. I need your help!

>

> Also, any advice regarding the school would also be appreciated. I

am

> tempted to pull her out for the rest of the year as obviously their

> idea of classroom management makes this scenario likely to repeat

> itself. I want them to educate her though, so she can graduate 8th

> grade.

>

> Thanks in advance,

> Jay in Colorado

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yes the teacher was there the whole time, and when I questioned what

the teacher was doing while this was happening, they stated only that they

didnt see a classroom management issue and the teacher did exactly what was

expected of her (nothing I guess). For this reason I have decided there is

no way that I can put her back in this classroom. The court is an adult

court because the town I am in has less than 600 residents though I am

basically in a suburb of Denver. In Colorado, a child over the age of 10 can

be charged as an adult. She was 13 (2 days before her 14th birthday) when it

happened. And, oh yeah, I got a call today wanting to schedule the

manifestation hearing for wednesday, but I am going to try to hold them off

til next week so I can get an advocate to go with me.

Jay in Colorado

Jay, was the teacher actually IN the room when this went on??? I

can't believe a teacher would stand by and do nothing when the boy

was daring her, heck, even before that when she was being teased!!

Hopefully, you'll get an understanding judge who will hear the entire

story before making any decisions. Will this go to a " teen court "

considering her age and the charge?

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Jay,

I'm so sorry to hear what has happened to Leigh. This is something that the

parents of children with special needs in our school district have been

worried about for the past few years. Unfortunately, our children are the

ones who are suffering from bullying and getting into trouble when they

respond. It is the bullying that needs to be addressed just as much as the

end result. There has been much written about this very issue in the NYTimes

and it has also been addressed on popular TV talk shows. There seems to be a

growing awareness about what the real issue is and who should really be held

accountable. This may not be of any help but I just thought that if I were

in your position, besides getting an attorney at this point, I would compile

as much info on this type of data as I could to add more weight to my issues.

Good luck during this terribly trying time. It is so difficult to be in a

position where you have to defend your child against what you know is so

unfair.

Stay strong,

/NY

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Dear Jay,

I lived in Colorado for a while and had problems with how they deal with

these kinds of kids. Your story is just horrible. I know exactly what I

would do, if it wasn't for the court situation. I would sue for harassment

to my child. She showed way more tolerance than most kids with these

disorders would show. I believe her condition is to show that her behavior

was overly good for the situation. I am totally disgusted that they would

do this to you. I wish I had some concrete help for you, but I don't. I

just had to let you know what my feeling was about this.

M

P.S. I agree very much with Lee of madblond. I think you have a case

against the school and I would seek out an attorney. They had no right to

treat your child that way. The school is liable.

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To All. I really wish someone could help me when i write in. I never get written

back and i to need advice thanks patty in calif.

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Jay,

I'm so sorry to hear what has happened to Leigh. This is something that the

parents of children with special needs in our school district have been

worried about for the past few years. Unfortunately, our children are the

ones who are suffering from bullying and getting into trouble when they

respond. It is the bullying that needs to be addressed just as much as the

end result. There has been much written about this very issue in the NYTimes

and it has also been addressed on popular TV talk shows. There seems to be a

growing awareness about what the real issue is and who should really be held

accountable. This may not be of any help but I just thought that if I were

in your position, besides getting an attorney at this point, I would compile

as much info on this type of data as I could to add more weight to my issues.

Good luck during this terribly trying time. It is so difficult to be in a

position where you have to defend your child against what you know is so

unfair.

Stay strong,

/NY

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Jay,

It sounds as though Leigh was doing what was required of her according to her

IEP, the boy attacked her first by throwing her water bottle at her then

continued to harrass her (probably being aware of the situation and how she

may react). Do what ever you can to protect your daughter.

My daughter (TS, OCD, ADHD) was in a similar situation three years ago and

is still on probation. Her probation officer is dense when it comes to

Chelle's disorders. Please follow the advice that has been given here. Hire

a good attorney to protect your daughter, have a statement from her

psychiatrist if he/she cannot appear in court with you, sue the school

district for not preventing this from happening in the first place, and file

harrassment charges against the child who started the incident.

Teachers have a way of not seeing what is going on when it comes to teasing

and bullying. My daughter was bullied and harrassed for a long time by one

particular boy. Nothing was done about it because he was the son of the

vice-principal of the school. The teachers turned a blind eye to what was

happening. I was unaware of most of what was going on until my daughter

exploded on the kid. She didn't even hit him - just verbally attacked him.

I couldn't afford an attorney and the court appointed one. None of them

understand our kids. You need your own attorney who will fight tooth and

nail for your child.

I just read Gail's post to you - excellent advice from an expert. Good luck

to you and Leigh. I pray that you prevail in your efforts for her.

Progress, one child at a time.

Phyllis

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