Re: Anti fungals and abx

January 16, 2012

I know Aandraya used Itraconazole and now is on something else. Not sure what that is. Also I believe Aggi used Itraconazole too.From: "g_mrrsn" <g_mrrsn@...>bird mites Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 3:40:01 PMSubject: Anti fungals and abxHi Aggie,I haen't been here for a while. Been in hospital 3X this past year.Would you give us specific details about the anti fungals you took as well as the abx's. I sure would appreciate it. I have been struggling with mites and mite bites for a long time now. They are in everything in the house including books and papers. I am not strong enough to do heay cleaning, but could take some stuff orally.Thanks for your help.g_mrrsn------------------------------------

January 16, 2012

Hi G,

I do remember you and am very sorry that you have been to hospital several times. Was it mite-related or for different reasons ? Here are the details you requested:

Itraconazole (anti-fungal) 100 mg caps = I took 1 cap in the morning and another one on the night for about 2 months and noticed a huge difference after a couple of days already ! The mites were far less interested in biting me,

followed by abx

Doxycycline 100 mg caps = I started off with one cap in the morning and another one on the night and took prebiotics in between the two dosages. After 2 months on that dosage, I switched to 100mg Doxy = 1 cap per day as a maintenance dosis. I will take it until the very last mite has died.

Nothing feels infested anymore. My house is almost mite-free, or let's say the mites are hardly bothering me and if they do occasionally, the bites are not as nasty as they used to be. It is just a very mild pin-prick now.

I wish everybody here would just start taking anti-fungals and abx. I used to have the same problem like many others here, thinking that this is just an external issue. Infact it is an internal issue and once you address the issue, you will notice a huge difference almost straight away. Infact I did and I am so grateful that my life is back to normal again... not 100 %, but 99.9 :-)

Once you start taking the meds, bye-bye heavy cleaning !!!

Good luck to you and do let us know how it goes.

Von: g_mrrsn <g_mrrsn@...>An: bird mites Gesendet: 0:40 Montag, 16.Januar 2012Betreff: Anti fungals and abx

Hi Aggie,I haen't been here for a while. Been in hospital 3X this past year.Would you give us specific details about the anti fungals you took as well as the abx's. I sure would appreciate it. I have been struggling with mites and mite bites for a long time now. They are in everything in the house including books and papers. I am not strong enough to do heay cleaning, but could take some stuff orally.Thanks for your help.g_mrrsn

January 16, 2012

Yes I have, just responded ;-)

Von: "Goldstein@..." <Goldstein@...>An: bird mites Gesendet: 18:54 Montag, 16.Januar 2012Betreff: Re: Anti fungals and abx

I know Aandraya used Itraconazole and now is on something else. Not sure what that is. Also I believe Aggi used Itraconazole too.

From: "g_mrrsn" <g_mrrsn@...>bird mites Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 3:40:01 PMSubject: Anti fungals and abxHi Aggie,I haen't been here for a while. Been in hospital 3X this past year.Would you give us specific details about the anti fungals you took as well as the abx's. I sure would appreciate it. I have been struggling with mites and mite bites for a long time now. They are in everything in the house including books and papers. I am not strong enough to do heay cleaning, but could take some

stuff orally.Thanks for your help.g_mrrsn------------------------------------

January 16, 2012

Hi Aggi

Thank you for explaining that.. I must have brain fog!

I get it.. One of the reasons I asked was because I'm trying to convince my mum to get on the doxycycline - she said she wants to see how I improve with it.. so I suppose I am a guinea pig )

I will be patient.. yesterday, I really started to believe that there was an end in sight and it felt fantastic - so I will be doing all I can to get better - and I don't think I will ever take anything for granted ever again.

Thanks again

Kaz x

From: Aggi Assmann <aggi_assmann@...>"bird mites " <bird mites > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 9:58 PMSubject: Re: Anti fungals and abx

1+2) Yes, they do. Mites thrive perfectly on mold, fungus and bacteria and one or the other must be in our bodies, that attracts them in the first place

and as long as the source is not eliminated, they will keep bothering us. This is why they only torture certain people and can not be transmitted.

I for example had a skin fungus when the infestation happened back in summer 2009.

I also took olive leave extract capsules, but for me they did not work as in keeping the mites off me. What I did notice was the fact, that I felt very healthy and energized at the time.

Try to be a little bit more patient Kaz and let the Doxy work in your body. If I remember well, I started feeling a noticeable difference after about 1 week.

3) Once they are no longer attracted to us, meaning their food source is been taken away, they will die off eventually. Obviously cleaning and hoovering does support the process. Remember that they also feed on dander. Exfoliation plus keeping the skin moist and supple I have also found helpful.

Von: Kaz <kazk1@...>An: "bird mites " <bird mites > Gesendet: 20:58 Montag, 16.Januar 2012Betreff: Re: Anti fungals and abx

Hi Aggi & Aandraya

I ordered the doxycycline and am now on my 3rd day - not sure I've noticed much of a difference yet, hopefully will soon though - I'm also taking oil of oregano/olive leaf extract, as an anti fungal.

There is a couple of things I wanted to ask - I know these have probably been answered before, but my brain is like cotton wool at the moment :o/

1) When we start taking doxycycline or other abx, do the mites stop bothering and biting us?

2) Why do they stop?

3) If taking doxycycline and anti fungals, would we need to eradicate the mites, or would they die out on their own?

Thanks

Kaz x

From: Aggi Assmann <aggi_assmann@...>"bird mites " <bird mites > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 6:12 PMSubject: Re: Anti fungals and abx

Yes I have, just responded ;-)

Von: "Goldstein@..." <Goldstein@...>An: bird mites Gesendet: 18:54 Montag, 16.Januar 2012Betreff: Re: Anti fungals and abx

I know Aandraya used Itraconazole and now is on something else. Not sure what that is. Also I believe Aggi used Itraconazole too.

From: "g_mrrsn" <g_mrrsn@...>bird mites Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 3:40:01 PMSubject: Anti fungals and abxHi Aggie,I haen't been here for a while. Been in hospital 3X this past year.Would you give us specific details about the anti fungals you took as well as the abx's. I sure would appreciate it. I have been struggling with mites and mite bites for a long time now. They are in everything in the house including books and papers. I am not strong enough to do heay cleaning, but could take some stuff orally.Thanks for your help.g_mrrsn------------------------------------

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January 16, 2012

I want people to know that I obsessed about my body- skin, hair and environmental cleaning for MONTHS before I started Lyme treatment and all these issues started to resolve. I have no more bugs at all, and am still treating Lyme and coinfections. The whole bug infestation left me somewhat traumatized- like PTSD though it is getting better. That is why I keep telling people to get help for Lyme, if you catch it and treat before you get too sick it is MUCH easier to treat. I say bugs because I saw collembola, never actually saw mites so I don't know if that's what they were, but my car and living areas were infested.AandrayaOn Jan 16, 2012, at 5:01 PM, Aggi Assmann <aggi_assmann@...> wrote:

Well done , Zoe's report has always been one of the most heartening posts for me in combination with Aandraya's 'mantra'': This is an internal issue!

Von: "Goldstein@..." <Goldstein@...>An: bird mites Gesendet: 23:50 Montag, 16.Januar 2012Betreff: Re: Anti fungals and abx

I knew Aandraya was on the right track when she first came to birdmites, telling all of us of her experiences. Zoe and Rose both recovered almost 100% after doing doxy (although I know Zoe took other things too). She didn't really start to improve until she started taking abx, after years with birdmites. She also had the resources to try many things that most of us here haven't been able to try. But here is one of her last emails to the group:

Hi all, (from Zoe aka Dorie)It's been several months now since my husband and I have had any symptoms at all. We've have people at our home all summer and been gradually letting go of all the rituals to prevent mite bites and kill them. Our clothing is back in our dressers, we sleep in our bed as we did previous to the bird mite infestation.We will never know if the bite mites are gone for good... because it is a mysterious situation to say the least. They gradually disappeared from our lives over time. The last bite I had was in my car ~6 months ago. So we suffered from mysterious microscopic clear bird mites for 2 1/2 years in total. They lived in our home and we seemed to leave a trail of them where ever we went. The most horrifying part was that they infected us with some microorganism which attracted biting bites to us

where ever we went. It was just like having scabies except that it didn't go away with medical tx and the bites never bite us in the places where scabies bite and the bites rarely even itched. Instead the bites were like the prick of a sharp needle and left what looked like tiny red hard spider bites all over our bodies, which frequently lasted for months and months. Something about 1 bite seemed to attack more bites to the area. We had several of these bites biopsied because the MD's were concerned it may be a contagious folliculiis rather than mites. 4 out of 4 biopsies over 2 years came back as bites. So what may have helped us beat this mite mare:* Months of doxycycline 3 times per day, alternated with Months of Bactim DS 2 times per day* Spraying white vinegar and then spraying hydrogen peroxide on the bites frequently.* Rubbing benzyl peroxide into our skin every place where bites had been until completely healed.*

Sterifab on things that could not be treated with vinegar, then peroxide,* Sterilizing every possible part of our house and car every way possible for over 2 years.*Colon cleanses 1 time a month*Ironing all clothes and linens after washing*Stick carpet tape around bedWhat did not help:* Diet changes (only temporary help, no lasting help)* Supplements (only temporary help, no lasting help)* Dr. Staninger's protocol (HUGE waste of money and energy/time)*IR saunas* Roache Proof* Internal vinegar* Internal baking powder*homeopathics (only temporary help, not a cure)*Baths with different cures (only temporary)* a million other things tried because we followed every possible suggestion no matter how expensive or time consuming*heating the house (temporary)* CO2 in the cars (temporary)

From: "Aggi Assmann" <aggi_assmann@...>bird mites Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 2:44:32 PMSubject: Re: Anti fungals and abx

I know Aandraya, your case seems to be one of the most severe, but, most importantly, you are getting better. I am so happy for everyone who does !!

I have also learnt so many things of you, which I can pass on to other people here. That is also something good :-)

Von: Aandraya <aandraya@...>An: "bird mites " <bird mites > Gesendet: 23:35 Montag, 16.Januar 2012Betreff: Re: Anti fungals and abx

Aggi-

So great to hear. Some people recover very quickly. I did not, it's taking a long time as I had multiple deep seeded very virulent infections.

Aandraya

On Jan 16, 2012, at 12:11 PM, Aggi Assmann <aggi_assmann@...> wrote:

Hi G,

I do remember you and am very sorry that you have been to hospital several times. Was it mite-related or for different reasons ? Here are the details you requested:

Itraconazole (anti-fungal) 100 mg caps = I took 1 cap in the morning and another one on the night for about 2 months and noticed a huge difference after a couple of days already ! The mites were far less interested in biting me,

followed by abx

Doxycycline 100 mg caps = I started off with one cap in the morning and another one on the night and took prebiotics in between the two dosages. After 2 months on that dosage, I switched to 100mg Doxy = 1 cap per day as a maintenance dosis. I will take it until the very last mite has died.

Nothing feels infested anymore. My house is almost mite-free, or let's say the mites are hardly bothering me and if they do occasionally, the bites are not as nasty as they used to be. It is just a very mild pin-prick now.

I wish everybody here would just start taking anti-fungals and abx. I used to have the same problem like many others here, thinking that this is just an external issue. Infact it is an internal issue and once you address the issue, you will notice a huge difference almost straight away. Infact I did and I am so grateful that my life is back to normal again... not 100 %, but 99.9 :-)

Once you start taking the meds, bye-bye heavy cleaning !!!

Good luck to you and do let us know how it goes.

Von: g_mrrsn <g_mrrsn@...>An: bird mites Gesendet: 0:40 Montag, 16.Januar 2012Betreff: Anti fungals and abx

Hi Aggie,I haen't been here for a while. Been in hospital 3X this past year.Would you give us specific details about the anti fungals you took as well as the abx's. I sure would appreciate it. I have been struggling with mites and mite bites for a long time now. They are in everything in the house including books and papers. I am not strong enough to do heay cleaning, but could take some stuff orally.Thanks for your help.g_mrrsn

January 16, 2012

Hi Aandraya

I'm taking 100mg in the morning and then 100mg in the evening - not sure I can handle anymore than that at present.

Kaz x

From: Aandraya <aandraya@...>"bird mites " <bird mites > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:15 PMSubject: Re: Anti fungals and abx

How much Doxy are you taking? Bacteriocidal dose is minimum 200mg 2 x a day. Bacteriostatic dose is 100mg 2 x a day.

Aandraya

On Jan 16, 2012, at 3:58 PM, Aggi Assmann <aggi_assmann@...> wrote:

1+2) Yes, they do. Mites thrive perfectly on mold, fungus and bacteria and one or the other must be in our bodies, that attracts them in the first place

and as long as the source is not eliminated, they will keep bothering us. This is why they only torture certain people and can not be transmitted.

I for example had a skin fungus when the infestation happened back in summer 2009.

I also took olive leave extract capsules, but for me they did not work as in keeping the mites off me. What I did notice was the fact, that I felt very healthy and energized at the time.

Try to be a little bit more patient Kaz and let the Doxy work in your body. If I remember well, I started feeling a noticeable difference after about 1 week.

3) Once they are no longer attracted to us, meaning their food source is been taken away, they will die off eventually. Obviously cleaning and hoovering does support the process. Remember that they also feed on dander. Exfoliation plus keeping the skin moist and supple I have also found helpful.

Von: Kaz <kazk1@...>An: "bird mites " <bird mites > Gesendet: 20:58 Montag, 16.Januar 2012Betreff: Re: Anti fungals and abx

Hi Aggi & Aandraya

I ordered the doxycycline and am now on my 3rd day - not sure I've noticed much of a difference yet, hopefully will soon though - I'm also taking oil of oregano/olive leaf extract, as an anti fungal.

There is a couple of things I wanted to ask - I know these have probably been answered before, but my brain is like cotton wool at the moment :o/

1) When we start taking doxycycline or other abx, do the mites stop bothering and biting us?

2) Why do they stop?

3) If taking doxycycline and anti fungals, would we need to eradicate the mites, or would they die out on their own?

Thanks

Kaz x

From: Aggi Assmann <aggi_assmann@...>"bird mites " <bird mites > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 6:12 PMSubject: Re: Anti fungals and abx

Yes I have, just responded ;-)

Von: "Goldstein@..." <Goldstein@...>An: bird mites Gesendet: 18:54 Montag, 16.Januar 2012Betreff: Re: Anti fungals and abx

I know Aandraya used Itraconazole and now is on something else. Not sure what that is. Also I believe Aggi used Itraconazole too.

From: "g_mrrsn" <g_mrrsn@...>bird mites Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 3:40:01 PMSubject: Anti fungals and abxHi Aggie,I haen't been here for a while. Been in hospital 3X this past year.Would you give us specific details about the anti fungals you took as well as the abx's. I sure would appreciate it. I have been struggling with mites and mite bites for a long time now. They are in everything in the house including books and

papers. I am not strong enough to do heay cleaning, but could take some stuff orally.Thanks for your help.g_mrrsn------------------------------------

January 16, 2012

Kaz- some people feel worse on antibiotics before they get better. It's called the Herxheimer effect.AaOn Jan 16, 2012, at 5:05 PM, Kaz <kazk1@...> wrote: