Re: Re: Never had any problems with infections b4 mites!!

[Guest guest]

I never had any chronic infections nor did my strapping young 20 year old. But when the 3 yucky bird nests fell into the bathroom, and the fleas swarmed all over and spread throughout the place with the dead yukky baby birds and the landlord sprayed and sprayed until they were gone, that's when the problems started for almost a year although we could seen nothing, we kept getting bit.

From: Aandraya <aandraya@...>"bird mites " <bird mites > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 12:41 PMSubject: Re: Re: regarding animal planet info that had been sent

Only people with serious chronic infections attract bugs to their body. I had a severe case(not that we all don't) and I never passed them even to my boyfriend, nor my daughter or anyone.

Aandraya

On Jan 16, 2012, at 9:11 AM, Sad Girl <wherearetheangels@...> wrote:

Hi AaYes I understand what ur sayin re the co infections not bein contagiousBut when im around folk n get crawly itch I feel disgusting!!!N I think the bites are still mite bites so if mites on me how come they dont afect folk close to me?I guess cos their immunity better?Still feels horrid to be around people like this!:-(C------------------------------On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 21:32 PST Aandraya wrote:>C->You are not contagious. Trust me on that. I did think the same though so I do get it.>Aa>>>>On Jan 14, 2012, at 1:39 PM, Sad Girl <wherearetheangels@...> wrote:>>> >> Yes

teresa>> This is the worst thing most of us have ever experienced>> A friend says she scared to hug me>> Fair enough but hurts!>> Another said...wont c me til I have diagnosis n im not contagious!!!>> I said ...>> I dont need a doctor to tell me>> I will know when my body has healed!>> I got told....>> Thats what all the mentaly ill say!!!>> >> I was furious>> He said it was a joke>> But in horid taste as my doctor freakin out at me too!:-(>> Got told by my friend today I have to be positive>> Im sick of people makin comments>> When I still am bitten>> Crawly itch>> Lost home village possesions best friend cat three weeks ago>> N im suposed to be mary bloody poppins!!!!>> People dont have a clue!!!>> Ur life gets taken away!:-(>> Its

hard>> N yeah we fight>> N we woll continue to fight>> But its very lonely>> N a sad n difficult thing to go through for us all>> Lots of love to everyone suffering this>> From>> C>> >> ------------------------------>> On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 10:19 PST wrote:>> >> >I agree. I wish I could take what you said and email that to the Animal>> >Planet producers. We are human beings with feelings who have lost>> >possesions, had to move, lost so many things, things displaced, etc. and>> >are labeled as crazy b/c of what happened to us.>> >>> >Help me Lord to be understanding when misunderstood.>> >>> >On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 5:53 AM, Sad Girl <wherearetheangels@...>wrote:>> >>> > **>> >>> >>> >>> > So many of these programmes are sensationalist>> > They dont give a shit about answers or helping the people suffering the>> > problem>> > Often these programmes are not for the benefit if the suffererers but for>> > the cosy people snuggled up safe in their houses ...without the problem!>> > So the mite free can say..>> > Thank god I dont have that...poor.souls!!!>> > Or even worse....>> > That person must be obsessive/nuts/crazy/mad/ott>> > Etc etc>> > I agree krys the word...obsesses is not

sympathetic!!!>> > My doctor said she worry as I too extreme throwin nearly everythin out>> > So I said...>> > Have u looked it up in internet?>> > Do u know how awful this is?>> > Not just for me>> > But for many others!!!>> > She hadnt even looked it up>> > But assumed LOTS of things about my bloody mental health instead!>> > People can be reactionary about things they dont understand>> > They label people cos makes it easier for them to deal with!>> > Insensitive sensationalist programmes would only hurt our cause>> > Make us feel further alienated>> > And misunderstood>> > Intelligent reporting with sensitivity,tact n empathy n awareness is few n>> > far between in this harsh world we live in!>> > We need sensationalism...like we need a bolt in

the head!!!>> > We have suffered enough!!!!>> > C>> >>> > ------------------------------>> >>> > On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 19:50 PST deedee wrote:>> >>> > >>> > >i really don't care if it hurts my mind set or not.. So all i want to>> > hear is 1 on 1 accounts so excuse me . Ive been in this and i do care what>> > i hear because maybe it will help...Question? Why would it hurt me?????>> > been through all that crap... What are you afraid of??? im just looking for>> > answers......>> > >>> > >>> > > > **>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > There was absolutely nothing on bird mites, but was an interesting>> > show on>> > > > ticks recluse spiders and bedbugs... i really get disappointed when>> > people>> > > > post things that are not true... If someone knows a true bird mite>> > show>> > > > then let me know...>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > -->> > >>> > > I

keep six honest serving-men>> > > (They taught me all I knew);>> > > Their names are What and Why and When>> > > And How and Where and Who.>> > >>> > > *Rudyard Kipling*>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>

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Hi

I was healthy as could be when the dog got dignosed with cheylatia mites, and the squirells in the back yard , in the park 60 miles away, at the job site 2 miles away and and my relatives 34 miles away all had mange.

This is a bug , kill it it will die.

wash and clean reduce to a clean clear house,

I spray everything with 2 tbls coconut oil and 48 oz of warm water , it stops the bug dead, I repeat.

Arm and hammer powdersoap is a good detergent at 1 cup per gallon to use.

Soaking in the tub kills them too, borax draws them out well 1-2 cups in the bath works wonders wit h1/8 cup dawn soap to drown the floaters after 30 mins of a turbulent bath , then rinse, and filll tub again , add 2 tbl cococnut oil and sok for 5-10 mind ,it puts a shield on the skin and stopped all crawling now for 2.5 years or so .

The computer is like anything else I handle so it gets full of the bug, I put it in a 2.5 gal ziplock and add c02 from a $5.00 per month 20 gallon rental tank that costs $12.78 to fill. I add the gas with a hose adapter to the ziplock like I am filling a ballon real slow then zip the ziplock tight, and place the laptop in a 5 gallon bucket when not in use. It works , c02 in high concentration arrsts bugs and kill them after a few hours. Dont breathe c02 when it is in a high of a concentration from the tank it is too rich for the for the kidneys to process thus causes kidney damage if inhalled, I do all my gasing outside or in the back room where there is a fan to ventilate the small amount i use to fill a 2.5 gal hefty ziplock. I will never gas my house , it is too hard to get the gas out of the basement or crawl space. It is very posoinous in high concentrations * ( see note below about a caver, or a miners view of c02)

Baking soda also stops them on the laptop, it has not hurt my laptop yet, 1 year I have been powdering the laptop with a handfull thrown at the keys, bugs cant manuver around the baking soda.

Thereare many way to live hospital clean , I employ all the tactics I can to remove the bug from all that I am around. It is a battle, but we are made in the image of God, we have dominion over every living creature,

Thru prayer cleaning and oiling surfaces the bug cannot win, you will

I rarley get bit now , but if I do I apply the perode mix* ( see below for ingredients and testimony from a poster afficted as long as me ) which stops the itch in 30 seconds to 3 mins

Fumigation : good list 6/29/09

http://www.fao.org/docrep/X5042E/x5042E01.htm

Other ways that have been found effective in preventing and controlling infestations are as follows:

1. Sanitation.2. Exclusion of pests.3. Low temperature - "freeze-outs", refrigeration, aeration.4. High temperature - heating of mills.5. Moisture control - grain drying.6. Aeration - cooling, drying, elimination of temperature gradients.7. Protectants - chemicals, inert dusts, natural compounds.8. Residual or contact insecticides.9. Atmospheric gases - carbon dioxide, nitrogen.10. Gamma radiation, radio and sonic waves, microwaves, infra-red radiation.11. Pheromones.12. Insect growth regulators. 13. Insect pathogens.14. Predators.15. Insect resistant packaging. 16. Resistant varieties.

An effective integrated pest management system should begin with comprehensive planning to include all aspects of the problem, followed by the application of preventive and control methods...

* The perxide mix and story repasted

http://www.earthclinic.com/Pets/dog_mange_cure.html

The mix: 2 tblspns borax (20 mule team Borax laundry booster16 oz peroxide (3%) 32 oz water.mix it , and the borax nuetralizes the peroxide, it is painless & the is no fizz or bruning from this mix & it is cheap

If they are deep ones I use 8tblspns borax (20 mule team Borax laundry booster8 oz peroxide (3%)8 oz water.

From: Doe <doe1769@...>Subj: FW: Fw: BoraxDate: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:55:34 -0800 (PST)Size: 16k

*c02

http://wasg.iinet.net.au/Co2paper.html

CARBON DIOXIDE, CAVES and YOU By Garry K. © 1997 Member of the Newcastle & Hunter Valley Speleological Society - NSW Australia. and the Australian Speleological Federation.

Condensed from a comprehensive paper by Garry, presented at the 21st biennial Australian Speleological Federation conference 1997 (published in the proceedings) and an article published in the 1993 Australian Caver No. 133, Pages 20-23. For more detailed information refer to these papers.

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is the body's regulator of the breathing function. It is normally present in the air at a concentration of 0.03% by volume. Any increase above this level will cause accelerated breathing and heart rate. A concentration of 10% can cause respiratory paralysis and death within a few minutes. In industry the maximum safe working level recommended for an 8 hour working day is 0.5% .

Caves often contain elevated levels of Carbon Dioxide (CO2), consequently cavers may be putting themselves at risk without really knowing the full potential danger. A cave atmospheres containing greater than 1% Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is called Foul Air. This is the most likely hazard to be encountered in deep limestone caves with relatively still atmospheres. Having said that, one must be aware that there are many caving areas around Australia, where Foul Air is not a significant problem. To the novice caver the first encounter with foul air is often a frightening experience. Typically there is no smell or visual sign associated with foul air and the first signs are increased pulse and breathing rates. Higher concentrations of CO2 lead to clumsiness, severe headaches, dizziness and even death. Experienced foul air cavers can notice a dry acidic taste in their mouth, however the average caver may not notice this effect. Because an elevated CO2 concentration in caves, corresponds to a depletion in O2, cavers have for many years used the naked flame test to determine whether the cave atmosphere contained an elevated level of CO2. The naked flame test involves lighting a match or cigarette lighter in the cave air, or carrying a burning candle into a suspected foul air area of the cave and the flame would extinguish when a particular concentration was reached. This test has in the past been widely accepted by the caving fraternity as a fairly accurate indications of percentage concentrations. During January 1997, I undertook extensive testing in controlled atmospheres which revealed that the Naked Flame Test is not a reliable test of CO2 concentrations, other than to indicate that the cave atmosphere is most likely dangerous to human life. In fact the naked flame is only measuring the O2 concentration

and the CO2 has such a small influence over combustion that it can be ignored within the concentration range found in caves. For example a 1% increase in CO2 concentration will raise the O2 concentration required to support combustion of a given fuel by less than 0.05% O2 . Without sophisticated measuring instruments a caver cannot determine the CO2 concentration as the flame test only measures a lack of oxygen. To make things really complicated, it is not the lack of Oxygen which is the real danger in the majority of cave atmospheres, but the elevated CO2 concentration.

Elements required for Combustion

Most people are aware that before combustion can occur, three conditions must be satisfied. 1. There must be a fuel or substance which can be burnt. 2. The fuel must be heated to its ignition temperature. That is the lowest temperature at which combustion can begin and continue. 3. There must be enough oxygen to sustain combustion, either in the surrounding air or present in the fuel. Without going into the subject too deeply, one can see that the naked flame test is actually measuring the concentration of O2 required to sustain combustion of various fuels, such as the match, butane cigarette lighter fluid or paraffin candle wax. The results are shown in the table below.

Table 1. Condition of flame in relation to percentage of oxygen in the controlled atmosphere.

Match

Candle

Butane Cigarette lighter

21% - 18% easily burns all of match .

>19% normal flame.

17.5% Burns head and flame transfers down paraffin to wooden splint on most occasions

17% - 16.5% burns with elongated flame.

17% - 16.5% ignited head and on nearly every occasion, burns down onto paraffin coating then extinguishes.

16.5% - 16% flame begins to shrink, but candle remains alight.

16% - 15.5% ignited head just ignites paraffin coating on splint (some matches only)

16% burns slowly with small flame

15% - head burns briefly with whispery flame & goes out.

< 15.0%, A burning paraffin candle is extinguished.

> 15% O2, A Butane Cigarette Lighter can easily be lit and will stay alight.

14.5% - weak blue flame with orange top, just stays alight

<14.25% - Flame will extinguish

14% match head burns very briefly & goes out. (burns due to the O2 in potassium chlorate contained in the head.)

14% - 13% Large flashes of flame but will not stay alight.

<13% head flares & extinguishes immediately (less than 0.5 seconds)

12.5% sparks with partial ignition, small fireballs

<10% - no ignition, only hot sparks from flint.

Footnote on Safety Matches Wooden "Safety" matches are generally made of poplar wood, which is dried to reduce moisture content to below 7%, then the "splint" is treated with an anti-afterglow solution (retardant) which prevents embers from forming after a flame is blown out. The second stage in production is dipping approximately 10 mm of the tip end into paraffin. This provides a base to carry the flame from the head to the wood. Then the tip (sometimes called a bulb) is added. Some match manufacturers add a final chemical coating that protects the match from moisture in the air.

Interesting phenomena with cigarette lighter in O2 deficient air.

A cigarette lighter when lit in an atmosphere which will support combustion of butane will burn with the flame extending directly from the jet. When this lit cigarette lighter is slowly lowered into an atmosphere that will not support combustion (lower O2, higher CO2 concentration), an interesting phenomena occurs. The flame will magically stay burning where the atmosphere will support combustion, just above the interface between the high and low CO2 concentration, while the lighter is several centimetres below the interface. In the CO2 Pit of Gaden Cave (WE-2) NSW Australia, a demonstration by Mike Lake showed that the flame extended to about 100 mm above the lighter as it was gradually lowered into the higher concentration in the Pit. At one stage a 25mm high flame flickered some 75 mm away from the lighter. Because of the low concentration of O2 (proportional to high concentration of CO2) there was no flame for the first 75mm out from the lighter jet. This phenomena can not occur with the other solid fuels, such as matches and candles, as the heat from the flame is required to vaporise the volatiles which then burn.

HOW CO2 GETS INTO CAVES.

It is a proven fact that CO2 enters caves by several methods. Each method has a bearing on the gas ratio composition of the cave atmosphere and its variation to that of the above-ground atmosphere. The two main methods in which CO2 gets into caves are:- 1. CO2 is absorbed by the ground water as it passes through surface soil containing high concentrations of the gas, due to the decay of vegetation. This water percolates through the rock strata and enters the cave system, usually taking part in the calcite deposition cycle. In this instance the addition of extra CO2 to the cave atmosphere displaces O2 and nitrogen (N2). 2. Secondly, CO2 may be a by-product of organic and micro-organism metabolism or respiration by fauna such as bats or humans. Simply the oxygen concentration is reduced in proportion to the increase in CO2. The N2 concentration stays constant. 3. The other factor which one has to consider is that in deep caves where air movement is minimal, CO2 will build up in the lower part of the cave. So, even though the CO2 may have entered the cave by one of the two above mentioned methods, a very still cave atmosphere may allow CO2 to sink to the deepest part of the cave and displace O2 and N2. Thus building up the concentration of CO2 to a higher concentration, at the lowest point in the cave. Even though CO2 is 1.57 times heavier than nitrogen and 1.38 times heavier than O2, it will have a tendency to disperse in an isolated volume of air, due to molecular diffusion. In other words a mixture of gasses will not separate into layers of various density gases if they are left for a long time in a still chamber. A possible explanation of the high concentration of CO2 in deep caves (with a relatively still atmosphere), is that CO2 is being produced metabolically or entering the cave via ground water at a greater rate than the gas can diffuse into the cave atmosphere, thus settling at the bottom of the cave because it is a dense gas.

EFFECTS OF CO2 ON HUMANS

As each persons body has a slightly different reaction and tolerance to stressful situations the following symptoms are general, however nobody is immune to the dangers of CO2.

Table 2. Generally accepted physiological effects of CO2 at various concentrations by volume.

Concentration

Comments

0.03%

Nothing happens as this is the normal carbon dioxide concentration in air.

0.5%

Lung ventilation increases by 5 percent. This is the maximum safe working level recommended for an 8 hour working day in industry (Australian Standard).

1.0%

Symptoms may begin to occur, such as feeling hot and clammy, lack of attention to details, fatigue, anxiety, clumsiness and loss of energy, which is commonly first noticed as a weakness in the knees (jelly legs).

2.0%

Lung ventilation increases by 50 percent, headache after several hours exposure. Accumulation of carbon dioxide in the body after prolonged breathing of air containing around 2% or greater will disturb body function by causing the tissue fluids to become too acidic. This will result in loss of energy and feeling run-down even after leaving the cave. It may take the person up to several days in a good environment for the body metabolism to return to normal.

3.0%

Lung ventilation increases by 100 percent, panting after exertion, Symptoms may include:- headaches, dizziness and possible vision disturbance such as speckled stars.

5 - 10%

Violent panting and fatigue to the point of exhaustion merely from respiration & severe headache. Prolonged exposure at 5% could result in irreversible effects to health. Prolonged exposure at > 6% could result in unconsciousness and death.

10 - 15%

Intolerable panting, severe headaches and rapid exhaustion. Exposure for a few minutes will result in unconsciousness and suffocation without warning.

25% to 30%

Extremely high concentrations will cause coma and convulsions within one minute of exposure. Certain Death.

Effects of O2 deficiency on Humans

If we consider an atmosphere consisting of just N2 and O2, where the O2 is at a lower concentration than the normal atmosphere, the human body would be affected in the following manner.

Table 3. Generally accepted physiological effects of reduced O2 concentrations.

O2% by volume.

Symptoms

reduced from 21 to 14%

First perceptible signs with increased rate and volume of breathing, accelerated pulse rate and diminished ability to maintain attention.

between 14 to 10%

Consciousness continues, but judgment becomes faulty. Rapid fatigue following exertion. Emotions effected, in particularly ill temper is easily aroused.

10 to 6%

Can cause nausea and vomiting. Loss of ability to perform any vigorous movement or even move at all. Often the victim may not be aware that anything is wrong until collapsing and being unable to walk or crawl. Even if resuscitation is possible, there may be permanent brain damage.

below 6%

Gasping breath. Convulsive movements may occur. Breathing stops, but heart may continue beating for a few minutes - ultimately death.

HOW THE HUMAN BODY GETS RID OF CO2.

The human body under average conditions inhaling air which contains approximately 21% oxygen and 0.03% carbon dioxide. The air breathed out of the lungs contains approximately 15% oxygen and 5.6% CO2. A person at rest inhales and exhales approximately 6 litres of air per. minute but in times of stress, this may increase to more than 100 litres per minute. The CO2 level in the blood is an important stimulus to respiration. Nerve receptors in the aorta near the heart and in the carotid artery that goes to the brain, monitor changes in the CO2 in the body. If the amount of CO2 in the blood increases, both the rate and depth of breathing increases. Changes in oxygen levels are also monitored, but the receptors are not as sensitive to changes in oxygen as to CO2. The exchange of the two gases (CO2 and oxygen) takes place in the lungs by diffusion across the walls of the air sacs (alveoli). Oxygen from inspired air diffuses across the lining of the air sacs and enters the circulation, while carbon dioxide moves in the opposite direction. Then the gases are transported between cells and the lung by the blood circulation. The principle by which diffusion occurs dictates that a gas in high concentration will move to an area of relatively low concentration, until an equilibrium is reached. This enables CO2 in the body at a higher concentration to diffuse to the inhaled air. Humans expire air during normal breathing, composed of approximately 5.6% CO2 and 14 to 15% oxygen. This is sufficient to revive a person with Expired Air Resuscitation. (EAR).

WHAT TO DO WHEN ENCOUNTERING CO2.

A test should be made as soon as foul air is suspected and if a naked flame test fails, then all members of the party should immediately exit the cave in an orderly manner without panicking. Inexperienced cavers in the group should be especially watched and guided to the entrance. When undertaking vertical pitches in caves suspected of foul air the first person down should make thorough checks for CO2. Besides carrying ascenders, a safety belay is a wise option in the event that the first person down may be overcome when suddenly descending into an area of high concentration. A safety belay should be mandatory with all pitches where a ladder is more than just a hand-hold. Cavers should only enter areas of foul air during special circumstances, such as search and rescue operations, exploration and scientific work. Under these circumstances special precautions should be taken to ensure the safety of the group. For more information regarding safety precautions refer to ASF Cave Guidelines.

CONCLUSION

If sophisticated measuring equipment is not available, the best advice is to carry out a "Naked Flame Test" when you or a member of your group experiences the first signs of labored breathing, headaches, clumsiness, loss of energy or any of the other signs associated with elevated concentrations of CO2. Ideally cavers should use a cigarette lighter flame. This will reduce the amount of unpleasant fumes emitted from matches burnt by people experimenting in the confines of a cave. The best advice is, "If in doubt, get out", in an orderly manner. Laboratory tests have proven that combustion of a match, candle or butane cigarette lighter will cease at about 14.5% to 15% concentration of oxygen. Twenty one percent (21%) being the oxygen concentration in normal atmosphere. Bearing in mind that humans on average breath out air containing 15% oxygen and this is enough to revive a person using mouth to mouth resuscitation. In fact humans can survive in an atmosphere containing 10% oxygen, so when the flame test just fails it is still measuring an atmosphere containing enough oxygen to survive. The real danger is the carbon dioxide concentration which is the main trigger for the human body to increase the breathing rate. Prolonged exposure to a concentration of just 5 or 6% may be enough to cause suffocation. In the majority of cases, if a person has any of the symptoms of elevated carbon dioxide levels, a simple naked flame test will fail to ignite. This is a sure sign of foul air and it is time to get out. Carbon dioxide when treated with respect is no worse than the other dangers in caves. Despite the possible dangers, caving is still safer than driving a motor vehicle, which most of us take for granted. Comments are most welcome. Direct to Garry K. via Electronic mail at smith.garry.gk@... or by snail mail to "5 Fourth St Seahampton 2286, NSW Australia"

God bless you ,

Bill

The Lord He is a man of war, Praise His holy name.

Many are the afflictions of the rightoues but the Lord will deliver them of them all

Fw: BoraxDate: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 2:50:18From: fritolay66 <fritolay66@...> <bird mites >

I have a reason for posting this, that will come. For now, there is good info here. I have used this on myself and is what healed my first two craters of simmering hell on my arms way back when. I will remind you those lesions were on the order of 7cm long and 5 cm wide. Substitute human for dog. There is a great explanation of the usefulness of H202, vinegar, and borax. The actions of Borax can also be applied to the environment. This will also tell you on how Borax works to kill and also addresses toxicity issues. Also, remember, H202 is a penetrant and very effective. Frito >> >>> > >>> > >i really don't care if it hurts my mind set or not.. So all i want to>> > hear is 1 on 1 accounts so excuse me . Ive been in this and i do care what>> > i hear because maybe it will help...Question? Why would it hurt me?????>> > been through all that crap... What are you afraid of??? im just looking for>> > answers......>> > >>> > >>> > > > **>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > There was absolutely nothing on bird mites, but was an interesting>> > show on>> > > > ticks recluse spiders and bedbugs... i really get disappointed when>> > people>> > > > post things that are not true... If someone knows a true bird mite>> > show>> > > > then

let me know...>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > -->> > >>> > > I keep six honest serving-men>> > > (They taught me all I knew);>> > > Their names are What and Why and When>> > > And How and Where and Who.>> > >>> > > *Rudyard Kipling*>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>