Candida

[Guest guest]

Hi Gene,

This is what I've heard about candida & biotin.

Yes, I've read somewhat the same info you state below.

Biotin seems to be the major ingredient in candida formulas, along with some

acids; caprylic, having to do with changing the ph balance in the intestines

if I understood right.

Also, an herb; Pau D'Arco seems to have an effect on the fungus.

Recovery program:

1) Rest, sleep, sunshine, peace of mind, conductive healing environment,

diet, supplements.

(not as easy as it seems)

I have found some psychological changes/adjustment very important.

2) High fiber diet, oat bran, flax, pysillium, check for wheat

sensitivities, etc.

3) Suppliments include:

Lactobacillus acidophilus

(personally I'd include a larger variety of flora -SBO)

Biotin - 300mcg 3X daily (a natural B-vit I think)

Olive oil - 2-tsp. 3 X daily

4) No refined foods, sugars, ect.

After growth is arrested:

1) zinc 30-50 mg /day

2) vit A 25,000- 30,000 units/day

3) vit E 400-800 IU /day

4) vit B5 200-1000mg/day

Hope this helps- wishing all well.

jal.

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you wrote:

This

>can be prevented by taking 300-900 mcg/daily of biotin.

>Does anyone else know of this reaction?

>

>Gene Downey

>

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

It will, but they don't have a generator.

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Re: Candidas

>From: Alan & worth <charlesworth@...>

>

>Saul wrote:

>==============================

>

>Re: Candidas

>

>Dear Jacqui,

>

>Don't give up hope.

>

>Try acidophilous dissolved in water in your ears.

>

>Try Agrisept.

>

>Try H2O2 baths.

>

>Continue the ozone treatments.

>

>Do a liver cleanse.

>

>Best of Health!

>Saul Pressman

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>Saul,

>

>That is interesting - acidophilis dissolved in water in

>the ears - I guess I thought ozone insufflations in the ears

>would take care of any candida in ears ?????

>No????

>

>

>

>

>---------------------------

[Guest guest]

First off, I want to thank everyone for the feedback and support w/ my

candidas situation. Thank-you! Jacqui

Matt,

The question as to what is candidas is a big one. I can only speak to my own

experience with it. Due to several years of taking antibiotics and steriods

for sinus problems I developed the candidas. Unfortunatly I did not know

what was wrong w/ me and kept going back to my reg. ENT and got put on more

drugs.

I learned about candidas from my midwife after I had my son. I was

breastfeeding him and he kept getting thrush. She put me on a strict diet

and suggested I read the " Yeast Connection " . That was 3 years ago.

My symptoms have been: Fatigue, sensitivity to auto fumes and chemicals,

psoriasis, foggy feeling, poor memory, low grade fever, fungus on hands and

feet, losing toe nails, constipation, and ringing in my ears etc. I

discovered that the candidas had gone systemic since I had had it for so

long. There is also a whole issue about " leaky gut " which is caused by

candidas where food does not get digested and leaks from the colon into your

body. This is a most serious problem as toxins get into your body and cause

many food allergies.

I spent three months researching on the internet about candida and recommend

doing so for yourself.

UPDATE: I am still getting the ozone IV and am now doing detox by colon

therapy and liver cleanse. I am doing the H2O2 baths etc. Feeling much

better! Saul, what is Agrisept?

Jacqui

[Guest guest]

Can anyone on the list describe the symptoms of Candida. I presume it can be

systemic or localised. What does it actually feel like?

[Guest guest]

> Can anyone on the list describe the symptoms of Candida. I presume it can be

> systemic or localised. What does it actually feel like?

When I thought I had probably had a lot of trouble with candida I was

operating my digestive tract like a still. Combining foods that would

ferment, etc. I did later have a candida immune complexes test from AAL

Reference Labs I had the highest normal amount after Christmas

temptations. I had been through a period of time trying to whack it

down by various methods, so it wasn't out of control as it had been at

one time, before I really got into trying to better my diet. J.

[Guest guest]

I have found a very interesting book that covers this subject well. I would

recommend it to those out there with this problem and for some other problems

like acid reflex. The name of it is Probiotics Nature's Internal Healers by

Natasha Trenev. It is published by Avery Publishing Group. I know we all

have seen information in regard to this but this is the best research book I

have seen on this.

Gene Downey

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/23/99 2:54:48 PM Central Daylight Time,

jlambert@... writes:

<< From: Jim Lambert <jlambert@...>

Edith,

We all have candida, but yes, I have systemic candida. Hmmm. something to

think about.

jim

>>

Jim,

The NA I use is treating a friend of mine. He lives in Washington and we

live in Texas but we consult by phone. He travels all over the world giving

schools for self help and how to

help others from a holistic view.

My friend has extreme thyroid problems.(low temp) My daughter is a nurse and

this lady sees the MD she works for so we know how extreme her problem is.

She also suffers from systemic candida. While we were on the phone with the

NA, we told him about all her problems which are many, extreme fatigue,

constipation and the list goes on and on.

He said that when she gets the candida under control that her thyroid will

kick right in,

which will in turn help the other problems.

He can be reached by phone if you are interested. ( Don't think hot dogs and

bacon and eggs are on the diet he suggests. ha )

Edith

[Guest guest]

When I made the earlier post about the ND in Washinton State, I wrote NA.

Sorry about the mistake...I was talking with my husband...shows I can't do 2

things at one time. ;~)

Edith

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/25/99 9:03:31 AM Central Daylight Time,

jlambert@... writes:

<< Edith,

What is his treatment? Diet, or what? Don't go into too much detail, just

briefly. >>

He does advocate juicing and a vegan diet . He even thinks fruit after the

first 2 weeks of treatment are good for the colon broom effect. Uses

several herbs and oxegen things(homozone etc). You call call him. He

doesn't charge a fee and you will be amazed at his knowledge.

Edith

[Guest guest]

Edith,

What is his treatment? Diet, or what? Don't go into too much detail, just

briefly.

I eat hot dogs because when I'm on the street, I can at least assimilate

something from them. The Bacon, well that is relatively new in returning to my

diet. ;-) I think I'll go cook some now for bekkies.

jim

> Jim,

> The NA I use is treating a friend of mine. He lives in Washington and we

> live in Texas but we consult by phone. He travels all over the world giving

> schools for self help and how to

> help others from a holistic view.

> My friend has extreme thyroid problems.(low temp) My daughter is a nurse and

> this lady sees the MD she works for so we know how extreme her problem is.

> She also suffers from systemic candida. While we were on the phone with the

> NA, we told him about all her problems which are many, extreme fatigue,

> constipation and the list goes on and on.

> He said that when she gets the candida under control that her thyroid will

> kick right in,

> which will in turn help the other problems.

> He can be reached by phone if you are interested. ( Don't think hot dogs and

> bacon and eggs are on the diet he suggests. ha )

>

> Edith

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[Guest guest]

Dear Debbie,

Try Agrisept, which is extracted from citrus, and has been quite useful for

dealing with candida.

Best of Health!

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Re: JUICERS/Vita-Mixers

>From: Debbie Mc <lullwatr@...>

>

>A vegetarian doctor once told me that I should not jump in and eat

>totally raw or I could do serious harm, even kill myself if I am

>really toxic. He said to start more slowly. Anyone agree?

> I just have a Juiceman and I fight candida so that means I should

>not have beets or carrots and that puts a real dent in it. Also have

>leaky gut and should not eat the same thing in any four days so that

>puts a real dent in it:). I just kind of ignore that four day thing

>and sometimes I have beets Deb

>--

>

>

> Debbie Mc

>

> mailto:lullwatr@...

>

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[Guest guest]

cn you please tell me where i c an find this AGRISEPT??????? thnks you

Jena L.Try Agrisept, which is extracted from citrus, and has been quite

useful for

dealing with candida.

[Guest guest]

It is my understanding that Agrisept is sold through MLM. Most health food

stores carry a brand named Nutri-Biotic. They are processed grapefruit seed

extract, not to be confused with grape seed extract which is an anti-oxidant.

jim

JanieJonez@... wrote:

> From: JanieJonez@...

>

> cn you please tell me where i c an find this AGRISEPT??????? thnks you

> Jena L.Try Agrisept, which is extracted from citrus, and has been quite

> useful for

> dealing with candida.

>

> ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Sorry about the Agrisept question, list. I hadn't worked down the list

far enough from newest to oldest.

Blessings,

Zell

[Guest guest]

Dear Tangerine,

Try Agrisept from Essentially Yours Industries. It has a good track record

against candida.

Best of Health!

Saul Pressman

RE: Good News about ozone IV treatments

> >

> >Dear Jacqui,

> >

> >This technique is known as major autohemotherapy and is widely practiced

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> >

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> >

> >

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> >

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[Guest guest]

Hey Peggy & Tim,

The MEVY diet is based on the idea of starving the candida in your

system by not allowing it enough sugar to maintain the acid condition

required for it to survive...essentially re-balancing your body pH from acid

to ALkaline. In this effort, I might also suggest supplementing with

colloidal silver (very alkaline) and or zinc on a daily basis. Keeping in

mind also that strong alkalinizing agents like silver and zinc will also kill

some beneficial intestinal bacteria, so it is important throughout a natural

candida treamtne to add beneficial bacteria to your diet and supplement list.

w/peace

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> > I've been told via surrogate testing that I have rampant candida. The

> MEVY diet was recommended as a temporary approach to getting it under

> control. MEVY means meat, eggs, vegetables (except potatoes, corn,

> carrots, beets) and yogurt (plain only). No fruit or juices, no grains, no

> beans (except green beans), no dairy, no herb teas, no mushrooms, no

> vinegar or green olives. So this is a pretty restrictive diet, even if

> it's only for a short time. Obviously the goal is to starve the candida to

> death, but what about me? I won't starve, but I won't exactly enjoy myself

> either. Does anyone have any experience with an initial, dramatic attack

> against candida to bring it down quickly? I'm not whining--I'll do the

> diet. But I thought I might get some help from the group. Thanks.

> >

> > Peggy

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Peggy,

Sbo's in the gut naturally control candida unless there is not enough.

So, take 2-3 capsules of an acidophilus type product, 3 times a day.

Also, empty a cap in some water, stir, and put about 10 drops in each

ear, one at a time. Lie still for 10 minutes on each side before moving

around. Do this twice a day.

If you do nothing else, this will be a good beginning.

jim

Tim and/or Peggy Walters wrote:

>

> I've been told via surrogate testing that I have rampant candida. The MEVY

diet was recommended as a temporary approach to getting it under control. MEVY

means meat, eggs, vegetables (except potatoes, corn, carrots, beets) and yogurt

(plain only). No fruit or juices, no grains, no beans (except green beans), no

dairy, no herb teas, no mushrooms, no vinegar or green olives. So this is a

pretty restrictive diet, even if it's only for a short time. Obviously the goal

is to starve the candida to death, but what about me? I won't starve, but I

won't exactly enjoy myself either. Does anyone have any experience with an

initial, dramatic attack against candida to bring it down quickly? I'm not

whining--I'll do the diet. But I thought I might get some help from the group.

Thanks.

>

> Peggy

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks, Jim. Does it matter if the probiotic is taken on an empty stomach? I

have Inner Garden Flora by R-Garden which says empty stomach, but I have PB8 by

Nutrition Now which doesn't say that.

Also, the PB8 says 14 billion good bacteria per capsule (5 types of beneficial

bacteria). At that concentration do you still recommend the dose of 2-3 caps

three times a day? Thanks again.

Peggy

[Guest guest]

Vilik, can the Great Smokies tests reveal candida? I didn't think any standard

medical tests could do that. Secondly, I've read that candida doesn't confine

itself to the gut. Especially if you've taken large doses of antibiotics, as I

have, you can end up with a leaky gut, and the unhealthy things can go through

that and invade the rest of the body. So you can have candida all over the

place. Would that also mean that you can take lots of probiotics to eliminate

the candida in the gut, and still have it elsewhere in the body?

The info on inulin and sauerkraut looks great. I've just started reading Sally

Fallon's book " Nourishing Traditions, " so I'm beginning to look at things like

sauerkraut as very good additions to the diet. But I've just finished the

chapter on protein and she's very negative about protein powders, including whey

powder. Are you talking about some form of whey different from the powders sold

as protein powder?

Thanks again. I'm thrilled at the prospect of finding something workable

besides the MEVY diet.

Peggy

[Guest guest]

A nice link for info RE: candida!

be well!

ron

http://www.bodyecologydiet.com/candi.html

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

A few thoughts and questions. #1 What does " a good diet " mean to you? What is

she eating? #2 I have read about, heard about, and seen once chronic,

recurrent candida overgrowth be strongly influenced by high Mercury levels. I'm

going by memory here, but supposedly, the candida absorbs/ or takes up the

mercury in some way, and so the body allows it to overgrow as some sort of

protective mechanism. The lesser of two evils I guess. Bottom line is if

mercury is present the candida will keep coming back unless it's taken care of.

Again this is just a theory I've heard. #3 I used Can Albex once a couple years

ago, and it seemed to work very well. Seroyal has a protocol for its use, but

they used to have more potencies than they do now. Each potency was used in

succession, after a certain period of time, but I don't recall the timing.

Anyway, if you call seroyal, I think they'll tell you. It worked well, the

patient's condition improved and would only return when she ate high sugar/high

carb foods. #4 I caution anyone in using the term " systemic candidiasis " . This

is an emergency situation in which live candida organisms have gotten into the

blood, and created a systemic infection. The candida antigen/antibody complex

test is just measuring antigens/toxins made in the gut, which are then absorbed

into the body, and the body's reaction (antibody creation) to that. OK I think

that's all I've got.

Aloha,

Chong

[Guest guest]

> Gail, Obie here. I read your post to The Great One about MSM

taking out Candida and wish you'd say more about that

=============

Hi Obie,

Nice to hear from you. " The Great One " ??? Well, I think Jim is a

prime example of just how very delicate and fragile we human beings

really are. Life can so often turn with the flip of a dime,

suspended by just a thread. Here today and gone tomorrow as we just

experience with the loss of the little baby I mentioned in my other

post. BTW, many, many thanks to all who responded to that post. It

is greatly appreciated!!!

I first heard of MSM from a friend of mine that almost died, from

none other than pneumonia, herself. It started with strep throat,

which she took antibiotics for. Had it several times, then the

antibiotics weakened her immunse system and she came down with

pneumonia, which they gave her even more antibiotics for, which lead

to an overgrowth of candida, which the combination of the two almost

killed her. Somehow she heard of a guy who was into alternative

things and he got her on MSM plus various other supplements. But it

was the MSM that he said was good for her candida. She started out

with only 1/2 tsp. twice a day and increased to l tlb. twice daily,

which she still takes to this days. I actually know very little

about as to how it kills off the overgrowth, but will quote from a

newsletter I get.

" MSM (methyl sulfonyl methane) (CH3)2SO2 - Sulfur in this organic

form is the way your body recognizes it. MSM is meant to be the

third largest ingredient in all living things and without it you

cannot build the Sulfur elastic protein bonds between cells, hence,

wrinkles and emphysema. MSM helps balance the body's pH, GETS RID OF

YEAST INFECTION, coats the intestinal tract so that parasites cannot

grab hold. MSM makes the cells of the body permeable so the

nutrients can enter and toxins can leave. MSM feeds the hair

follicles and nails, softens the skin and lenses of the eyes. MSM

and other minerals strengthen and rebuild the arteries and the heart

and dissolve arterial plaque. (At about the same time I ran into my

friend that had recovered from pneumonia/candida by taking the MSM, I

also ran into another friend that had just had a heart attack and was

also taking MSM!). I got the message! <grin>

[Guest guest]

> Gail, Obie here. I read your post to The Great One about MSM taking

out Candida and wish you'd say more about that. I may have a candid

problem and am looking for a way to overcome it. I'm taking 200 mgs

of Acidophilus twice per day but I'd like something I know works.

What do you know about MSM for it, please. Obie.

>

Here is some candida info:

http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

autism/files/neutrophils.html

best wishes,

Moria

not Gail.

[Guest guest]

Obie;

There's an awful lot of information and many success stories on the

candidiasis list of 1500 people

candidiasis

They're using Threelac, controlled diet, a couple of probiotics

acidophilus and bifidobacteria, sugar-free inulin to feed the new

culture, and a few herbal blends, and even coconut oil.

A few unfortunates with systemic candida are also using antifungals

off and on.

Duncan

>

>

> Gail, Obie here. I read your post to The Great One about MSM taking

> out Candida and wish you'd say more about that. I may have a candid

> problem and am looking for a way to overcome it. I'm taking 200 mgs

> of Acidophilus twice per day but I'd like something I know works.

> What do you know about MSM for it, please. Obie.

[Guest guest]

Candida

> Gail, Obie here. I read your post to The Great One about MSM taking out

Candida and wish you'd say more about that. I may have a candid problem and am

looking for a way to overcome it. I'm taking 200 mgs of Acidophilus twice per

day but I'd like something I know works. What do you know about MSM for it,

please. Obie.

Obie,

Dr. Young has put together his " BALANCE PACK " of Inner Light products

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