Re: Re: Wisconsin Lyme group

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Yes. I have his book and have read Dr. Zhang's book "Lyme Disease and Modern Chinese Medicine." I don't know of anyone who has used Dr. Zhang's methods 100%. Aandraya probably knows of some people who have used it exclusively. I don't know how well it would rate in terms of efficacy. Are you thinking about trying it?From: "miteymaid" <emccallny@...>bird mites Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 9:05:12 AMSubject: Re: Wisconsin Lyme groupIs anyone familiar with dr. Zhang and Chinese herbs?>> Elissa and Aandraya > > > I joined the Wisconsin Lyme group a long time ago... I can't get their email which is strange, but I still get their Digest which I look at all the time. But I'm not able to comment because it is a Digest that comes into my email already published. So much good information there and people are down to earth, unlike the California Lyme group which tends not to be and I like it far less. > > > I think Aandraya's idea to join the Wisconsin Lyme group is helpful, especially for families. I just wish I knew how to change my membership so that I can get the email again and not just the Digest. > > > >------------------------------------

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I wish I knew statistically how well TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine) works miteymaid. I just wish we all knew. I wish Aandraya would comment on this. I know she has and is taking some herbals currently. Also want to know if in her opinion while treating if certain symptoms such as biting sensations seem to get worse for a while before they get better. I would how we could find out how well this therapy works. Any ideas? Or maybe a combination of Western Meds. Maybe Marie can comment on this as well with MMS.This is what Dr. Zhang uses for acute Bb infection and some coinfections: 1. Allicin capsule2. Coptis capsue3. HH capsule4. R-5081 capsule. They use 1 and 2 first and then a combination of the four capsules if not responding. These herbs are directed at Bartonella too, but they have a different treatment for Babesia. Allicin is good because it has a very small molecular weight, allowing it to easily penetrate the BBB (blood brain barrier) and making it suitable for CNS (central nervous system) infections. It is effective against bacteria, mycobacteria, fungi, protozoa and certain viruses. (this is info from the book).From: "miteymaid" <miteymaid@...>bird mites Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 10:23:06 AMSubject: Re: Wisconsin Lyme groupHe's nearby, although he doesn't take insurance. I asked his secretary if he was also aware of mites and she said he was. Don't really know what that means. I would bring my workup from the other doctors that show a band for Lyme and one for bartonella. I know these bugs beside being on me are definitely in my environment, but I'm not really making headway with spraying pesticide. I didn't react well to the Doxy, got acid reflux and thrush and didn't know how to deal. See now your suggestions for ginger or camomile tea and fluconazole, got those bad bites that last night but in hindsight think it was the Doxy working on the skin from the inside, drying stuff out and the mites didn't like it , so something was starting to happen, probably getting agitated and maybe starting to die. Thinking of KayJay's experience with the F's.But wasn't sure how to handle that either. Very painful bites. Don't really know how Chinese herbs would feel either, to work they'd have to be powerful and you don't always know what's in them that should't be there, quality control. > > > > Elissa and Aandraya > > > > > > I joined the Wisconsin Lyme group a long time ago... I can't get their email which is strange, but I still get their Digest which I look at all the time. But I'm not able to comment because it is a Digest that comes into my email already published. So much good information there and people are down to earth, unlike the California Lyme group which tends not to be and I like it far less. > > > > > > I think Aandraya's idea to join the Wisconsin Lyme group is helpful, especially for families. I just wish I knew how to change my membership so that I can get the email again and not just the Digest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > >

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Sorry about my cognition and typing. I just had a painful cortisone shot in right hand for trigger finger. May have to have a trigger finger release. Also am getting scheduled for left hand carpal tunnel release. I had right hand done already 7 years ago.From: Goldstein@...To: bird mites Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 12:14:45 PMSubject: Re: Re: Wisconsin Lyme group

I wish I knew statistically how well TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine) works miteymaid. I just wish we all knew. I wish Aandraya would comment on this. I know she has and is taking some herbals currently. Also want to know if in her opinion while treating if certain symptoms such as biting sensations seem to get worse for a while before they get better. I would how we could find out how well this therapy works. Any ideas? Or maybe a combination of Western Meds. Maybe Marie can comment on this as well with MMS.This is what Dr. Zhang uses for acute Bb infection and some coinfections: 1. Allicin capsule2. Coptis capsue3. HH capsule4. R-5081 capsule. They use 1 and 2 first and then a combination of the four capsules if not responding. These herbs are directed at Bartonella too, but they have a different treatment for Babesia. Allicin is good because it has a very small molecular weight, allowing it to easily penetrate the BBB (blood brain barrier) and making it suitable for CNS (central nervous system) infections. It is effective against bacteria, mycobacteria, fungi, protozoa and certain viruses. (this is info from the book).From: "miteymaid" <miteymaid@...>bird mites Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 10:23:06 AMSubject: Re: Wisconsin Lyme groupHe's nearby, although he doesn't take insurance. I asked his secretary if he was also aware of mites and she said he was. Don't really know what that means. I would bring my workup from the other doctors that show a band for Lyme and one for bartonella. I know these bugs beside being on me are definitely in my environment, but I'm not really making headway with spraying pesticide. I didn't react well to the Doxy, got acid reflux and thrush and didn't know how to deal. See now your suggestions for ginger or camomile tea and fluconazole, got those bad bites that last night but in hindsight think it was the Doxy working on the skin from the inside, drying stuff out and the mites didn't like it , so something was starting to happen, probably getting agitated and maybe starting to die. Thinking of KayJay's experience with the F's.But wasn't sure how to handle that either. Very painful bites. Don't really know how Chinese herbs would feel either, to work they'd have to be powerful and you don't always know what's in them that should't be there, quality control. > > > > Elissa and Aandraya > > > > > > I joined the Wisconsin Lyme group a long time ago... I can't get their email which is strange, but I still get their Digest which I look at all the time. But I'm not able to comment because it is a Digest that comes into my email already published. So much good information there and people are down to earth, unlike the California Lyme group which tends not to be and I like it far less. > > > > > > I think Aandraya's idea to join the Wisconsin Lyme group is helpful, especially for families. I just wish I knew how to change my membership so that I can get the email again and not just the Digest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > >

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I've used some of Dr. Zhang's herbs and I have his book Healing Lyme with Chinese Modern Medicine. His herbs are very potent and it was too expensive for me to continue on them at the necessary doses when I stopped working. I do have his artimisiae 2 right now but it's too strong for me at the moment- causes severe herxing. My first LLMD also had me on his Allicin and HH2- houtinuya. If you can afford them his stuff is great. AandrayaOn Feb 24, 2012, at 11:05 AM, miteymaid <emccallny@...> wrote:

Is anyone familiar with dr. Zhang and Chinese herbs?

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If you herxed on Doxy you'll also herx on the herbs. If you can afford Zhang's protocol I think it would be great. My doctor used it along with antibiotics.AaOn Feb 24, 2012, at 12:23 PM, miteymaid <miteymaid@...> wrote:

He's nearby, although he doesn't take insurance. I asked his secretary if he was also aware of mites and she said he was. Don't really know what that means. I would bring my workup from the other doctors that show a band for Lyme and one for bartonella. I know these bugs beside being on me are definitely in my environment, but I'm not really making headway with spraying pesticide. I didn't react well to the Doxy, got acid reflux and thrush and didn't know how to deal. See now your suggestions for ginger or camomile tea and fluconazole, got those bad bites that last night but in hindsight think it was the Doxy working on the skin from the inside, drying stuff out and the mites didn't like it , so something was starting to happen, probably getting agitated and maybe starting to die. Thinking of KayJay's experience with the F's.But wasn't sure how to handle that either. Very painful bites. Don't really know how Chinese herbs would feel either, to work they'd have to be powerful and you

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Zhang uses MCM modern, he does something with the herbs to get them to a more concentrated form- something like that. He only charges 200 for first appt, it's the herbs that were too much money for me to do long term.Aa On Feb 24, 2012, at 2:14 PM, Goldstein@... wrote:

I wish I knew statistically how well TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine) works miteymaid. I just wish we all knew. I wish Aandraya would comment on this. I know she has and is taking some herbals currently. Also want to know if in her opinion while treating if certain symptoms such as biting sensations seem to get worse for a while before they get better. I would how we could find out how well this therapy works. Any ideas? Or maybe a combination of Western Meds. Maybe Marie can comment on this as well with MMS.This is what Dr. Zhang uses for acute Bb infection and some coinfections: 1. Allicin capsule2. Coptis capsue3. HH capsule4. R-5081 capsule. They use 1 and 2 first and then a combination of the four capsules if

not responding. These herbs are directed at Bartonella too, but they have a different treatment for Babesia. Allicin is good because it has a very small molecular weight, allowing it to easily penetrate the BBB (blood brain barrier) and making it suitable for CNS (central nervous system) infections. It is effective against bacteria, mycobacteria, fungi, protozoa and certain viruses. (this is info from the book).From: "miteymaid" <miteymaid@...>bird mites Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 10:23:06 AMSubject: Re: Wisconsin Lyme groupHe's nearby, although he doesn't take insurance. I asked his secretary if he was also aware of mites and she said he was. Don't really know what that means. I would bring my workup from the other doctors that show a band for Lyme and one for bartonella. I know

these bugs beside being on me are definitely in my environment, but I'm not really making headway with spraying pesticide. I didn't react well to the Doxy, got acid reflux and thrush and didn't know how to deal. See now your suggestions for ginger or camomile tea and fluconazole, got those bad bites that last night but in hindsight think it was the Doxy working on the skin from the inside, drying stuff out and the mites didn't like it , so something was starting to happen, probably getting agitated and maybe starting to die. Thinking of KayJay's experience with the F's.But wasn't sure how to handle that either. Very painful bites. Don't really know how Chinese herbs would feel either, to work they'd have to be powerful and you don't always know what's in them that should't be there, quality control. > > > > Elissa and Aandraya > > > > > > I joined the Wisconsin Lyme group a long time ago... I can't get their email which is strange, but I still get their Digest which I look at all the time. But I'm not able to comment because it is a Digest that comes into

my email already published. So much good information there and people are down to earth, unlike the California Lyme group which tends not to be and I like it far less. > > > > > > I think Aandraya's idea to join the Wisconsin Lyme group is helpful, especially for families. I just wish I knew how to change my membership so that I can get the email again and not just the Digest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > >

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- careful with the steroids as they function by supressing the immune system.AaOn Feb 24, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Goldstein@... wrote:

Sorry about my cognition and typing. I just had a painful cortisone shot in right hand for trigger finger. May have to have a trigger finger release. Also am getting scheduled for left hand carpal tunnel release. I had right hand done already 7 years ago.From: Goldstein@...To: bird mites Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 12:14:45 PMSubject: Re: Re: Wisconsin Lyme group

I wish I knew statistically how well TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine) works miteymaid. I just wish we all knew. I wish Aandraya would comment on this. I know she has and is taking some herbals currently. Also want to know if in her opinion while treating if certain symptoms such as biting sensations seem to get worse for a while before they get better. I would how we could find out how well this therapy works. Any ideas? Or maybe a combination of Western Meds. Maybe Marie can comment on this as well with MMS.This is what Dr. Zhang uses for acute Bb infection and some coinfections: 1. Allicin capsule2. Coptis capsue3. HH capsule4. R-5081 capsule. They use 1 and 2 first and then a combination of the four capsules if not

responding. These herbs are directed at Bartonella too, but they have a different treatment for Babesia. Allicin is good because it has a very small molecular weight, allowing it to easily penetrate the BBB (blood brain barrier) and making it suitable for CNS (central nervous system) infections. It is effective against bacteria, mycobacteria, fungi, protozoa and certain viruses. (this is info from the book).From: "miteymaid" <miteymaid@...>bird mites Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 10:23:06 AMSubject: Re: Wisconsin Lyme groupHe's nearby, although he doesn't take insurance. I asked his secretary if he was also aware of mites and she said he was. Don't really know what that means. I would bring my workup from the other doctors that show a band for Lyme and one for bartonella. I know these

bugs beside being on me are definitely in my environment, but I'm not really making headway with spraying pesticide. I didn't react well to the Doxy, got acid reflux and thrush and didn't know how to deal. See now your suggestions for ginger or camomile tea and fluconazole, got those bad bites that last night but in hindsight think it was the Doxy working on the skin from the inside, drying stuff out and the mites didn't like it , so something was starting to happen, probably getting agitated and maybe starting to die. Thinking of KayJay's experience with the F's.But wasn't sure how to handle that either. Very painful bites. Don't really know how Chinese herbs would feel either, to work they'd have to be powerful and you don't always know what's in them that should't be there, quality control. > > > > Elissa and Aandraya > > > > > > I joined the Wisconsin Lyme group a long time ago... I can't get their email which is strange, but I still get their Digest which I look at all the time. But I'm not able to comment because it is a Digest that comes into my

email already published. So much good information there and people are down to earth, unlike the California Lyme group which tends not to be and I like it far less. > > > > > > I think Aandraya's idea to join the Wisconsin Lyme group is helpful, especially for families. I just wish I knew how to change my membership so that I can get the email again and not just the Digest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > >

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Yes, because he does not take insurance... From: "Aandraya" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 6:58:08 PMSubject: Re: Re: Wisconsin Lyme group

Zhang uses MCM modern, he does something with the herbs to get them to a more concentrated form- something like that. He only charges 200 for first appt, it's the herbs that were too much money for me to do long term.Aa On Feb 24, 2012, at 2:14 PM, Goldstein@... wrote:

I wish I knew statistically how well TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine) works miteymaid. I just wish we all knew. I wish Aandraya would comment on this. I know she has and is taking some herbals currently. Also want to know if in her opinion while treating if certain symptoms such as biting sensations seem to get worse for a while before they get better. I would how we could find out how well this therapy works. Any ideas? Or maybe a combination of Western Meds. Maybe Marie can comment on this as well with MMS.This is what Dr. Zhang uses for acute Bb infection and some coinfections: 1. Allicin capsule2. Coptis capsue3. HH capsule4. R-5081 capsule. They use 1 and 2 first and then a combination of the four capsules if

not responding. These herbs are directed at Bartonella too, but they have a different treatment for Babesia. Allicin is good because it has a very small molecular weight, allowing it to easily penetrate the BBB (blood brain barrier) and making it suitable for CNS (central nervous system) infections. It is effective against bacteria, mycobacteria, fungi, protozoa and certain viruses. (this is info from the book).From: "miteymaid" <miteymaid@...>bird mites Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 10:23:06 AMSubject: Re: Wisconsin Lyme groupHe's nearby, although he doesn't take insurance. I asked his secretary if he was also aware of mites and she said he was. Don't really know what that means. I would bring my workup from the other doctors that show a band for Lyme and one for bartonella. I know

these bugs beside being on me are definitely in my environment, but I'm not really making headway with spraying pesticide. I didn't react well to the Doxy, got acid reflux and thrush and didn't know how to deal. See now your suggestions for ginger or camomile tea and fluconazole, got those bad bites that last night but in hindsight think it was the Doxy working on the skin from the inside, drying stuff out and the mites didn't like it , so something was starting to happen, probably getting agitated and maybe starting to die. Thinking of KayJay's experience with the F's.But wasn't sure how to handle that either. Very painful bites. Don't really know how Chinese herbs would feel either, to work they'd have to be powerful and you don't always know what's in them that should't be there, quality control. > > > > Elissa and Aandraya > > > > > > I joined the Wisconsin Lyme group a long time ago... I can't get their email which is strange, but I still get their Digest which I look at all the time. But I'm not able to comment because it is a Digest that comes into

my email already published. So much good information there and people are down to earth, unlike the California Lyme group which tends not to be and I like it far less. > > > > > > I think Aandraya's idea to join the Wisconsin Lyme group is helpful, especially for families. I just wish I knew how to change my membership so that I can get the email again and not just the Digest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > >