Re: lyme n co infections

February 28, 2012

Yes,fourth nite lastnight,better during the day but when try sleep slight

fever,tingling all over my body,spasms in my stomach

Bites worse late at night after 12pm n itch

Tho not as severe as before doxy,feel bit less stabbing bites.

Hate that it so dificult to take meds

Just want to do this for three months n help cure whats aflicting me

But...at this rate I will be lucky with ten days!

Could I take for ten days

Have a week off

Then another ten

Anothee week off

Do that four times with 40 days supply

Would that help

?

Whats the most of a break the body should have when dosing

As my stomach is very unhapy wi doxy

But I am detetmined to keep taking as much as able as ive truly had enough of

these bites n will not live with this horribleness!!

I cant !

Just like,we all feel in the grip of it all!

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On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 13:36 PST Aandraya wrote:

>C- you started the doxy? I'm sure you are experiencing the Herxheimer effect-

upset stomach, hot/cold feelings in body(sometimes a fever present but not

necessarily, worsening of pain and/or new pain symptoms, worsening of biting

feelings, worsening of everything... This is due to the Doxy killing the

bacteria and will pass as you get your infection load down.

>

>Aa

>

>On Feb 26, 2012, at 7:18 AM, ILIKE TREES <wherearetheangels@...> wrote:

>

>>

>> Thanks

>> Aa

>> Just feel desperate for it to go is all,but know it two pronged attack

external n internal

>> I stll use lot external things,dettol helps flat,oxy help clothes,sulphur

pine soaps,coconu,clove,pine,orange etc for body

>> Msm tabs,diflucan too

>> Built up hope doxy can help

>> But have very bad stomach inflamation anyway

>> Caused by constant painkillers I was taking for a longtime for severe

condition

>> Cannot n do not take painkillers,now

>> But very bad inflamation starts,up vvv easily

>> Am takin zantac every ten hours for acid whilst taking doxy

>> However the doxy is realy hurting my stomach

>> Even with the zantac

>> Pain goin thru to back

>> Would love to lower dose to 100 mg a day but u say that wud be inefective

>> Felt feverish on it last night

>> Like a war going on

>> The bites under my handnails have not been as severe

>> But still bites on soles feet

>> Crawly sensation soles feet

>> And bites toes

>> If I cannot stomach the doxy

>> I do not know what I will then do?

>> But im not giving up the doxy yet

>> Also liquirice ginger csmomile slipery elm

>> Lots,of oats

>> Ah dear

>> Why is life always a struggle these days !!!

>>

>> ------------------------------

>> On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 17:11 PST Aandraya wrote:

>>

>> >C- Just to be clear, in my case I took a lot more than Doxy to get my

situation resolved- skin sores and bugs on me. I took multiple antibiotics and

herbs for the treatment of the three " B's " borrelia, bartonella and babesia.

After about 10 months I had no more bugs on me. Others here seem to get past it

quicker than I did.

>> >

>> >Aa

>> >

>> >On Feb 25, 2012, at 5:46 AM, ILIKE TREES <wherearetheangels@...>

wrote:

>> >

>> > Aggi

>> > Can u tell me again,how long did u take doxy 200 mg a day for?

>> > Now u are on maintainance dose of 100 mg ,arent you?

>> > Did u have pinprick bites quite bad before

>> > N doxy got rid of them!

>> > I remember u say it first thing help u live normal life again!

>> > After 2.6 yrs or thereabouts?

>> > Phew no wonder it worth weight gold for u

>> > And linda,n Aa,elissa etc too

>> > How long where u takin doxy before bites stopped?

>> > I wonder what everyones experience has been.

>> > Thanks.

>> >

>> > ------------------------------

>> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 05:09 PST Aggi Assmann wrote:

>> >

>> > >Hello C,

>> > >May I ask you where you ordered the Doxy and at what price ?

>> > >For me it was more precious than thousands of gold bars ;-)

>> > >Just hope it is going to help you as much !

>> > >

>> > >Von: ILIKE TREES <wherearetheangels@...>

>> > >An: bird mites

>> > >Gesendet: 23:39 Donnerstag, 23.Februar 2012

>> > >Betreff: Re: lyme n co infections

>> > >

>> > >Thanks Aa

>> > >Have stoped samento as herxed too.painfuly

>> > >Liked banderol

>> > >But runnin out

>> > >Will cut back n get more in two weeks then.if helps abx work better.

>> > >When would I take the banderol?

>> > >Just as usual before food?

>> > >I have three diflucan left

>> > >I usualy take one a week

>> > >Although u said it work on difrent fungus

>> > >Thought id try as v cheap

>> > >Will I continue to take them?

>> > >Thanks

>> > >Fingers crossed!

>> > >As the bites have realy deteriated.this week after I did more

treatments,bathing feet a lot topicaly

>> > >But wasnot bathing hands and pinprick bites skin under nails got much

worse too

>> > >V distressing

>> > >Hope is not mites

>> > >Hope doxy helps

>> > >Was very easy to buy internet

>> > >Expensive but worth weight in gold if helps!:-)

>> > >

>> > >------------------------------

>> > >On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 11:52 PST Aandraya wrote:

>> > >

>> > >C-

>> > >My gut issues actually eventually resolved on treatment, takes time

though. Bart especially is known to cause gut issues but the other infections

can as well. C- Hope you get some relief soon. Based on my experience and what

others have said I do believe the biting sensations and for sure the crawling

sensations are nerves malfunctioning. Lyme- borrelia with coinfections causes

massive inflammation which effects the nerves. Eventually these sensations

change to bad pain as the nerves loose their sheath, then it takes even longer

to heal. Don't forget this is going on in the brain as well and causes all kinds

of neuro-psych presentations. Treatment really does work. If you can keep doing

the samento and banderol, it helps the abx to work even better- per

Buhner- reknowned herbalist. You also need a good quality probiotic, take min 3

hrs away from abx, before bedtime is ideal.

>> > >

>> > >Aandraya

>> > >

>> > >On Feb 23, 2012, at 5:31 AM, ILIKE TREES <wherearetheangels@...>

wrote:

>> > >

>> > > Thanks Aa

>> > > Shall take two a day then!

>> > > Will eat plenty oats,

>> > > They soothe the tummy

>> > > And camomile peppermint tea!

>> > >

>> > > ------------------------------

>> > > On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 14:56 PST Aandraya wrote:

>> > >

>> > > >Oops I meant the 100 2 x a day is a standard starting dose. Most Lyme

docs start with the 200 2 x a day to hit the bacteria hard but for some the

herxing is too severe. I've done both doses. After a few days the stomach upset

went away.

>> > > >

>> > > >Aandraya

>> > > >

>> > > >On Feb 22, 2012, at 4:49 PM, Aandraya <aandraya@...> wrote:

>> > > >

>> > > > If you start a low doses the bacteria can build up resistance to it. A

low dose is 100mg 2 x a day- that is bacteriostatic- keeps them from

reproducing. Studies show 200mg 2x a day is bacteriocidal.

>> > > >

>> > > > Aandraya

>> > > >

>> > > > On Feb 22, 2012, at 4:44 PM, ILIKE TREES <wherearetheangels@...>

wrote:

>> > > >

>> > > > Well its 8 wks for malaria but actualy 100 mg a day

>> > > > I know folk here take two lots but I was ginna try 100 mg a day see how

I go

>> > > > Or wud I be better buyin capsules n splittin it,into 50 mg twice a day?

>> > > > I know I usualy get ill on meds so just wanna take it lightly!

>> > > > Thanks

>> > > > C

>> > > >

>> > > > ------------------------------

>> > > > On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 14:35 PST ILIKE TREES wrote:

>> > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >Thanks aggi

>> > > > >I will look into it

>> > > > >C

>> > > > >Iv changed to I like trees

>> > > > >As although im still sad its an akward name title to write to

companies etc in email!:-)

>> > > > >

>> > > > >Ordered 8 weeks doxy capsules

>> > > > >Fingers crossed my tummy will handle

>> > > > >Woll take ant acid two hour before n yogurt two hour before to help

tum lining

>> > > > >The herbs were not enough to stem this:-(

>> > > > >If doxy helps I shall be so grateful to folk on here!!!

>> > > > >I really really will!!!

>> > > > >

>> > > > >------------------------------

>> > > > >On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 13:14 PST Aggi Assmann wrote:

>> > > > >

>> > > > >Hi C,

>> > > > >

>> > > > >What also helps me as a spot-on spray on the skin, is isopropyl

alcohol, 70%. It kills the mites instantly. Fill into a small spray bottle and

whenever you feel a bite, spray it on, rub a bit and see/feel what happens. I

used to keep these little bottles in every room of the house. Now there is only

one bottle for emergency cases.

>> > > > >

>> > > > >________________________________

>> > > > >Von: " Goldstein@... " <Goldstein@...>

>> > > > >An: bird mites

>> > > > >Gesendet: 22:45 Dienstag, 21.Februar 2012

>> > > > >Betreff: Re: lyme n co infections

>> > > > >

>> > > > >Hi C

>> > > > >

>> > > > >My theory still stands. I believe we are getting bit, BUT the

attraction to the body is because of the fungal problems. Once bit we get

infections. Whatever is biting us is giving us Lyme, co-infections, mycoplasma,

whatever. Some people like Doris didn't get any co-infections or Lyme. So not

everyone gets it. She moved 3 times I think... and that did it for her, plus

sleeping in a bathtub full of water. It is all so perplexing because the

Bartonella does cause crawling sensations, scratch marks which are on the

surface, and stretch marks, again on the surface of the skin. Lyme disease also

causes similar sensations. I think the first time I was infected with Lyme

Disease was in the 80's bit while gardening. I got incredibly sick out of the

blue, developed what I called Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and for a long time,

months, I had a sensation of ants walking on the brain (inside the skull). I

think that was Lyme, although I did not get

>> > > > > treated for it because the testing was so inaccurate.

>> > > > >

>> > > > >These infections can cause things that appear on the outside of the

skin. I'll post a video I watched yesterday of a young woman who got bit by a

tick and developed LD. She was in her teens. If you view the video, you can see

has dozens of lesions on the skin. Very very sad story.

>> > > > >

>> > > > >I hope you can see this video.

>> > > > >

>> > > > >________________________________

>> > > > >From: " Sad Girl " <wherearetheangels@...>

>> > > > >bird mites

>> > > > >Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 1:32:18 PM

>> > > > >Subject: Re: lyme n co infections

>> > > > >

>> > > > >Hi all

>> > > > >I did,have fleas in my old flAt before the mites problem

>> > > > >Then I started gettin bit bad wi mites

>> > > > >One day I put on a pair of shoes and all my toes attacked

>> > > > >I took the shoes off n lots of tiny little dots attacking n biting my

toes

>> > > > >As soon as I picked them off

>> > > > >More appeared

>> > > > >And it went on n on for hours

>> > > > >My toes were under siege n they apeared out of nowhere

>> > > > >It was like a horror film

>> > > > >Cudnt believe it!

>> > > > >At that time I thought they must b somethin other than baby fleas

>> > > > >But I kidded self on they baby fleas

>> > > > >As I cudnt mentaly cope wi what was hapening

>> > > > >So

>> > > > >I did see them attack my feet

>> > > > >This,was august I think

>> > > > >Last year

>> > > > >I find it not a coincidence that the worst place for pinprick bites in

my body is still my feet n soles of feet

>> > > > >And that my toes were where they atacked

>> > > > >So

>> > > > >I wonder

>> > > > >...is the bites I feel now a nervous system reaction to what I went

through?

>> > > > >Tho that wudnt explain the crawly sensations n bites elsewhere

>> > > > >Or could it be that lyme symptoms or and co infection symptoms are

worse at the site where the person has been previously bitten?

>> > > > >No one has ever mentioned that.

>> > > > >Or did the mites lay eggs that r hatchin now even tho left property

two month ago?

>> > > > >If it isnt mites but it is co infections

>> > > > >How come when im bitten I get a tiny little red lump in my skin

directly afterwards?

>> > > > >Surely if internal it wudnt make external little red bumps?

>> > > > >Its all so confusing

>> > > > >N for some reason I have deteriated a lot regards bites this week

>> > > > >Could it be fibromyalgia?

>> > > > >Would that cause little red bumps?

>> > > > >Does bartonella cause little red bumps that disapear quite quickly

after the pinprick sensation?

>> > > > >Why is the medical system so ignorant about all this

>> > > > >And we all have go private meds

>> > > > >Its shocking!

>> > > > >Thanks for listening

>> > > > >Its a dificult thing to cure when not able aford medical assesments.

>> > > > >I shall get doxy capsules however.

>> > > > >Tc everyone

>> > > > >

>> > > > >------------------------------

>> > > > >On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 05:36 PST Sad Girl wrote:

>> > > > >

>> > > > >,

>> > > > >Thanks for being here also :-)

>> > > > >

>> > > > >------------------------------

>> > > > >On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 17:09 PST Goldstein@... wrote:

>> > > > >

>> > > > >It seems we are all in some stage of this... some of us have multiple

infections we are trying to cope with besides the Lyme and Bartonella and

Babesia... mycoplasma, Candida, etc. The list can go on and on, but it sure

helps to hear how everyone else is coping with your stage, your personal

struggles. It helps me enormously. How much of this is topical I'll probably

never know... Bill seems to think it is a bug and I can't deny there are not

bugs because most of us have found some of them. For me, I never found a bug,

only fibers and maybe a bug wrapped in a fiber. But it sure is something that

infests the house, whether it is a bug or not.

>> > > > >

>> > > > >Thanks for being there everyone.

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Re: meds

>> > > > >

>> > > > >Hi there

>> > > > >Thats realy good that doxy may have stopped pin pricking.

>> > > > >Do u think ur pin pricks were because of lyme infection n not mites?

>> > > > >My pin prick sensations have got worse recently

>> > > > >Today about thirty mostly big unpleasant sensations soles,of feet

>> > > > >Toes partic second n third toes in both feet

>> > > > >Even one on my arm,two on my legs

>> > > > >Last night they were bad too

>> > > > >Im extremely distressed

>> > > > >As got more agressive with treatment recently

>> > > > >Eg benzyol peroxide ten days all leg hands feet areas

>> > > > >Bathing feet with allsorts every night

>> > > > >And yet its got a lot worse

>> > > > >I am realy upset

>> > > > >Someone else said recently the more they did the worse it got

>> > > > >Do people get more pin pricks when they are herxing?

>> > > > >I recently bought two secondhand wardrobes to put my newly acquired

clothes,bedding into

>> > > > >Sprayed nylar inside

>> > > > >And yet so scared cant bring self to take things outa bin bags to put

into them!!!

>> > > > >I would be delighted mentaly if I knew the pinpricks were lyme or co

infections

>> > > > >Because every time im bitten

>> > > > >The thought that its a mite is makin me deeply unhappy!!

>> > > > >

>> > > > >------------------------------

>> > > > >On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 07:50 PST Linds J wrote:

>> > > > >

>> > > > >I very rarely post anything but do read all the emails when I have

time. I have been on Doxy 300 mg for 6 weeks now along with Diflucan once daily

and Nystatin 4 times daily. I haven't had crawlies in months. Pin pricks have

stopped as well. 2 days into Doxy I felt some burning which I think is herxing.

About 2 weeks into Doxy my joints have all been hurting as well as being

nauseous and light headed at times. The Doxy did not stop the crawlies for me as

that went away before I even went on it. However, it may have stopped the pin

pricking. I do have Lyme and possibly had it for 20 years.

>> > > > >

>> > > > >------------------------------------

>> > > > >

February 28, 2012

Aggi

Thanks

Yes glad u lots,better!:-)

This my fifth day doxy

Felt bit beter yesterday but had v bad night lastnight

Realy gnawing at my tummy lining

Take probiotic ant acid slipery elm

Stil hurts!

But detemined to continue for at leadt ten days before I have a break.

As noticed slight improvement in severity of pinprick sendations which is good

N im desperate to be honest for this to bugger off

The bites make me angry sometimes

I have sworn at them sometimes as I stumped my foot in anger into the ground to

get rid o the sensation hoping it is nerve damage but still very scared that its

still the mites

Tho I do not know!

Glad ur meds regime workin for u

U not get any discomfort?

------------------------------

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 12:46 PST Aggi Assmann wrote:

>Hi C,

>I started off with Itraconazole 200 mg per day, then switched to Doxy 200 mg

per day for about 1 1/2 months, went on holidays taking Itraconazole for 2

weeks, switched to Doxy 100 mg for a month or so and am now back on 200 mg per

day. As abx has always triggered fungus for me, I just take a round in between

the Doxy treatments. And yes, it is true, starting on the meds was the start

into a normal life for me after 2 years of sheer horror...

>Are you on Doxy now and how long ?

>

>________________________________

>Von: ILIKE TREES <wherearetheangels@...>

>An: bird mites

>Gesendet: 15:17 Sonntag, 26.Februar 2012

>Betreff: Re: lyme n co infections

>

>Ah thanks linda x sorry it a struggle for you also!:-(

>Yes I take a probiotic just before bed but like u woke in early hours

inflamation

>

>My friend said im bein destructive!

>And shudnt damage myself

>When I dont even.have a diagnosis o lyme

>But I have to try this!!

>Becaise all the symptoms I have n

>Cannot tolerate pin prick bites

>Easy for someone to comment who isnt going thru any of this!!

>The bites bring out post tramatic stress disorder in me

>Because even though I dont know whether it is still the mites

>I panic every time I m bit

>Because of the association with mites

>So can never rest my mind n feel secure with the bites going on

>You know?

>Will keep trying but the tummy is so not good!!!:-(

>Oh meow!!!!!

>

>------------------------------

>On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 05:43 PST Goldstein@... wrote:

>

>>I know how that feels, sometimes the treatment feels worse than the original

condition. So sorry C about your stomach situation. I have to remember to take

probiotics too and that helps the stomach and sleep. My sleep has been very

broken up and was up this morning again at 2:30 am. I was in a very low mood

yesterday, desperate too. When sleep is bad it gets worse. Believe me, I know

about inflammation. That's been a problem for me for years. Hang in there and I

will too.

>>

>>Hugs,

>>

>> Re: meds

>> > > >

>> > > >Hi there

>> > > >Thats realy good that doxy may have stopped pin pricking.

>> > > >Do u think ur pin pricks were because of lyme infection n not mites?

>> > > >My pin prick sensations have got worse recently

>> > > >Today about thirty mostly big unpleasant sensations soles,of feet

>> > > >Toes partic second n third toes in both feet

>> > > >Even one on my arm,two on my legs

>> > > >Last night they were bad too

>> > > >Im extremely distressed

>> > > >As got more agressive with treatment recently

>> > > >Eg benzyol peroxide ten days all leg hands feet areas

>> > > >Bathing feet with allsorts every night

>> > > >And yet its got a lot worse

>> > > >I am realy upset

>> > > >Someone else said recently the more they did the worse it got

>> > > >Do people get more pin pricks when they are herxing?

>> > > >I recently bought two secondhand wardrobes to put my newly acquired

clothes,bedding into

>> > > >Sprayed nylar inside

>> > > >And yet so scared cant bring self to take things outa bin bags to put

into them!!!

>> > > >I would be delighted mentaly if I knew the pinpricks were lyme or co

infections

>> > > >Because every time im bitten

>> > > >The thought that its a mite is makin me deeply unhappy!!

>> > > >

>> > > >------------------------------

>> > > >On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 07:50 PST Linds J wrote:

>> > > >

>> > > >I very rarely post anything but do read all the emails when I have time.

I have been on Doxy 300 mg for 6 weeks now along with Diflucan once daily and

Nystatin 4 times daily. I haven't had crawlies in months. Pin pricks have

stopped as well. 2 days into Doxy I felt some burning which I think is herxing.

About 2 weeks into Doxy my joints have all been hurting as well as being

nauseous and light headed at times. The Doxy did not stop the crawlies for me as

that went away before I even went on it. However, it may have stopped the pin

pricking. I do have Lyme and possibly had it for 20 years.

>> > > >

>> > > >------------------------------------

>> > > >

February 28, 2012

C- you might also notice other areas of the body twitching or having muscle spasms, tremors, and sometimes a buzzing/vibrating like feeling. If it's too much take a couple days off and resume when the symptoms lessen. You do usually have to get worse before you get better. A few don't herx but most do.Aa On Feb 28, 2012, at 6:35 AM, ILIKE TREES <wherearetheangels@...> wrote:

Yes,fourth nite lastnight,better during the day but when try sleep slight fever,tingling all over my body,spasms in my stomach

Bites worse late at night after 12pm n itch

Tho not as severe as before doxy,feel bit less stabbing bites.

Hate that it so dificult to take meds

Just want to do this for three months n help cure whats aflicting me

But...at this rate I will be lucky with ten days!

Could I take for ten days

Have a week off

Then another ten

Anothee week off

Do that four times with 40 days supply

Would that help

?

Whats the most of a break the body should have when dosing

As my stomach is very unhapy wi doxy

But I am detetmined to keep taking as much as able as ive truly had enough of these bites n will not live with this horribleness!!

I cant !

Just like,we all feel in the grip of it all!

------------------------------

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 13:36 PST Aandraya wrote:

>C- you started the doxy? I'm sure you are experiencing the Herxheimer effect- upset stomach, hot/cold feelings in body(sometimes a fever present but not necessarily, worsening of pain and/or new pain symptoms, worsening of biting feelings, worsening of everything... This is due to the Doxy killing the bacteria and will pass as you get your infection load down.

>

>Aa

>

>On Feb 26, 2012, at 7:18 AM, ILIKE TREES <wherearetheangels@...> wrote:

>

>>

>> Thanks

>> Aa

>> Just feel desperate for it to go is all,but know it two pronged attack external n internal

>> I stll use lot external things,dettol helps flat,oxy help clothes,sulphur pine soaps,coconu,clove,pine,orange etc for body

>> Msm tabs,diflucan too

>> Built up hope doxy can help

>> But have very bad stomach inflamation anyway

>> Caused by constant painkillers I was taking for a longtime for severe condition

>> Cannot n do not take painkillers,now

>> But very bad inflamation starts,up vvv easily

>> Am takin zantac every ten hours for acid whilst taking doxy

>> However the doxy is realy hurting my stomach

>> Even with the zantac

>> Pain goin thru to back

>> Would love to lower dose to 100 mg a day but u say that wud be inefective

>> Felt feverish on it last night

>> Like a war going on

>> The bites under my handnails have not been as severe

>> But still bites on soles feet

>> Crawly sensation soles feet

>> And bites toes

>> If I cannot stomach the doxy

>> I do not know what I will then do?

>> But im not giving up the doxy yet

>> Also liquirice ginger csmomile slipery elm

>> Lots,of oats

>> Ah dear

>> Why is life always a struggle these days !!!

>>

>> ------------------------------

>> On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 17:11 PST Aandraya wrote:

>>

>> >C- Just to be clear, in my case I took a lot more than Doxy to get my situation resolved- skin sores and bugs on me. I took multiple antibiotics and herbs for the treatment of the three "B's" borrelia, bartonella and babesia. After about 10 months I had no more bugs on me. Others here seem to get past it quicker than I did.

>> >

>> >Aa

>> >

>> >On Feb 25, 2012, at 5:46 AM, ILIKE TREES <wherearetheangels@...> wrote:

>> >

>> > Aggi

>> > Can u tell me again,how long did u take doxy 200 mg a day for?

>> > Now u are on maintainance dose of 100 mg ,arent you?

>> > Did u have pinprick bites quite bad before

>> > N doxy got rid of them!

>> > I remember u say it first thing help u live normal life again!

>> > After 2.6 yrs or thereabouts?

>> > Phew no wonder it worth weight gold for u

>> > And linda,n Aa,elissa etc too

>> > How long where u takin doxy before bites stopped?

>> > I wonder what everyones experience has been.

>> > Thanks.

>> >

>> > ------------------------------

>> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 05:09 PST Aggi Assmann wrote:

>> >

>> > >Hello C,

>> > >May I ask you where you ordered the Doxy and at what price ?

>> > >For me it was more precious than thousands of gold bars ;-)

>> > >Just hope it is going to help you as much !

>> > >

>> > >Von: ILIKE TREES <wherearetheangels@...>

>> > >An: bird mites

>> > >Gesendet: 23:39 Donnerstag, 23.Februar 2012

>> > >Betreff: Re: lyme n co infections

>> > >

>> > >Thanks Aa

>> > >Have stoped samento as herxed too.painfuly

>> > >Liked banderol

>> > >But runnin out

>> > >Will cut back n get more in two weeks then.if helps abx work better.

>> > >When would I take the banderol?

>> > >Just as usual before food?

>> > >I have three diflucan left

>> > >I usualy take one a week

>> > >Although u said it work on difrent fungus

>> > >Thought id try as v cheap

>> > >Will I continue to take them?

>> > >Thanks

>> > >Fingers crossed!

>> > >As the bites have realy deteriated.this week after I did more treatments,bathing feet a lot topicaly

>> > >But wasnot bathing hands and pinprick bites skin under nails got much worse too

>> > >V distressing

>> > >Hope is not mites

>> > >Hope doxy helps

>> > >Was very easy to buy internet

>> > >Expensive but worth weight in gold if helps!:-)

>> > >

>> > >------------------------------

>> > >On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 11:52 PST Aandraya wrote:

>> > >

>> > >C-

>> > >My gut issues actually eventually resolved on treatment, takes time though. Bart especially is known to cause gut issues but the other infections can as well. C- Hope you get some relief soon. Based on my experience and what others have said I do believe the biting sensations and for sure the crawling sensations are nerves malfunctioning. Lyme- borrelia with coinfections causes massive inflammation which effects the nerves. Eventually these sensations change to bad pain as the nerves loose their sheath, then it takes even longer to heal. Don't forget this is going on in the brain as well and causes all kinds of neuro-psych presentations. Treatment really does work. If you can keep doing the samento and banderol, it helps the abx to work even better- per Buhner- reknowned herbalist. You also need a good quality probiotic, take min 3 hrs away from abx, before bedtime is ideal.

>> > >

>> > >Aandraya

>> > >

>> > >On Feb 23, 2012, at 5:31 AM, ILIKE TREES <wherearetheangels@...> wrote:

>> > >

>> > > Thanks Aa

>> > > Shall take two a day then!

>> > > Will eat plenty oats,

>> > > They soothe the tummy

>> > > And camomile peppermint tea!

>> > >

>> > > ------------------------------

>> > > On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 14:56 PST Aandraya wrote:

>> > >

>> > > >Oops I meant the 100 2 x a day is a standard starting dose. Most Lyme docs start with the 200 2 x a day to hit the bacteria hard but for some the herxing is too severe. I've done both doses. After a few days the stomach upset went away.

>> > > >

>> > > >Aandraya

>> > > >

>> > > >On Feb 22, 2012, at 4:49 PM, Aandraya <aandraya@...> wrote:

>> > > >

>> > > > If you start a low doses the bacteria can build up resistance to it. A low dose is 100mg 2 x a day- that is bacteriostatic- keeps them from reproducing. Studies show 200mg 2x a day is bacteriocidal.

>> > > >

>> > > > Aandraya

>> > > >

>> > > > On Feb 22, 2012, at 4:44 PM, ILIKE TREES <wherearetheangels@...> wrote:

>> > > >

>> > > > Well its 8 wks for malaria but actualy 100 mg a day

>> > > > I know folk here take two lots but I was ginna try 100 mg a day see how I go

>> > > > Or wud I be better buyin capsules n splittin it,into 50 mg twice a day?

>> > > > I know I usualy get ill on meds so just wanna take it lightly!

>> > > > Thanks

>> > > > C

>> > > >

>> > > > ------------------------------

>> > > > On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 14:35 PST ILIKE TREES wrote:

>> > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >Thanks aggi

>> > > > >I will look into it

>> > > > >C

>> > > > >Iv changed to I like trees

>> > > > >As although im still sad its an akward name title to write to companies etc in email!:-)

>> > > > >

>> > > > >Ordered 8 weeks doxy capsules

>> > > > >Fingers crossed my tummy will handle

>> > > > >Woll take ant acid two hour before n yogurt two hour before to help tum lining

>> > > > >The herbs were not enough to stem this:-(

>> > > > >If doxy helps I shall be so grateful to folk on here!!!

>> > > > >I really really will!!!

>> > > > >

>> > > > >------------------------------

>> > > > >On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 13:14 PST Aggi Assmann wrote:

>> > > > >

>> > > > >Hi C,

>> > > > >

>> > > > >What also helps me as a spot-on spray on the skin, is isopropyl alcohol, 70%. It kills the mites instantly. Fill into a small spray bottle and whenever you feel a bite, spray it on, rub a bit and see/feel what happens. I used to keep these little bottles in every room of the house. Now there is only one bottle for emergency cases.

>> > > > >

>> > > > >________________________________

>> > > > >Von: "Goldstein@..." <Goldstein@...>

>> > > > >An: bird mites

>> > > > >Gesendet: 22:45 Dienstag, 21.Februar 2012

>> > > > >Betreff: Re: lyme n co infections

>> > > > >

>> > > > >Hi C

>> > > > >

>> > > > >My theory still stands. I believe we are getting bit, BUT the attraction to the body is because of the fungal problems. Once bit we get infections. Whatever is biting us is giving us Lyme, co-infections, mycoplasma, whatever. Some people like Doris didn't get any co-infections or Lyme. So not everyone gets it. She moved 3 times I think... and that did it for her, plus sleeping in a bathtub full of water. It is all so perplexing because the Bartonella does cause crawling sensations, scratch marks which are on the surface, and stretch marks, again on the surface of the skin. Lyme disease also causes similar sensations. I think the first time I was infected with Lyme Disease was in the 80's bit while gardening. I got incredibly sick out of the blue, developed what I called Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and for a long time, months, I had a sensation of ants walking on the brain (inside the skull). I think that was Lyme, although I did not get

>> > > > > treated for it because the testing was so inaccurate.

>> > > > >

>> > > > >These infections can cause things that appear on the outside of the skin. I'll post a video I watched yesterday of a young woman who got bit by a tick and developed LD. She was in her teens. If you view the video, you can see has dozens of lesions on the skin. Very very sad story.

>> > > > >

>> > > > >I hope you can see this video.

>> > > > >

>> > > > >________________________________

>> > > > >From: "Sad Girl" <wherearetheangels@...>

>> > > > >bird mites

>> > > > >Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 1:32:18 PM

>> > > > >Subject: Re: lyme n co infections

>> > > > >

>> > > > >Hi all

>> > > > >I did,have fleas in my old flAt before the mites problem

>> > > > >Then I started gettin bit bad wi mites

>> > > > >One day I put on a pair of shoes and all my toes attacked

>> > > > >I took the shoes off n lots of tiny little dots attacking n biting my toes

>> > > > >As soon as I picked them off

>> > > > >More appeared

>> > > > >And it went on n on for hours

>> > > > >My toes were under siege n they apeared out of nowhere

>> > > > >It was like a horror film

>> > > > >Cudnt believe it!

>> > > > >At that time I thought they must b somethin other than baby fleas

>> > > > >But I kidded self on they baby fleas

>> > > > >As I cudnt mentaly cope wi what was hapening

>> > > > >So

>> > > > >I did see them attack my feet

>> > > > >This,was august I think

>> > > > >Last year

>> > > > >I find it not a coincidence that the worst place for pinprick bites in my body is still my feet n soles of feet

>> > > > >And that my toes were where they atacked

>> > > > >So

>> > > > >I wonder

>> > > > >...is the bites I feel now a nervous system reaction to what I went through?

>> > > > >Tho that wudnt explain the crawly sensations n bites elsewhere

>> > > > >Or could it be that lyme symptoms or and co infection symptoms are worse at the site where the person has been previously bitten?

>> > > > >No one has ever mentioned that.

>> > > > >Or did the mites lay eggs that r hatchin now even tho left property two month ago?

>> > > > >If it isnt mites but it is co infections

>> > > > >How come when im bitten I get a tiny little red lump in my skin directly afterwards?

>> > > > >Surely if internal it wudnt make external little red bumps?

>> > > > >Its all so confusing

>> > > > >N for some reason I have deteriated a lot regards bites this week

>> > > > >Could it be fibromyalgia?

>> > > > >Would that cause little red bumps?

>> > > > >Does bartonella cause little red bumps that disapear quite quickly after the pinprick sensation?

>> > > > >Why is the medical system so ignorant about all this

>> > > > >And we all have go private meds

>> > > > >Its shocking!

>> > > > >Thanks for listening

>> > > > >Its a dificult thing to cure when not able aford medical assesments.

>> > > > >I shall get doxy capsules however.

>> > > > >Tc everyone

>> > > > >

>> > > > >------------------------------

>> > > > >On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 05:36 PST Sad Girl wrote:

>> > > > >

>> > > > >,

>> > > > >Thanks for being here also :-)

>> > > > >

>> > > > >------------------------------

>> > > > >On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 17:09 PST Goldstein@... wrote:

>> > > > >

>> > > > >It seems we are all in some stage of this... some of us have multiple infections we are trying to cope with besides the Lyme and Bartonella and Babesia... mycoplasma, Candida, etc. The list can go on and on, but it sure helps to hear how everyone else is coping with your stage, your personal struggles. It helps me enormously. How much of this is topical I'll probably never know... Bill seems to think it is a bug and I can't deny there are not bugs because most of us have found some of them. For me, I never found a bug, only fibers and maybe a bug wrapped in a fiber. But it sure is something that infests the house, whether it is a bug or not.

>> > > > >

>> > > > >Thanks for being there everyone.

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Re: meds

>> > > > >

>> > > > >Hi there

>> > > > >Thats realy good that doxy may have stopped pin pricking.

>> > > > >Do u think ur pin pricks were because of lyme infection n not mites?

>> > > > >My pin prick sensations have got worse recently

>> > > > >Today about thirty mostly big unpleasant sensations soles,of feet

>> > > > >Toes partic second n third toes in both feet

>> > > > >Even one on my arm,two on my legs

>> > > > >Last night they were bad too

>> > > > >Im extremely distressed

>> > > > >As got more agressive with treatment recently

>> > > > >Eg benzyol peroxide ten days all leg hands feet areas

>> > > > >Bathing feet with allsorts every night

>> > > > >And yet its got a lot worse

>> > > > >I am realy upset

>> > > > >Someone else said recently the more they did the worse it got

>> > > > >Do people get more pin pricks when they are herxing?

>> > > > >I recently bought two secondhand wardrobes to put my newly acquired clothes,bedding into

>> > > > >Sprayed nylar inside

>> > > > >And yet so scared cant bring self to take things outa bin bags to put into them!!!

>> > > > >I would be delighted mentaly if I knew the pinpricks were lyme or co infections

>> > > > >Because every time im bitten

>> > > > >The thought that its a mite is makin me deeply unhappy!!

>> > > > >

>> > > > >------------------------------

>> > > > >On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 07:50 PST Linds J wrote:

>> > > > >

>> > > > >I very rarely post anything but do read all the emails when I have time. I have been on Doxy 300 mg for 6 weeks now along with Diflucan once daily and Nystatin 4 times daily. I haven't had crawlies in months. Pin pricks have stopped as well. 2 days into Doxy I felt some burning which I think is herxing. About 2 weeks into Doxy my joints have all been hurting as well as being nauseous and light headed at times. The Doxy did not stop the crawlies for me as that went away before I even went on it. However, it may have stopped the pin pricking. I do have Lyme and possibly had it for 20 years.

>> > > > >

>> > > > >------------------------------------

>> > > > >

February 28, 2012

C-I am very sure you have Lyme and coinfections. 10 days of Doxy will barely touch this stuff. After you finishthe doxy maybe you could continue with herbal antimicrobials like samento, later go back to abx.Aa On Feb 28, 2012, at 6:44 AM, ILIKE TREES <wherearetheangels@...> wrote:

Aggi

Thanks

Yes glad u lots,better!:-)

This my fifth day doxy

Felt bit beter yesterday but had v bad night lastnight

Realy gnawing at my tummy lining

Take probiotic ant acid slipery elm

Stil hurts!

But detemined to continue for at leadt ten days before I have a break.

As noticed slight improvement in severity of pinprick sendations which is good

N im desperate to be honest for this to bugger off

The bites make me angry sometimes

I have sworn at them sometimes as I stumped my foot in anger into the ground to get rid o the sensation hoping it is nerve damage but still very scared that its still the mites

Tho I do not know!

Glad ur meds regime workin for u

U not get any discomfort?

------------------------------

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 12:46 PST Aggi Assmann wrote:

>Hi C,

>I started off with Itraconazole 200 mg per day, then switched to Doxy 200 mg per day for about 1 1/2 months, went on holidays taking Itraconazole for 2 weeks, switched to Doxy 100 mg for a month or so and am now back on 200 mg per day. As abx has always triggered fungus for me, I just take a round in between the Doxy treatments. And yes, it is true, starting on the meds was the start into a normal life for me after 2 years of sheer horror...

>Are you on Doxy now and how long ?

>

>________________________________

>Von: ILIKE TREES <wherearetheangels@...>

>An: bird mites

>Gesendet: 15:17 Sonntag, 26.Februar 2012

>Betreff: Re: lyme n co infections

>

>Ah thanks linda x sorry it a struggle for you also!:-(

>Yes I take a probiotic just before bed but like u woke in early hours inflamation

>

>My friend said im bein destructive!

>And shudnt damage myself

>When I dont even.have a diagnosis o lyme

>But I have to try this!!

>Becaise all the symptoms I have n

>Cannot tolerate pin prick bites

>Easy for someone to comment who isnt going thru any of this!!

>The bites bring out post tramatic stress disorder in me

>Because even though I dont know whether it is still the mites

>I panic every time I m bit

>Because of the association with mites

>So can never rest my mind n feel secure with the bites going on

>You know?

>Will keep trying but the tummy is so not good!!!:-(

>Oh meow!!!!!

>

>------------------------------

>On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 05:43 PST Goldstein@... wrote:

>

>>I know how that feels, sometimes the treatment feels worse than the original condition. So sorry C about your stomach situation. I have to remember to take probiotics too and that helps the stomach and sleep. My sleep has been very broken up and was up this morning again at 2:30 am. I was in a very low mood yesterday, desperate too. When sleep is bad it gets worse. Believe me, I know about inflammation. That's been a problem for me for years. Hang in there and I will too.

>>

>>Hugs,

>>

>> Re: meds

>> > > >

>> > > >Hi there

>> > > >Thats realy good that doxy may have stopped pin pricking.

>> > > >Do u think ur pin pricks were because of lyme infection n not mites?

>> > > >My pin prick sensations have got worse recently

>> > > >Today about thirty mostly big unpleasant sensations soles,of feet

>> > > >Toes partic second n third toes in both feet

>> > > >Even one on my arm,two on my legs

>> > > >Last night they were bad too

>> > > >Im extremely distressed

>> > > >As got more agressive with treatment recently

>> > > >Eg benzyol peroxide ten days all leg hands feet areas

>> > > >Bathing feet with allsorts every night

>> > > >And yet its got a lot worse

>> > > >I am realy upset

>> > > >Someone else said recently the more they did the worse it got

>> > > >Do people get more pin pricks when they are herxing?

>> > > >I recently bought two secondhand wardrobes to put my newly acquired clothes,bedding into

>> > > >Sprayed nylar inside

>> > > >And yet so scared cant bring self to take things outa bin bags to put into them!!!

>> > > >I would be delighted mentaly if I knew the pinpricks were lyme or co infections

>> > > >Because every time im bitten

>> > > >The thought that its a mite is makin me deeply unhappy!!

>> > > >

>> > > >------------------------------

>> > > >On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 07:50 PST Linds J wrote:

>> > > >

>> > > >I very rarely post anything but do read all the emails when I have time. I have been on Doxy 300 mg for 6 weeks now along with Diflucan once daily and Nystatin 4 times daily. I haven't had crawlies in months. Pin pricks have stopped as well. 2 days into Doxy I felt some burning which I think is herxing. About 2 weeks into Doxy my joints have all been hurting as well as being nauseous and light headed at times. The Doxy did not stop the crawlies for me as that went away before I even went on it. However, it may have stopped the pin pricking. I do have Lyme and possibly had it for 20 years.

>> > > >

>> > > >------------------------------------

>> > > >

February 28, 2012

I often get buzzing vibrating

But last night whole body was buzzing n vibrating

For ages!

Argh lots of bites feet tonite

Realy anoying

But it takes time

Bit fevery woth this too

Have decided do ten days

Then take couple days off

Then start again

Day six tmoro

Thanks Aa.

------------------------------

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 13:32 PST Aandraya wrote:

>C- you might also notice other areas of the body twitching or having muscle

spasms, tremors, and sometimes a buzzing/vibrating like feeling. If it's too

much take a couple days off and resume when the symptoms lessen. You do usually

have to get worse before you get better. A few don't herx but most do.

>

>Aa

>

>On Feb 28, 2012, at 6:35 AM, ILIKE TREES <wherearetheangels@...> wrote:

>

>>

>> Yes,fourth nite lastnight,better during the day but when try sleep slight

fever,tingling all over my body,spasms in my stomach

>> Bites worse late at night after 12pm n itch

>> Tho not as severe as before doxy,feel bit less stabbing bites.

>> Hate that it so dificult to take meds

>> Just want to do this for three months n help cure whats aflicting me

>> But...at this rate I will be lucky with ten days!

>> Could I take for ten days

>> Have a week off

>> Then another ten

>> Anothee week off

>> Do that four times with 40 days supply

>> Would that help

>> ?

>> Whats the most of a break the body should have when dosing

>> As my stomach is very unhapy wi doxy

>> But I am detetmined to keep taking as much as able as ive truly had enough of

these bites n will not live with this horribleness!!

>> I cant !

>> Just like,we all feel in the grip of it all!

>>

>> ------------------------------

>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 13:36 PST Aandraya wrote:

>>

>> >C- you started the doxy? I'm sure you are experiencing the Herxheimer

effect- upset stomach, hot/cold feelings in body(sometimes a fever present but

not necessarily, worsening of pain and/or new pain symptoms, worsening of biting

feelings, worsening of everything... This is due to the Doxy killing the

bacteria and will pass as you get your infection load down.

>> >

>> >Aa

>> >

>> >On Feb 26, 2012, at 7:18 AM, ILIKE TREES <wherearetheangels@...>

wrote:

>> >

>> > Thanks

>> > Aa

>> > Just feel desperate for it to go is all,but know it two pronged attack

external n internal

>> > I stll use lot external things,dettol helps flat,oxy help clothes,sulphur

pine soaps,coconu,clove,pine,orange etc for body

>> > Msm tabs,diflucan too

>> > Built up hope doxy can help

>> > But have very bad stomach inflamation anyway

>> > Caused by constant painkillers I was taking for a longtime for severe

condition

>> > Cannot n do not take painkillers,now

>> > But very bad inflamation starts,up vvv easily

>> > Am takin zantac every ten hours for acid whilst taking doxy

>> > However the doxy is realy hurting my stomach

>> > Even with the zantac

>> > Pain goin thru to back

>> > Would love to lower dose to 100 mg a day but u say that wud be inefective

>> > Felt feverish on it last night

>> > Like a war going on

>> > The bites under my handnails have not been as severe

>> > But still bites on soles feet

>> > Crawly sensation soles feet

>> > And bites toes

>> > If I cannot stomach the doxy

>> > I do not know what I will then do?

>> > But im not giving up the doxy yet

>> > Also liquirice ginger csmomile slipery elm

>> > Lots,of oats

>> > Ah dear

>> > Why is life always a struggle these days !!!

>> >

>> > ------------------------------

>> > On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 17:11 PST Aandraya wrote:

>> >

>> > >C- Just to be clear, in my case I took a lot more than Doxy to get my

situation resolved- skin sores and bugs on me. I took multiple antibiotics and

herbs for the treatment of the three " B's " borrelia, bartonella and babesia.

After about 10 months I had no more bugs on me. Others here seem to get past it

quicker than I did.

>> > >

>> > >Aa

>> > >

>> > >On Feb 25, 2012, at 5:46 AM, ILIKE TREES <wherearetheangels@...>

wrote:

>> > >

>> > > Aggi

>> > > Can u tell me again,how long did u take doxy 200 mg a day for?

>> > > Now u are on maintainance dose of 100 mg ,arent you?

>> > > Did u have pinprick bites quite bad before

>> > > N doxy got rid of them!

>> > > I remember u say it first thing help u live normal life again!

>> > > After 2.6 yrs or thereabouts?

>> > > Phew no wonder it worth weight gold for u

>> > > And linda,n Aa,elissa etc too

>> > > How long where u takin doxy before bites stopped?

>> > > I wonder what everyones experience has been.

>> > > Thanks.

>> > >

>> > > ------------------------------

>> > > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 05:09 PST Aggi Assmann wrote:

>> > >

>> > > >Hello C,

>> > > >May I ask you where you ordered the Doxy and at what price ?

>> > > >For me it was more precious than thousands of gold bars ;-)

>> > > >Just hope it is going to help you as much !

>> > > >

>> > > >Von: ILIKE TREES <wherearetheangels@...>

>> > > >An: bird mites

>> > > >Gesendet: 23:39 Donnerstag, 23.Februar 2012

>> > > >Betreff: Re: lyme n co infections

>> > > >

>> > > >Thanks Aa

>> > > >Have stoped samento as herxed too.painfuly

>> > > >Liked banderol

>> > > >But runnin out

>> > > >Will cut back n get more in two weeks then.if helps abx work better.

>> > > >When would I take the banderol?

>> > > >Just as usual before food?

>> > > >I have three diflucan left

>> > > >I usualy take one a week

>> > > >Although u said it work on difrent fungus

>> > > >Thought id try as v cheap

>> > > >Will I continue to take them?

>> > > >Thanks

>> > > >Fingers crossed!

>> > > >As the bites have realy deteriated.this week after I did more

treatments,bathing feet a lot topicaly

>> > > >But wasnot bathing hands and pinprick bites skin under nails got much

worse too

>> > > >V distressing

>> > > >Hope is not mites

>> > > >Hope doxy helps

>> > > >Was very easy to buy internet

>> > > >Expensive but worth weight in gold if helps!:-)

>> > > >

>> > > >------------------------------

>> > > >On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 11:52 PST Aandraya wrote:

>> > > >

>> > > >C-

>> > > >My gut issues actually eventually resolved on treatment, takes time