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I have read the post here for years. Many have lyme. However I think the

co-infection bartonella remains symptomatic for years in many of us. there are

more studies to prove this everyday, also studies showing there are numerous

strains, and some not identified. Isolating bartonella and testing for is as

difficult if not more than lyme. Remember this is not medical advice only

observation and speculation.

http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2011/01/13/recognising-\

bartonellosis-or-cat-scratch-disease-in-pets.aspx

http://abouthealt-h.com/bartonella-henselae

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/213169-overview

http://www.interamericaninstitute.org/bartonellosis.htm

http://www.askdrwiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Bartonellosis

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http://veterinarynews.dvm360.com/dvm/ArticleStandard/Article/detail/698389

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> > I have read the post here for years. Many have lyme. However I think the

co-infection bartonella remains symptomatic for years in many of us. there are

more studies to prove this everyday, also studies showing there are numerous

strains, and some not identified. Isolating bartonella and testing for is as

difficult if not more than lyme. Remember this is not medical advice only

observation and speculation.

> >

http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2011/01/13/recognising-\

bartonellosis-or-cat-scratch-disease-in-pets.aspx

> > http://abouthealt-h.com/bartonella-henselae

> > http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/213169-overview

> > http://www.interamericaninstitute.org/bartonellosis.htm

> > http://www.askdrwiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Bartonellosis

> >

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" A small number of Bartonella in the bloodstream can cause infection, and this

fact, coupled with the large variety of transmission routes by which people can

become infected, make the diagnosis, treatment and prevention of the illnesses

caused by this bacteria a real challenge, " Maggi adds. " I think it's critical

that we discover more about how this bacteria infects people, and how Bartonella

infection relates to the subsequent development of progressive illnesses in

humans. "

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/134649.php

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> > > I have read the post here for years. Many have lyme. However I think the

co-infection bartonella remains symptomatic for years in many of us. there are

more studies to prove this everyday, also studies showing there are numerous

strains, and some not identified. Isolating bartonella and testing for is as

difficult if not more than lyme. Remember this is not medical advice only

observation and speculation.

> > >

http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2011/01/13/recognising-\

bartonellosis-or-cat-scratch-disease-in-pets.aspx

> > > http://abouthealt-h.com/bartonella-henselae

> > > http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/213169-overview

> > > http://www.interamericaninstitute.org/bartonellosis.htm

> > > http://www.askdrwiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Bartonellosis

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You're entitled to your opinion. I know literally hundreds who have recovered from Lyme, have used Levaquin as a part of their treatment. My doctor has been treating for 25 years, he regularily uses Levaquin. If he thought it was damaging his patients or had seen it damage them he would not prescribe it. The proof is in the pudding. On Jan 28, 2012, at 12:37 PM, healinghope <mfrreman@...> wrote:

Aa just saying I consider it junk medicine. the side effects can take years to surface.

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> > > > I have read the post here for years. Many have lyme. However I

> > think

> > > > the co-infection bartonella remains symptomatic for years in

> > many of

> > > > us. there are more studies to prove this everyday, also studies

> > > > showing there are numerous strains, and some not identified.

> > > > Isolating bartonella and testing for is as difficult if not more

> > > > than lyme. Remember this is not medical advice only observation

> > and

> > > > speculation.

> > > > http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2011/01/13/recognising-bartonellosis-or-cat-scratch-disease-in-pets.aspx

> > > > http://abouthealt-h.com/bartonella-henselae

> > > > http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/213169-overview

> > > > http://www.interamericaninstitute.org/bartonellosis.htm

> > > > http://www.askdrwiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Bartonellosis

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Believe me I've seen all the studies on Levaquin. Another benefit of this med- it got me back to the health club.AandrayaOn Jan 28, 2012, at 12:40 PM, healinghope <mfrreman@...> wrote:

http://www.levaquin.com/levaquin/about_levaquin_effects-levaquin.html

http://www.levaquinadversesideeffect.com/2012/01/11/levaquin-off-label-use-and-misleading-promotion/

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> > > > > I have read the post here for years. Many have lyme. However I

> > > think

> > > > > the co-infection bartonella remains symptomatic for years in

> > > many of

> > > > > us. there are more studies to prove this everyday, also studies

> > > > > showing there are numerous strains, and some not identified.

> > > > > Isolating bartonella and testing for is as difficult if not more

> > > > > than lyme. Remember this is not medical advice only observation

> > > and

> > > > > speculation.

> > > > > http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2011/01/13/recognising-bartonellosis-or-cat-scratch-disease-in-pets.aspx

> > > > > http://abouthealt-h.com/bartonella-henselae

> > > > > http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/213169-overview

> > > > > http://www.interamericaninstitute.org/bartonellosis.htm

> > > > > http://www.askdrwiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Bartonellosis

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No offense taken at all. I work fairly closely with several LLMDs, 2 local support groups so I've many anecdotals. Still, my personal experience is probably the most powerful when I comes to forming opinions on Lyme treatment. I also co-moderate the WI Lyme Network, we have between 2000-3000 posts a month lately, just added our 4th moderator, and it's by far the most active state group out of all 50 states. That group was a lifesaver for me. I'm on the board of directors of the WI Lyme Network nonprofit. Basically I've seen it all now, multiple times, and now know that MANY 100% recover from Lyme. Those who stick with treatment and a doctor who knows what he's doing do eventually recover, though it seems like it takes forever. Those who don't recover are mpstly the ones who quit treatment, which is easy to do and happens often because the treatment is so challenging and recovery is often slow with tiny improvements over time. You have to stay the course. Aandraya On Jan 28, 2012, at 1:14 PM, healinghope <mfrreman@...> wrote:

Aa just my opinion that's all, no offense meant dear.

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> > > > > > I have read the post here for years. Many have lyme. However I

> > > > think

> > > > > > the co-infection bartonella remains symptomatic for years in

> > > > many of

> > > > > > us. there are more studies to prove this everyday, also

> > studies

> > > > > > showing there are numerous strains, and some not identified.

> > > > > > Isolating bartonella and testing for is as difficult if not

> > more

> > > > > > than lyme. Remember this is not medical advice only

> > observation

> > > > and

> > > > > > speculation.

> > > > > > http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2011/01/13/recognising-bartonellosis-or-cat-scratch-disease-in-pets.aspx

> > > > > > http://abouthealt-h.com/bartonella-henselae

> > > > > > http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/213169-overview

> > > > > > http://www.interamericaninstitute.org/bartonellosis.htm

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Thanks C! I do get through it. Just a frustration and I go through periods of self pity, but try to pull out of it.From: "Sad Girl" <wherearetheangels@...>bird mites Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 10:54:18 AMSubject: Re: Re: BartonellaSorry linda that u have to deal wi all that!x------------------------------On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:45 PST healinghope wrote:>Agree we are all different, one treatment for all has never held true. hope you find some comfort. I know what you describe, very painful, and debilitating. >> >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I have read the post here for years. Many have lyme. However I >> > > > > > > think >> > > > > > > > > the co-infection bartonella remains symptomatic for years in >> > > > > > > many of >> > > > > > > > > us. there are more studies to prove this everyday, also >> > > > > studies >> > > > > > > > > showing there are numerous strains, and some not identified. >> > > > > > > > > Isolating bartonella and testing for is as difficult if not >> > > > > more >> > > > > > > > > than lyme. Remember this is not medical advice only >> > > > > observation >> > > > > > > and >> > > > > > > > > speculation. >> > > > > > > > > http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2011/01/13/recognising-bartonellosis-or-cat-scratch-disease-in-pets.aspx >> > > > > > > > > http://abouthealt-h.com/bartonella-henselae >> > > > > > > > > http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/213169-overview >> > > > > > > > > http://www.interamericaninstitute.org/bartonellosis.htm >> > > > > > > > > http://www.askdrwiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Bartonellosis >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >>

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Dear my farm is not being kept up. I am letting the hay field go back to the

rabbits and turkey. Just keeping up a very small parcel now and have no

livestock. Getting old is no fun either.

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However I

> > > > >> > > > think

> > > > >> > > > > > the co-infection bartonella remains symptomatic for years

in

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> > > > >> > > > > > us. there are more studies to prove this everyday, also

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> > > > >> > > > > > showing there are numerous strains, and some not

identified.

> > > > >> > > > > > Isolating bartonella and testing for is as difficult if not

> > > > >> > more

> > > > >> > > > > > than lyme. Remember this is not medical advice only

> > > > >> > observation

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> > > > >> > > > > > speculation.

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http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2011/01/13/recognising-\

bartonellosis-or-cat-scratch-disease-in-pets.aspx

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> > > > >> > > > > > http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/213169-overview

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I understand Marie.From: "healinghope" <mfrreman@...>bird mites Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 11:13:37 AMSubject: Re: BartonellaDear my farm is not being kept up. I am letting the hay field go back to the rabbits and turkey. Just keeping up a very small parcel now and have no livestock. Getting old is no fun either. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > I have read the post here for years. Many have lyme. However I > > > > >> > > > think > > > > >> > > > > > the co-infection bartonella remains symptomatic for years in > > > > >> > > > many of > > > > >> > > > > > us. there are more studies to prove this everyday, also > > > > >> > studies > > > > >> > > > > > showing there are numerous strains, and some not identified. > > > > >> > > > > > Isolating bartonella and testing for is as difficult if not > > > > >> > more > > > > >> > > > > > than lyme. Remember this is not medical advice only > > > > >> > observation > > > > >> > > > and > > > > >> > > > > > speculation. > > > > >> > > > > > http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2011/01/13/recognising-bartonellosis-or-cat-scratch-disease-in-pets.aspx > > > > >> > > > > > http://abouthealt-h.com/bartonella-henselae > > > > >> > > > > > http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/213169-overview > > > > >> > > > > > http://www.interamericaninstitute.org/bartonellosis.htm > > > > >> > > > > > http://www.askdrwiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Bartonellosis > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > >

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I know u do the best u can linda!:-)

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On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:57 PST Goldstein@... wrote:

>Thanks C! I do get through it. Just a frustration and I go through periods of

self pity, but try to pull out of it.

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>From: " Sad Girl " <wherearetheangels@...>

>bird mites

>Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 10:54:18 AM

>Subject: Re: Re: Bartonella

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>Sorry linda that u have to deal wi all that!x

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>On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:45 PST healinghope wrote:

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>>Agree we are all different, one treatment for all has never held true.

hope you find some comfort. I know what you describe, very painful, and

debilitating.

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I

>> > > > > > > think

>> > > > > > > > > the co-infection bartonella remains symptomatic for years in

>> > > > > > > many of

>> > > > > > > > > us. there are more studies to prove this everyday, also

>> > > > > studies

>> > > > > > > > > showing there are numerous strains, and some not identified.

>> > > > > > > > > Isolating bartonella and testing for is as difficult if not

>> > > > > more

>> > > > > > > > > than lyme. Remember this is not medical advice only

>> > > > > observation

>> > > > > > > and

>> > > > > > > > > speculation.

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http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2011/01/13/recognising-\

bartonellosis-or-cat-scratch-disease-in-pets.aspx

>> > > > > > > > > http://abouthealt-h.com/bartonella-henselae

>> > > > > > > > > http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/213169-overview

>> > > > > > > > > http://www.interamericaninstitute.org/bartonellosis.htm

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Thats tough marie

What age are you?

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On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:13 PST healinghope wrote:

>Dear my farm is not being kept up. I am letting the hay field go back to the

rabbits and turkey. Just keeping up a very small parcel now and have no

livestock. Getting old is no fun either.

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>> > > > > > > > > > I have read the post here for years. Many have lyme.

However I

>> > > > > > > > think

>> > > > > > > > > > the co-infection bartonella remains symptomatic for years

in

>> > > > > > > > many of

>> > > > > > > > > > us. there are more studies to prove this everyday, also

>> > > > > > studies

>> > > > > > > > > > showing there are numerous strains, and some not

identified.

>> > > > > > > > > > Isolating bartonella and testing for is as difficult if not

>> > > > > > more

>> > > > > > > > > > than lyme. Remember this is not medical advice only

>> > > > > > observation

>> > > > > > > > and

>> > > > > > > > > > speculation.

>> > > > > > > > > >

http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2011/01/13/recognising-\

bartonellosis-or-cat-scratch-disease-in-pets.aspx

>> > > > > > > > > > http://abouthealt-h.com/bartonella-henselae

>> > > > > > > > > > http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/213169-overview

>> > > > > > > > > > http://www.interamericaninstitute.org/bartonellosis.htm

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http://www.askdrwiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Bartonellosis

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Two things I don't answer, my age, and my weight:) old enough to hang up my

hat.

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However I

> >> > > > > > > > think

> >> > > > > > > > > > the co-infection bartonella remains symptomatic for years

in

> >> > > > > > > > many of

> >> > > > > > > > > > us. there are more studies to prove this everyday, also

> >> > > > > > studies

> >> > > > > > > > > > showing there are numerous strains, and some not

identified.

> >> > > > > > > > > > Isolating bartonella and testing for is as difficult if

not

> >> > > > > > more

> >> > > > > > > > > > than lyme. Remember this is not medical advice only

> >> > > > > > observation

> >> > > > > > > > and

> >> > > > > > > > > > speculation.

> >> > > > > > > > > >

http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2011/01/13/recognising-\

bartonellosis-or-cat-scratch-disease-in-pets.aspx

> >> > > > > > > > > > http://abouthealt-h.com/bartonella-henselae

> >> > > > > > > > > > http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/213169-overview

> >> > > > > > > > > > http://www.interamericaninstitute.org/bartonellosis.htm

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Oh bet theres plenty of life in ye yet!!!

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On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:27 PST healinghope wrote:

>Two things I don't answer, my age, and my weight:) old enough to hang up my

hat.

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>> > > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > > > I have read the post here for years. Many have lyme.

However I

>> > > > > > > > > think

>> > > > > > > > > > > the co-infection bartonella remains symptomatic for years

in

>> > > > > > > > > many of

>> > > > > > > > > > > us. there are more studies to prove this everyday, also

>> > > > > > > studies

>> > > > > > > > > > > showing there are numerous strains, and some not

identified.

>> > > > > > > > > > > Isolating bartonella and testing for is as difficult if

not

>> > > > > > > more

>> > > > > > > > > > > than lyme. Remember this is not medical advice only

>> > > > > > > observation

>> > > > > > > > > and

>> > > > > > > > > > > speculation.

>> > > > > > > > > > >

http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2011/01/13/recognising-\

bartonellosis-or-cat-scratch-disease-in-pets.aspx

>> > > > > > > > > > > http://abouthealt-h.com/bartonella-henselae

>> > > > > > > > > > > http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/213169-overview

>> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.interamericaninstitute.org/bartonellosis.htm

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Still full of spit and vinegar as granddaddy use to say:)

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> >> > > > > > > > > > > I have read the post here for years. Many have lyme.

However I

> >> > > > > > > > > think

> >> > > > > > > > > > > the co-infection bartonella remains symptomatic for

years in

> >> > > > > > > > > many of

> >> > > > > > > > > > > us. there are more studies to prove this everyday, also

> >> > > > > > > studies

> >> > > > > > > > > > > showing there are numerous strains, and some not

identified.

> >> > > > > > > > > > > Isolating bartonella and testing for is as difficult if

not

> >> > > > > > > more

> >> > > > > > > > > > > than lyme. Remember this is not medical advice only

> >> > > > > > > observation

> >> > > > > > > > > and

> >> > > > > > > > > > > speculation.

> >> > > > > > > > > > >

http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2011/01/13/recognising-\

bartonellosis-or-cat-scratch-disease-in-pets.aspx

> >> > > > > > > > > > > http://abouthealt-h.com/bartonella-henselae

> >> > > > > > > > > > > http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/213169-overview

> >> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.interamericaninstitute.org/bartonellosis.htm

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I like it!!!!!

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On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 13:44 PST healinghope wrote:

>Still full of spit and vinegar as granddaddy use to say:)

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>> > > > > > > > > > > > I have read the post here for years. Many have lyme.

However I

>> > > > > > > > > > think

>> > > > > > > > > > > > the co-infection bartonella remains symptomatic for

years in

>> > > > > > > > > > many of

>> > > > > > > > > > > > us. there are more studies to prove this everyday, also

>> > > > > > > > studies

>> > > > > > > > > > > > showing there are numerous strains, and some not

identified.

>> > > > > > > > > > > > Isolating bartonella and testing for is as difficult if

not

>> > > > > > > > more

>> > > > > > > > > > > > than lyme. Remember this is not medical advice only

>> > > > > > > > observation

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http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2011/01/13/recognising-\

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Also love the word

Granddaddy!!

Its quaint!

Called mine granpa

Long gone now

Watching the horse racing up.in heaven

Quiet unassuming

I thought he looked like john wayne!:-)

But granpa wasnt a cowboy!

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On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 13:44 PST healinghope wrote:

>Still full of spit and vinegar as granddaddy use to say:)

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>> > > > > > > > > > > > I have read the post here for years. Many have lyme.

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>> > > > > > > > > > > > the co-infection bartonella remains symptomatic for

years in

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>> > > > > > > > > > > > us. there are more studies to prove this everyday, also

>> > > > > > > > studies

>> > > > > > > > > > > > showing there are numerous strains, and some not

identified.

>> > > > > > > > > > > > Isolating bartonella and testing for is as difficult if

not

>> > > > > > > > more

>> > > > > > > > > > > > than lyme. Remember this is not medical advice only

>> > > > > > > > observation

>> > > > > > > > > > and

>> > > > > > > > > > > > speculation.

>> > > > > > > > > > > >

http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2011/01/13/recognising-\

bartonellosis-or-cat-scratch-disease-in-pets.aspx

>> > > > > > > > > > > > http://abouthealt-h.com/bartonella-henselae

>> > > > > > > > > > > > http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/213169-overview

>> > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.interamericaninstitute.org/bartonellosis.htm

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I wouldn't mind telling my age, but never my weight!From: "healinghope" <mfrreman@...>bird mites Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 12:27:03 PMSubject: Re: BartonellaTwo things I don't answer, my age, and my weight:) old enough to hang up my hat. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I have read the post here for years. Many have lyme. However I > >> > > > > > > > think > >> > > > > > > > > > the co-infection bartonella remains symptomatic for years in > >> > > > > > > > many of > >> > > > > > > > > > us. there are more studies to prove this everyday, also > >> > > > > > studies > >> > > > > > > > > > showing there are numerous strains, and some not identified. > >> > > > > > > > > > Isolating bartonella and testing for is as difficult if not > >> > > > > > more > >> > > > > > > > > > than lyme. Remember this is not medical advice only > >> > > > > > observation > >> > > > > > > > and > >> > > > > > > > > > speculation. > >> > > > > > > > > > http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2011/01/13/recognising-bartonellosis-or-cat-scratch-disease-in-pets.aspx > >> > > > > > > > > > http://abouthealt-h.com/bartonella-henselae > >> > > > > > > > > > http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/213169-overview > >> > > > > > > > > > http://www.interamericaninstitute.org/bartonellosis.htm > >> > > > > > > > > > http://www.askdrwiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Bartonellosis > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------ > >> > > >> >

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Levaquin helped me to get my life back. Knocked down the brain fog, pain in my body, and all my weird skin rashes and lesions. I'm actually about to start another course of it.Aandraya On Jan 29, 2012, at 11:32 AM, healinghope <mfrreman@...> wrote:

Andraya is saying what I suspected many of us have been infected with lyme and company. I have grave concerns with levaquin, for treatment of anything.

http://www.askapatient.com/viewrating.asp?drug=20635 & name=LEVAQUIN & sort=gender & page=5 & PerPage=60

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > I have read the post here for years. Many have lyme. However I

> > >> > > > think

> > >> > > > > > the co-infection bartonella remains symptomatic for years in

> > >> > > > many of

> > >> > > > > > us. there are more studies to prove this everyday, also

> > >> > studies

> > >> > > > > > showing there are numerous strains, and some not identified.

> > >> > > > > > Isolating bartonella and testing for is as difficult if not

> > >> > more

> > >> > > > > > than lyme. Remember this is not medical advice only

> > >> > observation

> > >> > > > and

> > >> > > > > > speculation.

> > >> > > > > > http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2011/01/13/recognising-bartonellosis-or-cat-scratch-disease-in-pets.aspx

> > >> > > > > > http://abouthealt-h.com/bartonella-henselae

> > >> > > > > > http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/213169-overview

> > >> > > > > > http://www.interamericaninstitute.org/bartonellosis.htm

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My granddaddy was a true mountain man, also long gone, and watching the horse

races too. :)

> >> > > > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > > > > I have read the post here for years. Many have lyme.

However I

> >> > > > > > > > > > think

> >> > > > > > > > > > > > the co-infection bartonella remains symptomatic for

years in

> >> > > > > > > > > > many of

> >> > > > > > > > > > > > us. there are more studies to prove this everyday,

also

> >> > > > > > > > studies

> >> > > > > > > > > > > > showing there are numerous strains, and some not

identified.

> >> > > > > > > > > > > > Isolating bartonella and testing for is as difficult

if not

> >> > > > > > > > more

> >> > > > > > > > > > > > than lyme. Remember this is not medical advice only

> >> > > > > > > > observation

> >> > > > > > > > > > and

> >> > > > > > > > > > > > speculation.

> >> > > > > > > > > > > >

http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2011/01/13/recognising-\

bartonellosis-or-cat-scratch-disease-in-pets.aspx

> >> > > > > > > > > > > > http://abouthealt-h.com/bartonella-henselae

> >> > > > > > > > > > > > http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/213169-overview

> >> > > > > > > > > > > >

http://www.interamericaninstitute.org/bartonellosis.htm

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http://www.askdrwiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Bartonellosis

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Aa your body, your choice, and everyone else. Just want everyone to know the

serious warnings, and that it is a black box drug. Hoping no one buys this

online for treatment without healthcare supervision.

http://www.levaquin.com/faq#undefined

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > I have read the post here for years. Many have

> > lyme. However I

> > > > >> > > > think

> > > > >> > > > > > the co-infection bartonella remains symptomatic for

> > years in

> > > > >> > > > many of

> > > > >> > > > > > us. there are more studies to prove this everyday,

> > also

> > > > >> > studies

> > > > >> > > > > > showing there are numerous strains, and some not

> > identified.

> > > > >> > > > > > Isolating bartonella and testing for is as

> > difficult if not

> > > > >> > more

> > > > >> > > > > > than lyme. Remember this is not medical advice only

> > > > >> > observation

> > > > >> > > > and

> > > > >> > > > > > speculation.

> > > > >> > > > > >

http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2011/01/13/recognising-\

bartonellosis-or-cat-scratch-disease-in-pets.aspx

> > > > >> > > > > > http://abouthealt-h.com/bartonella-henselae

> > > > >> > > > > > http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/213169-overview

> > > > >> > > > > > http://www.interamericaninstitute.org/bartonellosis.htm

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http://www.askdrwiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Bartonellosis

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40 years ago I would have told my weight and my age, not anymore.

> > >> > > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > > > I have read the post here for years. Many have lyme.

However I

> > >> > > > > > > > think

> > >> > > > > > > > > > the co-infection bartonella remains symptomatic for

years in

> > >> > > > > > > > many of

> > >> > > > > > > > > > us. there are more studies to prove this everyday, also

> > >> > > > > > studies

> > >> > > > > > > > > > showing there are numerous strains, and some not

identified.

> > >> > > > > > > > > > Isolating bartonella and testing for is as difficult if

not

> > >> > > > > > more

> > >> > > > > > > > > > than lyme. Remember this is not medical advice only

> > >> > > > > > observation

> > >> > > > > > > > and

> > >> > > > > > > > > > speculation.

> > >> > > > > > > > > >

http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2011/01/13/recognising-\

bartonellosis-or-cat-scratch-disease-in-pets.aspx

> > >> > > > > > > > > > http://abouthealt-h.com/bartonella-henselae

> > >> > > > > > > > > > http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/213169-overview

> > >> > > > > > > > > > http://www.interamericaninstitute.org/bartonellosis.htm

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-Then stick with the rifampin, though it will only work for so long unilateral you need to switch to something else. I've been hearing positive results with Minocycline. Still, it's possible you may still have babesia.AandrayaOn Jan 28, 2012, at 11:51 PM, Goldstein@... wrote:

I am really afraid of using it since I already have pretty severe tendinitis. From: "Aandraya" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 10:42:48 AMSubject: Re: Re: Bartonella

Believe me I've seen all the studies on Levaquin. Another benefit of this med- it got me back to the health club.AandrayaOn Jan 28, 2012, at 12:40 PM, healinghope <mfrreman@...> wrote:

http://www.levaquin.com/levaquin/about_levaquin_effects-levaquin.html

http://www.levaquinadversesideeffect.com/2012/01/11/levaquin-off-label-use-and-misleading-promotion/

> > > >

> > > > > I have read the post here for years. Many have lyme. However I

> > > think

> > > > > the co-infection bartonella remains symptomatic for years in

> > > many of

> > > > > us. there are more studies to prove this everyday, also studies

> > > > > showing there are numerous strains, and some not identified.

> > > > > Isolating bartonella and testing for is as difficult if not more

> > > > > than lyme. Remember this is not medical advice only observation

> > > and

> > > > > speculation.

> > > > > http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2011/01/13/recognising-bartonellosis-or-cat-scratch-disease-in-pets.aspx

> > > > > http://abouthealt-h.com/bartonella-henselae

> > > > > http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/213169-overview

> > > > > http://www.interamericaninstitute.org/bartonellosis.htm

> > > > > http://www.askdrwiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Bartonellosis

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:)From: "healinghope" <mfrreman@...>bird mites Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 5:51:47 PMSubject: Re: Bartonella 40 years ago I would have told my weight and my age, not anymore. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I have read the post here for years. Many have lyme. However I > > >> > > > > > > > think > > >> > > > > > > > > > the co-infection bartonella remains symptomatic for years in > > >> > > > > > > > many of > > >> > > > > > > > > > us. there are more studies to prove this everyday, also > > >> > > > > > studies > > >> > > > > > > > > > showing there are numerous strains, and some not identified. > > >> > > > > > > > > > Isolating bartonella and testing for is as difficult if not > > >> > > > > > more > > >> > > > > > > > > > than lyme. Remember this is not medical advice only > > >> > > > > > observation > > >> > > > > > > > and > > >> > > > > > > > > > speculation. > > >> > > > > > > > > > http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2011/01/13/recognising-bartonellosis-or-cat-scratch-disease-in-pets.aspx > > >> > > > > > > > > > http://abouthealt-h.com/bartonella-henselae > > >> > > > > > > > > > http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/213169-overview > > >> > > > > > > > > > http://www.interamericaninstitute.org/bartonellosis.htm > > >> > > > > > > > > > http://www.askdrwiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Bartonellosis > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > ------------------------------------ > > >> > > > >> >

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Thanks Aandraya. I'll ask Dr. M about that tomorrow and see what she says. Cost is an issue for me too darn it. I could deal with $80 a month for Rifampin, but don't know about the other drugs she will prescribe. I did find an online company that I could get itraconazole for about $450 a month, so will talk to her about that. Our income is not that high.From: "Aandraya" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 6:28:38 PMSubject: Re: Re: Bartonella

-Then stick with the rifampin, though it will only work for so long unilateral you need to switch to something else. I've been hearing positive results with Minocycline. Still, it's possible you may still have babesia.AandrayaOn Jan 28, 2012, at 11:51 PM, Goldstein@... wrote:

I am really afraid of using it since I already have pretty severe tendinitis. From: "Aandraya" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 10:42:48 AMSubject: Re: Re: Bartonella

Believe me I've seen all the studies on Levaquin. Another benefit of this med- it got me back to the health club.AandrayaOn Jan 28, 2012, at 12:40 PM, healinghope <mfrreman@...> wrote:

http://www.levaquin.com/levaquin/about_levaquin_effects-levaquin.html

http://www.levaquinadversesideeffect.com/2012/01/11/levaquin-off-label-use-and-misleading-promotion/

> > > >

> > > > > I have read the post here for years. Many have lyme. However I

> > > think

> > > > > the co-infection bartonella remains symptomatic for years in

> > > many of

> > > > > us. there are more studies to prove this everyday, also studies

> > > > > showing there are numerous strains, and some not identified.

> > > > > Isolating bartonella and testing for is as difficult if not more

> > > > > than lyme. Remember this is not medical advice only observation

> > > and

> > > > > speculation.

> > > > > http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2011/01/13/recognising-bartonellosis-or-cat-scratch-disease-in-pets.aspx

> > > > > http://abouthealt-h.com/bartonella-henselae

> > > > > http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/213169-overview

> > > > > http://www.interamericaninstitute.org/bartonellosis.htm

> > > > > http://www.askdrwiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Bartonellosis

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Correct, Levaquin is a black box drug. Levaquin and my babesia meds are the drugs that made the biggest difference for me in my recovery. Levaquin is extremely potent, I herxed like hell on it.. after about 2 months on it my head symptoms- migraines, brain fog, memory issues cleared in a big way. It was the first time I'd felt like my old self in a very long time. Other things that cleared for me on Levaquin- subcutaneous nodules, bartonella striae, all lesions and rashes gone and spider veins are completely gone too. LLMDs know how to monitor treatment on this drug. Levaquin is great for treating bartonella, mycoplasma and seems to hit some strains of Borrelia.Aandraya On Jan 29, 2012, at 7:33 PM, healinghope <mfrreman@...> wrote:

Aa your body, your choice, and everyone else. Just want everyone to know the serious warnings, and that it is a black box drug. Hoping no one buys this online for treatment without healthcare supervision.

http://www.levaquin.com/faq#undefined

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > I have read the post here for years. Many have

> > lyme. However I

> > > > >> > > > think

> > > > >> > > > > > the co-infection bartonella remains symptomatic for

> > years in

> > > > >> > > > many of

> > > > >> > > > > > us. there are more studies to prove this everyday,

> > also

> > > > >> > studies

> > > > >> > > > > > showing there are numerous strains, and some not

> > identified.

> > > > >> > > > > > Isolating bartonella and testing for is as

> > difficult if not

> > > > >> > more

> > > > >> > > > > > than lyme. Remember this is not medical advice only

> > > > >> > observation

> > > > >> > > > and

> > > > >> > > > > > speculation.

> > > > >> > > > > > http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2011/01/13/recognising-bartonellosis-or-cat-scratch-disease-in-pets.aspx

> > > > >> > > > > > http://abouthealt-h.com/bartonella-henselae

> > > > >> > > > > > http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/213169-overview

> > > > >> > > > > > http://www.interamericaninstitute.org/bartonellosis.htm

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