Re: New Member of the club......Thanks

Posted March 15, 2012 · March 15, 2012

Thanks for the detailed insightful post. You have done your homework

here and I agree with everything you have stated here.

Maybe you could put some info in the 'links' or 'files' section for

others? Let me know and I would be glad to assist with this.

Take care,

Tim

>

> Hi mldashseattle,

>

> So many people here acquired birdmites the EXACTLY way you describe.

So many others... birds do seem to be the primary carriers, although

rodents can carry some of the same mites. I am sorry this didn't all

disappear for you after the mite experience, even with all 3 moves. Did

your bites turn into lesions? I have the tiny red bumps too. They are

still on my underarms mainly (hundreds) and scattered throughout my

body. I never had those bumps before this happened to me 4 years ago.

Some of the bites had turned into lesions which have since disappeared

(were on my abdomen) and I did have several large long lasting red

rashes that wrapped around my abdomen and neck. Those are gone now.

>

> I am at the stage where this does not keep me up at night, although I

still get biting sensations on my feet. I think now much of what I have

is a neurological symptom of Lyme and/or co-infections from what was

delivered by the mites... bacterias, fungi and parasites.

>

> My husband was afflicted by this too with many many bites on his body

-- we have remained in our house too. We were not able to move, but I

wanted to very badly. It was not possible financially for us to move. I

am on disability and my husband is not a high income maker, so there

would not have been a way for us. Some that have moved have done really

really well. Cecilia and Doris moved, got rid of everything they owned.

Doris has absolutely no symptoms remaining and Cecilia, who lives in

Sweden, has remaining infection, but not bothered by it terribly. Life

goes on for them. Aggi, who lives in Germany, is also doing really well,

99% cured and has gotten on with her life. I know you have heard from

some of these individuals already.

>

> There can be infection delivered by mites, but not all people get

these infections. Some people develop Morgellons - Lyme and body

producing fibers (I did). Some mites are transmitting Lyme, some

co-infections like Bartonella and who knows what else. All these mites

seem to carry something different, maybe a different strain of Borrelia,

plus combinations of other co-infections, parasites. If you remain sick

has a lot to do with genetics and the detoxification ability of the

body, prior exposures to toxins. The body has a genetic ability to detox

and some genetically do not have this ability. There is much being

revealed about this topic now. Aandraya has talked about how many of the

crawling sensations are typical Bartonella... all of these infections

affect the brain and central nervous system. Not everyone gets these

infections, but most do get something. Is Lyme endemic in your area? I

know you live in Seattle and my family lives in northern Oregon... my

sister has Lyme in OR. Lyme is everywhere now. I think birds are

carrying bartonella and it is being transmitted to mites, or maybe it is

the other way around, mites are carrying bartonella and giving it to

birds, I don't know which. Birds migrate everywhere... Canada is being

hit hard by Lyme disease now according to a Lyme Literate doctor who

knows about these things.

>

> There is post-traumatic stress from this experience, but the anxiety

may be caused by an infection that has passed through the blood, brain

barrier. I know many of us have had this affect the brain, myself

included... with treatment it gets better. Can you find a Lyme Literate

doctor in Washington? I know there are no LLMDs in Oregon, as I've

looked for my sister, but there are 3 doctors that are naturopaths who

treat and are trained to treat Lyme and coinfections. They can prescribe

too... I've talked to one of them personally.

>

> Bartonella causes welts... I had those too. They actually appeared

like a stretch mark, red then turning white.

>

> Here are the names of doctors I am aware of in Oregon and Washington

who might be able help you:

>

> Lyme Treating Doctors

> Dr. I Newman, MD, ND , MSOM

> Classical & Modern Medicine

> Rising Health

> 8301 NE Hazel Dell Ave.

> Vancouver, WA 98665

> Phone: (360) 696-3800

> Fax: (360) 696-0906

> http://www.drdanielnewman.com/

>

> Dr. Stacey Raffety, BSN, LAc, ND (most experience in the Portland

area)

> Tigard Holistic Health Clinic

> 11930 SW Greenburg Road

> Tigard, Oregon 97223

> Phone: (503) 639-1712

> Fax: (971) 249-0319

> http://www.tigardholistic.com/

>

> Dr. Chapman, ND (trained under Drs. Stricker & )

> 1567 SE Tacoma Street

> Portland, OR 97202

> (503) 233-8113

> http://chapmannd.org

> http://www.sellwoodfamilymedicine.com/

>

> Dr. Usha Honeyman, DC, ND, DABCI

> 1368 NW Lincoln Ave., Corvallis, OR 97330

> phone: (541) 754-6323

> http://www.ushahoneyman.com

>

> I hope you can get some help. Let us know if you need any more help.

>

> New Member of the club...

>

> I've been reading through all these posts for a few days. I'm so glad

to have found this forum.

>

> My problem began in the summer of 2009 when I moved into an apartment

with a pigeon nesting on the small balcony off my bedroom. When the

mother left the baby small black mites began to enter my room and the

problems began. The first week my body was covered in tiny red itchy

welts. I had a pest company spray my apartment several times. I kept my

clothes in totes with moth balls, washed and dried my clothes and

bedding daily.. drying all clothes before wearing them. I never wear the

same thing twice in a row.

>

> Nearly three years and three apartments later I am still experiencing

problems. I get tiny red bumps all over my body, mostly on my chest and

legs. They don't itch terribly, but they look awful. I also experience

the crawling sensation periodically throughout the day.

>

> Here are a few things I would love to get feedback on.

>

> I am able to sleep throughout the night, this hasn't been an issue for

me since at least a month after it all began in 2009. If I do have

problems sleeping it's because of anxiety rather than feeling like bugs

are on me - what does this mean when so many of you are kept up at night

because of the sensations?

>

> I have lived with two different people at the height of my problem,

neither seemed to be affected. Why is that?

>

> Why could I see them in the beginning of my infestation, but no longer

can see a thing? This is the part drives me the most crazy. If I can't

see them, how do I effectively treat?

>

> I have never felt like I have had internal issues regarding the mites.

I don't cough, have itchy nostrils or ears or eyes. My scalp itches on

occasion, but I've chalked that up to being winter and having a dry

scalp in general.

>

> I feel relatively calm considering, but to counter that incredibly

anxious, distraught, and hopeless.

>

> I worry that just because I can't seen the red welts that I'm being

bitten.. although I just don't know. I am inconstant fear that I will

spread this to ones I love.

>

> I remember thinking in the summer of 2009, " This is fine, in a few

months it'll be all over, " and now here I am, still in the middle of all

it.

>

> I am thankful that I've found this community and to see that there are

people who have come out of this alright.

>

> ML

>

> ------------------------------------

>

Posted March 15, 2012 · March 15, 2012

I would love to do that Tim. Thank you for all you do and have done for us.From: bird mites-owner To: bird mites Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 12:03:36 PMSubject: Re: New Member of the club......Thanks Thanks for the detailed insightful post. You have done your homeworkhere and I agree with everything you have stated here.Maybe you could put some info in the 'links' or 'files' section forothers? Let me know and I would be glad to assist with this.Take care,Tim>>> Hi mldashseattle,>>> So many people here acquired birdmites the EXACTLY way you describe.So many others... birds do seem to be the primary carriers, althoughrodents can carry some of the same mites. I am sorry this didn't alldisappear for you after the mite experience, even with all 3 moves. Didyour bites turn into lesions? I have the tiny red bumps too. They arestill on my underarms mainly (hundreds) and scattered throughout mybody. I never had those bumps before this happened to me 4 years ago.Some of the bites had turned into lesions which have since disappeared(were on my abdomen) and I did have several large long lasting redrashes that wrapped around my abdomen and neck. Those are gone now.>>> I am at the stage where this does not keep me up at night, although Istill get biting sensations on my feet. I think now much of what I haveis a neurological symptom of Lyme and/or co-infections from what wasdelivered by the mites... bacterias, fungi and parasites.>>> My husband was afflicted by this too with many many bites on his body-- we have remained in our house too. We were not able to move, but Iwanted to very badly. It was not possible financially for us to move. Iam on disability and my husband is not a high income maker, so therewould not have been a way for us. Some that have moved have done reallyreally well. Cecilia and Doris moved, got rid of everything they owned.Doris has absolutely no symptoms remaining and Cecilia, who lives inSweden, has remaining infection, but not bothered by it terribly. Lifegoes on for them. Aggi, who lives in Germany, is also doing really well,99% cured and has gotten on with her life. I know you have heard fromsome of these individuals already.>>> There can be infection delivered by mites, but not all people getthese infections. Some people develop Morgellons - Lyme and bodyproducing fibers (I did). Some mites are transmitting Lyme, someco-infections like Bartonella and who knows what else. All these mitesseem to carry something different, maybe a different strain of Borrelia,plus combinations of other co-infections, parasites. If you remain sickhas a lot to do with genetics and the detoxification ability of thebody, prior exposures to toxins. The body has a genetic ability to detoxand some genetically do not have this ability. There is much beingrevealed about this topic now. Aandraya has talked about how many of thecrawling sensations are typical Bartonella... all of these infectionsaffect the brain and central nervous system. Not everyone gets theseinfections, but most do get something. Is Lyme endemic in your area? Iknow you live in Seattle and my family lives in northern Oregon... mysister has Lyme in OR. Lyme is everywhere now. I think birds arecarrying bartonella and it is being transmitted to mites, or maybe it isthe other way around, mites are carrying bartonella and giving it tobirds, I don't know which. Birds migrate everywhere... Canada is beinghit hard by Lyme disease now according to a Lyme Literate doctor whoknows about these things.>>> There is post-traumatic stress from this experience, but the anxietymay be caused by an infection that has passed through the blood, brainbarrier. I know many of us have had this affect the brain, myselfincluded... with treatment it gets better. Can you find a Lyme Literatedoctor in Washington? I know there are no LLMDs in Oregon, as I'velooked for my sister, but there are 3 doctors that are naturopaths whotreat and are trained to treat Lyme and coinfections. They can prescribetoo... I've talked to one of them personally.>>> Bartonella causes welts... I had those too. They actually appearedlike a stretch mark, red then turning white.>>> Here are the names of doctors I am aware of in Oregon and Washingtonwho might be able help you:>>> Lyme Treating Doctors> Dr. I Newman, MD, ND , MSOM> Classical & Modern Medicine> Rising Health> 8301 NE Hazel Dell Ave.> Vancouver, WA 98665> Phone: (360) 696-3800> Fax: (360) 696-0906> http://www.drdanielnewman.com/>> Dr. Stacey Raffety, BSN, LAc, ND (most experience in the Portlandarea)> Tigard Holistic Health Clinic> 11930 SW Greenburg Road> Tigard, Oregon 97223> Phone: (503) 639-1712> Fax: (971) 249-0319> http://www.tigardholistic.com/>> Dr. Chapman, ND (trained under Drs. Stricker & )> 1567 SE Tacoma Street> Portland, OR 97202> (503) 233-8113> http://chapmannd.org> http://www.sellwoodfamilymedicine.com/>> Dr. Usha Honeyman, DC, ND, DABCI> 1368 NW Lincoln Ave., Corvallis, OR 97330> phone: (541) 754-6323> http://www.ushahoneyman.com>>>> I hope you can get some help. Let us know if you need any more help.>>> >> New Member of the club...>> I've been reading through all these posts for a few days. I'm so gladto have found this forum.>> My problem began in the summer of 2009 when I moved into an apartmentwith a pigeon nesting on the small balcony off my bedroom. When themother left the baby small black mites began to enter my room and theproblems began. The first week my body was covered in tiny red itchywelts. I had a pest company spray my apartment several times. I kept myclothes in totes with moth balls, washed and dried my clothes andbedding daily.. drying all clothes before wearing them. I never wear thesame thing twice in a row.>> Nearly three years and three apartments later I am still experiencingproblems. I get tiny red bumps all over my body, mostly on my chest andlegs. They don't itch terribly, but they look awful. I also experiencethe crawling sensation periodically throughout the day.>> Here are a few things I would love to get feedback on.>> I am able to sleep throughout the night, this hasn't been an issue forme since at least a month after it all began in 2009. If I do haveproblems sleeping it's because of anxiety rather than feeling like bugsare on me - what does this mean when so many of you are kept up at nightbecause of the sensations?>> I have lived with two different people at the height of my problem,neither seemed to be affected. Why is that?>> Why could I see them in the beginning of my infestation, but no longercan see a thing? This is the part drives me the most crazy. If I can'tsee them, how do I effectively treat?>> I have never felt like I have had internal issues regarding the mites.I don't cough, have itchy nostrils or ears or eyes. My scalp itches onoccasion, but I've chalked that up to being winter and having a dryscalp in general.>> I feel relatively calm considering, but to counter that incrediblyanxious, distraught, and hopeless.>> I worry that just because I can't seen the red welts that I'm beingbitten.. although I just don't know. I am inconstant fear that I willspread this to ones I love.>> I remember thinking in the summer of 2009, "This is fine, in a fewmonths it'll be all over," and now here I am, still in the middle of allit.>> I am thankful that I've found this community and to see that there arepeople who have come out of this alright.>> ML>>>> ------------------------------------>>

Posted March 16, 2012 · March 16, 2012

Thank you all for such detailed responses. It is such a relief to know that I

am not alone.

I have only done internet research on Lyme and Bartonella and I'm unsure that

those are necessarily what is going on with me? I do not have the stretch mark

like rashes found with Bartonella. What does appear on my skin are what look

like bits. They do not turn into lesions, they are just raised, red bumps/welts

that are about a centimeter or less in circumference. They are randomly placed

and not usually in bunches - like currently I have three on my upper arm, two

with in an inch of each other and the other down and about three inches from the

two.

These red bumps are the reason I believe I still have the mites and that they

are biting me.... But I never see them. If I feel a pinprick sensation that

feels like I bite I will immediate go to the source, but there is never anything

there. That said and after all I've read, perhaps it is part of a passed on

infection or psychosis? I'd almost rather it be an infection, that way I would

at least be at peace knowing I'm not spreading this on to my loved ones.

I will order the recommended Doxy - No one has had trouble ordering it online

without a prescription?

I still have the worry that the mites are with me still and that I will pass

them on to others.. What has been everyone's experience with this? Have you

been able to live in the same space as others and have them be OK and

unaffected?

I appreciate you all very much.

ML

> >

> > Hi mldashseattle,

> >

> > So many people here acquired birdmites the EXACTLY way you describe.

> So many others... birds do seem to be the primary carriers, although

> rodents can carry some of the same mites. I am sorry this didn't all

> disappear for you after the mite experience, even with all 3 moves. Did

> your bites turn into lesions? I have the tiny red bumps too. They are

> still on my underarms mainly (hundreds) and scattered throughout my

> body. I never had those bumps before this happened to me 4 years ago.

> Some of the bites had turned into lesions which have since disappeared

> (were on my abdomen) and I did have several large long lasting red

> rashes that wrapped around my abdomen and neck. Those are gone now.

> >

> > I am at the stage where this does not keep me up at night, although I

> still get biting sensations on my feet. I think now much of what I have

> is a neurological symptom of Lyme and/or co-infections from what was

> delivered by the mites... bacterias, fungi and parasites.

> >

> > My husband was afflicted by this too with many many bites on his body

> -- we have remained in our house too. We were not able to move, but I

> wanted to very badly. It was not possible financially for us to move. I

> am on disability and my husband is not a high income maker, so there

> would not have been a way for us. Some that have moved have done really

> really well. Cecilia and Doris moved, got rid of everything they owned.

> Doris has absolutely no symptoms remaining and Cecilia, who lives in

> Sweden, has remaining infection, but not bothered by it terribly. Life

> goes on for them. Aggi, who lives in Germany, is also doing really well,

> 99% cured and has gotten on with her life. I know you have heard from

> some of these individuals already.

> >

> > There can be infection delivered by mites, but not all people get

> these infections. Some people develop Morgellons - Lyme and body

> producing fibers (I did). Some mites are transmitting Lyme, some

> co-infections like Bartonella and who knows what else. All these mites

> seem to carry something different, maybe a different strain of Borrelia,

> plus combinations of other co-infections, parasites. If you remain sick

> has a lot to do with genetics and the detoxification ability of the

> body, prior exposures to toxins. The body has a genetic ability to detox

> and some genetically do not have this ability. There is much being

> revealed about this topic now. Aandraya has talked about how many of the

> crawling sensations are typical Bartonella... all of these infections

> affect the brain and central nervous system. Not everyone gets these

> infections, but most do get something. Is Lyme endemic in your area? I

> know you live in Seattle and my family lives in northern Oregon... my

> sister has Lyme in OR. Lyme is everywhere now. I think birds are

> carrying bartonella and it is being transmitted to mites, or maybe it is

> the other way around, mites are carrying bartonella and giving it to

> birds, I don't know which. Birds migrate everywhere... Canada is being

> hit hard by Lyme disease now according to a Lyme Literate doctor who

> knows about these things.

> >

> > There is post-traumatic stress from this experience, but the anxiety

> may be caused by an infection that has passed through the blood, brain

> barrier. I know many of us have had this affect the brain, myself

> included... with treatment it gets better. Can you find a Lyme Literate

> doctor in Washington? I know there are no LLMDs in Oregon, as I've

> looked for my sister, but there are 3 doctors that are naturopaths who

> treat and are trained to treat Lyme and coinfections. They can prescribe

> too... I've talked to one of them personally.

> >

> > Bartonella causes welts... I had those too. They actually appeared

> like a stretch mark, red then turning white.

> >

> > Here are the names of doctors I am aware of in Oregon and Washington

> who might be able help you:

> >

> > Lyme Treating Doctors

> > Dr. I Newman, MD, ND , MSOM

> > Classical & Modern Medicine

> > Rising Health

> > 8301 NE Hazel Dell Ave.

> > Vancouver, WA 98665

> > Phone: (360) 696-3800

> > Fax: (360) 696-0906

> > http://www.drdanielnewman.com/

> >

> > Dr. Stacey Raffety, BSN, LAc, ND (most experience in the Portland

> area)

> > Tigard Holistic Health Clinic

> > 11930 SW Greenburg Road

> > Tigard, Oregon 97223

> > Phone: (503) 639-1712

> > Fax: (971) 249-0319

> > http://www.tigardholistic.com/

> >

> > Dr. Chapman, ND (trained under Drs. Stricker & )

> > 1567 SE Tacoma Street

> > Portland, OR 97202

> > (503) 233-8113

> > http://chapmannd.org

> > http://www.sellwoodfamilymedicine.com/

> >

> > Dr. Usha Honeyman, DC, ND, DABCI

> > 1368 NW Lincoln Ave., Corvallis, OR 97330

> > phone: (541) 754-6323

> > http://www.ushahoneyman.com

> >

> > I hope you can get some help. Let us know if you need any more help.

> >

> > New Member of the club...

> >

> > I've been reading through all these posts for a few days. I'm so glad

> to have found this forum.

> >

> > My problem began in the summer of 2009 when I moved into an apartment

> with a pigeon nesting on the small balcony off my bedroom. When the

> mother left the baby small black mites began to enter my room and the

> problems began. The first week my body was covered in tiny red itchy

> welts. I had a pest company spray my apartment several times. I kept my

> clothes in totes with moth balls, washed and dried my clothes and

> bedding daily.. drying all clothes before wearing them. I never wear the

> same thing twice in a row.

> >

> > Nearly three years and three apartments later I am still experiencing

> problems. I get tiny red bumps all over my body, mostly on my chest and

> legs. They don't itch terribly, but they look awful. I also experience

> the crawling sensation periodically throughout the day.

> >

> > Here are a few things I would love to get feedback on.

> >

> > I am able to sleep throughout the night, this hasn't been an issue for

> me since at least a month after it all began in 2009. If I do have

> problems sleeping it's because of anxiety rather than feeling like bugs

> are on me - what does this mean when so many of you are kept up at night

> because of the sensations?

> >

> > I have lived with two different people at the height of my problem,

> neither seemed to be affected. Why is that?

> >

> > Why could I see them in the beginning of my infestation, but no longer

> can see a thing? This is the part drives me the most crazy. If I can't

> see them, how do I effectively treat?

> >

> > I have never felt like I have had internal issues regarding the mites.

> I don't cough, have itchy nostrils or ears or eyes. My scalp itches on

> occasion, but I've chalked that up to being winter and having a dry

> scalp in general.

> >

> > I feel relatively calm considering, but to counter that incredibly

> anxious, distraught, and hopeless.

> >

> > I worry that just because I can't seen the red welts that I'm being

> bitten.. although I just don't know. I am inconstant fear that I will

> spread this to ones I love.

> >

> > I remember thinking in the summer of 2009, " This is fine, in a few

> months it'll be all over, " and now here I am, still in the middle of all

> it.

> >

> > I am thankful that I've found this community and to see that there are

> people who have come out of this alright.

> >

> > ML

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

Posted March 16, 2012 · March 16, 2012

Hi ml

I also have small lumps under skin on my feet where I get most problems

Espec after pin prick sensation they are there n skin red sore swolen inflamed

Then redness goes away but blister thingsoften stil there

I too not sure if still mites or if bartonela lyme etc

Beginin to think it under the skin

Because ih boy I scrub feet hands where bites,are n still goes,on

Came across mycil cream yestrday fir athletes foot

Bought n.putin on feet hands now

As contains benzalkonium chloride that is in lysol or dettol

Looked back saw posts on it here

Figure worth a try

Benzyl peroxide didnt help me

But bites stronger on it

Dunno if a herx

Its a penetrant so figured if any mites there maybe would being em out?

Was goin to stop doxy today as feel ill

But maybe just smal break

As only took one yesterday n when feel bites,worse today...panics me

But maybe it the benzalchonium

Maybe we need to get samples from skin to entomologist

But we are all doin everything we can to physicaly fight this

I dont live with anyone

But I havent spread it to anyone

I wonder too if a new animal would be safe with me n in my flat?

Not in old flat as was badly infested

But its,just my feet n hands bothered now

Yes thank god its progress

And everyone finds that progress

Oh patience!

So ml hang in there

------------------------------

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 00:10 PDT mldashseattle wrote:

>Thank you all for such detailed responses. It is such a relief to know that I

am not alone.

>

>I have only done internet research on Lyme and Bartonella and I'm unsure that

those are necessarily what is going on with me? I do not have the stretch mark

like rashes found with Bartonella. What does appear on my skin are what look

like bits. They do not turn into lesions, they are just raised, red bumps/welts

that are about a centimeter or less in circumference. They are randomly placed

and not usually in bunches - like currently I have three on my upper arm, two

with in an inch of each other and the other down and about three inches from the

two.

>

>These red bumps are the reason I believe I still have the mites and that they

are biting me.... But I never see them. If I feel a pinprick sensation that

feels like I bite I will immediate go to the source, but there is never anything

there. That said and after all I've read, perhaps it is part of a passed on

infection or psychosis? I'd almost rather it be an infection, that way I would

at least be at peace knowing I'm not spreading this on to my loved ones.

>

>I will order the recommended Doxy - No one has had trouble ordering it online

without a prescription?

>

>I still have the worry that the mites are with me still and that I will pass

them on to others.. What has been everyone's experience with this? Have you

been able to live in the same space as others and have them be OK and

unaffected?

>

>I appreciate you all very much.

>

>ML

>

>> >

>> > Hi mldashseattle,

>> >

>> > So many people here acquired birdmites the EXACTLY way you describe.

>> So many others... birds do seem to be the primary carriers, although

>> rodents can carry some of the same mites. I am sorry this didn't all

>> disappear for you after the mite experience, even with all 3 moves. Did

>> your bites turn into lesions? I have the tiny red bumps too. They are

>> still on my underarms mainly (hundreds) and scattered throughout my

>> body. I never had those bumps before this happened to me 4 years ago.

>> Some of the bites had turned into lesions which have since disappeared

>> (were on my abdomen) and I did have several large long lasting red

>> rashes that wrapped around my abdomen and neck. Those are gone now.

>> >

>> > I am at the stage where this does not keep me up at night, although I

>> still get biting sensations on my feet. I think now much of what I have

>> is a neurological symptom of Lyme and/or co-infections from what was

>> delivered by the mites... bacterias, fungi and parasites.

>> >

>> > My husband was afflicted by this too with many many bites on his body

>> -- we have remained in our house too. We were not able to move, but I

>> wanted to very badly. It was not possible financially for us to move. I

>> am on disability and my husband is not a high income maker, so there

>> would not have been a way for us. Some that have moved have done really

>> really well. Cecilia and Doris moved, got rid of everything they owned.

>> Doris has absolutely no symptoms remaining and Cecilia, who lives in

>> Sweden, has remaining infection, but not bothered by it terribly. Life

>> goes on for them. Aggi, who lives in Germany, is also doing really well,

>> 99% cured and has gotten on with her life. I know you have heard from

>> some of these individuals already.

>> >

>> > There can be infection delivered by mites, but not all people get

>> these infections. Some people develop Morgellons - Lyme and body

>> producing fibers (I did). Some mites are transmitting Lyme, some

>> co-infections like Bartonella and who knows what else. All these mites

>> seem to carry something different, maybe a different strain of Borrelia,

>> plus combinations of other co-infections, parasites. If you remain sick

>> has a lot to do with genetics and the detoxification ability of the

>> body, prior exposures to toxins. The body has a genetic ability to detox

>> and some genetically do not have this ability. There is much being

>> revealed about this topic now. Aandraya has talked about how many of the

>> crawling sensations are typical Bartonella... all of these infections

>> affect the brain and central nervous system. Not everyone gets these

>> infections, but most do get something. Is Lyme endemic in your area? I

>> know you live in Seattle and my family lives in northern Oregon... my

>> sister has Lyme in OR. Lyme is everywhere now. I think birds are

>> carrying bartonella and it is being transmitted to mites, or maybe it is

>> the other way around, mites are carrying bartonella and giving it to

>> birds, I don't know which. Birds migrate everywhere... Canada is being

>> hit hard by Lyme disease now according to a Lyme Literate doctor who

>> knows about these things.

>> >

>> > There is post-traumatic stress from this experience, but the anxiety

>> may be caused by an infection that has passed through the blood, brain

>> barrier. I know many of us have had this affect the brain, myself

>> included... with treatment it gets better. Can you find a Lyme Literate

>> doctor in Washington? I know there are no LLMDs in Oregon, as I've

>> looked for my sister, but there are 3 doctors that are naturopaths who

>> treat and are trained to treat Lyme and coinfections. They can prescribe

>> too... I've talked to one of them personally.

>> >

>> > Bartonella causes welts... I had those too. They actually appeared

>> like a stretch mark, red then turning white.

>> >

>> > Here are the names of doctors I am aware of in Oregon and Washington

>> who might be able help you:

>> >

>> > Lyme Treating Doctors

>> > Dr. I Newman, MD, ND , MSOM

>> > Classical & Modern Medicine

>> > Rising Health

>> > 8301 NE Hazel Dell Ave.

>> > Vancouver, WA 98665

>> > Phone: (360) 696-3800

>> > Fax: (360) 696-0906

>> > http://www.drdanielnewman.com/

>> >

>> > Dr. Stacey Raffety, BSN, LAc, ND (most experience in the Portland

>> area)

>> > Tigard Holistic Health Clinic

>> > 11930 SW Greenburg Road

>> > Tigard, Oregon 97223

>> > Phone: (503) 639-1712

>> > Fax: (971) 249-0319

>> > http://www.tigardholistic.com/

>> >

>> > Dr. Chapman, ND (trained under Drs. Stricker & )

>> > 1567 SE Tacoma Street

>> > Portland, OR 97202

>> > (503) 233-8113

>> > http://chapmannd.org

>> > http://www.sellwoodfamilymedicine.com/

>> >

>> > Dr. Usha Honeyman, DC, ND, DABCI

>> > 1368 NW Lincoln Ave., Corvallis, OR 97330

>> > phone: (541) 754-6323

>> > http://www.ushahoneyman.com

>> >

>> > I hope you can get some help. Let us know if you need any more help.

>> >

>> > New Member of the club...

>> >

>> > I've been reading through all these posts for a few days. I'm so glad

>> to have found this forum.

>> >

>> > My problem began in the summer of 2009 when I moved into an apartment

>> with a pigeon nesting on the small balcony off my bedroom. When the

>> mother left the baby small black mites began to enter my room and the

>> problems began. The first week my body was covered in tiny red itchy

>> welts. I had a pest company spray my apartment several times. I kept my

>> clothes in totes with moth balls, washed and dried my clothes and

>> bedding daily.. drying all clothes before wearing them. I never wear the

>> same thing twice in a row.

>> >

>> > Nearly three years and three apartments later I am still experiencing

>> problems. I get tiny red bumps all over my body, mostly on my chest and

>> legs. They don't itch terribly, but they look awful. I also experience

>> the crawling sensation periodically throughout the day.

>> >

>> > Here are a few things I would love to get feedback on.

>> >

>> > I am able to sleep throughout the night, this hasn't been an issue for

>> me since at least a month after it all began in 2009. If I do have

>> problems sleeping it's because of anxiety rather than feeling like bugs

>> are on me - what does this mean when so many of you are kept up at night

>> because of the sensations?

>> >

>> > I have lived with two different people at the height of my problem,

>> neither seemed to be affected. Why is that?

>> >

>> > Why could I see them in the beginning of my infestation, but no longer

>> can see a thing? This is the part drives me the most crazy. If I can't

>> see them, how do I effectively treat?

>> >

>> > I have never felt like I have had internal issues regarding the mites.

>> I don't cough, have itchy nostrils or ears or eyes. My scalp itches on

>> occasion, but I've chalked that up to being winter and having a dry

>> scalp in general.

>> >

>> > I feel relatively calm considering, but to counter that incredibly

>> anxious, distraught, and hopeless.

>> >

>> > I worry that just because I can't seen the red welts that I'm being

>> bitten.. although I just don't know. I am inconstant fear that I will

>> spread this to ones I love.

>> >

>> > I remember thinking in the summer of 2009, " This is fine, in a few

>> months it'll be all over, " and now here I am, still in the middle of all

>> it.

>> >

>> > I am thankful that I've found this community and to see that there are

>> people who have come out of this alright.

>> >

>> > ML

>> >

>> > ------------------------------------

>> >

Posted March 16, 2012 · March 16, 2012

Dear ML,

I did and sometimes still have exactly the same symptoms as you, but no symptoms of Lyme or co-infections either.

I was diagnosed with a blood-sucking mite in 2010, although I have never knowingly seen one. Mites are usually

opaque to off-white or greyish and microscopically small. You won't see them unless they feed and then turn brownish or red.

Throughout my infestation I have been in close contact with people, my boyfriend, my parents, best friends plus colleagues and yet have never transmitted the mites to anyone. I could go for a walk hand in hand with my boyfriend and he never felt anything on him, whereas I was covered in mites and bites and I always thought, I wish I had a special light to make visable for him what was going on, because for my partner it was very hard to believe or even understand what I was going through. It is so important to communicate about it. I was lucky being able to talk to my mum and one of my best friends, because she had rodent mites a couple of years back, and of course to my friends on the forum here. Don't know what I would have done without them.

Don't worry about the prescriptions. You do not need them at the recommended pharmacies.

My overall condition is 99% better after taking an anti-fungal first, followed by abx.

Good luck with your recovery !

Aggi

Von: mldashseattle <mldashseattle@...>An: bird mites Gesendet: 8:10 Freitag, 16.MÃ¤rz 2012Betreff: Re: New Member of the club......Thanks

Thank you all for such detailed responses. It is such a relief to know that I am not alone.I have only done internet research on Lyme and Bartonella and I'm unsure that those are necessarily what is going on with me? I do not have the stretch mark like rashes found with Bartonella. What does appear on my skin are what look like bits. They do not turn into lesions, they are just raised, red bumps/welts that are about a centimeter or less in circumference. They are randomly placed and not usually in bunches - like currently I have three on my upper arm, two with in an inch of each other and the other down and about three inches from the two. These red bumps are the reason I believe I still have the mites and that they are biting me.... But I never see them. If I feel a pinprick sensation that feels like I bite I will immediate go to the source, but there is never anything there. That said and after all I've read, perhaps it is part of

a passed on infection or psychosis? I'd almost rather it be an infection, that way I would at least be at peace knowing I'm not spreading this on to my loved ones.I will order the recommended Doxy - No one has had trouble ordering it online without a prescription?I still have the worry that the mites are with me still and that I will pass them on to others.. What has been everyone's experience with this? Have you been able to live in the same space as others and have them be OK and unaffected? I appreciate you all very much. ML > > > > > > Hi mldashseattle, > > > > > > So many people here acquired birdmites the EXACTLY way you describe. > So many others... birds do seem to be the primary carriers, although > rodents can carry some of the same mites. I am sorry this didn't all > disappear for you after the mite experience, even with all 3 moves. Did > your bites turn into lesions? I have the tiny red bumps too. They are > still on my underarms mainly (hundreds) and scattered throughout my > body. I never had those bumps before this happened to me 4 years ago. > Some of the bites had turned into lesions which have since disappeared > (were on my abdomen) and I did have several large long lasting red > rashes that wrapped around my abdomen and neck. Those

are gone now. > > > > > > I am at the stage where this does not keep me up at night, although I > still get biting sensations on my feet. I think now much of what I have > is a neurological symptom of Lyme and/or co-infections from what was > delivered by the mites... bacterias, fungi and parasites. > > > > > > My husband was afflicted by this too with many many bites on his body > -- we have remained in our house too. We were not able to move, but I > wanted to very badly. It was not possible financially for us to move. I > am on disability and my husband is not a high income maker, so there > would not have been a way for us. Some that have moved have done really > really well. Cecilia and Doris moved, got rid of everything they owned. > Doris has absolutely no symptoms remaining and Cecilia, who lives in > Sweden, has

remaining infection, but not bothered by it terribly. Life > goes on for them. Aggi, who lives in Germany, is also doing really well, > 99% cured and has gotten on with her life. I know you have heard from > some of these individuals already. > > > > > > There can be infection delivered by mites, but not all people get > these infections. Some people develop Morgellons - Lyme and body > producing fibers (I did). Some mites are transmitting Lyme, some > co-infections like Bartonella and who knows what else. All these mites > seem to carry something different, maybe a different strain of Borrelia, > plus combinations of other co-infections, parasites. If you remain sick > has a lot to do with genetics and the detoxification ability of the > body, prior exposures to toxins. The body has a genetic ability to detox > and some genetically do not have

this ability. There is much being > revealed about this topic now. Aandraya has talked about how many of the > crawling sensations are typical Bartonella... all of these infections > affect the brain and central nervous system. Not everyone gets these > infections, but most do get something. Is Lyme endemic in your area? I > know you live in Seattle and my family lives in northern Oregon... my > sister has Lyme in OR. Lyme is everywhere now. I think birds are > carrying bartonella and it is being transmitted to mites, or maybe it is > the other way around, mites are carrying bartonella and giving it to > birds, I don't know which. Birds migrate everywhere... Canada is being > hit hard by Lyme disease now according to a Lyme Literate doctor who > knows about these things. > > > > > > There is post-traumatic stress from this experience, but the

anxiety > may be caused by an infection that has passed through the blood, brain > barrier. I know many of us have had this affect the brain, myself > included... with treatment it gets better. Can you find a Lyme Literate > doctor in Washington? I know there are no LLMDs in Oregon, as I've > looked for my sister, but there are 3 doctors that are naturopaths who > treat and are trained to treat Lyme and coinfections. They can prescribe > too... I've talked to one of them personally. > > > > > > Bartonella causes welts... I had those too. They actually appeared > like a stretch mark, red then turning white. > > > > > > Here are the names of doctors I am aware of in Oregon and Washington > who might be able help you: > > > > > > Lyme Treating Doctors > > Dr. I Newman, MD, ND , MSOM

> > Classical & Modern Medicine > > Rising Health > > 8301 NE Hazel Dell Ave. > > Vancouver, WA 98665 > > Phone: (360) 696-3800 > > Fax: (360) 696-0906 > > http://www.drdanielnewman.com/ > > > > Dr. Stacey Raffety, BSN, LAc, ND (most experience in the Portland > area) > > Tigard Holistic Health Clinic > > 11930 SW Greenburg Road > > Tigard, Oregon 97223 > > Phone: (503) 639-1712 > > Fax: (971) 249-0319 > > http://www.tigardholistic.com/ > > > > Dr. Chapman, ND (trained under Drs. Stricker & ) > > 1567 SE Tacoma Street > > Portland, OR 97202 > > (503) 233-8113 > > http://chapmannd.org > > http://www.sellwoodfamilymedicine.com/ > > > > Dr. Usha Honeyman, DC, ND, DABCI > > 1368 NW Lincoln Ave., Corvallis, OR 97330 > > phone: (541) 754-6323 > > http://www.ushahoneyman.com > > > > > > > > I hope you can get some help. Let us know if you need any more help. > > > > > > > > > > New Member of the club... > > > > I've been reading through all these posts for a few days. I'm so glad > to have found this forum. > > > > My problem began in the summer of 2009 when I moved into an apartment > with a pigeon nesting on the small balcony off my bedroom. When the > mother left the baby small black mites began to enter my room and the > problems began. The first week my body was covered in tiny red itchy > welts. I had a pest company spray my apartment several times. I kept my > clothes in totes with moth balls, washed and dried my clothes and > bedding daily.. drying all clothes before wearing them. I never wear the > same thing twice in a row. > > > > Nearly three years and three apartments later I am still experiencing > problems. I get tiny red bumps

all over my body, mostly on my chest and > legs. They don't itch terribly, but they look awful. I also experience > the crawling sensation periodically throughout the day. > > > > Here are a few things I would love to get feedback on. > > > > I am able to sleep throughout the night, this hasn't been an issue for > me since at least a month after it all began in 2009. If I do have > problems sleeping it's because of anxiety rather than feeling like bugs > are on me - what does this mean when so many of you are kept up at night > because of the sensations? > > > > I have lived with two different people at the height of my problem, > neither seemed to be affected. Why is that? > > > > Why could I see them in the beginning of my infestation, but no longer > can see a thing? This is the part drives me the most crazy. If I

can't > see them, how do I effectively treat? > > > > I have never felt like I have had internal issues regarding the mites. > I don't cough, have itchy nostrils or ears or eyes. My scalp itches on > occasion, but I've chalked that up to being winter and having a dry > scalp in general. > > > > I feel relatively calm considering, but to counter that incredibly > anxious, distraught, and hopeless. > > > > I worry that just because I can't seen the red welts that I'm being > bitten.. although I just don't know. I am inconstant fear that I will > spread this to ones I love. > > > > I remember thinking in the summer of 2009, "This is fine, in a few > months it'll be all over," and now here I am, still in the middle of all > it. > > > > I am thankful that I've found this community and to see that

there are > people who have come out of this alright. > > > > ML > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > >

Posted March 16, 2012 · March 16, 2012

Hi ML,My husband and I both had the biting mites. I don't know if we passed it along to anyone... people are not forthcoming about it if they are experiencing something strange . My father-in-law had a very itchy spot on his back that he could not resolve... he died at 95 last August, but I used to do his laundry for him in his washer/dryer. At first I used gloves to do it, but then I stopped after a while doing that. I always used ammonia and detergent in his wash. I was so careful about cleaning places we or I had sat in his house too, using Windex to clean the chair seats. Since it seemed like he was not getting anything from me or us, I let up on these practices... I'll never know if he did catch something from my doing his laundry. We saw him every Saturday and did chores for him.I still have those bumps too, but not too often. Often those bumps turn into little hard bumps, no longer red, and do not heal. I've been doing injections with antibiotics and it seems like some of those bumps have flattened and maybe are healing. Still too early to tell for sure.I don't worry about passing this on any more. I just have not seen clear evidence that anything can be passed along. If I still have some mites, they seem to be happy living on me, most likely imbedded. This idea is contrary to what is known about bird mites... bird mites apparently bite, but do drop off after a feed.From: "mldashseattle" <mldashseattle@...>bird mites Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 12:10:48 AMSubject: Re: New Member of the club......Thanks Thank you all for such detailed responses. It is such a relief to know that I am not alone.I have only done internet research on Lyme and Bartonella and I'm unsure that those are necessarily what is going on with me? I do not have the stretch mark like rashes found with Bartonella. What does appear on my skin are what look like bits. They do not turn into lesions, they are just raised, red bumps/welts that are about a centimeter or less in circumference. They are randomly placed and not usually in bunches - like currently I have three on my upper arm, two with in an inch of each other and the other down and about three inches from the two. These red bumps are the reason I believe I still have the mites and that they are biting me.... But I never see them. If I feel a pinprick sensation that feels like I bite I will immediate go to the source, but there is never anything there. That said and after all I've read, perhaps it is part of a passed on infection or psychosis? I'd almost rather it be an infection, that way I would at least be at peace knowing I'm not spreading this on to my loved ones.I will order the recommended Doxy - No one has had trouble ordering it online without a prescription?I still have the worry that the mites are with me still and that I will pass them on to others.. What has been everyone's experience with this? Have you been able to live in the same space as others and have them be OK and unaffected? I appreciate you all very much. ML > > > > > > Hi mldashseattle, > > > > > > So many people here acquired birdmites the EXACTLY way you describe. > So many others... birds do seem to be the primary carriers, although > rodents can carry some of the same mites. I am sorry this didn't all > disappear for you after the mite experience, even with all 3 moves. Did > your bites turn into lesions? I have the tiny red bumps too. They are > still on my underarms mainly (hundreds) and scattered throughout my > body. I never had those bumps before this happened to me 4 years ago. > Some of the bites had turned into lesions which have since disappeared > (were on my abdomen) and I did have several large long lasting red > rashes that wrapped around my abdomen and neck. Those are gone now. > > > > > > I am at the stage where this does not keep me up at night, although I > still get biting sensations on my feet. I think now much of what I have > is a neurological symptom of Lyme and/or co-infections from what was > delivered by the mites... bacterias, fungi and parasites. > > > > > > My husband was afflicted by this too with many many bites on his body > -- we have remained in our house too. We were not able to move, but I > wanted to very badly. It was not possible financially for us to move. I > am on disability and my husband is not a high income maker, so there > would not have been a way for us. Some that have moved have done really > really well. Cecilia and Doris moved, got rid of everything they owned. > Doris has absolutely no symptoms remaining and Cecilia, who lives in > Sweden, has remaining infection, but not bothered by it terribly. Life > goes on for them. Aggi, who lives in Germany, is also doing really well, > 99% cured and has gotten on with her life. I know you have heard from > some of these individuals already. > > > > > > There can be infection delivered by mites, but not all people get > these infections. Some people develop Morgellons - Lyme and body > producing fibers (I did). Some mites are transmitting Lyme, some > co-infections like Bartonella and who knows what else. All these mites > seem to carry something different, maybe a different strain of Borrelia, > plus combinations of other co-infections, parasites. If you remain sick > has a lot to do with genetics and the detoxification ability of the > body, prior exposures to toxins. The body has a genetic ability to detox > and some genetically do not have this ability. There is much being > revealed about this topic now. Aandraya has talked about how many of the > crawling sensations are typical Bartonella... all of these infections > affect the brain and central nervous system. Not everyone gets these > infections, but most do get something. Is Lyme endemic in your area? I > know you live in Seattle and my family lives in northern Oregon... my > sister has Lyme in OR. Lyme is everywhere now. I think birds are > carrying bartonella and it is being transmitted to mites, or maybe it is > the other way around, mites are carrying bartonella and giving it to > birds, I don't know which. Birds migrate everywhere... Canada is being > hit hard by Lyme disease now according to a Lyme Literate doctor who > knows about these things. > > > > > > There is post-traumatic stress from this experience, but the anxiety > may be caused by an infection that has passed through the blood, brain > barrier. I know many of us have had this affect the brain, myself > included... with treatment it gets better. Can you find a Lyme Literate > doctor in Washington? I know there are no LLMDs in Oregon, as I've > looked for my sister, but there are 3 doctors that are naturopaths who > treat and are trained to treat Lyme and coinfections. They can prescribe > too... I've talked to one of them personally. > > > > > > Bartonella causes welts... I had those too. They actually appeared > like a stretch mark, red then turning white. > > > > > > Here are the names of doctors I am aware of in Oregon and Washington > who might be able help you: > > > > > > Lyme Treating Doctors > > Dr. I Newman, MD, ND , MSOM > > Classical & Modern Medicine > > Rising Health > > 8301 NE Hazel Dell Ave. > > Vancouver, WA 98665 > > Phone: (360) 696-3800 > > Fax: (360) 696-0906 > > http://www.drdanielnewman.com/ > > > > Dr. Stacey Raffety, BSN, LAc, ND (most experience in the Portland > area) > > Tigard Holistic Health Clinic > > 11930 SW Greenburg Road > > Tigard, Oregon 97223 > > Phone: (503) 639-1712 > > Fax: (971) 249-0319 > > http://www.tigardholistic.com/ > > > > Dr. Chapman, ND (trained under Drs. Stricker & ) > > 1567 SE Tacoma Street > > Portland, OR 97202 > > (503) 233-8113 > > http://chapmannd.org > > http://www.sellwoodfamilymedicine.com/ > > > > Dr. Usha Honeyman, DC, ND, DABCI > > 1368 NW Lincoln Ave., Corvallis, OR 97330 > > phone: (541) 754-6323 > > http://www.ushahoneyman.com > > > > > > > > I hope you can get some help. Let us know if you need any more help. > > > > > > > > > > New Member of the club... > > > > I've been reading through all these posts for a few days. I'm so glad > to have found this forum. > > > > My problem began in the summer of 2009 when I moved into an apartment > with a pigeon nesting on the small balcony off my bedroom. When the > mother left the baby small black mites began to enter my room and the > problems began. The first week my body was covered in tiny red itchy > welts. I had a pest company spray my apartment several times. I kept my > clothes in totes with moth balls, washed and dried my clothes and > bedding daily.. drying all clothes before wearing them. I never wear the > same thing twice in a row. > > > > Nearly three years and three apartments later I am still experiencing > problems. I get tiny red bumps all over my body, mostly on my chest and > legs. They don't itch terribly, but they look awful. I also experience > the crawling sensation periodically throughout the day. > > > > Here are a few things I would love to get feedback on. > > > > I am able to sleep throughout the night, this hasn't been an issue for > me since at least a month after it all began in 2009. If I do have > problems sleeping it's because of anxiety rather than feeling like bugs > are on me - what does this mean when so many of you are kept up at night > because of the sensations? > > > > I have lived with two different people at the height of my problem, > neither seemed to be affected. Why is that? > > > > Why could I see them in the beginning of my infestation, but no longer > can see a thing? This is the part drives me the most crazy. If I can't > see them, how do I effectively treat? > > > > I have never felt like I have had internal issues regarding the mites. > I don't cough, have itchy nostrils or ears or eyes. My scalp itches on > occasion, but I've chalked that up to being winter and having a dry > scalp in general. > > > > I feel relatively calm considering, but to counter that incredibly > anxious, distraught, and hopeless. > > > > I worry that just because I can't seen the red welts that I'm being > bitten.. although I just don't know. I am inconstant fear that I will > spread this to ones I love. > > > > I remember thinking in the summer of 2009, "This is fine, in a few > months it'll be all over," and now here I am, still in the middle of all > it. > > > > I am thankful that I've found this community and to see that there are > people who have come out of this alright. > > > > ML > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > >

Posted March 16, 2012 · March 16, 2012

Hi and ML,

I have been reading that the Nothern Fowl Mites live in and on the host their entire life cycle.

This is why I suspected me having a combo of NFM and D. Galinae (red bird mite), because

I for sure had the burrowing feeling as well !

Von: "Goldstein@..." <Goldstein@...>An: bird mites Gesendet: 14:28 Freitag, 16.MÃ¤rz 2012Betreff: Re: Re: New Member of the club......Thanks

Hi ML,

My husband and I both had the biting mites. I don't know if we passed it along to anyone... people are not forthcoming about it if they are experiencing something strange . My father-in-law had a very itchy spot on his back that he could not resolve... he died at 95 last August, but I used to do his laundry for him in his washer/dryer. At first I used gloves to do it, but then I stopped after a while doing that. I always used ammonia and detergent in his wash. I was so careful about cleaning places we or I had sat in his house too, using Windex to clean the chair seats. Since it seemed like he was not getting anything from me or us, I let up on these practices... I'll never know if he did catch something from my doing his laundry. We saw him every Saturday and did chores for him.

I still have those bumps too, but not too often. Often those bumps turn into little hard bumps, no longer red, and do not heal. I've been doing injections with antibiotics and it seems like some of those bumps have flattened and maybe are healing. Still too early to tell for sure.

I don't worry about passing this on any more. I just have not seen clear evidence that anything can be passed along. If I still have some mites, they seem to be happy living on me, most likely imbedded. This idea is contrary to what is known about bird mites... bird mites apparently bite, but do drop off after a feed.

From: "mldashseattle" <mldashseattle@...>bird mites Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 12:10:48 AMSubject: Re: New Member of the club......Thanks Thank you all for such detailed responses. It is such a relief to know that I am not alone.I have only done internet research on Lyme and Bartonella and I'm unsure that those are necessarily what is going on with me? I do not have the stretch mark like rashes found with Bartonella. What does appear on my skin are what look like bits. They do not turn into lesions,

they are just raised, red bumps/welts that are about a centimeter or less in circumference. They are randomly placed and not usually in bunches - like currently I have three on my upper arm, two with in an inch of each other and the other down and about three inches from the two. These red bumps are the reason I believe I still have the mites and that they are biting me.... But I never see them. If I feel a pinprick sensation that feels like I bite I will immediate go to the source, but there is never anything there. That said and after all I've read, perhaps it is part of a passed on infection or psychosis? I'd almost rather it be an infection, that way I would at least be at peace knowing I'm not spreading this on to my loved ones.I will order the recommended Doxy - No one has had trouble ordering it online without a prescription?I still have the worry that the mites are with me still and that I

will pass them on to others.. What has been everyone's experience with this? Have you been able to live in the same space as others and have them be OK and unaffected? I appreciate you all very much. ML > > > > > > Hi mldashseattle, > > > > > > So many people here acquired birdmites the EXACTLY way you describe. > So many others... birds do seem to be the primary carriers, although > rodents can carry some of the same mites. I am sorry this didn't all > disappear for you after the mite experience, even with all 3 moves. Did > your bites turn into lesions? I have the tiny red bumps too. They are > still on my underarms mainly (hundreds) and scattered throughout my > body. I never had those bumps before this happened to me 4 years ago. > Some of the bites had turned into lesions which have since disappeared > (were on my abdomen) and I did have several large

long lasting red > rashes that wrapped around my abdomen and neck. Those are gone now. > > > > > > I am at the stage where this does not keep me up at night, although I > still get biting sensations on my feet. I think now much of what I have > is a neurological symptom of Lyme and/or co-infections from what was > delivered by the mites... bacterias, fungi and parasites. > > > > > > My husband was afflicted by this too with many many bites on his body > -- we have remained in our house too. We were not able to move, but I > wanted to very badly. It was not possible financially for us to move. I > am on disability and my husband is not a high income maker, so there > would not have been a way for us. Some that have moved have done really > really well. Cecilia and Doris moved, got rid of everything they owned. > Doris has

absolutely no symptoms remaining and Cecilia, who lives in > Sweden, has remaining infection, but not bothered by it terribly. Life > goes on for them. Aggi, who lives in Germany, is also doing really well, > 99% cured and has gotten on with her life. I know you have heard from > some of these individuals already. > > > > > > There can be infection delivered by mites, but not all people get > these infections. Some people develop Morgellons - Lyme and body > producing fibers (I did). Some mites are transmitting Lyme, some > co-infections like Bartonella and who knows what else. All these mites > seem to carry something different, maybe a different strain of Borrelia, > plus combinations of other co-infections, parasites. If you remain sick > has a lot to do with genetics and the detoxification ability of the > body, prior exposures to toxins. The

body has a genetic ability to detox > and some genetically do not have this ability. There is much being > revealed about this topic now. Aandraya has talked about how many of the > crawling sensations are typical Bartonella... all of these infections > affect the brain and central nervous system. Not everyone gets these > infections, but most do get something. Is Lyme endemic in your area? I > know you live in Seattle and my family lives in northern Oregon... my > sister has Lyme in OR. Lyme is everywhere now. I think birds are > carrying bartonella and it is being transmitted to mites, or maybe it is > the other way around, mites are carrying bartonella and giving it to > birds, I don't know which. Birds migrate everywhere... Canada is being > hit hard by Lyme disease now according to a Lyme Literate doctor who > knows about these things. > > > >

> > There is post-traumatic stress from this experience, but the anxiety > may be caused by an infection that has passed through the blood, brain > barrier. I know many of us have had this affect the brain, myself > included... with treatment it gets better. Can you find a Lyme Literate > doctor in Washington? I know there are no LLMDs in Oregon, as I've > looked for my sister, but there are 3 doctors that are naturopaths who > treat and are trained to treat Lyme and coinfections. They can prescribe > too... I've talked to one of them personally. > > > > > > Bartonella causes welts... I had those too. They actually appeared > like a stretch mark, red then turning white. > > > > > > Here are the names of doctors I am aware of in Oregon and Washington > who might be able help you: > > > > > >

Lyme Treating Doctors > > Dr. I Newman, MD, ND , MSOM > > Classical & Modern Medicine > > Rising Health > > 8301 NE Hazel Dell Ave. > > Vancouver, WA 98665 > > Phone: (360) 696-3800 > > Fax: (360) 696-0906 > > http://www.drdanielnewman.com/ > > > > Dr. Stacey Raffety, BSN, LAc, ND (most experience in the Portland > area) > > Tigard Holistic Health Clinic > > 11930 SW Greenburg Road > > Tigard, Oregon 97223 > > Phone: (503) 639-1712 > > Fax: (971) 249-0319 > > http://www.tigardholistic.com/ > > > > Dr. Chapman, ND (trained under Drs. Stricker & ) > > 1567 SE Tacoma Street > > Portland, OR 97202 > > (503) 233-8113 > > http://chapmannd.org > > http://www.sellwoodfamilymedicine.com/ > >

> > Dr. Usha Honeyman, DC, ND, DABCI > > 1368 NW Lincoln Ave., Corvallis, OR 97330 > > phone: (541) 754-6323 > > http://www.ushahoneyman.com > > > > > > > > I hope you can get some help. Let us know if you need any more help. > > > > > > > > > > New Member of the club... > > > > I've been reading through all these posts for a few days. I'm so glad > to have found this forum. > > > > My problem began in the summer of 2009 when I moved into an apartment > with a pigeon nesting on the small balcony off my bedroom. When the > mother left the baby

small black mites began to enter my room and the > problems began. The first week my body was covered in tiny red itchy > welts. I had a pest company spray my apartment several times. I kept my > clothes in totes with moth balls, washed and dried my clothes and > bedding daily.. drying all clothes before wearing them. I never wear the > same thing twice in a row. > > > > Nearly three years and three apartments later I am still experiencing > problems. I get tiny red bumps all over my body, mostly on my chest and > legs. They don't itch terribly, but they look awful. I also experience > the crawling sensation periodically throughout the day. > > > > Here are a few things I would love to get feedback on. > > > > I am able to sleep throughout the night, this hasn't been an issue for > me since at least a month after it all began in

2009. If I do have > problems sleeping it's because of anxiety rather than feeling like bugs > are on me - what does this mean when so many of you are kept up at night > because of the sensations? > > > > I have lived with two different people at the height of my problem, > neither seemed to be affected. Why is that? > > > > Why could I see them in the beginning of my infestation, but no longer > can see a thing? This is the part drives me the most crazy. If I can't > see them, how do I effectively treat? > > > > I have never felt like I have had internal issues regarding the mites. > I don't cough, have itchy nostrils or ears or eyes. My scalp itches on > occasion, but I've chalked that up to being winter and having a dry > scalp in general. > > > > I feel relatively calm considering, but to counter that

incredibly > anxious, distraught, and hopeless. > > > > I worry that just because I can't seen the red welts that I'm being > bitten.. although I just don't know. I am inconstant fear that I will > spread this to ones I love. > > > > I remember thinking in the summer of 2009, "This is fine, in a few > months it'll be all over," and now here I am, still in the middle of all > it. > > > > I am thankful that I've found this community and to see that there are > people who have come out of this alright. > > > > ML > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > >

Posted March 16, 2012 · March 16, 2012

That's a good point Aggi. Maybe that is what I had too.Btw, I wish I were over there. My daughter has pneumonia right now and I have been very upset thinking I could help her and so far away. My granddaughter is sick too.From: "Aggi Assmann" <aggi_assmann@...>bird mites Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 6:39:42 AMSubject: Re: Re: New Member of the club......Thanks