Re: Re: Just Thinking Out Loud

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-The way I understand it is that bartonella cannot survive without a host, I don't think it can survive in dust, but in dust mites for sure. Aa On Apr 3, 2012, at 11:12 AM, alaire73 <alaire_fetters@...> wrote:

Thank you for writing this. I totally agree. Last summer when this all started I had the same eye infection and then again a couple months ago. Very similar to pink eye. My boyfriend has never experienced bites but his eyes have been watering painfully since this started. I have been getting bites everywhere I go. I woke up with a swollen black eye again. I am trying to keep up on cleaning so my house doesn't get totally infested again. I have this strange feeling I had Lyme for awhile just don't know where I got it. It is transmitted sexually for my cousin got it from husband and passed it on to their unborn child. They are healthy now. When I think back a few years ago my skin was always itchy I assumed I was allergic to dust mites. Then about 3 years ago i got lice out of the blue.My body has been hurting all over. All my joints hurt especially my lower back. The other night I lifted up my shirt and a tick was attached to my stomach. I feel like wherever I go all

bloodsuckers are out to get me. It makes perfect sense that anything that lives off blood can transmit all kinds of things from person to animal to person and so on. I refuse to let this get me down this warm season. Thinking of all of you

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> I was thinking about some of the things I've read over the years about bird mites, transmission of illnesses from mites and other vectors and I'm starting to piece together something that may or may not be of interest or relevant to any of you. But, read on.

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> It seems well known at this point that mites and other vectors like lice, fleas, biting flies and ticks are carrying Lyme Disease, Bartonella, Babesia and a host of other parasites and infections. If you get bit by any of these vectors your likelihood of getting Lyme Disease, Bartonella or another coinfection are likely. Sometimes a person's immune system can overcome and eliminate these infections, and sometimes the infections go into hiding for a long time and manifest at a later time.

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> In the past few years I've been trying to understand some of the worst of my illness symptoms, and whether they are Lyme symptoms or Bartonella or perhaps something else. Lately I'm focusing on Bartonella. I believe my eye symptoms are Bartonella and here is why:

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> 1. Bartonella is a bacteria; there are many subtypes now, and the bacteria is evolving and changing. I had an acute infection in the eyes 1-1/2 years ago that was the most painful thing I've ever experienced with my eyes. The thing that got rid of the infection was antibiotic drops and steroid drops. I've continued to get watery eyes, with lots of floaters. I also have a waxy substance on my face that in the past would form false pimples, or papules, that had a clear liquid in them rather than what is contained in a pimple.

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> 2. I noticed that when I recently stopped the antibiotics I had been taking a few weeks ago for the Bartonella (Doxy and Rifampin), the eye symptoms that had improved previously began to come back, which included floaters and watery eyes being the worst of the symptoms in the eyes. I also noticed a tension in neck and shoulder muscles reminiscent of what I had at the beginning of this illness almost 4 years ago. Symptoms worsened without the antibiotics in my system. When I started the antibiotics again those symptoms started to improve.

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> 3. Here is the part that gets pretty strange about these thoughts and my theory. I read recently that Bartonella is found not just in vectors such as ticks, mites, spiders, biting flies, mosquitoes, etc., but also in dust. Bartonella is a bacteria found also in dust. Many people have become infected with something while just doing yard work, or in some cases, while sitting across the table from someone with this same affliction. People with Morgellons have often reported things flying off of them. Could something in the dust be biting us? I used to think it was mites in the dust, but now I am wondering if it is the dust itself with the Bartonella in it that causes the biting symptoms and the crawling.

>

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> 4. From what I am reading from LLMD's such as Dr. Schiller, Bartonella has become the newest fastest growing infectious disease and is increasing at an alarming rate worldwide. Why would it be that Bartonella has become the most prevalent infectious disease throughout the world now? Possibilities included are a) genetic alteration of various bacteria (I read that Bartonella species were developed as bioweapons), global warming causing the increase of growth in certain bacterias and fungi c) chemtrail vapors contaminating the environment with this bioweaponized form of Bartonella d) being bit more frequently by ticks or other vectors that are giving us these diseases.

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> After the mites are gone is Bartonella still harbored in the body? The answer to that is yes. Many of the sensations I experience are Bartonella symptoms. Many of the people on this forum only started to get well when they started taking antibiotics, in fact, I'd say the majority of people here. Aandraya had all the typical symptoms of Lyme, Bartonella and Babesia. She no longer has fibers or sensations of biting, or crawling or movement on the body as she has been on antibiotics for over 2 years and antifungals as well. If Bartonella is contained in dust (and yes, much of my house dust contains fibers which are blue), it is the dust we have to be careful of.

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> I haven't finished this, but thought I would send it out anyway since this was on my mind today. I couldn't sleep so I'll post it now.

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Hi All,

Where do I find the signs and symptoms of Bartonella ? Are they similar to Lyme ones ?

4 months into Doxy and still having pre-full moon nightmares. The past 2 nights were simply terrible again.

Two nights ago almost zero sleep. I really feel like being "marked as a host". It seems like I am always getting "detected "by that strange film in my hair.

Von: Aandraya <aandraya@...>An: "bird mites " <bird mites > Gesendet: 1:24 Mittwoch, 4.April 2012Betreff: Re: Re: Just Thinking Out Loud

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The way I understand it is that bartonella cannot survive without a host, I don't think it can survive in dust, but in dust mites for sure.

Aa

On Apr 3, 2012, at 11:12 AM, alaire73 <alaire_fetters@...> wrote:

Thank you for writing this. I totally agree. Last summer when this all started I had the same eye infection and then again a couple months ago. Very similar to pink eye. My boyfriend has never experienced bites but his eyes have been watering painfully since this started. I have been getting bites everywhere I go. I woke up with a swollen black eye again. I am trying to keep up on cleaning so my house doesn't get totally infested again. I have this strange feeling I had Lyme for awhile just don't know where I got it. It is transmitted sexually for my cousin got it from husband and passed it on to their unborn child. They are healthy now. When I think back a few years ago my skin was always itchy I assumed I was allergic to dust mites. Then about 3 years ago i got lice out of the blue.My body has been hurting all over. All my joints hurt especially my lower back. The other night I lifted up my shirt and a tick was attached to my stomach. I feel like

wherever I go all bloodsuckers are out to get me. It makes perfect sense that anything that lives off blood can transmit all kinds of things from person to animal to person and so on. I refuse to let this get me down this warm season. Thinking of all of you>> > > > I was thinking about some of the things I've read over the years about bird mites, transmission of illnesses from mites and other vectors and I'm starting to piece together something that may or may not be of interest or relevant to any of you. But, read on. > > > It seems well known at this point that mites and other

vectors like lice, fleas, biting flies and ticks are carrying Lyme Disease, Bartonella, Babesia and a host of other parasites and infections. If you get bit by any of these vectors your likelihood of getting Lyme Disease, Bartonella or another coinfection are likely. Sometimes a person's immune system can overcome and eliminate these infections, and sometimes the infections go into hiding for a long time and manifest at a later time. > > > In the past few years I've been trying to understand some of the worst of my illness symptoms, and whether they are Lyme symptoms or Bartonella or perhaps something else. Lately I'm focusing on Bartonella. I believe my eye symptoms are Bartonella and here is why: > > > 1. Bartonella is a bacteria; there are many subtypes now, and the bacteria is evolving and changing. I had an acute infection in the eyes 1-1/2 years ago that was the most painful thing I've ever experienced

with my eyes. The thing that got rid of the infection was antibiotic drops and steroid drops. I've continued to get watery eyes, with lots of floaters. I also have a waxy substance on my face that in the past would form false pimples, or papules, that had a clear liquid in them rather than what is contained in a pimple. > > > 2. I noticed that when I recently stopped the antibiotics I had been taking a few weeks ago for the Bartonella (Doxy and Rifampin), the eye symptoms that had improved previously began to come back, which included floaters and watery eyes being the worst of the symptoms in the eyes. I also noticed a tension in neck and shoulder muscles reminiscent of what I had at the beginning of this illness almost 4 years ago. Symptoms worsened without the antibiotics in my system. When I started the antibiotics again those symptoms started to improve. > > > 3. Here is the part that gets pretty strange

about these thoughts and my theory. I read recently that Bartonella is found not just in vectors such as ticks, mites, spiders, biting flies, mosquitoes, etc., but also in dust. Bartonella is a bacteria found also in dust. Many people have become infected with something while just doing yard work, or in some cases, while sitting across the table from someone with this same affliction. People with Morgellons have often reported things flying off of them. Could something in the dust be biting us? I used to think it was mites in the dust, but now I am wondering if it is the dust itself with the Bartonella in it that causes the biting symptoms and the crawling. > > > 4. From what I am reading from LLMD's such as Dr. Schiller, Bartonella has become the newest fastest growing infectious disease and is increasing at an alarming rate worldwide. Why would it be that Bartonella has become the most prevalent infectious disease throughout the

world now? Possibilities included are a) genetic alteration of various bacteria (I read that Bartonella species were developed as bioweapons), global warming causing the increase of growth in certain bacterias and fungi c) chemtrail vapors contaminating the environment with this bioweaponized form of Bartonella d) being bit more frequently by ticks or other vectors that are giving us these diseases. > > > After the mites are gone is Bartonella still harbored in the body? The answer to that is yes. Many of the sensations I experience are Bartonella symptoms. Many of the people on this forum only started to get well when they started taking antibiotics, in fact, I'd say the majority of people here. Aandraya had all the typical symptoms of Lyme, Bartonella and Babesia. She no longer has fibers or sensations of biting, or crawling or movement on the body as she has been on antibiotics for over 2 years and antifungals as well. If

Bartonella is contained in dust (and yes, much of my house dust contains fibers which are blue), it is the dust we have to be careful of. > > > I haven't finished this, but thought I would send it out anyway since this was on my mind today. I couldn't sleep so I'll post it now. > > > >

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Hi, Aggi!

So sorry to hear that. It has seemed like you´ve been so well for a long time. Let´s hope you feel better soon again.

Hugs

Cecilia

From: Aggi Assmann <aggi_assmann@...>"bird mites " <bird mites > Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 2:34 PMSubject: Re: Re: Just Thinking Out Loud

Hi All,

Where do I find the signs and symptoms of Bartonella ? Are they similar to Lyme ones ?

4 months into Doxy and still having pre-full moon nightmares. The past 2 nights were simply terrible again.

Two nights ago almost zero sleep. I really feel like being "marked as a host". It seems like I am always getting "detected "by that strange film in my hair.

Von: Aandraya <aandraya@...>An: "bird mites " <bird mites > Gesendet: 1:24 Mittwoch, 4.April 2012Betreff: Re: Re: Just Thinking Out Loud

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The way I understand it is that bartonella cannot survive without a host, I don't think it can survive in dust, but in dust mites for sure.

Aa

On Apr 3, 2012, at 11:12 AM, alaire73 <alaire_fetters@...> wrote:

Thank you for writing this. I totally agree. Last summer when this all started I had the same eye infection and then again a couple months ago. Very similar to pink eye. My boyfriend has never experienced bites but his eyes have been watering painfully since this started. I have been getting bites everywhere I go. I woke up with a swollen black eye again. I am trying to keep up on cleaning so my house doesn't get totally infested again. I have this strange feeling I had Lyme for awhile just don't know where I got it. It is transmitted sexually for my cousin got it from husband and passed it on to their unborn child. They are healthy now. When I think back a few years ago my skin was always itchy I assumed I was allergic to dust mites. Then about 3 years ago i got lice out of the blue.My body has been hurting all over. All my joints hurt especially my lower back. The other night I lifted up my shirt and a tick was attached to my stomach. I feel like

wherever I go all bloodsuckers are out to get me. It makes perfect sense that anything that lives off blood can transmit all kinds of things from person to animal to person and so on. I refuse to let this get me down this warm season. Thinking of all of you>> > > > I was thinking about some of the things I've read over the years about bird mites, transmission of illnesses from mites and other vectors and I'm starting to piece together something that may or may not be of interest or relevant to any of you. But, read on. > > > It seems well known at this point that mites and other

vectors like lice, fleas, biting flies and ticks are carrying Lyme Disease, Bartonella, Babesia and a host of other parasites and infections. If you get bit by any of these vectors your likelihood of getting Lyme Disease, Bartonella or another coinfection are likely. Sometimes a person's immune system can overcome and eliminate these infections, and sometimes the infections go into hiding for a long time and manifest at a later time. > > > In the past few years I've been trying to understand some of the worst of my illness symptoms, and whether they are Lyme symptoms or Bartonella or perhaps something else. Lately I'm focusing on Bartonella. I believe my eye symptoms are Bartonella and here is why: > > > 1. Bartonella is a bacteria; there are many subtypes now, and the bacteria is evolving and changing. I had an acute infection in the eyes 1-1/2 years ago that was the most painful thing I've ever experienced

with my eyes. The thing that got rid of the infection was antibiotic drops and steroid drops. I've continued to get watery eyes, with lots of floaters. I also have a waxy substance on my face that in the past would form false pimples, or papules, that had a clear liquid in them rather than what is contained in a pimple. > > > 2. I noticed that when I recently stopped the antibiotics I had been taking a few weeks ago for the Bartonella (Doxy and Rifampin), the eye symptoms that had improved previously began to come back, which included floaters and watery eyes being the worst of the symptoms in the eyes. I also noticed a tension in neck and shoulder muscles reminiscent of what I had at the beginning of this illness almost 4 years ago. Symptoms worsened without the antibiotics in my system. When I started the antibiotics again those symptoms started to improve. > > > 3. Here is the part that gets pretty strange

about these thoughts and my theory. I read recently that Bartonella is found not just in vectors such as ticks, mites, spiders, biting flies, mosquitoes, etc., but also in dust. Bartonella is a bacteria found also in dust. Many people have become infected with something while just doing yard work, or in some cases, while sitting across the table from someone with this same affliction. People with Morgellons have often reported things flying off of them. Could something in the dust be biting us? I used to think it was mites in the dust, but now I am wondering if it is the dust itself with the Bartonella in it that causes the biting symptoms and the crawling. > > > 4. From what I am reading from LLMD's such as Dr. Schiller, Bartonella has become the newest fastest growing infectious disease and is increasing at an alarming rate worldwide. Why would it be that Bartonella has become the most prevalent infectious disease throughout the

world now? Possibilities included are a) genetic alteration of various bacteria (I read that Bartonella species were developed as bioweapons), global warming causing the increase of growth in certain bacterias and fungi c) chemtrail vapors contaminating the environment with this bioweaponized form of Bartonella d) being bit more frequently by ticks or other vectors that are giving us these diseases. > > > After the mites are gone is Bartonella still harbored in the body? The answer to that is yes. Many of the sensations I experience are Bartonella symptoms. Many of the people on this forum only started to get well when they started taking antibiotics, in fact, I'd say the majority of people here. Aandraya had all the typical symptoms of Lyme, Bartonella and Babesia. She no longer has fibers or sensations of biting, or crawling or movement on the body as she has been on antibiotics for over 2 years and antifungals as well. If

Bartonella is contained in dust (and yes, much of my house dust contains fibers which are blue), it is the dust we have to be careful of. > > > I haven't finished this, but thought I would send it out anyway since this was on my mind today. I couldn't sleep so I'll post it now. > > > >

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Thanks Marie. I am going to read the entire book. From: "healinghope" <mfrreman@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 7:01:01 AMSubject: Re: Just Thinking Out LoudGreat ebook Aggi if you cannot download PDF let me know pleasehttp://www.personalconsult.com/BabesiaUpdate2009-Ebook.pdf> >>> >> > >> > >> > >> I was thinking about some of the things I've read over the years about bird mites, transmission of illnesses from mites and other vectors and I'm starting to piece together something that may or may not be of interest or relevant to any of you. But, read on. > >> > >> > >> It seems well known at this point that mites and other vectors like lice, fleas, biting flies and ticks are carrying Lyme Disease, Bartonella, Babesia and a host of other parasites and infections. If you get bit by any of these vectors your likelihood of getting Lyme Disease, Bartonella or another coinfection are likely. Sometimes a person's immune system can overcome and eliminate these infections, and sometimes the infections go into hiding for a long time and manifest at a later time. > >> > >> > >> In the past few years I've been trying to understand some of the worst of my illness symptoms, and whether they are Lyme symptoms or Bartonella or perhaps something else. Lately I'm focusing on Bartonella. I believe my eye symptoms are Bartonella and here is why: > >> > >> > >> 1. Bartonella is a bacteria; there are many subtypes now, and the bacteria is evolving and changing. I had an acute infection in the eyes 1-1/2 years ago that was the most painful thing I've ever experienced with my eyes. The thing that got rid of the infection was antibiotic drops and steroid drops. I've continued to get watery eyes, with lots of floaters. I also have a waxy substance on my face that in the past would form false pimples, or papules, that had a clear liquid in them rather than what is contained in a pimple. > >> > >> > >> 2. I noticed that when I recently stopped the antibiotics I had been taking a few weeks ago for the Bartonella (Doxy and Rifampin), the eye symptoms that had improved previously began to come back, which included floaters and watery eyes being the worst of the symptoms in the eyes. I also noticed a tension in neck and shoulder muscles reminiscent of what I had at the beginning of this illness almost 4 years ago. Symptoms worsened without the antibiotics in my system. When I started the antibiotics again those symptoms started to improve. > >> > >> > >> 3. Here is the part that gets pretty strange about these thoughts and my theory. I read recently that Bartonella is found not just in vectors such as ticks, mites, spiders, biting flies, mosquitoes, etc., but also in dust. Bartonella is a bacteria found also in dust. Many people have become infected with something while just doing yard work, or in some cases, while sitting across the table from someone with this same affliction. People with Morgellons have often reported things flying off of them. Could something in the dust be biting us? I used to think it was mites in the dust, but now I am wondering if it is the dust itself with the Bartonella in it that causes the biting symptoms and the crawling. > >> > >> > >> 4. From what I am reading from LLMD's such as Dr. Schiller, Bartonella has become the newest fastest growing infectious disease and is increasing at an alarming rate worldwide. Why would it be that Bartonella has become the most prevalent infectious disease throughout the world now? Possibilities included are a) genetic alteration of various bacteria (I read that Bartonella species were developed as bioweapons), global warming causing the increase of growth in certain bacterias and fungi c) chemtrail vapors contaminating the environment with this bioweaponized form of Bartonella d) being bit more frequently by ticks or other vectors that are giving us these diseases. > >> > >> > >> After the mites are gone is Bartonella still harbored in the body? The answer to that is yes. Many of the sensations I experience are Bartonella symptoms. Many of the people on this forum only started to get well when they started taking antibiotics, in fact, I'd say the majority of people here. Aandraya had all the typical symptoms of Lyme, Bartonella and Babesia. She no longer has fibers or sensations of biting, or crawling or movement on the body as she has been on antibiotics for over 2 years and antifungals as well. If Bartonella is contained in dust (and yes, much of my house dust contains fibers which are blue), it is the dust we have to be careful of. > >> > >> > >> I haven't finished this, but thought I would send it out anyway since this was on my mind today. I couldn't sleep so I'll post it now. > >> > >> > >> > >>> >> >>------------------------------------

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I have read that some Bart was designed as a bioweapon... Who is to say it cannot live for a long time in dust or maybe it is living in microscopic living organisms in dust. Could it be it lives in dust mites?Sent from my iPodOn Apr 3, 2012, at 4:24 PM, Aandraya <aandraya@...> wrote:

-The way I understand it is that bartonella cannot survive without a host, I don't think it can survive in dust, but in dust mites for sure. Aa On Apr 3, 2012, at 11:12 AM, alaire73 <alaire_fetters@...> wrote:

Thank you for writing this. I totally agree. Last summer when this all started I had the same eye infection and then again a couple months ago. Very similar to pink eye. My boyfriend has never experienced bites but his eyes have been watering painfully since this started. I have been getting bites everywhere I go. I woke up with a swollen black eye again. I am trying to keep up on cleaning so my house doesn't get totally infested again. I have this strange feeling I had Lyme for awhile just don't know where I got it. It is transmitted sexually for my cousin got it from husband and passed it on to their unborn child. They are healthy now. When I think back a few years ago my skin was always itchy I assumed I was allergic to dust mites. Then about 3 years ago i got lice out of the blue.My body has been hurting all over. All my joints hurt especially my lower back. The other night I lifted up my shirt and a tick was attached to my stomach. I feel like wherever I go all

bloodsuckers are out to get me. It makes perfect sense that anything that lives off blood can transmit all kinds of things from person to animal to person and so on. I refuse to let this get me down this warm season. Thinking of all of you

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>

>

> I was thinking about some of the things I've read over the years about bird mites, transmission of illnesses from mites and other vectors and I'm starting to piece together something that may or may not be of interest or relevant to any of you. But, read on.

>

>

> It seems well known at this point that mites and other vectors like lice, fleas, biting flies and ticks are carrying Lyme Disease, Bartonella, Babesia and a host of other parasites and infections. If you get bit by any of these vectors your likelihood of getting Lyme Disease, Bartonella or another coinfection are likely. Sometimes a person's immune system can overcome and eliminate these infections, and sometimes the infections go into hiding for a long time and manifest at a later time.

>

>

> In the past few years I've been trying to understand some of the worst of my illness symptoms, and whether they are Lyme symptoms or Bartonella or perhaps something else. Lately I'm focusing on Bartonella. I believe my eye symptoms are Bartonella and here is why:

>

>

> 1. Bartonella is a bacteria; there are many subtypes now, and the bacteria is evolving and changing. I had an acute infection in the eyes 1-1/2 years ago that was the most painful thing I've ever experienced with my eyes. The thing that got rid of the infection was antibiotic drops and steroid drops. I've continued to get watery eyes, with lots of floaters. I also have a waxy substance on my face that in the past would form false pimples, or papules, that had a clear liquid in them rather than what is contained in a pimple.

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> 2. I noticed that when I recently stopped the antibiotics I had been taking a few weeks ago for the Bartonella (Doxy and Rifampin), the eye symptoms that had improved previously began to come back, which included floaters and watery eyes being the worst of the symptoms in the eyes. I also noticed a tension in neck and shoulder muscles reminiscent of what I had at the beginning of this illness almost 4 years ago. Symptoms worsened without the antibiotics in my system. When I started the antibiotics again those symptoms started to improve.

>

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> 3. Here is the part that gets pretty strange about these thoughts and my theory. I read recently that Bartonella is found not just in vectors such as ticks, mites, spiders, biting flies, mosquitoes, etc., but also in dust. Bartonella is a bacteria found also in dust. Many people have become infected with something while just doing yard work, or in some cases, while sitting across the table from someone with this same affliction. People with Morgellons have often reported things flying off of them. Could something in the dust be biting us? I used to think it was mites in the dust, but now I am wondering if it is the dust itself with the Bartonella in it that causes the biting symptoms and the crawling.

>

>

> 4. From what I am reading from LLMD's such as Dr. Schiller, Bartonella has become the newest fastest growing infectious disease and is increasing at an alarming rate worldwide. Why would it be that Bartonella has become the most prevalent infectious disease throughout the world now? Possibilities included are a) genetic alteration of various bacteria (I read that Bartonella species were developed as bioweapons), global warming causing the increase of growth in certain bacterias and fungi c) chemtrail vapors contaminating the environment with this bioweaponized form of Bartonella d) being bit more frequently by ticks or other vectors that are giving us these diseases.

>

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> After the mites are gone is Bartonella still harbored in the body? The answer to that is yes. Many of the sensations I experience are Bartonella symptoms. Many of the people on this forum only started to get well when they started taking antibiotics, in fact, I'd say the majority of people here. Aandraya had all the typical symptoms of Lyme, Bartonella and Babesia. She no longer has fibers or sensations of biting, or crawling or movement on the body as she has been on antibiotics for over 2 years and antifungals as well. If Bartonella is contained in dust (and yes, much of my house dust contains fibers which are blue), it is the dust we have to be careful of.

>

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> I haven't finished this, but thought I would send it out anyway since this was on my mind today. I couldn't sleep so I'll post it now.

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Great Info Marie, thank you very much ! I only have one of the listed symptoms, which is joint pain in one of my knees plus stiffness on the side of that leg.

My doctor puts this down to exessive sports i've been doing all my life or lets say before this all happened. The knee problems started about 5 months ago, just right before I started with the doxy treatment, but the medication hasn't done anything apart from the fact, that the mites do not bite me as hard as they used to do. In general, life has become a lot easier, but deep down I feel like it will never be as good again, especially around full moon nights.

How are you doing Marie, are you okay?

Von: healinghope <mfrreman@...>An: bird mites Gesendet: 16:03 Mittwoch, 4.April 2012Betreff: Re: Just Thinking Out Loud

Copyright infringement sorryhttp://www.personalconsult.com/articles/updated-babesia-textbook.html> > >>> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> I was thinking about some of the things I've read over the years about bird mites, transmission of illnesses from mites and other vectors and I'm starting to piece together something that may or may not be of interest or relevant to any of you. But, read on. > > >> > > >> > > >> It seems well known at this point that mites and other vectors like lice, fleas, biting flies and ticks are carrying Lyme Disease, Bartonella, Babesia and a host of other parasites and infections. If you get bit by any of these vectors your likelihood of getting Lyme Disease, Bartonella or another coinfection are likely. Sometimes a person's immune system can overcome and eliminate these infections, and sometimes the infections go into hiding for a long time and manifest at a later time. > > >>

> > >> > > >> In the past few years I've been trying to understand some of the worst of my illness symptoms, and whether they are Lyme symptoms or Bartonella or perhaps something else. Lately I'm focusing on Bartonella. I believe my eye symptoms are Bartonella and here is why: > > >> > > >> > > >> 1. Bartonella is a bacteria; there are many subtypes now, and the bacteria is evolving and changing. I had an acute infection in the eyes 1-1/2 years ago that was the most painful thing I've ever experienced with my eyes. The thing that got rid of the infection was antibiotic drops and steroid drops. I've continued to get watery eyes, with lots of floaters. I also have a waxy substance on my face that in the past would form false pimples, or papules, that had a clear liquid in them rather than what is contained in a pimple. > > >> > > >> >

> >> 2. I noticed that when I recently stopped the antibiotics I had been taking a few weeks ago for the Bartonella (Doxy and Rifampin), the eye symptoms that had improved previously began to come back, which included floaters and watery eyes being the worst of the symptoms in the eyes. I also noticed a tension in neck and shoulder muscles reminiscent of what I had at the beginning of this illness almost 4 years ago. Symptoms worsened without the antibiotics in my system. When I started the antibiotics again those symptoms started to improve. > > >> > > >> > > >> 3. Here is the part that gets pretty strange about these thoughts and my theory. I read recently that Bartonella is found not just in vectors such as ticks, mites, spiders, biting flies, mosquitoes, etc., but also in dust. Bartonella is a bacteria found also in dust. Many people have become infected with something while just doing yard

work, or in some cases, while sitting across the table from someone with this same affliction. People with Morgellons have often reported things flying off of them. Could something in the dust be biting us? I used to think it was mites in the dust, but now I am wondering if it is the dust itself with the Bartonella in it that causes the biting symptoms and the crawling. > > >> > > >> > > >> 4. From what I am reading from LLMD's such as Dr. Schiller, Bartonella has become the newest fastest growing infectious disease and is increasing at an alarming rate worldwide. Why would it be that Bartonella has become the most prevalent infectious disease throughout the world now? Possibilities included are a) genetic alteration of various bacteria (I read that Bartonella species were developed as bioweapons), global warming causing the increase of growth in certain bacterias and fungi c) chemtrail vapors

contaminating the environment with this bioweaponized form of Bartonella d) being bit more frequently by ticks or other vectors that are giving us these diseases. > > >> > > >> > > >> After the mites are gone is Bartonella still harbored in the body? The answer to that is yes. Many of the sensations I experience are Bartonella symptoms. Many of the people on this forum only started to get well when they started taking antibiotics, in fact, I'd say the majority of people here. Aandraya had all the typical symptoms of Lyme, Bartonella and Babesia. She no longer has fibers or sensations of biting, or crawling or movement on the body as she has been on antibiotics for over 2 years and antifungals as well. If Bartonella is contained in dust (and yes, much of my house dust contains fibers which are blue), it is the dust we have to be careful of. > > >> > > >> > >

>> I haven't finished this, but thought I would send it out anyway since this was on my mind today. I couldn't sleep so I'll post it now. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> > >> > >> >>

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If "s theory with Bartonella living in dust respectively dust mites, then this might be the reason I am always having problems in carpeted areas like my office and car. I do not have problems with my hair at home, which I am keeping very very clean with the help of Lysol, Windex, Alcohol and hoovering.

The longer I stay on these carpets, the worse it gets. Leaving the office at the end of the day, my hair feels like being alive and where it touches my skin on temples and forehead, it gets real itchy. Although there is hardly any mites bothering me now in office and car, the hair problem still persists and I do not know what to do about it. Funny enough, a little bit of water or alcohol, rubbed in my hands and then put on these areas, usually helps instantly.

Von: Mik <mikbirwin@...>An: bird mites Gesendet: 18:04 Mittwoch, 4.April 2012Betreff: Re: Just Thinking Out Loud

Very Interesting post.What is your view on hair? And the relation of why some have problems with their hair, having to keep it cut and or shaved?Would like to hear your view. Mik>> > > > I was thinking about some of the things I've read over the years about bird mites, transmission of illnesses from mites and other vectors and I'm starting to piece together something that may or may not be of interest or relevant to any of you. But, read on. > > > It seems well known at this point that mites and other vectors like lice, fleas, biting flies and ticks are carrying Lyme Disease, Bartonella, Babesia and a host of other parasites and infections. If you get bit by any of these

vectors your likelihood of getting Lyme Disease, Bartonella or another coinfection are likely. Sometimes a person's immune system can overcome and eliminate these infections, and sometimes the infections go into hiding for a long time and manifest at a later time. > > > In the past few years I've been trying to understand some of the worst of my illness symptoms, and whether they are Lyme symptoms or Bartonella or perhaps something else. Lately I'm focusing on Bartonella. I believe my eye symptoms are Bartonella and here is why: > > > 1. Bartonella is a bacteria; there are many subtypes now, and the bacteria is evolving and changing. I had an acute infection in the eyes 1-1/2 years ago that was the most painful thing I've ever experienced with my eyes. The thing that got rid of the infection was antibiotic drops and steroid drops. I've continued to get watery eyes, with lots of floaters. I also have a waxy

substance on my face that in the past would form false pimples, or papules, that had a clear liquid in them rather than what is contained in a pimple. > > > 2. I noticed that when I recently stopped the antibiotics I had been taking a few weeks ago for the Bartonella (Doxy and Rifampin), the eye symptoms that had improved previously began to come back, which included floaters and watery eyes being the worst of the symptoms in the eyes. I also noticed a tension in neck and shoulder muscles reminiscent of what I had at the beginning of this illness almost 4 years ago. Symptoms worsened without the antibiotics in my system. When I started the antibiotics again those symptoms started to improve. > > > 3. Here is the part that gets pretty strange about these thoughts and my theory. I read recently that Bartonella is found not just in vectors such as ticks, mites, spiders, biting flies, mosquitoes, etc., but also in

dust. Bartonella is a bacteria found also in dust. Many people have become infected with something while just doing yard work, or in some cases, while sitting across the table from someone with this same affliction. People with Morgellons have often reported things flying off of them. Could something in the dust be biting us? I used to think it was mites in the dust, but now I am wondering if it is the dust itself with the Bartonella in it that causes the biting symptoms and the crawling. > > > 4. From what I am reading from LLMD's such as Dr. Schiller, Bartonella has become the newest fastest growing infectious disease and is increasing at an alarming rate worldwide. Why would it be that Bartonella has become the most prevalent infectious disease throughout the world now? Possibilities included are a) genetic alteration of various bacteria (I read that Bartonella species were developed as bioweapons), global warming causing the

increase of growth in certain bacterias and fungi c) chemtrail vapors contaminating the environment with this bioweaponized form of Bartonella d) being bit more frequently by ticks or other vectors that are giving us these diseases. > > > After the mites are gone is Bartonella still harbored in the body? The answer to that is yes. Many of the sensations I experience are Bartonella symptoms. Many of the people on this forum only started to get well when they started taking antibiotics, in fact, I'd say the majority of people here. Aandraya had all the typical symptoms of Lyme, Bartonella and Babesia. She no longer has fibers or sensations of biting, or crawling or movement on the body as she has been on antibiotics for over 2 years and antifungals as well. If Bartonella is contained in dust (and yes, much of my house dust contains fibers which are blue), it is the dust we have to be careful of. > > > I haven't

finished this, but thought I would send it out anyway since this was on my mind today. I couldn't sleep so I'll post it now. > > > >

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You always provide the best links here Marie, thanks again for encouraging me ! I am going to try some of the herx preventing treatments, I have already noticed that hot baths or a hot water bottle being put on the leg, does help and delivers comfort. I will squeeze some fresh lemon juice into my herbal tea right now :-)

So glad that you have beaten the beast successfully ! It is really helpful hearing some positive stories. Guess I am one of them, coz I only change my bed sheets once a week now as well. It is just now and then I am losing my patience, because the healing process is so loooong... almost 3 years for me now.

How many years did your battle take ?

Von: healinghope <mfrreman@...>An: bird mites Gesendet: 22:04 Mittwoch, 4.April 2012Betreff: Re: Just Thinking Out Loud

Aggi had the same stress of thinking it would never be right again. But it is. Just last night I thought it has been a week since changing sheets. Now I launder and shower for hygiene and rarely think of my past misery. It was years of fighting, and continued prevention, but it can be beat. Taking the doxy you may be having some herxing. http://www.lyme-disease-research-database.com/lyme_disease_stories.htmlhttp://austinburg.com/Your%20Health/herxheimer_reaction.htm--- In bird mites , Aggi Assmann <aggi_assmann@...> wrote:>> Great Info Marie, thank you very much

! I only have one of the listed symptoms, which is joint pain in one of my knees plus stiffness on the side of that leg.> My doctor puts this down to exessive sports i've been doing all my life or lets say before this all happened. The knee problems started about 5 months ago, just right before I started with the doxy treatment, but the medication hasn't done anything apart from the fact, that the mites do not bite me as hard as they used to do. In general, life has become a lot easier, but deep down I feel like it will never be as good again, especially around full moon nights.> Â > How are you doing Marie, are you okay?> > > ________________________________> Von: healinghope <mfrreman@...>> An: bird mites > Gesendet: 16:03 Mittwoch,

4.April 2012> Betreff: Re: Just Thinking Out Loud> > > Â > Copyright infringement sorry> http://www.personalconsult.com/articles/updated-babesia-textbook.html> > > > > >>> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> I was thinking about some of the things I've read over the years about bird mites, transmission of illnesses from mites and other vectors and I'm starting to piece together something that may or may not be of interest or relevant to any of you. But, read on. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> It seems well known at this point that mites and other vectors like lice, fleas, biting flies and ticks

are carrying Lyme Disease, Bartonella, Babesia and a host of other parasites and infections. If you get bit by any of these vectors your likelihood of getting Lyme Disease, Bartonella or another coinfection are likely. Sometimes a person's immune system can overcome and eliminate these infections, and sometimes the infections go into hiding for a long time and manifest at a later time. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> In the past few years I've been trying to understand some of the worst of my illness symptoms, and whether they are Lyme symptoms or Bartonella or perhaps something else. Lately I'm focusing on Bartonella. I believe my eye symptoms are Bartonella and here is why: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> 1. Bartonella is a bacteria; there are many subtypes now, and the bacteria is evolving and changing. I had an acute infection in the eyes 1-1/2

years ago that was the most painful thing I've ever experienced with my eyes. The thing that got rid of the infection was antibiotic drops and steroid drops. I've continued to get watery eyes, with lots of floaters. I also have a waxy substance on my face that in the past would form false pimples, or papules, that had a clear liquid in them rather than what is contained in a pimple. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> 2. I noticed that when I recently stopped the antibiotics I had been taking a few weeks ago for the Bartonella (Doxy and Rifampin), the eye symptoms that had improved previously began to come back, which included floaters and watery eyes being the worst of the symptoms in the eyes. I also noticed a tension in neck and shoulder muscles reminiscent of what I had at the beginning of this illness almost 4 years ago. Symptoms worsened without the antibiotics in my system. When I started the

antibiotics again those symptoms started to improve. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> 3. Here is the part that gets pretty strange about these thoughts and my theory. I read recently that Bartonella is found not just in vectors such as ticks, mites, spiders, biting flies, mosquitoes, etc., but also in dust. Bartonella is a bacteria found also in dust. Many people have become infected with something while just doing yard work, or in some cases, while sitting across the table from someone with this same affliction. People with Morgellons have often reported things flying off of them. Could something in the dust be biting us? I used to think it was mites in the dust, but now I am wondering if it is the dust itself with the Bartonella in it that causes the biting symptoms and the crawling. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> 4. From what I am reading from

LLMD's such as Dr. Schiller, Bartonella has become the newest fastest growing infectious disease and is increasing at an alarming rate worldwide. Why would it be that Bartonella has become the most prevalent infectious disease throughout the world now? Possibilities included are a) genetic alteration of various bacteria (I read that Bartonella species were developed as bioweapons), global warming causing the increase of growth in certain bacterias and fungi c) chemtrail vapors contaminating the environment with this bioweaponized form of Bartonella d) being bit more frequently by ticks or other vectors that are giving us these diseases. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> After the mites are gone is Bartonella still harbored in the body? The answer to that is yes. Many of the sensations I experience are Bartonella symptoms. Many of the people on this forum only started to get well when they started

taking antibiotics, in fact, I'd say the majority of people here. Aandraya had all the typical symptoms of Lyme, Bartonella and Babesia. She no longer has fibers or sensations of biting, or crawling or movement on the body as she has been on antibiotics for over 2 years and antifungals as well. If Bartonella is contained in dust (and yes, much of my house dust contains fibers which are blue), it is the dust we have to be careful of. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> I haven't finished this, but thought I would send it out anyway since this was on my mind today. I couldn't sleep so I'll post it now. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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Thank you Cecilia ! My overall situation is quite good, but the full moon week can still be a killer.

Looking forward to having 4 days off for Easter :-)

Happy Easter to you Cecilia!

Hugs back,

Aggi

Von: Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...>An: "bird mites " <bird mites > Gesendet: 15:00 Mittwoch, 4.April 2012Betreff: Re: Re: Just Thinking Out Loud

Hi, Aggi!

So sorry to hear that. It has seemed like you´ve been so well for a long time. Let´s hope you feel better soon again.

Hugs

Cecilia

From: Aggi Assmann <aggi_assmann@...>"bird mites " <bird mites > Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 2:34 PMSubject: Re: Re: Just Thinking Out Loud

Hi All,

Where do I find the signs and symptoms of Bartonella ? Are they similar to Lyme ones ?

4 months into Doxy and still having pre-full moon nightmares. The past 2 nights were simply terrible again.

Two nights ago almost zero sleep. I really feel like being "marked as a host". It seems like I am always getting "detected "by that strange film in my hair.

Von: Aandraya <aandraya@...>An: "bird mites " <bird mites > Gesendet: 1:24 Mittwoch, 4.April 2012Betreff: Re: Re: Just Thinking Out Loud

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The way I understand it is that bartonella cannot survive without a host, I don't think it can survive in dust, but in dust mites for sure.

Aa

On Apr 3, 2012, at 11:12 AM, alaire73 <alaire_fetters@...> wrote:

Thank you for writing this. I totally agree. Last summer when this all started I had the same eye infection and then again a couple months ago. Very similar to pink eye. My boyfriend has never experienced bites but his eyes have been watering painfully since this started. I have been getting bites everywhere I go. I woke up with a swollen black eye again. I am trying to keep up on cleaning so my house doesn't get totally infested again. I have this strange feeling I had Lyme for awhile just don't know where I got it. It is transmitted sexually for my cousin got it from husband and passed it on to their unborn child. They are healthy now. When I think back a few years ago my skin was always itchy I assumed I was allergic to dust mites. Then about 3 years ago i got lice out of the blue.My body has been hurting all over. All my joints hurt especially my lower back. The other night I lifted up my shirt and a tick was attached to my stomach. I feel like

wherever I go all bloodsuckers are out to get me. It makes perfect sense that anything that lives off blood can transmit all kinds of things from person to animal to person and so on. I refuse to let this get me down this warm season. Thinking of all of you>> > > > I was thinking about some of the things I've read over the years about bird mites, transmission of illnesses from mites and other vectors and I'm starting to piece together something that may or may not be of interest or relevant to any of you. But, read on. > > > It seems well known at this point that mites and other

vectors like lice, fleas, biting flies and ticks are carrying Lyme Disease, Bartonella, Babesia and a host of other parasites and infections. If you get bit by any of these vectors your likelihood of getting Lyme Disease, Bartonella or another coinfection are likely. Sometimes a person's immune system can overcome and eliminate these infections, and sometimes the infections go into hiding for a long time and manifest at a later time. > > > In the past few years I've been trying to understand some of the worst of my illness symptoms, and whether they are Lyme symptoms or Bartonella or perhaps something else. Lately I'm focusing on Bartonella. I believe my eye symptoms are Bartonella and here is why: > > > 1. Bartonella is a bacteria; there are many subtypes now, and the bacteria is evolving and changing. I had an acute infection in the eyes 1-1/2 years ago that was the most painful thing I've ever experienced

with my eyes. The thing that got rid of the infection was antibiotic drops and steroid drops. I've continued to get watery eyes, with lots of floaters. I also have a waxy substance on my face that in the past would form false pimples, or papules, that had a clear liquid in them rather than what is contained in a pimple. > > > 2. I noticed that when I recently stopped the antibiotics I had been taking a few weeks ago for the Bartonella (Doxy and Rifampin), the eye symptoms that had improved previously began to come back, which included floaters and watery eyes being the worst of the symptoms in the eyes. I also noticed a tension in neck and shoulder muscles reminiscent of what I had at the beginning of this illness almost 4 years ago. Symptoms worsened without the antibiotics in my system. When I started the antibiotics again those symptoms started to improve. > > > 3. Here is the part that gets pretty strange

about these thoughts and my theory. I read recently that Bartonella is found not just in vectors such as ticks, mites, spiders, biting flies, mosquitoes, etc., but also in dust. Bartonella is a bacteria found also in dust. Many people have become infected with something while just doing yard work, or in some cases, while sitting across the table from someone with this same affliction. People with Morgellons have often reported things flying off of them. Could something in the dust be biting us? I used to think it was mites in the dust, but now I am wondering if it is the dust itself with the Bartonella in it that causes the biting symptoms and the crawling. > > > 4. From what I am reading from LLMD's such as Dr. Schiller, Bartonella has become the newest fastest growing infectious disease and is increasing at an alarming rate worldwide. Why would it be that Bartonella has become the most prevalent infectious disease throughout the

world now? Possibilities included are a) genetic alteration of various bacteria (I read that Bartonella species were developed as bioweapons), global warming causing the increase of growth in certain bacterias and fungi c) chemtrail vapors contaminating the environment with this bioweaponized form of Bartonella d) being bit more frequently by ticks or other vectors that are giving us these diseases. > > > After the mites are gone is Bartonella still harbored in the body? The answer to that is yes. Many of the sensations I experience are Bartonella symptoms. Many of the people on this forum only started to get well when they started taking antibiotics, in fact, I'd say the majority of people here. Aandraya had all the typical symptoms of Lyme, Bartonella and Babesia. She no longer has fibers or sensations of biting, or crawling or movement on the body as she has been on antibiotics for over 2 years and antifungals as well. If

Bartonella is contained in dust (and yes, much of my house dust contains fibers which are blue), it is the dust we have to be careful of. > > > I haven't finished this, but thought I would send it out anyway since this was on my mind today. I couldn't sleep so I'll post it now. > > > >

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Great ! A lot of stuff to read for my Easter holidays :-)

Agreed concerning the footprints !

Von: healinghope <mfrreman@...>An: bird mites Gesendet: 22:55 Mittwoch, 4.April 2012Betreff: Re: Just Thinking Out Loud

Another great ebook, free.http://www.lymediseaseresource.com/LymeCombatIX.pdf--- In bird mites , "healinghope" <mfrreman@...> wrote:>> Infected with Lyme and company I believe in 1999 in Missouri. My infestation in 2005 from a birds nest. I believe the infestation weakened me even more which made the Lyme stronger, and harder to tame. I will not state that the footprint will not always be with me from Lyme, because it will. > http://www.lyme-disease-research-database.com/index.html> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I was thinking about some of the things I've read over the years about bird mites, transmission of illnesses from mites and other vectors and I'm starting to piece together something that may or may not be

of interest or relevant to any of you. But, read on. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> It seems well known at this point that mites and other vectors like lice, fleas, biting flies and ticks are carrying Lyme Disease, Bartonella, Babesia and a host of other parasites and infections. If you get bit by any of these vectors your likelihood of getting Lyme Disease, Bartonella or another coinfection are likely. Sometimes a person's immune system can overcome and eliminate these infections, and sometimes the infections go into hiding for a long time and manifest at a later time. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> In the past few years I've been trying to understand some of the worst of my illness symptoms, and whether they are Lyme symptoms or Bartonella or perhaps something else. Lately I'm focusing on

Bartonella. I believe my eye symptoms are Bartonella and here is why: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> 1. Bartonella is a bacteria; there are many subtypes now, and the bacteria is evolving and changing. I had an acute infection in the eyes 1-1/2 years ago that was the most painful thing I've ever experienced with my eyes. The thing that got rid of the infection was antibiotic drops and steroid drops. I've continued to get watery eyes, with lots of floaters. I also have a waxy substance on my face that in the past would form false pimples, or papules, that had a clear liquid in them rather than what is contained in a pimple. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> 2. I noticed that when I recently stopped the antibiotics I had been taking a few weeks ago for the Bartonella (Doxy and Rifampin), the eye

symptoms that had improved previously began to come back, which included floaters and watery eyes being the worst of the symptoms in the eyes. I also noticed a tension in neck and shoulder muscles reminiscent of what I had at the beginning of this illness almost 4 years ago. Symptoms worsened without the antibiotics in my system. When I started the antibiotics again those symptoms started to improve. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> 3. Here is the part that gets pretty strange about these thoughts and my theory. I read recently that Bartonella is found not just in vectors such as ticks, mites, spiders, biting flies, mosquitoes, etc., but also in dust. Bartonella is a bacteria found also in dust. Many people have become infected with something while just doing yard work, or in some cases, while sitting across the table from someone with this same affliction. People with

Morgellons have often reported things flying off of them. Could something in the dust be biting us? I used to think it was mites in the dust, but now I am wondering if it is the dust itself with the Bartonella in it that causes the biting symptoms and the crawling. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> 4. From what I am reading from LLMD's such as Dr. Schiller, Bartonella has become the newest fastest growing infectious disease and is increasing at an alarming rate worldwide. Why would it be that Bartonella has become the most prevalent infectious disease throughout the world now? Possibilities included are a) genetic alteration of various bacteria (I read that Bartonella species were developed as bioweapons), global warming causing the increase of growth in certain bacterias and fungi c) chemtrail vapors contaminating the environment with this bioweaponized form of

Bartonella d) being bit more frequently by ticks or other vectors that are giving us these diseases. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> After the mites are gone is Bartonella still harbored in the body? The answer to that is yes. Many of the sensations I experience are Bartonella symptoms. Many of the people on this forum only started to get well when they started taking antibiotics, in fact, I'd say the majority of people here. Aandraya had all the typical symptoms of Lyme, Bartonella and Babesia. She no longer has fibers or sensations of biting, or crawling or movement on the body as she has been on antibiotics for over 2 years and antifungals as well. If Bartonella is contained in dust (and yes, much of my house dust contains fibers which are blue), it is the dust we have to be careful of. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >

> > > > >> I haven't finished this, but thought I would send it out anyway since this was on my mind today. I couldn't sleep so I'll post it now. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>