Guest guest Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 interesting take -I have seen what you describe as well. we all get a bit expat fixated(naturally),but there are also lots of docs,nurses and medics working in their own countries in the type of locations that this site caters for. when you get pinoy docs retraining as nurses to work in UK and states-that highlights some interesting anomalies in wages in this global marketplace. Here in Singapore I worked on a project about 7 years ago. some nurses and medics from then have retrained as safety. they earn more now than they would as pure medics/nurses. I suspect that as a result more of current nurse/medic salaries here being low (in a global market)rather than safety being high. If you don't want to move to another country for higher wages, then a different job in the same one with higher wages is the answer. market forces will always mean wages fluctuate,and supply and demand will always influence rates. as always-you try to make yourself as sellable as possible. personally I feel as an internationalist you have 3 options. 1-specialise in one field-be the best you can be. inevitably you will be capped unless you got to option 2. 2-management, can be various degrees of hands on-up to pure management. this means eventually either being in your company, or one of the big medic or client companies. 3-be a generalist and get basic qualies in as much as possible-you can then move around jobs-however you will always be capped at the level you work at and forces will pull you in one direction eventually-ie safety or medic. companies will always try to get as much as possible for as little as possible-you have to maximise your wages and employability within that framework. I always remember its ultimately a job-one that pays for my families lifestyle,one that I enjoy and take pride in doing as we all do,but a job. I also remember what its like not having one,or being on short term jobs and worrying where the next one is coming from. Merry Xmas,Happy Hanuka and Hari Raya Haji to you all. and everyone-keep safe. Fraser --- jonathan king <jkmedic@...> wrote: > Hello All,I can't help but notice thats lots of you > are keen on doing the > NEBOSH course & getting your safety tickets.I did > mine a few years ago as > a day release course. The big problem that I have > come across is that > employers do not want to pay medics the going Safety > Advisors rate, > almost all that I have come across just add a few > quid to the medics > rate. This makes for a very cheap safety advisor who > also covers their > Medic requirements. Two years ago one Aberdeen > agency was offering a day > rate of 450+ for a safety advisor & less then 250 > for a medicMaybe you > don't agree, if you know different I would be > interested to know. A very > Happy Christmas to all who are working over the > festive period & to those > luckier ones at home. RegardsJon King > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ___________________________________________________________ Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with For Good http://uk.promotions./forgood/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 Just goes to highlight what a joke the medics " role " is on a Rig/ship............ @...: sevenoceans.vstc@...: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 10:12:16 +0000Subject: Re: NEBOSH course I guess if you want to get 450 a day for sticking up safety notices instead of sticking on plasters then go for the 450 a day.Now that's a simplistic answer from a Grumpy old git (thought I would get that bit in before anybody else did) who will be spending Crimbo in the sunshine of Brazil.It just leaves me to say, " Desejando a todos um Feliz Natal. " Nigel>> Hello All,I can't help but notice thats lots of you are keen on doing the> NEBOSH course & getting your safety tickets.I did mine a few years ago as> a day release course. The big problem that I have come across is that> employers do not want to pay medics the going Safety Advisors rate,> almost all that I have come across just add a few quid to the medics> rate. This makes for a very cheap safety advisor ... _________________________________________________________________ Our Christmas gift for you: A brand new set of FREE and cool Windows Live services! http://get.live.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 I couldn’t agree more on your comments Fraser / Jon. I spent most of my working life as a medic, (ex HM Forces) I was luck enough to work for a company that was happy to develop my career and put me through my NEBOSH and a shed load of other safety courses, unfortunately they reneged on a promised pay rise. I looked for other medic/safety jobs but soon discovered the fact any job with the title “medic” in it reduced the salary. I know most UK Safety Advisors or on £60 to 80K. I have left the medical life behind, and now work as a Safety Advisor, it was a little scary at first, but now I’m glad I made the move. There are many medic agencies that I can Ad-hoc for, if I so desire, just to keep my hand it if you like. It’s a shame companies don’t see the potential in both roles and pay adoringly, Good luck for the future Dave B @...: fraserkelly2001@...: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 00:23:18 +0000Subject: Re: Re: NEBOSH course interesting take -I have seen what youdescribe as well.we all get a bit expat fixated(naturally),but thereare also lots of docs,nurses and medics working intheir own countries in the type of locations that thissite caters for.when you get pinoy docs retraining as nurses to workin UK and states-that highlights some interestinganomalies in wages in this global marketplace.Here in Singapore I worked on a project about 7 yearsago.some nurses and medics from then have retrained assafety.they earn more now than they would as puremedics/nurses.I suspect that as a result more of current nurse/medicsalaries here being low (in a global market)ratherthan safety being high.If you don't want to move to another country forhigher wages, then a different job in the same onewith higher wages is the answer.market forces will always mean wages fluctuate,andsupply and demand will always influence rates.as always-you try to make yourself as sellable aspossible.personally I feel as an internationalist you have 3options.1-specialise in one field-be the best you can be.inevitably you will be capped unless you got to option2.2-management, can be various degrees of hands on-up topure management. this means eventually either being inyour company, or one of the big medic or clientcompanies.3-be a generalist and get basic qualies in as much aspossible-you can then move around jobs-however youwill always be capped at the level you work at andforces will pull you in one direction eventually-iesafety or medic.companies will always try to get as much as possiblefor as little as possible-you have to maximise yourwages and employability within that framework.I always remember its ultimately a job-one that paysfor my families lifestyle,one that I enjoy and takepride in doing as we all do,but a job.I also remember what its like not having one,or beingon short term jobs and worrying where the next one iscoming from. Merry Xmas,Happy Hanuka and Hari Raya Haji to you all.and everyone-keep safe.Fraser--- jonathan king <jkmedic@...> wrote:> Hello All,I can't help but notice thats lots of you> are keen on doing the> NEBOSH course & getting your safety tickets.I did> mine a few years ago as> a day release course. The big problem that I have> come across is that> employers do not want to pay medics the going Safety> Advisors rate,> almost all that I have come across just add a few> quid to the medics> rate. This makes for a very cheap safety advisor who> also covers their> Medic requirements. Two years ago one Aberdeen> agency was offering a day> rate of 450+ for a safety advisor & less then 250> for a medicMaybe you> don't agree, if you know different I would be> interested to know. A very> Happy Christmas to all who are working over the> festive period & to those> luckier ones at home. RegardsJon King> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been> removed]> > __________________________________________________________Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with For Good http://uk.promotions./forgood/ _________________________________________________________________ Who's friends with who and co-starred in what? http://www.searchgamesbox.com/celebrityseparation.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 Dave, I'd echo, that. I've just moved into a safety advisors slot (oddly still advising on health) but away from medical and my day rate shot up. I don't know what medic/safety job are paying but from what I understand from a friend who's been looking recently medic / safety slots pay less than pure safety (for want of a better phrase) Odd I know but that seems to be the way it is... There is also the other dilema as to whether to keep up the HSE offshore medic cert, mine expires in feb and at 2k a pop is worth bothering, (I've got no real intention of ever going back to being a medic or for that matter ever working in the North Sea) but strings to bows as they say and I've opted to do it, but almost certainly if the safety thing works out this will definitely be the last one. Funny world if you sit and dwell on it..... Cheers for now Ian On 11/01/2008, Dave Fireblade <fireblade_@...> wrote: > > > I couldn't agree more on your comments Fraser / Jon. I spent most of my > working life as a medic, (ex HM Forces) I was luck enough to work for a > company that was happy to develop my career and put me through my NEBOSH and > a shed load of other safety courses, unfortunately they reneged on a > promised pay rise. I looked for other medic/safety jobs but soon discovered > the fact any job with the title " medic " in it reduced the salary. I know > most UK Safety Advisors or on £60 to 80K. I have left the medical life > behind, and now work as a Safety Advisor, it was a little scary at first, > but now I'm glad I made the move. There are many medic agencies that I can > Ad-hoc for, if I so desire, just to keep my hand it if you like. It's a > shame companies don't see the potential in both roles and pay adoringly, > Good luck for the future > > Dave B > > > @...: > fraserkelly2001@...: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 00:23:18 +0000Subject: > Re: Re: NEBOSH course > > > > > interesting take -I have seen what youdescribe as well.we all get > a bit expat fixated(naturally),but thereare also lots of docs,nurses and > medics working intheir own countries in the type of locations that thissite > caters for.when you get pinoy docs retraining as nurses to workin UK and > states-that highlights some interestinganomalies in wages in this global > marketplace.Here in Singapore I worked on a project about 7 yearsago.somenurses and medics from then have retrained > assafety.they earn more now than they would as puremedics/nurses.I suspect > that as a result more of current nurse/medicsalaries here being low (in a > global market)ratherthan safety being high.If you don't want to move to > another country forhigher wages, then a different job in the same onewith > higher wages is the answer.market forces will always mean wages > fluctuate,andsupply and demand will always influence rates.as always-you > try to make yourself as sellable aspossible.personally I feel as an > internationalist you have 3options.1-specialise in one field-be the best > you can be.inevitably you will be capped unless you got to > option2.2-management, can be various degrees of hands on-up topure > management. this means eventually either being inyour company, or one of the > big medic or clientcompanies.3-be a generalist and get basic qualies in as > much aspossible-you can then move around jobs-however youwill always be > capped at the level you work at andforces will pull you in one direction > eventually-iesafety or medic.companies will always try to get as much as > possiblefor as little as possible-you have to maximise yourwages and > employability within that framework.I always remember its ultimately a > job-one that paysfor my families lifestyle,one that I enjoy and takepride in > doing as we all do,but a job.I also remember what its like not having > one,or beingon short term jobs and worrying where the next one iscoming > from. Merry Xmas,Happy Hanuka and Hari Raya Haji to you all.andeveryone-keep > safe.Fraser--- jonathan king <jkmedic@...> wrote:> Hello All,I > can't help but notice thats lots of you> are keen on doing the> NEBOSH > course & getting your safety tickets.I did> mine a few years ago as> a day > release course. The big problem that I have> come across is that> employers > do not want to pay medics the going Safety> Advisors rate,> almost all that > I have come across just add a few> quid to the medics> rate. This makes for > a very cheap safety advisor who> also covers their> Medic requirements. Two > years ago one Aberdeen> agency was offering a day> rate of 450+ for a safety > advisor & less then 250> for a medicMaybe you> don't agree, if you know > different I would be> interested to know. A very> Happy Christmas to all who > are working over the> festive period & to those> luckier ones at home. > RegardsJon King> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been> removed]> > > __________________________________________________________Support the > World Aids Awareness campaign this month with For Good > http://uk.promotions./forgood/ > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Who's friends with who and co-starred in what? > http://www.searchgamesbox.com/celebrityseparation.shtml > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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