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interesting take -I have seen what you

describe as well.

we all get a bit expat fixated(naturally),but there

are also lots of docs,nurses and medics working in

their own countries in the type of locations that this

site caters for.

when you get pinoy docs retraining as nurses to work

in UK and states-that highlights some interesting

anomalies in wages in this global marketplace.

Here in Singapore I worked on a project about 7 years

ago.

some nurses and medics from then have retrained as

safety.

they earn more now than they would as pure

medics/nurses.

I suspect that as a result more of current nurse/medic

salaries here being low (in a global market)rather

than safety being high.

If you don't want to move to another country for

higher wages, then a different job in the same one

with higher wages is the answer.

market forces will always mean wages fluctuate,and

supply and demand will always influence rates.

as always-you try to make yourself as sellable as

possible.

personally I feel as an internationalist you have 3

options.

1-specialise in one field-be the best you can be.

inevitably you will be capped unless you got to option

2.

2-management, can be various degrees of hands on-up to

pure management. this means eventually either being in

your company, or one of the big medic or client

companies.

3-be a generalist and get basic qualies in as much as

possible-you can then move around jobs-however you

will always be capped at the level you work at and

forces will pull you in one direction eventually-ie

safety or medic.

companies will always try to get as much as possible

for as little as possible-you have to maximise your

wages and employability within that framework.

I always remember its ultimately a job-one that pays

for my families lifestyle,one that I enjoy and take

pride in doing as we all do,but a job.

I also remember what its like not having one,or being

on short term jobs and worrying where the next one is

coming from.

Merry Xmas,Happy Hanuka and Hari Raya Haji to you all.

and everyone-keep safe.

Fraser

--- jonathan king <jkmedic@...> wrote:

> Hello All,I can't help but notice thats lots of you

> are keen on doing the

> NEBOSH course & getting your safety tickets.I did

> mine a few years ago as

> a day release course. The big problem that I have

> come across is that

> employers do not want to pay medics the going Safety

> Advisors rate,

> almost all that I have come across just add a few

> quid to the medics

> rate. This makes for a very cheap safety advisor who

> also covers their

> Medic requirements. Two years ago one Aberdeen

> agency was offering a day

> rate of 450+ for a safety advisor & less then 250

> for a medicMaybe you

> don't agree, if you know different I would be

> interested to know. A very

> Happy Christmas to all who are working over the

> festive period & to those

> luckier ones at home. RegardsJon King

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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Just goes to highlight what a joke the medics " role " is on a

Rig/ship............

@...: sevenoceans.vstc@...:

Sat, 22 Dec 2007 10:12:16 +0000Subject: Re: NEBOSH course

I guess if you want to get 450 a day for sticking up safety notices instead of

sticking on plasters then go for the 450 a day.Now that's a simplistic answer

from a Grumpy old git (thought I would get that bit in before anybody else did)

who will be spending Crimbo in the sunshine of Brazil.It just leaves me to say,

" Desejando a todos um Feliz Natal. " Nigel>>

Hello All,I can't help but notice thats lots of you are keen on doing the>

NEBOSH course & getting your safety tickets.I did mine a few years ago as> a day

release course. The big problem that I have come across is that> employers do

not want to pay medics the going Safety Advisors rate,> almost all that I have

come across just add a few quid to the medics> rate. This makes for a very cheap

safety advisor ...

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I couldn’t agree more on your comments Fraser / Jon. I spent most of my working

life as a medic, (ex HM Forces) I was luck enough to work for a company that was

happy to develop my career and put me through my NEBOSH and a shed load of other

safety courses, unfortunately they reneged on a promised pay rise. I looked for

other medic/safety jobs but soon discovered the fact any job with the title

“medic” in it reduced the salary. I know most UK Safety Advisors or on £60 to

80K. I have left the medical life behind, and now work as a Safety Advisor, it

was a little scary at first, but now I’m glad I made the move. There are many

medic agencies that I can Ad-hoc for, if I so desire, just to keep my hand it if

you like. It’s a shame companies don’t see the potential in both roles and pay

adoringly,

Good luck for the future

Dave B

@...: fraserkelly2001@...:

Fri, 21 Dec 2007 00:23:18 +0000Subject: Re: Re: NEBOSH

course

interesting take -I have seen what youdescribe as well.we all get a bit

expat fixated(naturally),but thereare also lots of docs,nurses and medics

working intheir own countries in the type of locations that thissite caters

for.when you get pinoy docs retraining as nurses to workin UK and states-that

highlights some interestinganomalies in wages in this global marketplace.Here in

Singapore I worked on a project about 7 yearsago.some nurses and medics from

then have retrained assafety.they earn more now than they would as

puremedics/nurses.I suspect that as a result more of current nurse/medicsalaries

here being low (in a global market)ratherthan safety being high.If you don't

want to move to another country forhigher wages, then a different job in the

same onewith higher wages is the answer.market forces will always mean wages

fluctuate,andsupply and demand will always influence rates.as always-you try to

make yourself as sellable aspossible.personally I feel as an internationalist

you have 3options.1-specialise in one field-be the best you can be.inevitably

you will be capped unless you got to option2.2-management, can be various

degrees of hands on-up topure management. this means eventually either being

inyour company, or one of the big medic or clientcompanies.3-be a generalist and

get basic qualies in as much aspossible-you can then move around jobs-however

youwill always be capped at the level you work at andforces will pull you in one

direction eventually-iesafety or medic.companies will always try to get as much

as possiblefor as little as possible-you have to maximise yourwages and

employability within that framework.I always remember its ultimately a job-one

that paysfor my families lifestyle,one that I enjoy and takepride in doing as we

all do,but a job.I also remember what its like not having one,or beingon short

term jobs and worrying where the next one iscoming from. Merry Xmas,Happy Hanuka

and Hari Raya Haji to you all.and everyone-keep safe.Fraser--- jonathan king

<jkmedic@...> wrote:> Hello All,I can't help but notice thats lots of

you> are keen on doing the> NEBOSH course & getting your safety tickets.I did>

mine a few years ago as> a day release course. The big problem that I have> come

across is that> employers do not want to pay medics the going Safety> Advisors

rate,> almost all that I have come across just add a few> quid to the medics>

rate. This makes for a very cheap safety advisor who> also covers their> Medic

requirements. Two years ago one Aberdeen> agency was offering a day> rate of

450+ for a safety advisor & less then 250> for a medicMaybe you> don't agree, if

you know different I would be> interested to know. A very> Happy Christmas to

all who are working over the> festive period & to those> luckier ones at home.

RegardsJon King> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been> removed]> >

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Dave,

I'd echo, that. I've just moved into a safety advisors slot (oddly still

advising on health) but away from medical and my day rate shot up. I don't

know what medic/safety job are paying but from what I understand from a

friend who's been looking recently medic / safety slots pay less than pure

safety (for want of a better phrase) Odd I know but that seems to be the way

it is...

There is also the other dilema as to whether to keep up the HSE offshore

medic cert, mine expires in feb and at 2k a pop is worth bothering, (I've

got no real intention of ever going back to being a medic or for that matter

ever working in the North Sea) but strings to bows as they say and I've

opted to do it, but almost certainly if the safety thing works out this will

definitely be the last one.

Funny world if you sit and dwell on it.....

Cheers for now

Ian

On 11/01/2008, Dave Fireblade <fireblade_@...> wrote:

>

>

> I couldn't agree more on your comments Fraser / Jon. I spent most of my

> working life as a medic, (ex HM Forces) I was luck enough to work for a

> company that was happy to develop my career and put me through my NEBOSH and

> a shed load of other safety courses, unfortunately they reneged on a

> promised pay rise. I looked for other medic/safety jobs but soon discovered

> the fact any job with the title " medic " in it reduced the salary. I know

> most UK Safety Advisors or on £60 to 80K. I have left the medical life

> behind, and now work as a Safety Advisor, it was a little scary at first,

> but now I'm glad I made the move. There are many medic agencies that I can

> Ad-hoc for, if I so desire, just to keep my hand it if you like. It's a

> shame companies don't see the potential in both roles and pay adoringly,

> Good luck for the future

>

> Dave B

>

>

> @...:

> fraserkelly2001@...: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 00:23:18 +0000Subject:

> Re: Re: NEBOSH course

>

>

>

>

> interesting take -I have seen what youdescribe as well.we all get

> a bit expat fixated(naturally),but thereare also lots of docs,nurses and

> medics working intheir own countries in the type of locations that thissite

> caters for.when you get pinoy docs retraining as nurses to workin UK and

> states-that highlights some interestinganomalies in wages in this global

> marketplace.Here in Singapore I worked on a project about 7

yearsago.somenurses and medics from then have retrained

> assafety.they earn more now than they would as puremedics/nurses.I suspect

> that as a result more of current nurse/medicsalaries here being low (in a

> global market)ratherthan safety being high.If you don't want to move to

> another country forhigher wages, then a different job in the same onewith

> higher wages is the answer.market forces will always mean wages

> fluctuate,andsupply and demand will always influence rates.as always-you

> try to make yourself as sellable aspossible.personally I feel as an

> internationalist you have 3options.1-specialise in one field-be the best

> you can be.inevitably you will be capped unless you got to

> option2.2-management, can be various degrees of hands on-up topure

> management. this means eventually either being inyour company, or one of the

> big medic or clientcompanies.3-be a generalist and get basic qualies in as

> much aspossible-you can then move around jobs-however youwill always be

> capped at the level you work at andforces will pull you in one direction

> eventually-iesafety or medic.companies will always try to get as much as

> possiblefor as little as possible-you have to maximise yourwages and

> employability within that framework.I always remember its ultimately a

> job-one that paysfor my families lifestyle,one that I enjoy and takepride in

> doing as we all do,but a job.I also remember what its like not having

> one,or beingon short term jobs and worrying where the next one iscoming

> from. Merry Xmas,Happy Hanuka and Hari Raya Haji to you all.andeveryone-keep

> safe.Fraser--- jonathan king <jkmedic@...> wrote:> Hello All,I

> can't help but notice thats lots of you> are keen on doing the> NEBOSH

> course & getting your safety tickets.I did> mine a few years ago as> a day

> release course. The big problem that I have> come across is that> employers

> do not want to pay medics the going Safety> Advisors rate,> almost all that

> I have come across just add a few> quid to the medics> rate. This makes for

> a very cheap safety advisor who> also covers their> Medic requirements. Two

> years ago one Aberdeen> agency was offering a day> rate of 450+ for a safety

> advisor & less then 250> for a medicMaybe you> don't agree, if you know

> different I would be> interested to know. A very> Happy Christmas to all who

> are working over the> festive period & to those> luckier ones at home.

> RegardsJon King> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been> removed]>

> > __________________________________________________________Support the

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