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I had to have the peritonital operation done (all 4 quadrants). No Joy!!

The sole reason was that I never in my lifetime had oral hygiene properly

explained to me. The extent of my protocol was to brush 3 times a day and use a

mouthwash.

Finally, I became socially friendly with a dentist who became a member of my

martial arts class. He took me aside one day and we had a great discussion. I

came away impressed with the importance of flossing or using one of those tiny

bottle brushes that can fit between your teeth, and using one of those little

rubber pointed tips to go around each tooth at the gumline daily.

He explained that tartar is essentially bacteria crap left after feeding on the

residue left in these areas. It has to be interrupted daily at least once. Just

brushing won't do it.

When it builds up enough, peritonital work is needed to clear it out.

I have also discovered that swishing homemade colloidal silver around between

the gums, and gargling eliminates the bacteria to where tongue coatings,

halitosis, and gum problems disappear.

Oh, Joy!!!!

Chuck

Truth is stranger than fiction because fiction has to make sense !

>They are cleaning plaque out of the pockets, which does make them worse.

>Cleaning probably does inhibit the progression of the problem. But, I

>agree with Saul: RUN from the dentists if they ever try to tell you

>surgery is needed because the pockets have become too deep. I bought

>that hogwash enough years ago for the pockets to have developed again.

>It is a pointless surgery, is very painful, and you sit for a week with

>cotton in your mouth. And, all for nothing, IMO, because anyone who

>developed the pockets under their gums once will do so again!

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I had to have the peritonital operation done (all 4 quadrants). No Joy!!

The sole reason was that I never in my lifetime had oral hygiene properly

explained to me. The extent of my protocol was to brush 3 times a day and use a

mouthwash.

Finally, I became socially friendly with a dentist who became a member of my

martial arts class. He took me aside one day and we had a great discussion. I

came away impressed with the importance of flossing or using one of those tiny

bottle brushes that can fit between your teeth, and using one of those little

rubber pointed tips to go around each tooth at the gumline daily.

He explained that tartar is essentially bacteria crap left after feeding on the

residue left in these areas. It has to be interrupted daily at least once. Just

brushing won't do it.

When it builds up enough, peritonital work is needed to clear it out.

I have also discovered that swishing homemade colloidal silver around between

the gums, and gargling eliminates the bacteria to where tongue coatings,

halitosis, and gum problems disappear.

Oh, Joy!!!!

Chuck

Truth is stranger than fiction because fiction has to make sense !

>They are cleaning plaque out of the pockets, which does make them worse.

>Cleaning probably does inhibit the progression of the problem. But, I

>agree with Saul: RUN from the dentists if they ever try to tell you

>surgery is needed because the pockets have become too deep. I bought

>that hogwash enough years ago for the pockets to have developed again.

>It is a pointless surgery, is very painful, and you sit for a week with

>cotton in your mouth. And, all for nothing, IMO, because anyone who

>developed the pockets under their gums once will do so again!

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> Run in the opposite direction when you see them take out

> sharp instruments.

HAHAHA ...

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Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 07:16:00 +0000

Subject: Re: gingivitis

Dear Dave,

I agree with you. Seems like a make work project.

Run in the opposite direction when you see them take out

sharp instruments.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH

Reply-To: oxyplus

To: " List - Oxyplus " <oxyplus >

Subject: gingivitis

Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:29:09 -0700

Hi all,

I have a dentist appt. next week for a cleaning, and I know

they are going to want to give me a gingivitis exam/check.

I'm not sure what the official name is, but they use a small

wire, and insert it between each tooth and the gum to see

how deep the pocket is. They do this 2-4 times on each side

of each tooth.

My question is whether anyone else wonder or knows whether

this will, over time (twice a year over a period of years), tend to

create the very problem they are attempting to detect. It seems

to me that their little wire will tend to poke little holes where it

bottoms out between the tooth and gum (causing deeper separation),

and it might also tend to push little bits of food or bacteria

deeper into the pocket. I just don't have good feelings about it,

and am seriously thinking of telling them I don't want them to

do it.

Would appreciate hearing how others feel about this procedure.

I am also suspicious of their " deep cleaning " procedure that they

constantly recommend, where they scrape between the teeth and

the gums. I have a hard time believing that the pockets around

your teeth won't just get larger every time they do that procedure.

Thanks,

Dave

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> Run in the opposite direction when you see them take out

> sharp instruments.

HAHAHA ...

-------------------

Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 07:16:00 +0000

Subject: Re: gingivitis

Dear Dave,

I agree with you. Seems like a make work project.

Run in the opposite direction when you see them take out

sharp instruments.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH

Reply-To: oxyplus

To: " List - Oxyplus " <oxyplus >

Subject: gingivitis

Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:29:09 -0700

Hi all,

I have a dentist appt. next week for a cleaning, and I know

they are going to want to give me a gingivitis exam/check.

I'm not sure what the official name is, but they use a small

wire, and insert it between each tooth and the gum to see

how deep the pocket is. They do this 2-4 times on each side

of each tooth.

My question is whether anyone else wonder or knows whether

this will, over time (twice a year over a period of years), tend to

create the very problem they are attempting to detect. It seems

to me that their little wire will tend to poke little holes where it

bottoms out between the tooth and gum (causing deeper separation),

and it might also tend to push little bits of food or bacteria

deeper into the pocket. I just don't have good feelings about it,

and am seriously thinking of telling them I don't want them to

do it.

Would appreciate hearing how others feel about this procedure.

I am also suspicious of their " deep cleaning " procedure that they

constantly recommend, where they scrape between the teeth and

the gums. I have a hard time believing that the pockets around

your teeth won't just get larger every time they do that procedure.

Thanks,

Dave

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Dear Dave,

My wife works in USA at a very big clinic, and works too at his private

practice BUT in Mexicali Mexico. Two different worlds!

Her opinion: At USA we are limited working in the patient, we need to adhere

to the ADA approved methods. In Mexico we are more free and we can apply

more effective, new treatments.

It is the same with Doctors... I do not have a California license for

Medicine practice in USA BUT I have a Medical license in Mexico, I remember

when the Americans came to Mexico to buy Carbamazepine (tegretol) because in

USA was not approved for the epileptic seizures treatment. AT that obscure

days, (I Think 25 years ago) in USA convulsions were treated with

Phenobarbital, a barbiturate not really effective on ALL the kind of

epilepsy, and produced a real, strong addiction. After 15 years (or more)

used the Carbamazepine in Mexico, it was proved in USA, but, how many

patients died from an status epilepticus just because that medicine was not

approved by the FDA? It is the same with dentists, they use in USA old,

archaic treatments and diagnostic media, and in other countries (France,

England, Mexico, Spain) dentist laugh about the way dentists in USA works...

P.S. In USA dentist still uses " amalgam " ... in Mexico almost all the dentist

have banned this...

gingivitis

> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:29:09 -0700

>

> Hi all,

>

> I have a dentist appt. next week for a cleaning, and I know

> they are going to want to give me a gingivitis exam/check.

> I'm not sure what the official name is, but they use a small

> wire, and insert it between each tooth and the gum to see

> how deep the pocket is. They do this 2-4 times on each side

> of each tooth.

>

> My question is whether anyone else wonder or knows whether

> this will, over time (twice a year over a period of years), tend to

> create the very problem they are attempting to detect. It seems

> to me that their little wire will tend to poke little holes where it

> bottoms out between the tooth and gum (causing deeper separation),

> and it might also tend to push little bits of food or bacteria

> deeper into the pocket. I just don't have good feelings about it,

> and am seriously thinking of telling them I don't want them to

> do it.

>

> Would appreciate hearing how others feel about this procedure.

>

> I am also suspicious of their " deep cleaning " procedure that they

> constantly recommend, where they scrape between the teeth and

> the gums. I have a hard time believing that the pockets around

> your teeth won't just get larger every time they do that procedure.

>

> Thanks,

> Dave

>

--

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until you hear them speak. --Lou Rubinacci

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Dear Dave,

My wife works in USA at a very big clinic, and works too at his private

practice BUT in Mexicali Mexico. Two different worlds!

Her opinion: At USA we are limited working in the patient, we need to adhere

to the ADA approved methods. In Mexico we are more free and we can apply

more effective, new treatments.

It is the same with Doctors... I do not have a California license for

Medicine practice in USA BUT I have a Medical license in Mexico, I remember

when the Americans came to Mexico to buy Carbamazepine (tegretol) because in

USA was not approved for the epileptic seizures treatment. AT that obscure

days, (I Think 25 years ago) in USA convulsions were treated with

Phenobarbital, a barbiturate not really effective on ALL the kind of

epilepsy, and produced a real, strong addiction. After 15 years (or more)

used the Carbamazepine in Mexico, it was proved in USA, but, how many

patients died from an status epilepticus just because that medicine was not

approved by the FDA? It is the same with dentists, they use in USA old,

archaic treatments and diagnostic media, and in other countries (France,

England, Mexico, Spain) dentist laugh about the way dentists in USA works...

P.S. In USA dentist still uses " amalgam " ... in Mexico almost all the dentist

have banned this...

gingivitis

> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:29:09 -0700

>

> Hi all,

>

> I have a dentist appt. next week for a cleaning, and I know

> they are going to want to give me a gingivitis exam/check.

> I'm not sure what the official name is, but they use a small

> wire, and insert it between each tooth and the gum to see

> how deep the pocket is. They do this 2-4 times on each side

> of each tooth.

>

> My question is whether anyone else wonder or knows whether

> this will, over time (twice a year over a period of years), tend to

> create the very problem they are attempting to detect. It seems

> to me that their little wire will tend to poke little holes where it

> bottoms out between the tooth and gum (causing deeper separation),

> and it might also tend to push little bits of food or bacteria

> deeper into the pocket. I just don't have good feelings about it,

> and am seriously thinking of telling them I don't want them to

> do it.

>

> Would appreciate hearing how others feel about this procedure.

>

> I am also suspicious of their " deep cleaning " procedure that they

> constantly recommend, where they scrape between the teeth and

> the gums. I have a hard time believing that the pockets around

> your teeth won't just get larger every time they do that procedure.

>

> Thanks,

> Dave

>

--

Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people seem bright

until you hear them speak. --Lou Rubinacci

jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience

http://www.entrance.to/poetry

OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other

alternative self-help subjects.

THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are

for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your

own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to

take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to

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or health care provider.

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Agrisept is a MLM product. I am a dealer but only to buy the product

cheaper. I think I pay about $24 for a bottle. You can do a search on the

internet for " Agrisept " . This is a product that everyone should have

around the house. If you have a stomach ache, it will cure it in a matter

of minutes. It taste really bad thou.

I will order for you only if you can't find another source. I think you

can find a place to order on the web.

Erma

At 04:58 AM 10/4/01 -0400, you wrote:

>Erma where do we find Agrisept?

>

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Agrisept is a MLM product. I am a dealer but only to buy the product

cheaper. I think I pay about $24 for a bottle. You can do a search on the

internet for " Agrisept " . This is a product that everyone should have

around the house. If you have a stomach ache, it will cure it in a matter

of minutes. It taste really bad thou.

I will order for you only if you can't find another source. I think you

can find a place to order on the web.

Erma

At 04:58 AM 10/4/01 -0400, you wrote:

>Erma where do we find Agrisept?

>

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Agrisept is a MLM product. I am a dealer but only to buy the product

cheaper. I think I pay about $24 for a bottle. You can do a search on the

internet for " Agrisept " . This is a product that everyone should have

around the house. If you have a stomach ache, it will cure it in a matter

of minutes. It taste really bad thou.

I will order for you only if you can't find another source. I think you

can find a place to order on the web.

Erma

At 04:58 AM 10/4/01 -0400, you wrote:

>Erma where do we find Agrisept?

>

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I have GSE from Nurtibiotics and there is no comparison between the two

products. Agrisept works.

Erma

At 09:55 AM 10/4/01 -0400, you wrote:

>Agrisept is a brand name of grapefruit seed extract (GSE). Nutribiotic

>is another brand that is sold in most health food stores.

>

>jim :)

>

>bbtristate@... wrote:

> >

> > Dear Erma,

> >

> > What is Agrisept? Where can one obtain it?

> >

> > Thank you in advance,

> >

> > Mike

> >

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I have GSE from Nurtibiotics and there is no comparison between the two

products. Agrisept works.

Erma

At 09:55 AM 10/4/01 -0400, you wrote:

>Agrisept is a brand name of grapefruit seed extract (GSE). Nutribiotic

>is another brand that is sold in most health food stores.

>

>jim :)

>

>bbtristate@... wrote:

> >

> > Dear Erma,

> >

> > What is Agrisept? Where can one obtain it?

> >

> > Thank you in advance,

> >

> > Mike

> >

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....and you can also get the same results with NutriBiotic's grapefruit seed

extract or with powdered MSM (best price is at msm-msm.com) or with oregano

oil.

SaraLou

Re: gingivitis

<< two drops of Agrisept, it will cure

gum disease. I was about to lose my teeth until I discovered this.

Erma >>

Greetings Erna: Great bit of info. Now, where does one find Agrisept, hw

much, how long to get results, etc. Many thanks from all of us on the list.

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....and you can also get the same results with NutriBiotic's grapefruit seed

extract or with powdered MSM (best price is at msm-msm.com) or with oregano

oil.

SaraLou

Re: gingivitis

<< two drops of Agrisept, it will cure

gum disease. I was about to lose my teeth until I discovered this.

Erma >>

Greetings Erna: Great bit of info. Now, where does one find Agrisept, hw

much, how long to get results, etc. Many thanks from all of us on the list.

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....and you can also get the same results with NutriBiotic's grapefruit seed

extract or with powdered MSM (best price is at msm-msm.com) or with oregano

oil.

SaraLou

Re: gingivitis

<< two drops of Agrisept, it will cure

gum disease. I was about to lose my teeth until I discovered this.

Erma >>

Greetings Erna: Great bit of info. Now, where does one find Agrisept, hw

much, how long to get results, etc. Many thanks from all of us on the list.

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Dear Erma,

Agrisept is palatable if you mix it into

a glass of orange juice. It camouflages the

taste pretty well.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH

--------------------------------------------

Reply-To: oxyplus

To: oxyplus

Subject: Re: gingivitis

Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 18:04:58 -0700

Agrisept is a MLM product. I am a dealer but only to buy the product

cheaper. I think I pay about $24 for a bottle. You can do a search on the

internet for " Agrisept " . This is a product that everyone should have

around the house. If you have a stomach ache, it will cure it in a matter

of minutes. It taste really bad thou.

I will order for you only if you can't find another source. I think you

can find a place to order on the web.

Erma

At 04:58 AM 10/4/01 -0400, you wrote:

>Erma where do we find Agrisept?

>

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Dear Erma,

Agrisept is palatable if you mix it into

a glass of orange juice. It camouflages the

taste pretty well.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH

--------------------------------------------

Reply-To: oxyplus

To: oxyplus

Subject: Re: gingivitis

Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 18:04:58 -0700

Agrisept is a MLM product. I am a dealer but only to buy the product

cheaper. I think I pay about $24 for a bottle. You can do a search on the

internet for " Agrisept " . This is a product that everyone should have

around the house. If you have a stomach ache, it will cure it in a matter

of minutes. It taste really bad thou.

I will order for you only if you can't find another source. I think you

can find a place to order on the web.

Erma

At 04:58 AM 10/4/01 -0400, you wrote:

>Erma where do we find Agrisept?

>

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Dear Erma,

Agrisept is palatable if you mix it into

a glass of orange juice. It camouflages the

taste pretty well.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH

--------------------------------------------

Reply-To: oxyplus

To: oxyplus

Subject: Re: gingivitis

Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 18:04:58 -0700

Agrisept is a MLM product. I am a dealer but only to buy the product

cheaper. I think I pay about $24 for a bottle. You can do a search on the

internet for " Agrisept " . This is a product that everyone should have

around the house. If you have a stomach ache, it will cure it in a matter

of minutes. It taste really bad thou.

I will order for you only if you can't find another source. I think you

can find a place to order on the web.

Erma

At 04:58 AM 10/4/01 -0400, you wrote:

>Erma where do we find Agrisept?

>

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Erma,

Rest easy. The first site I found in a search sells Agrisept bottles for

$28, shipping included. http://www.risingstarlc.com/agrisept.htm

jim :)

Erma Seabaugh wrote:

>

> I have GSE from Nurtibiotics and there is no comparison between the two

> products. Agrisept works.

>

> Erma

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until you hear them speak. --Lou Rubinacci

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High homocysteine levels have been correlated with gingivitis likely

because they are both markers of inflammatory processes. You could

check a homocysteine level or a folic acid and a B12. B6 could also

lead to elevated homocysteine levels if folic acid and B12 are normal.

Interesting finding!!

Nadia M

>

> I had a pt call and tell me that she has always had healthy gums,

and

> is a yr out from Roux-en-Y and has gingivitis. I'm assuming this

may

> be linked to Vitamin C. Anyone else ever heard of this happening or

> know of other vitamin deficiencies it may be caused from? Thanks!

>

>

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It is neutrophil Sent from my iPhoneOn 9 Jan 2012, at 10:16, Balsam Majid <balsam_majid@...> wrote:

ORE question..Which inflammatory cells are dominant in gingivitis ?

Neutrophil

Plasma cell

Macrophage

Lymphocyte

Thanks

Balsam

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----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Kanika Kohli <kanika_sahil@...> narjan grg <narjangurung@...> Sent: Monday, 9 January 2012 11:54 AM Subject: Re: Gingivitis well i thinkwith the initiation of gingivitis as gingival inflammation process is chronic and progressive in nature lymphocytes and plasma cells are present with lymphocytes dominating especially t lymphocytes.though the main cells of established lesion are plasma cells but here epithelial proliferation and loss of attachment begins with or without pocket formation though no bone loss is seen and advanced lesion is beyond gingival sulcus with bone destruction ie initiation of periodontal disease.because of this i think lymhocytes shd be the ans...but

your suggestions are most welcomed as these questions for me are tricky.what do you think?????? From: narjan grg <narjangurung@...> "kanika_sahil@..." <kanika_sahil@...> Sent: Monday, 9 January 2012 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Gingivitis I think the question

should be restructured as different cells are dominant in different stages of gingivitis.

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Kanika Kohli <kanika_sahil@...>;

To:

< >;

Subject:

Re: Gingivitis

Sent:

Mon, Jan 9, 2012 10:56:47 AM

lymphocytes are dominant in gingivitis. From: Balsam Majid <balsam_majid@...> Sent: Monday, 9 January 2012 10:16 AM Subject: Gingivitis

ORE question..Which inflammatory cells are dominant in gingivitis ?

Neutrophil

Plasma cell

Macrophage

Lymphocyte

Thanks

Balsam

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Many thanks IqbalYou are rightI think we need to know about microbiology in this period as wellIsn't it ,gram positive like streptococcus and actinomyces in early gingivitis AndGram negative like fusobacterium nucleatum and prevotella intermedia in advanced stageWhat do u think mates??BalsamSent from my iPadOn 9 Jan 2012, at 10:59, h a iqbal <iqb_h_a@...> wrote:

According to master dentistry volume 2 page 19- neutrophils are predominant at initial phase of inflamation and plasma cells are predominant at the end of inflamation in the established inflamation .i think answer is plasma cell. correct me if i am wrongregrdsnaseema iqbal From: Balsam Majid <balsam_majid@...> Sent: Monday, 9 January 2012 10:16 AM Subject: Gingivitis

ORE question..Which inflammatory cells are dominant in gingivitis ?

Neutrophil

Plasma cell

Macrophage

Lymphocyte

Thanks

Balsam

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Yes n and kanikaI think answer would beNeutrophils for early stage gingivitisT lymphocyte and macrophage in middle Plasma cell for advancedReference master dentistry page 19What do u think??BalsamSent from my iPadOn 9 Jan 2012, at 11:56, Kanika Kohli <kanika_sahil@...> wrote:

----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Kanika Kohli <kanika_sahil@...> narjan grg <narjangurung@...> Sent: Monday, 9 January 2012 11:54 AM Subject: Re: Gingivitis well i thinkwith the initiation of gingivitis as gingival inflammation process is chronic and progressive in nature lymphocytes and plasma cells are present with lymphocytes dominating especially t lymphocytes.though the main cells of established lesion are plasma cells but here epithelial proliferation and loss of attachment begins with or without pocket formation though no bone loss is seen and advanced lesion is beyond gingival sulcus with bone destruction ie initiation of periodontal disease.because of this i think lymhocytes shd be the ans...but

your suggestions are most welcomed as these questions for me are tricky.what do you think????? From: narjan grg <narjangurung@...> "kanika_sahil@..." <kanika_sahil@...> Sent: Monday, 9 January 2012 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Gingivitis I think the question

should be restructured as different cells are dominant in different stages of gingivitis.

Sent from on Android

From:

Kanika Kohli <kanika_sahil@...>;

To:

< >;

Subject:

Re: Gingivitis

Sent:

Mon, Jan 9, 2012 10:56:47 AM

lymphocytes are dominant in gingivitis. From: Balsam Majid <balsam_majid@...> Sent: Monday, 9 January 2012 10:16 AM Subject: Gingivitis

ORE question..Which inflammatory cells are dominant in gingivitis ?

Neutrophil

Plasma cell

Macrophage

Lymphocyte

Thanks

Balsam

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