Tmj

[Guest guest]

Dear Vilik,

TMJ could very well be related to candida, because the poisons given off

by the fermentation of sugar nearby could certainly end up causing

problems in that vicinity.

Agrisept is a capsule. It is an extract of grapefruit, tangerine and

lemon in a base of vegetal glycerin.

As I say, I haven't tried it yet, but will pick some up this weekend.

Best of Health!

Saul

[Guest guest]

Saul Pressman wrote:

> TMJ could very well be related to candida, because the poisons given off by

the fermentation of sugar nearby could certainly end up causing

> problems in that vicinity.

>

> Agrisept is a capsule. It is an extract of grapefruit, tangerine and

> lemon in a base of vegetal glycerin.

>

> As I say, I haven't tried it yet, but will pick some up this weekend.

I just took a dose of Nutri-Biotic GSE. I remember the first time I used

it I got a terrific kill-off. Now, after all I've been doing lately,

let's see if I get a strong kill-off, which would incdicate that GSE's

can hit organisms that Homozon & SBO's don't. Stay tuned.

jim

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amicus certus in re incerta

[Guest guest]

Saul,

The Agrisept that I have is a liquid.

Erma

erma@...

At 10:08 AM 11/18/98 PST, you wrote:

>From: " Saul Pressman " <spressman@...>

>

>Dear Vilik,

>

>TMJ could very well be related to candida, because the poisons given off

>by the fermentation of sugar nearby could certainly end up causing

>problems in that vicinity.

>

>Agrisept is a capsule. It is an extract of grapefruit, tangerine and

>lemon in a base of vegetal glycerin.

>

>As I say, I haven't tried it yet, but will pick some up this weekend.

>

>Best of Health!

>Saul

>

>

>

>------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/14/00 11:19:13 PM Central Daylight Time,

aisha@... writes:

<< TMJ from brace? I would never have made that connection - who here has

TMJ? Its where your jaw is out of line and clicks and pops right? Cause I

have that and it was from braces... Can anyone share their stories here? >>

Aisha,

Yes, your jaw is out of line. It clicks and pops when you open your jaw

because it " pops " out of place. It can be very painfull. Sometimes your jaw

can lock up! Agghh!! Also, if you are stressing out all your muscles in your

jaw and neck can tighten and cause BAD pain. ;o( There is no cure but there

are different ways of treating it.

For me it's actually embarrassing when I'm kissing a guy because it makes

noises! yeesh,..and let's not talk about, ..um,...er,.....fellatio. There, I

said it.

You know when you use your muscle/s too much and they tighten/burn? I get

that feeling in my jaw muscles if I eat something real hard or tough. Thank

god that doesn't include chocolate! lol!!!! Yeah, right, I could stop eating

for a month and live off my thighs!!! :oT

^,,^

>:<

**** @lison

[Guest guest]

Hi @lison,

"Yes, your jaw is out of line. It clicks and pops when you open your jaw because it "pops" out of place. It can be very painfull. Sometimes your jaw can lock up! Agghh!! Also, if you are stressing out all your muscles in your jaw and neck can tighten and cause BAD pain. ;o( There is no cure but there are different ways of treating it."

OMG I have that... and there is treatment? WOW... what?

"For me it's actually embarrassing when I'm kissing a guy because it makes noises! yeesh,..and let's not talk about, ..um,...er,.....fellatio. There, I said it."

LMAO... I have no idea what you are talking about *practices my innocent look*

"You know when you use your muscle/s too much and they tighten/burn? I get that feeling in my jaw muscles if I eat something real hard or tough."

That sounds really yucko...so are you forced to eat mush like I am? (although I eat mush from palatal myoclonus not tmj)

*HUGS*Aisha.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/17/00 12:30:31 AM Central Daylight Time,

aisha@... writes:

<< That sounds really yucko...so are you forced to eat mush like I am?

(although I eat mush from palatal myoclonus not tmj)

>>

Aisha,

Mush? That includes chocolate ice cream for you right? hehehe...What is

Palatal Myoclonus?

TMJ treatment is not covered by any insurance companies. They don't

consider the treatment " valuable " or something. Also, I don't think they see

it as a problem....A*@holes!!!!! Some doctors give you that tooth splint

boxers wear that is formed to your mouth to wear at night. It is supposed to

keep your jaw in line and keep you from grinding your teeth. I know surgery

is the last resort. (And that doesn't work that well) (t) It isn't the

worst thing in the world so I can live with it. The only thing is the kissing

part, I feel like an a*s. (Y'know in those cartoons when the guys head turns

into a jacka*s? That's me...) I feel like they think I'm a robot that needs

to be greased! Oh well.

^,,^

>:<

**** @lison

[Guest guest]

Hi Alison-

TMJ treatment is not covered by any insurance companies.

I guess I should

feel lucky then because my first round of TMJ treatment was covered at

least partially by my insurance.

They don't consider the treatment "valuable" or something.

Also, I don't think they see it as a problem....A*@holes!!!!! Some doctors

give you that tooth splint boxers wear that is formed to your mouth to

wear at night. It is supposed to keep your jaw in line and keep you from

grinding your teeth.

I have a bite splint.

The first one (that I lost after 2 weeks... but ended with braces again

any way) was paid for by my insurance.

My second splint

that I got in September 1998... I think... I paid the $100 deposit, and

then my TMJ doctor wrote off the other $750 +! normally they are

$800 per shot (at it was in 9/98), but I had pay extra because I wanted

it to be a color so that I couldn't lose it again... first one was $640

and completely clear. The newest one is purple, and goes on my bottom

teeth.

I know surgery is the last resort. (And that doesn't

work that well) (t)

I used to work on

the orthopedic unit, and we had patients that had TMJ surgery fairly often....

99% of the time the surgery FAILS!!

It isn't the worst thing in the world so I can live

with it. The only thing is the kissing part, I feel like an a*s.

I just can't keep

my mouth open for long, kissing isn't a huge problem, but going to the

dentist for dental work totally SUCKS!! So for any major amounts

of work... I go to the OR... part of that is also because no one wants

to take responsibility for both me and my airway.... I get turned over

the MDAs in a heart beat... fine with me... like to sleep through my pain

as much as possible!

^,,^

>:<

**** @lison

When my TMJ was at

its worst (before the 2nd round of orthodontic braces)... I was only able

to open my mouth less than a quarter inch for over 9 months! It locked

there, and no one wanted to do anything to help, they said it would correct

itself eventually (at that point, I had NO

allergies what so ever!!) that is when I started

seeing my current TMJ doctor, and he treated my TMJ, and then we did the

second round of braces. Which helped my jaw a lot because it corrected

at least part of the biting problem.... my teeth met in the front (had

tooth to tooth contact), but never came to close to each other in the back

until my jaw would pop... top teeth slid one way, and bottom slid the other

way.... PAIN!!!!

Good Night all!

Anne

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/19/00 3:06:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

amacgruder@... writes:

<< When my TMJ was at its worst (before the 2nd round of orthodontic

braces)... I was only able to open my mouth less than a quarter inch for over

9 months! It locked there, and no one wanted to do anything to help, they

said it would correct itself eventually >>

Oh brother

That reminds me of having my tonsils out at the age of 18. I have a small

mouth (HONEST!!) and when they took out my tonsils they dislocated my jaw.

And they apparently didn't realize it.

When I was alert enough to know something wasn't right I could barely talk to

tell them. Finally they realized what was wrong and fixed it.

But it froze and for many months my mouth would only open a fraction of an

inch. I started nursing school barely able to move my jaw. Every day I had

to pry at it and work to get it to open.

I have a hereditary jaw " deformity " - it really isn't a deformity, but our

lower jaws are smaller so we do not have a proper bite. TMJ is just part of

it. Solution is to take bone from the leg and insert it into the jawbone - I

don't think so.

TMJ is so nasty. And there isn't much to fix it.

Sorry that the rest of you suffer with this beast as well. I know it is

partially responsible for some of the migraines. My insurance will not cover

any bite plate or orthodontic anything and I can't afford it myself so I just

live with it.

Jo

[Guest guest]

Hi Alison,

"Mush? That includes chocolate ice cream for you right? hehehe..."

Yeah, although I am lactose intolerant so should not eat it. My exciting diet is soggy weetbix, soup and I can now mumble bread, so the icecream is a treat every now and then, but especially when I have a sore throat. And that is my diet, breaky lunch and dinner.. I am epicuranly challanged.

"TMJ treatment is not covered by any insurance companies."

It might be different here in Aussie...

"Some doctors give you that tooth splint boxers wear that is formed to your mouth to wear at night. It is supposed to keep your jaw in line and keep you from grinding your teeth."

I had one of those, but my dog ate it! LOL.. I never realised it was for TMJ? hmmm... couldnt use it now cause of the myoclonis anyway... typical!

Thanx for the info hon, how are you doing?

Love Aisha.

[Guest guest]

good luck ,

For me, the key to correcting TMJ is to remember that its the temporal

mandibular,besides intraoral work, you need to address the cranial

component. The temporal bone will usually be restricted, often resisting

external rotation,

You should also look at how stuck the maxilla is, address hyoid problems,

don't forget the SCM, adress the upper cervical and occiput.

Marc

Marc Heller,DC

mheller@...

www.DrMarcHeller.com

987 Siskiyou Blvd.

Ashland, OR 97520

541-482-0625

TMJ

Anyone have any good methods with really severe TMJ injuries? This lady

landed on the left side of her jaw off a horse during a branding. The work

I've done with it has improved motion and decreased pain but we still have

quite a ways to go.

K. Carpentier, D.C., D.A.B.C.O.

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,

a serious and well thought reply from you, with only two bad jokes,

what is the world coming to!!??

Marc Heller,DC

mheller@...

www.DrMarcHeller.com

987 Siskiyou Blvd.

Ashland, OR 97520

541-482-0625

Re: TMJ

>

> Out of curiosity, what kind of imaging did she have??? Also, with a jolt

> like that, does she have any vestibular-type symptoms?

> Don White, RN, DC

>

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,

What are you doing for this woman? Sounds like a very interesting case. I

don't recall ever treating such a severe injury as this but if there's no fx

or dislocation, I'd start with ice, bromelain(Traumagesic from Tyler), vit

C, soup, water, ROM as tolerated. After the condition starts to heal, then

go to light heat, US, continue ROM. I do use the Nimmo TMJ technique, which

consists of stroking the internal and external masticators when you can get

a finger in the mouth and she will tolerate it. I suppose she's already had

a panorex of the jaw? Steve Lumsden

TMJ

> Anyone have any good methods with really severe TMJ injuries? This lady

> landed on the left side of her jaw off a horse during a branding. The

work

> I've done with it has improved motion and decreased pain but we still have

> quite a ways to go.

>

> K. Carpentier, D.C., D.A.B.C.O.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

In more modern parts of the state, we just marry our women-folk. ng is

such a hassle. And with the divorce rate so high, some gals have had to

change brands a number of times. It also limits them to boys that have a

similar brand to the last one. Like changing the O-bar-O to the O-delta-O,

etc. I hope I don't get branded for this one.

Seriously, I have had good luck with plain old ultrasound to the TMJ.--

Dr. Abrahamson

> From: " K. Carpentier " <carpentier@...>

> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 21:47:15 -0700

> " Chiro-Sci " <chirosci-list@...>

> Cc: " Oregon DCs " < >

> Subject: TMJ

>

> Anyone have any good methods with really severe TMJ injuries? This lady

> landed on the left side of her jaw off a horse during a branding. The work

> I've done with it has improved motion and decreased pain but we still have

> quite a ways to go.

>

> K. Carpentier, D.C., D.A.B.C.O.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Maybe it is time to have a little fun with this, instead of just

having a good time

We need 3 people to judge and everyone who enters would have to kick in an

entry fee for a jackpot but it sounds like it is time for: The most unusual

injury story. What is the most unusual or funniest (all be it not to the

patient) history of injury that you have heard. We obviously could have

one for the big--aka modern parts of the state folk and one for those of who

are under-privileged and live in the sticks. (I guarantee the country folk

will have some real zingers I have several). I am sure we could buy dinner

for the winner at some cheap restaurant in the big city and those of us in

the sticks love Ma and Pa's place. All kidding a side let's hear from those

who have some zingers.

Take care all

Steve Kinne

TMJ

> >

> > Anyone have any good methods with really severe TMJ injuries? This lady

> > landed on the left side of her jaw off a horse during a branding. The

work

> > I've done with it has improved motion and decreased pain but we still

have

> > quite a ways to go.

> >

> > K. Carpentier, D.C., D.A.B.C.O.

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Out of curiosity, what kind of imaging did she have??? Also, with a jolt

like that, does she have any vestibular-type symptoms?

Don White, RN, DC

[Guest guest]

you guys are WAY too civilized for us folk in God's country!

> In more modern parts of the state, we just marry our women-folk. ng

is

> such a hassle. > > Anyone have any good methods with really severe TMJ

injuries? This lady

> > landed on the left side of her jaw off a horse during a branding. The

work

> > I've done with it has improved motion and decreased pain but we still

have

> > quite a ways to go.

> >

> > K. Carpentier, D.C., D.A.B.C.O.

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

OK guys, I'll tell you what I did now that I've heard your responses (even

's!):

She came in as an emergency on Saturday, and yes, I could have gotten x-rays

by running her through the ER, but at tremendous hassle and expense, which

this ranching family decided to forgo. I checked her via 128 hz tuning fork

and percussion and am very confident we don't have a fracture. Dislocation,

probably.

I was only able to barely get one finger between her jaws and worked

pterygoid and masseter trigger points (to the point of immediate tears - I

hate these things), I used ROM mobilization and activator, followed by

ultrasound. She was obviously in a lot of pain and had a pretty strong

shock reaction, uncontrollable shivering , etc. but hey, we grow em tough

out here. I gave her some tongue depressors taped together and showed her

how to stretch the joint by placing these in between the molars and resting

her chin on her hand. I also told her how to work the trigger points that I

had so nicely shown her their existence of. :-) I put her on 600 mg

ibuprofen q.i.d. Soup, pudding and external ice. Oh yeah, I adjusted her

neck, too.

She returned yesterday in MUCH less pain, we can now easily get two fingers

between her front teeth, I repeated the trigger point work, still painful,

but not as bad, got a little more forceful with the mobilization and used

the activator again as well as the ultrasound. This time I instructed her

in some lateral pressure at the same time as the fulcrum stretch. We were

both comfortable with the amount of progress she has made, so I didn't order

an x-ray, although I told her I was still holding it as an option before the

weekend (I'll probably see her Thursday again.)

Still wondering if there's anything else I'm forgetting. If no more

progress by Thurs, I think I will opt for the panorex instead of the

hospitals films, assuming that the dentist has one of them newfangled

machines. Y'all really gotta remember where I live. :-)

K. Carpentier, D.C., D.A.B.C.O.

Burns, OR

TMJ

>

>

> > Anyone have any good methods with really severe TMJ injuries? This lady

> > landed on the left side of her jaw off a horse during a branding. The

> work

> > I've done with it has improved motion and decreased pain but we still

have

> > quite a ways to go.

> >

> > K. Carpentier, D.C., D.A.B.C.O.

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Dr. , DDS mentioned in an Oregon X-ray council (Motto: I'm looking

THRUUUU you!) that he likes chiros to treat non-surgical TMJ's by adjusting,

and addressing POSTURE and STRESS. What a concept!

This patient may have done OK with a normal pillow before this accident but

she may need a Tri-Core or better yet a Tempur-Pedic (motto: it may only be

injected jelly-foam but we make more money than you DOCTORS!). I like to get

them the shortest pillow (thinnest) and if it's too short, they can slide a

twice of more folded towel in the pillow case under the pillow. This way

they can customize it. Many people can't handle the thicker ones.

Stony showed us in a class how he uses a dowel about the width across the

molars as a fulcrum. The patient rolls it forward and backward. When the jaw

is thrust forward the patient gently pushes up on their chin thereby

distracting the TMJs. While you are doing what Marc described massaging the

pterygoids with your gloved fingers you can also place your thumbs on the

lower molars and distract the TMJs inferiorly. If you're brave you can then

slide it in and out like a drawer. This follows the mobilization concept of

stretching the joint perpendicular to the axis of motion. Sort of like the

drawer sign for the knee.

Stony also stuck a balloon up Mark 's nose and inflated it until it

came out his mouth. He then popped it with a scalpel. Stover Harger was

immediately reminded of a hook pulling innards out of a fish and excused

himself to go salmon fishing. Do not stick a balloon in your patient's nose

and inflate it as the patient will leave and never return.

Don't forget ice massage on the masseters. When they go into hypertonicity,

they don't like to let go.

--

Dr. Abrahamson

> From: MekaAbou@...

> Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 23:00:14 EDT

> carpentier@..., chirosci-list@...

> Cc:

> Subject: Re: TMJ

>

> Out of curiosity, what kind of imaging did she have??? Also, with a jolt

> like that, does she have any vestibular-type symptoms?

> Don White, RN, DC

>

>

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,

Good job! Thanks for the play-by-play.

Steve Lumsden

TMJ

> >

> >

> > > Anyone have any good methods with really severe TMJ injuries? This

lady

> > > landed on the left side of her jaw off a horse during a branding. The

> > work

> > > I've done with it has improved motion and decreased pain but we still

> have

> > > quite a ways to go.

> > >

> > > K. Carpentier, D.C., D.A.B.C.O.

> > >

> > >

> > >

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[Guest guest]

Lynn,

EMG training is best, since you can directly train the client to relax the muscles that are locking up.

If I had to work with EEG alone, I'd train a T site monopolar and block 25-35Hz and train up SMR.

Pete

-----Original Message-----From: lmqh28 [mailto:lmh28@...]Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 5:53 PM Subject: TMJThis is the third time I have attempted to post this. Hopefully this one will go thru! Does anyone know of a protocol that will help with TMJ? Thanks, Lynn

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In a message dated 9/6/02 5:15:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, pvdadp@... writes:

Lynn,

EMG training is best, since you can directly train the client to relax the muscles that are locking up.

If I had to work with EEG alone, I'd train a T site monopolar and block 25-35Hz and train up SMR.

Pete

Pete,

You mention using EMG. Is there some sort of low cost unit folks can buy for that? I'm not real familiar with it, never tried it, but I think it might be beneficial for me and the issues I'm trying to address too.

Thanks!

Lynn

[Guest guest]

Lynn,

I don't know of any off-hand. You might try searching the internet for one. I know you can do EMG with WaveRider, which is a low-cost EEG trainer in the BrainMaster category which also does other forms of biofeedback, but it's not easy to program.

As I said, if you simply look at high beta, you'll usually pick up EMG, since it appears as very fast EEG artifact.

Pete

-----Original Message-----From: lgoldhamme@... [mailto:lgoldhamme@...]Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 11:59 PM Subject: Re: TMJIn a message dated 9/6/02 5:15:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, pvdadp@... writes:

Lynn,EMG training is best, since you can directly train the client to relax the muscles that are locking up.If I had to work with EEG alone, I'd train a T site monopolar and block 25-35Hz and train up SMR.PetePete,You mention using EMG. Is there some sort of low cost unit folks can buy for that? I'm not real familiar with it, never tried it, but I think it might be beneficial for me and the issues I'm trying to address too.Thanks!Lynn

[Guest guest]

Pete,

Can I use the WaveRider Jr to work on Jaw muscles, night grinding etc? Van Deusen wrote:

Lynn,

EMG training is best, since you can directly train the client to relax the muscles that are locking up.

If I had to work with EEG alone, I'd train a T site monopolar and block 25-35Hz and train up SMR.

Pete

-----Original Message-----From: lmqh28 [mailto:lmh28@...]Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 5:53 PM Subject: TMJThis is the third time I have attempted to post this. Hopefully this one will go thru! Does anyone know of a protocol that will help with TMJ? Thanks, Lynn

[Guest guest]

Don,

Sure. It does have the option of training EMG. The interesting issue with bruxism, though, is that it happens at night, when the brain is minimally involved (in most cases) in muscle control. The uptraining of SMR (Lobeta) in the motor strip (at Cz, C4 or C3/C4) tends to improve the brain's control over muscle activity, even when you're not paying attention to controlling it.

Pete

-----Original Message-----From: Don [mailto:braingains@...]Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 2:20 PM Subject: RE: TMJ

Pete, Can I use the WaveRider Jr to work on Jaw muscles, night grinding etc? Van Deusen wrote:

Lynn,

EMG training is best, since you can directly train the client to relax the muscles that are locking up.

If I had to work with EEG alone, I'd train a T site monopolar and block 25-35Hz and train up SMR.

Pete

-----Original Message-----From: lmqh28 [mailto:lmh28@...]Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 5:53 PM Subject: TMJThis is the third time I have attempted to post this. Hopefully this one will go thru! Does anyone know of a protocol that will help with TMJ? Thanks, Lynn

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Hello ,

I have a "Cold Green Soup" recipe on my recipes page near the bottom of the page. To make blended salads I just add whatever I would put into a regular salad including the vinegar and oil (I replace walnuts for the oil)! They usually turn out delicious (to me at least!).

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I have TMJ problems since 20 some years and Vitamix is a great tool. Any other recommendations besides smoothies and soups, any good blended salad recipes? Any ideas would help. Thanks .