Antibiotics

[Guest guest]

I think antibiotics would have just the opposite effect of muscle hypertrophy. I am not completely sure of this but it was my beliefs that antibiotics work by disrupting protein synthesis of bacteria. Could the use of high doses of antibiotics also affect protein synthesis of other cells. If someone knows the answer please post it.

thanks,

Robbie D.

[Guest guest]

>I found interesting the comment about antibiotics being used as anabolic

>agents. I'm interested in their anabolic pathway, that is, how they work?

>I made a theory of my own but don't know if I'm thinking in the right

>way.Here it is:

My understanding is that livestock are treated with both antibiotics (to

reduce herd loss and potential of disease) and steroids to encourage growth.

Greg

[Guest guest]

Great info, Vern. Do you have a cite for the AHCPR publication?

D Freeman

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Antibiotics

It is now know that antibiotic use for childhood earaches is of little value in the great majority of cases. The Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality funded a literature review which found that nearly 2/3 of children with otitis media recover from pain and fever within 24 hours of diagnosis without antibiotics. 80% recover in one to seven days. The report copared typical care in the US to that of other countries eg., the Netherlands, where the standard is watchful waiting, if the infection does not clear up in that 1-7 day window the child is then given antibiotics. Subsequently the Netherlands has a 1% occurrence of antibiotic resistance compared to the United States which has a 25% occurrence.

Vern Saboe, D.C.

[Guest guest]

I was also told that there were still's patients who used ABT therapy but

when I pressed for more details none was given, and they could not back up

their claim, so I really dont put much stock into that and since I

personally dont know of anyone who did try it where it worked for them.

Most RD's will tell you that for antibiotics to possibly work they must be

given early after the initial onset, if not and you wait several years the

mycoplasmas ( given that you even had them) are long gone so the antibiotics

wont work. It also takes a while to work, and really it is not a good

choice for treatment considering the alternatives such as the new biologics.

GO DAWGS !!!!!

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My AS kid never had an ear infection and has never has antibiotics. She is still AS and I guarantee it wasn't from antibiotics.Angel <manicmom4@...> wrote:

ok so what is a mom to do? my youngest son (3 months) has a severe ear infection and they gave him amoxicillian for it! his older brother has AS and the possibility that the younger one could follow suit terrifies me because of the hell the older on endures.> Could one of the most widely prescribed antibiotics amoxicillin/clavulanate “> augmentin™†be a risk factor for autism? > > Joan Fallon, > > 1234 Central Avenue, Suite 1B, Yonkers, NY 10704, USA > > Received 23 June 2003; accepted 12 June 2004. Available online 17 November > 2004. > > Summary> > Autism is an ever increasing problem in the United States. Characterized by > multiple deficits in the areas

of communication, development, and behavior; > autistic children are found in every community in this country and abroad. Recent > findings point to a significant increase in autism which can not be accounted > for by means such as misclassification. The state of California recently > reported a 273% increase in the number of cases between 1987 and 1998. Many > possible causes have been proposed which range from genetics to environment, with a > combination of the two most likely. Since the introduction of > clavulanate/amoxicillin in the 1980s there has been the increase in numbers of cases of > autism.> > In this study 206 children under the age of three years with autism were > screened by means of a detailed case history. A significant commonality was > discerned and that being the level of chronic otitis media. These children were > found to have a

mean number 9.96 bouts of otitis media (with a standard error of > the mean of ±1.83). This represents a sum total for all 206 children of 2052 > bouts of otitis media. These children received a mean number of 12.04 courses of > antibiotics (standard error of the mean of ±.125). The sum total number of > courses of antibiotics given to all 206 children was 2480. Of those 893 courses > were Augmentin. with 362 of these Augmentin courses administered under the age > of one year.> > A proposed mechanism whereby the production of clavulanate may yield high > levels of urea/ammonia in the child is presented. Further an examination of this > mechanism needs to be undertaken to determine if a subset of children are at > risk for neurotoxicity from the use of clavulanic acid in pharmaceutical > preparations.

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My AS kid never had an ear infection and has never has antibiotics. She is still AS and I guarantee it wasn't from antibiotics.Angel <manicmom4@...> wrote:

ok so what is a mom to do? my youngest son (3 months) has a severe ear infection and they gave him amoxicillian for it! his older brother has AS and the possibility that the younger one could follow suit terrifies me because of the hell the older on endures.> Could one of the most widely prescribed antibiotics amoxicillin/clavulanate “> augmentin™†be a risk factor for autism? > > Joan Fallon, > > 1234 Central Avenue, Suite 1B, Yonkers, NY 10704, USA > > Received 23 June 2003; accepted 12 June 2004. Available online 17 November > 2004. > > Summary> > Autism is an ever increasing problem in the United States. Characterized by > multiple deficits in the areas

of communication, development, and behavior; > autistic children are found in every community in this country and abroad. Recent > findings point to a significant increase in autism which can not be accounted > for by means such as misclassification. The state of California recently > reported a 273% increase in the number of cases between 1987 and 1998. Many > possible causes have been proposed which range from genetics to environment, with a > combination of the two most likely. Since the introduction of > clavulanate/amoxicillin in the 1980s there has been the increase in numbers of cases of > autism.> > In this study 206 children under the age of three years with autism were > screened by means of a detailed case history. A significant commonality was > discerned and that being the level of chronic otitis media. These children were > found to have a

mean number 9.96 bouts of otitis media (with a standard error of > the mean of ±1.83). This represents a sum total for all 206 children of 2052 > bouts of otitis media. These children received a mean number of 12.04 courses of > antibiotics (standard error of the mean of ±.125). The sum total number of > courses of antibiotics given to all 206 children was 2480. Of those 893 courses > were Augmentin. with 362 of these Augmentin courses administered under the age > of one year.> > A proposed mechanism whereby the production of clavulanate may yield high > levels of urea/ammonia in the child is presented. Further an examination of this > mechanism needs to be undertaken to determine if a subset of children are at > risk for neurotoxicity from the use of clavulanic acid in pharmaceutical > preparations.

[Guest guest]

> > Could one of the most widely prescribed antibiotics

> amoxicillin/clavulanate “

> > augmentin™†be a risk factor for autism?

> >

> > Joan Fallon,

> >

> > 1234 Central Avenue, Suite 1B, Yonkers, NY 10704, USA

> >

> > Received 23 June 2003; accepted 12 June 2004. Available

online

> 17 November

> > 2004.

> >

> > Summary

> >

> > Autism is an ever increasing problem in the United States.

> Characterized by

> > multiple deficits in the areas of communication, development, and

> behavior;

> > autistic children are found in every community in this country

and

> abroad. Recent

> > findings point to a significant increase in autism which can not

be

> accounted

> > for by means such as misclassification. The state of California

> recently

> > reported a 273% increase in the number of cases between 1987 and

> 1998. Many

> > possible causes have been proposed which range from genetics to

> environment, with a

> > combination of the two most likely. Since the introduction of

> > clavulanate/amoxicillin in the 1980s there has been the increase

in

> numbers of cases of

> > autism.

> >

> > In this study 206 children under the age of three years with

autism

> were

> > screened by means of a detailed case history. A significant

> commonality was

> > discerned and that being the level of chronic otitis media. These

> children were

> > found to have a mean number 9.96 bouts of otitis media (with a

> standard error of

> > the mean of ±1.83). This represents a sum total for all 206

> children of 2052

> > bouts of otitis media. These children received a mean number of

> 12.04 courses of

> > antibiotics (standard error of the mean of ±.125). The sum total

> number of

> > courses of antibiotics given to all 206 children was 2480. Of

those

> 893 courses

> > were Augmentin. with 362 of these Augmentin courses administered

> under the age

> > of one year.

> >

> > A proposed mechanism whereby the production of clavulanate may

> yield high

> > levels of urea/ammonia in the child is presented. Further an

> examination of this

> > mechanism needs to be undertaken to determine if a subset of

> children are at

> > risk for neurotoxicity from the use of clavulanic acid in

> pharmaceutical

> > preparations.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My now 10 yod (NT) lived on antibiotics for a while as a baby -- Augmentin made her violently ill (stomach pains and diarrhea to where she'd bend) so she was mainly on Amoxicillin but she's fine now. My 4 yos with HFA had numerous ear infections, too, but rarely on Augmentin, mostly Amoxicillin and even Rocephin after a bit, which he turned out to be very allergic to.

I've gone back/forth on antibiotics -- not because I think it causes autism (I probably would say I don't see that in our case, at least) but because antibiotics don't always work, and the other side-effects aren't great sometimes. I've read several reports that say most ear infections go away without antibiotics, but seeing a kid in pain ... it's hard to do that. I've tried it before, sometimes successfully, sometimes not. If it was my first time, and he's in a lot of pain, I'd do it..my son ended up with tubes and hearing loss, though not permanent, thank God. Apparently scarring can result, too.

Re: antibiotics

My AS kid never had an ear infection and has never has antibiotics. She is still AS and I guarantee it wasn't from antibiotics.Angel <manicmom4@...> wrote: ok so what is a mom to do? my youngest son (3 months) has a severe ear infection and they gave him amoxicillian for it! his older brother has AS and the possibility that the younger one could follow suit terrifies me because of the hell the older on endures.> Could one of the most widely prescribed antibiotics amoxicillin/clavulanate “> augmentin™†be a risk factor for autism? > > Joan Fallon, > > 1234 Central Avenue, Suite 1B, Yonkers, NY 10704, USA > > Received 23 June 2003; accepted 12 June 2004. Available online 17 November > 2004. > > Summary> > Autism is an ever increasing problem in the United States. Characterized by > multiple deficits in the areas of communication, development, and behavior; > autistic children are found in every community in this country and abroad. Recent > findings point to a significant increase in autism which can not be accounted > for by means such as misclassification. The state of California recently > reported a 273% increase in the number of cases between 1987 and 1998. Many > possible causes have been proposed which range from genetics to environment, with a > combination of the two most likely. Since the introduction of > clavulanate/amoxicillin in the 1980s there has been the increase in numbers of cases of > autism.> > In this study 206 children under the age of three years with autism were > screened by means of a detailed case history. A significant commonality was > discerned and that being the level of chronic otitis media. These children were > found to have a mean number 9.96 bouts of otitis media (with a standard error of > the mean of ±1.83). This represents a sum total for all 206 children of 2052 > bouts of otitis media. These children received a mean number of 12.04 courses of > antibiotics (standard error of the mean of ±.125). The sum total number of > courses of antibiotics given to all 206 children was 2480. Of those 893 courses > were Augmentin. with 362 of these Augmentin courses administered under the age > of one year.> > A proposed mechanism whereby the production of clavulanate may yield high > levels of urea/ammonia in the child is presented. Further an examination of this > mechanism needs to be undertaken to determine if a subset of children are at > risk for neurotoxicity from the use of clavulanic acid in pharmaceutical > preparations.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/10/2005 5:31:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

writes:

just wondered if an antibiotic like augmentin could be taken once a day

instead of twice a day...I would think he would he still get coverage from

it. I always worried about the long term effects of the antibiotics,

Hi

I just thought I'd let you know that my son, , takes Zithromax 500mg

every OTHER day (once) and it has worked amazingly well. Since this med has a

very, very long half life in the body, he doesn't need to take it every day.

It's coverage is wonderful for almost all of the primary organisms that our

kids are susceptible and there is one more added benefit. Zithromax has

been found to have an excellent anti-inflammatory response in lung tissue and

is

used by many CF clinics in this same format. 's PFTs were AWFUL

within two months of being off of the IVIG. He had an oral abcess, a severe

cellulitis and 2 pneumonias all within months of coming off the IVIG. His

pulmonologist wanted him back on the IVIG immediately but the ID clinic we went

to

said no, because his labs did not warrant it. Stupid, I know, but I had no

recourse. So the Pulmonologist decided to treat him as a CF patient and

started him on the Zithromax QOD and we had almost immediate success in

reducing

infections. In addition, after only 2 months on the Zithromax, his PFT's came

up to just below normal. Now, 2 years later, he has normal PFT's and hasn't

had an infection worth noting in since. I know that most of the kids on this

list, including my own 15 year old daughter, would not have the same impact

on their infection rate, but if they want you to take the prophylactic

antibiotic then this is a very viable option for most kids. It's also A LOT

easier to give a pill once every other day than one that's twice a day, every

day.

LOL

Take Care and God Bless,

Mommy to

Annette

15yo - Selective Antibody Deficiency, IVIG dependent x 5 years, CP,

Developmental Delays, G-tube, HIV+. Loves Middle School and thinks she is going

to

grow up and live in a HOTEL in Las Vagas where there is a lot of " Bling Bling " .

Hmmm.

9yo - Past B and T cell dysfunction, IVIG x 12 months (now off over 2

years), brain tumor survivor, epilepsy, severe hearing impairment, ADD,

currently on every other day Zithromax as prophylaxis (and doing great with

it!)

In love with the WWE and likes to try out his " new " moves on. . . yep, ME!

Trayvon 6yo - Ivemark Syndrome, severe congential heart defects, asplenia,

severe GI issues (reflux, decreased gastric motility, previous malrotation of

the intestines), microcephalic, FTT. He could find fault with God himself if

left alone with him for 5 minutes!

Marriela 2yo - 26 wk preemie (1lb 12oz), severe chronic lung disease,

asthma, reflux, FTT, mild CP. She makes up in attitude what she lacks in size!!

_www.caringbridge.com/ny/my2angels_

(http://www.caringbridge.com/ny/my2angels)

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Check http://www.silkissoy.com/index.php?id=35

and see if any of their soy yogurts will fit in with his diet.

Marie

From: autism [mailto:autism ] On Behalf Of

Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005

4:19 PM

autism ;

AutismBiomedGA

Subject:

antibiotics

Tyler had to go to the doctor today. He has

strep and they have put him on antibiotics. Should I give him acidophilus to

keep yeast from being a problem? And if so, how much. I know they suggest you

give them yogurt, but I can't do that since he is on the GFCF diet.

Thanks in

advance!

[Guest guest]

Omnicef was one that my daughter had not had until last October - it helpled,

whereas Biaxin and Septra did not.

mom to

Becky McClure <beckymcclure825@...> wrote:

What are some of the antibiotics that your pid kids take for their daily meds if

they take one? Maddie has been on septra for about a month-and still has had

break through ear infections-this one was actually really yucky and bloody and

the doctor wants her on another oral until it clears. I am just wondering what

other options are out there than the septra. We see the inf. disease dr. again

in February and would like to have some ideas going in!

Thanks-Becky in IN, mom to Maddie-age 10-IgA def, low IgG 2 and various other

issues!

[Guest guest]

nancy barnes <nancyb315@...> wrote: Omnicef was one that my daughter had

not had until last October - it helpled, whereas Biaxin and Septra did not.

mom to

Becky McClure <beckymcclure825@...> wrote:

What are some of the antibiotics that your pid kids take for their daily meds if

they take one? Maddie has been on septra for about a month-and still has had

break through ear infections-this one was actually really yucky and bloody and

the doctor wants her on another oral until it clears. I am just wondering what

other options are out there than the septra. We see the inf. disease dr. again

in February and would like to have some ideas going in!

Thanks-Becky in IN, mom to Maddie-age 10-IgA def, low IgG 2 and various other

issues!

[Guest guest]

We were on Biaxin long term but abx won't stop most ear infections since

most are caused by viruses which I'm sure you know:)

antibiotics

> What are some of the antibiotics that your pid kids take for their daily

> meds if they take one? Maddie has been on septra for about a month-and

> still has had break through ear infections-this one was actually really

> yucky and bloody and the doctor wants her on another oral until it clears.

> I am just wondering what other options are out there than the septra. We

> see the inf. disease dr. again in February and would like to have some

> ideas going in!

>

> Thanks-Becky in IN, mom to Maddie-age 10-IgA def, low IgG 2 and various

> other issues!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Omnicef is our Peds drug of choice with my son for his ears as well. He

seems to respond well to it thus far.

Hope Maddie feels better soon!

Mommy to:

Annette 16yo, selective antibody deficiency, cp, devlopmental delays, g-tube,

IVIG x 5 years, Sub Q IG x 1 yr now and LOVING it. Every bit a teenager (both

for the good and the bad ) LOL.

11yo, previous B and T cell deficiencies, IVIG x 1 year (off now over

2 years), daily prophylaxis, brain tumor survivor, hearing impaired, seizure

disorder, learning disabled, and one heck of a " WWE wrestler " !

Trayvon 8yo, Ivemark Syndrome, severe congenital heart defects, asplenia,

malrotated intestines, microcephalic, migraines, severe reflux and an

imagination

I can't keep up with for one minute!

Marriela 4yo, Micro premie (26 weeker, 1 lb, 12oz), NICU x 4 months, severe

asthma, devlopmental delays, mild cp, reflux, and gives us a serious run for

our money every single day!

and last but not least,

Cody 16mo, other than some reflux, a wonderfully happy and healthy baby.

God has a serious sense of humor now doesn't he! LOLOLOLOL

www.caringbridge.com/ny/my2angels

[Guest guest]

Hi Becky,

I saw your request for info on contiuous antibiotics, so I wanted to share our

cocktail. My son's doc prescribe the ABC routine, and it has worked well.

Augmention, Biaxin, Ceptra rotating every month. Each month he is on one of

those three - A month, B month, C month.

Hope that gives you some new information!

Gail P.

Becky McClure <beckymcclure825@...> wrote:

What are some of the antibiotics that your pid kids take for their

daily meds if they take one? Maddie has been on septra for about a month-and

still has had break through ear infections-this one was actually really yucky

and bloody and the doctor wants her on another oral until it clears. I am just

wondering what other options are out there than the septra. We see the inf.

disease dr. again in February and would like to have some ideas going in!

Thanks-Becky in IN, mom to Maddie-age 10-IgA def, low IgG 2 and various other

issues!

[Guest guest]

Long term low dose clarythamycin (biaxin). My sonw as on it for about two years

before we started the IVIG therapy. His dosage was 125mg/5ml and he was getting

3ml twice daily. Given at that dosage it is not supposed to make him immune to

the antibiotic at a therapuetic level and it acts as an anti-inflamatory. With

us it was the absolute only thing that has helped get rid of the sinus

infections as well as keep everything else at bay. It helped even when the IV

antibiotics didn't, nor did sinus surgery (for long term).

Cassie

Becky McClure <beckymcclure825@...> wrote:

What are some of the antibiotics that your pid kids take for their

daily meds if they take one? Maddie has been on septra for about a month-and

still has had break through ear infections-this one was actually really yucky

and bloody and the doctor wants her on another oral until it clears. I am just

wondering what other options are out there than the septra. We see the inf.

disease dr. again in February and would like to have some ideas going in!

Thanks-Becky in IN, mom to Maddie-age 10-IgA def, low IgG 2 and various other

issues!

[Guest guest]

hey...my son was also on antibiotics every day..and the only thing that helped

him was the omnicef..but..as soon as he went off it the ear infections and runny

nose starts all over again..he is actually having surgery on monday..for a new

set of ear tubes and they removing his adnoids..but..omnicef is supposed to the

best..at least at this time.

angela, mom to 5..3 with iga def

nancy barnes <nancyb315@...> wrote:

nancy barnes <nancyb315@...> wrote: Omnicef was one that my daughter had

not had until last October - it helpled, whereas Biaxin and Septra did not.

mom to

Becky McClure <beckymcclure825@...> wrote: What are some of the antibiotics

that your pid kids take for their daily meds if they take one? Maddie has been

on septra for about a month-and still has had break through ear infections-this

one was actually really yucky and bloody and the doctor wants her on another

oral until it clears. I am just wondering what other options are out there than

the septra. We see the inf. disease dr. again in February and would like to have

some ideas going in!

Thanks-Becky in IN, mom to Maddie-age 10-IgA def, low IgG 2 and various other

issues!

[Guest guest]

Becky, Cole has been on ABX therapy for the past year and a half.

He takes 125mg of Amoxicillin daily. He has had a few breakthrough

infections, but the number of infections he has had has been

significantly reduced due to the ABX therapy. The immuno did advise

us however, that if his response to his vaccinations does not hold

this time around (we have had to repeat the Prevnar twice) and his

titers are low next September, then we will probably need to

consider IVIG for him.

Some people can tolerate ABX therapy on a longterm basis and they

respond quite well. Others find that in the long run they need IVIG

to solve the root of the problems.

One other thing we do here is to supplement his ABX therapy with

probiotics. I found a pediatric form of probiotics that comes in a

powder form and we can mix it into a small cup of juice or even his

rice milk. It balances the bacteria/flora in his system. Remember

that ABX kill off not only the bad, but also some good bacteria.

The probiotics help replace the good bacteria that the gut needs to

help fight infection.

Ultimately, it will come down to needing to find the correct therapy

for your child, which can be a seemingly long process and journey.

-Rogena …Proud mom to 4 boys, including:

Cole (4yo)-IgG Subclass def, GERD, EED, Asthma, Dairy Allergic

Flynn (2yo) - IgG & IgM def, GERD, GI Motility Issues, Asthma

[Guest guest]

Hi Rogena,

I am seriously behind in my emails and just read about the probiotics. My

daughter is dairy allergic as well and we have not found one that does not have

dairy. Can you tell me the name of the one you found?

nogirlsallboys <mrlbrinks@...> wrote:

One other thing we do here is to supplement his ABX therapy with

probiotics. I found a pediatric form of probiotics that comes in a

powder form and we can mix it into a small cup of juice or even his

rice milk. It balances the bacteria/flora in his system. Remember

that ABX kill off not only the bad, but also some good bacteria.

The probiotics help replace the good bacteria that the gut needs to

help fight infection.

Ultimately, it will come down to needing to find the correct therapy

for your child, which can be a seemingly long process and journey.

-Rogena …Proud mom to 4 boys, including:

Cole (4yo)-IgG Subclass def, GERD, EED, Asthma, Dairy Allergic

Flynn (2yo) - IgG & IgM def, GERD, GI Motility Issues, Asthma

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[Guest guest]

Not Rogena, but we have used 2 dairy-free brands (Pharmax HCL and Garden of Life

Primal Defense). They are both available on-line.

-

L G <lg4275@...> wrote:

Hi Rogena,

I am seriously behind in my emails and just read about the probiotics. My

daughter is dairy allergic as well and we have not found one that does not have

dairy. Can you tell me the name of the one you found?

nogirlsallboys <mrlbrinks@...> wrote:

One other thing we do here is to supplement his ABX therapy with

probiotics. I found a pediatric form of probiotics that comes in a

powder form and we can mix it into a small cup of juice or even his

rice milk. It balances the bacteria/flora in his system. Remember

that ABX kill off not only the bad, but also some good bacteria.

The probiotics help replace the good bacteria that the gut needs to

help fight infection.

Ultimately, it will come down to needing to find the correct therapy

for your child, which can be a seemingly long process and journey.

-Rogena …Proud mom to 4 boys, including:

Cole (4yo)-IgG Subclass def, GERD, EED, Asthma, Dairy Allergic

Flynn (2yo) - IgG & IgM def, GERD, GI Motility Issues, Asthma

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[Guest guest]

,

Oops, that is what happens when you email when sleepy. Thank you for the

information.

Rob or Sunseri <RobRose@...> wrote:

Not Rogena, but we have used 2 dairy-free brands (Pharmax HCL and Garden of Life

Primal Defense). They are both available on-line.

-

L G <lg4275@...> wrote:

Hi Rogena,

I am seriously behind in my emails and just read about the probiotics. My

daughter is dairy allergic as well and we have not found one that does not have

dairy. Can you tell me the name of the one you found?

nogirlsallboys <mrlbrinks@...> wrote:

One other thing we do here is to supplement his ABX therapy with

probiotics. I found a pediatric form of probiotics that comes in a

powder form and we can mix it into a small cup of juice or even his

rice milk. It balances the bacteria/flora in his system. Remember

that ABX kill off not only the bad, but also some good bacteria.

The probiotics help replace the good bacteria that the gut needs to

help fight infection.

Ultimately, it will come down to needing to find the correct therapy

for your child, which can be a seemingly long process and journey.

-Rogena …Proud mom to 4 boys, including:

Cole (4yo)-IgG Subclass def, GERD, EED, Asthma, Dairy Allergic

Flynn (2yo) - IgG & IgM def, GERD, GI Motility Issues, Asthma

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[Guest guest]

No you weren't that sleepy! Rogena did write the first e-mail, I just jumped in

as we have experience with dairy free probiotics.

-

L G <lg4275@...> wrote:

,

Oops, that is what happens when you email when sleepy. Thank you for the

information.

Rob or Sunseri <RobRose@...> wrote: Not Rogena, but we have

used 2 dairy-free brands (Pharmax HCL and Garden of Life Primal Defense). They

are both available on-line.

-

L G <lg4275@...> wrote:

Hi Rogena,

I am seriously behind in my emails and just read about the probiotics. My

daughter is dairy allergic as well and we have not found one that does not have

dairy. Can you tell me the name of the one you found?

nogirlsallboys <mrlbrinks@...> wrote:

One other thing we do here is to supplement his ABX therapy with

probiotics. I found a pediatric form of probiotics that comes in a

powder form and we can mix it into a small cup of juice or even his

rice milk. It balances the bacteria/flora in his system. Remember

that ABX kill off not only the bad, but also some good bacteria.

The probiotics help replace the good bacteria that the gut needs to

help fight infection.

Ultimately, it will come down to needing to find the correct therapy

for your child, which can be a seemingly long process and journey.

-Rogena …Proud mom to 4 boys, including:

Cole (4yo)-IgG Subclass def, GERD, EED, Asthma, Dairy Allergic

Flynn (2yo) - IgG & IgM def, GERD, GI Motility Issues, Asthma

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I was wondering if you had any other good dairy free tips. We are always

looking for foods that are okay for her. She also has problems with soy so her

food choices feel so limited.

Rob or Sunseri <RobRose@...> wrote:

No you weren't that sleepy! Rogena did write the first e-mail, I just jumped in

as we have experience with dairy free probiotics.

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L G <lg4275@...> wrote:

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Oops, that is what happens when you email when sleepy. Thank you for the

information.

Rob or Sunseri <RobRose@...> wrote: Not Rogena, but we have

used 2 dairy-free brands (Pharmax HCL and Garden of Life Primal Defense). They

are both available on-line.

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L G <lg4275@...> wrote:

Hi Rogena,

I am seriously behind in my emails and just read about the probiotics. My

daughter is dairy allergic as well and we have not found one that does not have

dairy. Can you tell me the name of the one you found?

nogirlsallboys <mrlbrinks@...> wrote:

One other thing we do here is to supplement his ABX therapy with

probiotics. I found a pediatric form of probiotics that comes in a

powder form and we can mix it into a small cup of juice or even his

rice milk. It balances the bacteria/flora in his system. Remember

that ABX kill off not only the bad, but also some good bacteria.

The probiotics help replace the good bacteria that the gut needs to

help fight infection.

Ultimately, it will come down to needing to find the correct therapy

for your child, which can be a seemingly long process and journey.

-Rogena …Proud mom to 4 boys, including:

Cole (4yo)-IgG Subclass def, GERD, EED, Asthma, Dairy Allergic

Flynn (2yo) - IgG & IgM def, GERD, GI Motility Issues, Asthma

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Sorry, now I am the one way behind on my emails! We use Nature's

Way brand of Primadophilus. When I posted last, we were purchasing

the powder from a local health food store. However, since then,I

found orange flavored chewables (much like a vitamin) that the boys

use.

I was alarmed when I read your post to me because I never gave it

any thought about there being dairy in it! There is no dairy

ingredients, but I called the company because it said they may

contain minimal residual amounts of milk or soy proteins. I was

informed that this is due to the nature of the plant where they are

manufactured, but the pills are not produced using any dairy.

I am fairly new to the whole dairy-free thing. We have been doing

it with moderation thus far, but now we are supposed to have Cole

adhere to a more strict dairy-free lifestyle. Thanks for the

reminder to check on meds and/or supplements!!

-Rogena …Proud mom to 4 boys, including:

Cole (4yo)-IgG Subclass def, GERD, EED, Asthma, Dairy Allergic

Flynn (2yo) - IgG & IgM def, GERD, GI Motility Issues, Asthma

> One other thing we do here is to supplement his ABX therapy with

> probiotics. I found a pediatric form of probiotics that comes in

a

> powder form and we can mix it into a small cup of juice or even

his

> rice milk. It balances the bacteria/flora in his system.

Remember

> that ABX kill off not only the bad, but also some good bacteria.

> The probiotics help replace the good bacteria that the gut needs

to

> help fight infection.

>

> Ultimately, it will come down to needing to find the correct

therapy

> for your child, which can be a seemingly long process and journey.

>

> -Rogena …Proud mom to 4 boys, including:

> Cole (4yo)-IgG Subclass def, GERD, EED, Asthma, Dairy Allergic

> Flynn (2yo) - IgG & IgM def, GERD, GI Motility Issues, Asthma

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