Guest guest Posted July 3, 2001 Report Share Posted July 3, 2001 In a message dated 7/3/01 8:22:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, JUSTSURFING11899@... writes: > I want to start making lotions and creams. I have aloe gel, bees wax, sweet > almond oil. Shea and cocoa butter on the way. What other staples do I > need? > Hello Justsurfing, A few thoughts come to mind: 1)Ideally, you would figure your formulations by weight, so you would need a good scale that weighs to .1 gram. You can use kitchen type measurements like teaspoons, cups, etc., but there is alot of room for error. My suggestion is that after you play around a little and if this is something you want to continue with, you would invest in a scale. 2) Lotions and creams basically have two phases--oil and water. Most lotions and creams contain more water than oil---anywhere from 50%-90%. Using beeswax will probably give you what is called a water in oil emulsion, which means a greasy feeling lotion or cream. If that is what you are after that will work fine. If you want a lotion/cream that is moisturizing without feeling greasy, then you want to make an oil in water emulsion and you can most easily do that with an emulsifying wax. There are many on the market and they all vary. I prefer the polawax from Croda. 3) Since a lotion/cream is the perfect environment for mold and bacteria to grow, you need to use a preservative. Several are on the market that will work. I prefer the Sutton Lab products--either Germaben II or the Germall Plus. Hope this helps a bit and good luck! Angie The Herbarie at Stoney Hill Farm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2001 Report Share Posted July 3, 2001 Hi Justsurfing, It sounds like you are off to a good start. You may want to think about something like essential oils or fragrance oils (if you are into those), for scent in your lotions. Also, I particularly like to use jojoba oil (25% or less) and I always add emulsifying wax to my homemade creams. Good luck to ya, Vicki ----------------------- 's Garden - Premium essential oils & more!! Wholesale pricing upon request. http://www.vsgarden.com ----------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2001 Report Share Posted July 3, 2001 <<What other staples do I need? >> Jojoba and olive oil, nice but not absolutely necessary might be some avodcado oil or butter, mango butter , eos or fos. lynn in valencia lavender bluffs bath and body " A little touch of heaven in your bath " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2001 Report Share Posted July 3, 2001 Angie, Thanks for giving Justsurfing some great advice. You always go the extra mile to be sure that all the bases are covered and are always sharing your info. You rock! your pal, lynn in valencia lavender bluffs bath and body " A little touch of heaven in your bath " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2001 Report Share Posted July 4, 2001 Angie, Does " Croda " have a website? Interested that you particularly like their e-wax. TIA -- Gillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2001 Report Share Posted July 4, 2001 In a message dated 7/4/01 12:40:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wildwood@... writes: > Does " Croda " have a website? Interested that you particularly like their > e-wax. > > Hi Gillian, Yes. Here it is: http://www.croda.com They sell the Polawax in 20lb bags. It is the only one of the " ewax blends " that you can list as 'emulsifying wax NF' on your label. All the others must have all the ingredients of the blend listed. I do like the way it feels in a lotion or cream. Angie The Herbarie at Stoney Hill Farm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2001 Report Share Posted July 4, 2001 In a message dated 7/4/01 2:26:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time, wildwood@... writes: > Wow, I am glad to learn that. Thanks Angie, I will check out that site > right now. Happy 4th! > Happy 4th to you too! Good luck and let me know if I can help. Angie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2001 Report Share Posted July 4, 2001 " It is the only one of the " ewax blends " that you can list as 'emulsifying wax NF' on your label. All the others must have all the ingredients of the blend listed. " Wow, I am glad to learn that. Thanks Angie, I will check out that site right now. Happy 4th! -- Gillian ----- Original Message ----- From: lt54@... Hi Gillian, Yes. Here it is: http://www.croda.com.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2001 Report Share Posted July 5, 2001 stearic acid ,emulsifying wax or candillia wax(did i spell that right?) , citric acid possibly (i use it for my whipped creme) germaben or similar product frangrance and or color which of course are you preference. ps lots of imagination with a little bit of that and basic water/oil emulsion ideas you can create all kinds of stuff like a mad scientist i do it and don't make my mistake write down all you add mix directions etc. (i have forgotten and now i can't make some of my favorite creations --tamika Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2003 Report Share Posted October 7, 2003 I have a prayer request it's minor but any prayers can > help...I've been pretty bummed the past few days you know the type > of depression where you feel worthless and you could disapear and no > one would give a shit...anyway hope this " mood " passes soon..Take > care everyone... > Just julie +++++++++++++++++++++++ Hey ...I've already said a prayer for you...It went something like this...Dear lord please kick in the ass to get her attention and make her realize that she is important, and worthy of not only your love but ours. Hope your out of your funk soon. Don't know what to tell you about the infection...except...maybe ask that it be cultured just to make sure the best antibiotic for the job is being used. Another thing...have you discussed with your doctor the malabsorbtion issue? The antibiotics used might not be fully absorbing??? Just a couple ideas. Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2003 Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 > Do any of you out there have any advise on how us DS'ers can get rid of an infection? I am getting very tired of being cut on and poked and given antibiotics that don't seem to work..I had the surgery on my boob to get rid of an infection and for the past 3 months I've been fighting an infection at the surgery site...I am suppose to have my TT hernia repair dec 2nd and I want this cleared up by > then...Also I have a prayer request it's minor but any prayers can > help...I've been pretty bummed the past few days you know the type > of depression where you feel worthless and you could disapear and no > one would give a shit...anyway hope this " mood " passes soon..Take > care everyone... > Just julie , Have you called Dr K about your infection? He can help. On the other topic, I have already prayed for you. This is just a momentary relapse of the old . The new and improved will not let the old take away her joy and zest for life. Hang in there, this too shall pass. Remember how far you have come and this is just a bump in the road. (you would be sorely missed. if you just disappeared) Can you come to the support meeting? It would help to see us all again, we will make you smile!! Sharon in Onyx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2003 Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 (((()))) You definitely have my prayers! Sorry I don't have any advice for the infection. Tracey > Do any of you out there have any advise on how us DS'ers can get rid > of an infection? Also I have a prayer request Take > care everyone... > Just julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2004 Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 Bummer! Who was it? I bought some scents that were supposed to be soap-safe, but ruined the soap (separated out, oily brown goop), I'd made the soap with other scents so I knew it was the new FO that was bad. R Orlando Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2004 Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 Happy Weekend I'm a bit miffed about something and could use some sage and objective advise regarding a somewhat touchy subject. I purchased some supplies from a supplier, scents to be exact and had been purchasing these same scents from the same supplier for over two years. During that time, the scents I acquired were of top quality and very consistent, so much so that I referred many people to this supplier. I recieved an order with 6 16 oz. plastic containers of FO (they had always been in amber glass in the past), same ones I'd been ordering for a long time. 5 of the scents were seriously diluted and one smelled totally like turpentine. I had several other people compare the old with the new and all agreed that they were VERY weak and the one was definately something other than FO, or FO with something else pretty nasty in it. I have sent a nice email and requested that I return them for a refund and the supplier is not responding at all. I know that the person recieved the message because I got a read receipt. I've got over $150 invested in scents that I cannot use and wouldn't anyhow because one of them has definately got some kind of cutting chemical or something so foreign in it that if the smell of it is any indication, well the safety of my customers would certainly be in serious jeopardy and that's frightening. Any suggestions as to what to do if I continue to recieve no reply? I value your thoughts, thanks. Alice MooseCreekBathandBody.com ^-^-^-@@-^-^-^ (..)-- ||---|| ^^ ^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2004 Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 In a message dated 9/25/2004 7:05:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, moosecreekcreations@... writes: Any suggestions as to what to do if I continue to recieve no reply? I value your thoughts, thanks. Alice MooseCreekBathandBody.com I would call, if you're a valued customer, they should respond. If you can't get an answer, I would cut my losses and run. And not do business with them again. I can't say post it to the list, as that would be " slamming " ...... But I'm sure somoneone else on the list will have more experienced advise. With exactly the thing to do. in Cambridge ~~Madness takes its toll, please have the exact change~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2004 Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 In a message dated 9/25/2004 7:57:36 PM Central Standard Time, cpfarm@... writes: I thought all FO's come in glass. I order from a couple of suppliers and they both come in glass. I would not want an FO that came in plastic. Rose I think Tony's is the only house that I buy from that comes in glass. The cost reflects this as well. Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2004 Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 In a message dated 9/25/2004 7:57:50 PM Central Standard Time, joyces0@... writes: I certainly would like to know who it is privately too. Rose Can you tell them that you will spread the word about them if they don't contact you with an explanation and refund? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2004 Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 Can you tell them that you will spread the word about them if they don't contact you with an explanation and refund? Check with the better business bureau and see if there's other complaints? e-mail them more times, and have everybody you know e-mail them, too? Please privately e-mail me, with the name so I don't use them, too. No need to be objective about this, what they're doing is just wrong to begin with, and then to ignore your complaints is really bad. Probably been taken over by some evil trolls or something. > Happy Weekend I'm a bit miffed about something and could use some sage and objective advise regarding a somewhat touchy subject. Any suggestions as to what to do if I continue to recieve no reply? I value your thoughts, thanks. > > Alice > MooseCreekBathandBody.com > ^-^-^-@@-^-^-^ > (..)-- > ||---|| > ^^ ^^ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2004 Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 I hate to be a pessimist but I have never had a supplier take an fo back. You might consider having a sample analyzed but I don't know if the cost would be prohibitive. If it is a large supplier maybe you can get a replacement for them. Most ship in plastic, I think Tony's is the only house that I buy from that comes in glass. The cost reflects this as well. Good luck Chris > > Happy Weekend I'm a bit miffed about something and could use some sage and objective advise regarding a somewhat touchy subject. I purchased some supplies from a supplier, scents to be exact and had been purchasing these same scents from the same supplier for over two years. During that time, the scents I acquired were of top quality and very consistent, so much so that I referred many people to this supplier. I recieved an order with 6 16 oz. plastic containers of FO (they had always > been in amber glass in the past), same ones I'd been ordering for a long time. 5 of the scents were seriously diluted and one smelled totally like turpentine. I had several other people compare the old with the new and all agreed that they were VERY weak and the one was definately something other > than FO, or FO with something else pretty nasty in it. > > I have sent a nice email and requested that I return them for a refund and the supplier is not responding at all. I know that the person recieved the message because I got a read receipt. I've got over $150 invested in scents that I cannot use and wouldn't anyhow because one of them has definately got some kind of cutting chemical or something so foreign in it that if the smell of it is any indication, well the safety of my customers would certainly be in serious jeopardy and that's frightening. Any suggestions as to what to do if I continue to recieve no reply? I value your thoughts, thanks. > > Alice > MooseCreekBathandBody.com > ^-^-^-@@-^-^-^ > (..)-- > ||---|| > ^^ ^^ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2004 Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 My Sweetcakes FOs came in glass. From: Schlicht Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 7:36 PM Subject: Re: Advise I hate to be a pessimist but I have never had a supplier take an fo back. You might consider having a sample analyzed but I don't know if the cost would be prohibitive. If it is a large supplier maybe you can get a replacement for them. Most ship in plastic, I think Tony's is the only house that I buy from that comes in glass. The cost reflects this as well. Good luck Chris > > Happy Weekend I'm a bit miffed about something and could use some sage and objective advise regarding a somewhat touchy subject. I purchased some supplies from a supplier, scents to be exact and had been purchasing these same scents from the same supplier for over two years. During that time, the scents I acquired were of top quality and very consistent, so much so that I referred many people to this supplier. I recieved an order with 6 16 oz. plastic containers of FO (they had always > been in amber glass in the past), same ones I'd been ordering for a long time. 5 of the scents were seriously diluted and one smelled totally like turpentine. I had several other people compare the old with the new and all agreed that they were VERY weak and the one was definately something other > than FO, or FO with something else pretty nasty in it. > > I have sent a nice email and requested that I return them for a refund and the supplier is not responding at all. I know that the person recieved the message because I got a read receipt. I've got over $150 invested in scents that I cannot use and wouldn't anyhow because one of them has definately got some kind of cutting chemical or something so foreign in it that if the smell of it is any indication, well the safety of my customers would certainly be in serious jeopardy and that's frightening. Any suggestions as to what to do if I continue to recieve no reply? I value your thoughts, thanks. > > Alice > MooseCreekBathandBody.com > ^-^-^-@@-^-^-^ > (..)-- > ||---|| > ^^ ^^ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2004 Report Share Posted September 26, 2004 Wow, Pam. You are so right. We've gotten so used to immediate responses with the internet that we forget sometimes that there are real people behind the signatures. Thanks for pointing that out. The phone - or even a registered letter might be the way to go. Tina The Essential Herbal - the magazine by, for, and about herbie people and the things they love - HERBS!!!! Subscribe today! www.essentialherbal.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2004 Report Share Posted September 26, 2004 It is very possible this supplier is on vacation or someone in the family is very ill. I would not post to the list who it is until you know what the problem is. It is also possible the right person didn't receive the mail and it was read and deleted. Many things go hay wire and it is not fair to the supplier to not give them a chance to explain so go forth and try a phone call or several calls. I would give it at the very least a couple weeks for them to respond. Getting FO's in plastic isn't a bad thing, it saves on shipping for one thing and they do that to saves us money. Transferring it over to glass is the thing we do when it arrives. If you've used this supplier in the past with no problems, keep trying. I feel sure they will try to make it right for you. Obviously their reputation is on the line especially if you tell people about it. Give them a chance to right the wrong before you tell others...Remember ...do unto others and you would have them do unto you. One mistake doesn't make for a bad company. The packer could be new and made a mistake. JMHO Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2004 Report Share Posted September 26, 2004 Give them a chance to right the wrong before you tell others. But, I'd still like to know who it is, though. Just for a heads up until the matter is resolved. I wouldn't want to go and buy $100.00 worth of stuff from them today and have the same problem. I'd rather wait and see how/if they respond first. Or if I had to have something I'm out of, just buy that, in a needed now amount, and not experiment with new scents, ya know? If one of my customers had a problem with my product, I would not blame them for warning others until my glitch was worked out because I wouldn't want to be burning other people by accident. It occured to me that it could be that the suppliers' supplier is who is at fault here, and the supplier is waiting to hear from them before they get back to you. But they should let you know what's going on even so. Please let me know (off list) who it is so I don't waste my little bit of money I have to spend on scents. And keep us posted about what happens. > It is very possible this supplier is on vacation or someone in the family is > very ill. I would not post to the list who it is until you know what the > problem is. It is also possible the right person didn't receive the mail and > it was read and deleted. Many things go hay wire and it is not fair to the > supplier to not give them a chance to explain so go forth and try a phone > call or several calls. I would give it at the very least a couple weeks for > them to respond. Getting FO's in plastic isn't a bad thing, it saves on > shipping for one thing and they do that to saves us money. Transferring it > over to glass is the thing we do when it arrives. > If you've used this supplier in the past with no problems, keep trying. I > feel sure they will try to make it right for you. Obviously their reputation > is on the line especially if you tell people about it. Give them a chance to > right the wrong before you tell others...Remember ...do unto others and you > would have them do unto you. One mistake doesn't make for a bad company. The > packer could be new and made a mistake. > JMHO > Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2004 Report Share Posted September 26, 2004 In a message dated 9/26/2004 7:12:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Rosemaryni@... writes: I certainly would like to know who it is privately too. Rose Can you tell them that you will spread the word about them if they don't contact you with an explanation and refund? You can't post it to the list, it's called spamming. In private it's ok. in Cambridge ~~Madness takes its toll, please have the exact change~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2004 Report Share Posted September 26, 2004 This is sure a weird situation. It's not my intention to trash a supplier, only to seek advise. Seems that in posting the question this supplier was motivated to respond to my original post to them. Nothing will be done to replace the product or refund the money spent since it has been 3 weeks since I recieved it.....gets a bit to weird to put anymore energies into. From what others have told me, it's not the first time that it's happened with this supplier and likely won't be the last. I don't need to get involved with spreading the word cause it appears that the person seems to do a pretty good job of it by themsleves. I do appreciate everyones thoughts and suggestions though. Thank you Alice H. ~ Owner, Formulator MooseCreekBathandBody.com ^-^-^-@@-^-^-^ (..)-- ||---|| ^^ ^^ Re: Re: Advise In a message dated 9/25/2004 7:57:50 PM Central Standard Time, joyces0@... writes: I certainly would like to know who it is privately too. Rose Can you tell them that you will spread the word about them if they don't contact you with an explanation and refund? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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