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Weight Watcher's headquarters is here in Michigan. What frustrates ABOUT ALL

THESE WEIGHT LOSS CENTERS I've come to market/sell personal training services

is that they do not like to discuss " fitness programs. "

Main reason: They don't understand bf% nor want to deal with the fact of how

the scale should not be a parameter of success. Yet, in some instances it

should be.

Second problem: I had a client from another Weight Loss Center who came to

me after she " lost her weight. " She was 5'3 or 5'4 at most and weighed 118

lbs. and had a body fat of 33% Imagine how difficult job it is for

trainer who has to educate client about increasing LBM.... Their body

composition changed, gaining weight to 121 was a problem for client; when in

fact the problem was that if they didn't exercise their body fat would have

increased more, etc.......... Hence, wt loss centers do not take

responsibility for EDUCATING THE CONSUMER on importance of both diet and

exercise, (etc... proper nutrition for exercise). You know what I'm getting

at. (Life's short, I don't have time to edit.)

Final, but not nearly the last problem: Why can't I provide services to this

clientelle? They are restricting their services to only " one select

organization. " I'm here in the metropolitan area where there is a need for

my services, but the world headquarters is not even interested in providing

necessary personal training services... Believe me, these people need OUR

services!! So why don't these " so-called " IRS deducting organizations

utilize those that can make lasting impact hte most????/ That's a question

to ask your local political representative!

Debbie Kiefiuk, M.Ed., C.S.C.S.

Ann Arbor, MI USA

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Debbie, if you are interested in pursuing the WW thing as a adjunct to their

'weight loss' programs, you can make a presentation to the organization with

a listing of all the studies that show that weight training and diet is more

effective than dieting alone.

Searching the archives or Medline you should have enough ammunition to show

convincingly the benefit of the double prong attack upon 'fat reduction' not

'weight loss'. If this fails, you can then use the info you have amassed and

before and after pictures of your clients to market and expand your

services. With your drive and determination, you will be able to create a

niche for your services (remember that you dont have the multimillion dollar

advertising budget of WW).

Remember the ole saying, 'dont confuse me with the facts, I've already made

up my mind!!' Organizations are slow to admit that their way is not the

best, usually being contrarian, waiting until everyone else is doing it

before jumping on the bandwagon. But even the Institute and Dr

(which started the 'aerobics generation) is now endorsing resistance

training as an effective means of weight loss and health.

The same issues still confront the athletic S & C arena, in which you see

bodybuilding routines being prescribed for athletes to improve on-the-field

performance.

Charlie Newkerk, C.S.C.S.

Rockledge, Fl

Re: Re: Weight Watchers?

> and others:

>

> Weight Watcher's headquarters is here in Michigan. What frustrates ABOUT

ALL

> THESE WEIGHT LOSS CENTERS I've come to market/sell personal training

services

> is that they do not like to discuss " fitness programs. "

>

> Main reason: They don't understand bf% nor want to deal with the fact of

how

> the scale should not be a parameter of success. Yet, in some instances it

> should be.

>

> Second problem: I had a client from another Weight Loss Center who came

to

> me after she " lost her weight. " She was 5'3 or 5'4 at most and weighed

118

> lbs. and had a body fat of 33% Imagine how difficult job it is for

> trainer who has to educate client about increasing LBM.... Their body

> composition changed, gaining weight to 121 was a problem for client; when

in

> fact the problem was that if they didn't exercise their body fat would

have

> increased more, etc.......... Hence, wt loss centers do not take

> responsibility for EDUCATING THE CONSUMER on importance of both diet and

> exercise, (etc... proper nutrition for exercise). You know what I'm

getting

> at. (Life's short, I don't have time to edit.)

>

> Final, but not nearly the last problem: Why can't I provide services to

this

> clientelle? They are restricting their services to only " one select

> organization. " I'm here in the metropolitan area where there is a need

for

> my services, but the world headquarters is not even interested in

providing

> necessary personal training services... Believe me, these people need OUR

> services!! So why don't these " so-called " IRS deducting organizations

> utilize those that can make lasting impact hte most????/ That's a

question

> to ask your local political representative!

>

> Debbie Kiefiuk, M.Ed., C.S.C.S.

> Ann Arbor, MI USA

>

>

>

> Modify or cancel your subscription here:

>

> http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups

>

> Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of residence if

you

> wish them to be published!

>

>

>

>

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Debbie, if you are interested in pursuing the WW thing as a adjunct to their

'weight loss' programs, you can make a presentation to the organization with

a listing of all the studies that show that weight training and diet is more

effective than dieting alone.

Searching the archives or Medline you should have enough ammunition to show

convincingly the benefit of the double prong attack upon 'fat reduction' not

'weight loss'. If this fails, you can then use the info you have amassed and

before and after pictures of your clients to market and expand your

services. With your drive and determination, you will be able to create a

niche for your services (remember that you dont have the multimillion dollar

advertising budget of WW).

Remember the ole saying, 'dont confuse me with the facts, I've already made

up my mind!!' Organizations are slow to admit that their way is not the

best, usually being contrarian, waiting until everyone else is doing it

before jumping on the bandwagon. But even the Institute and Dr

(which started the 'aerobics generation) is now endorsing resistance

training as an effective means of weight loss and health.

The same issues still confront the athletic S & C arena, in which you see

bodybuilding routines being prescribed for athletes to improve on-the-field

performance.

Charlie Newkerk, C.S.C.S.

Rockledge, Fl

Re: Re: Weight Watchers?

> and others:

>

> Weight Watcher's headquarters is here in Michigan. What frustrates ABOUT

ALL

> THESE WEIGHT LOSS CENTERS I've come to market/sell personal training

services

> is that they do not like to discuss " fitness programs. "

>

> Main reason: They don't understand bf% nor want to deal with the fact of

how

> the scale should not be a parameter of success. Yet, in some instances it

> should be.

>

> Second problem: I had a client from another Weight Loss Center who came

to

> me after she " lost her weight. " She was 5'3 or 5'4 at most and weighed

118

> lbs. and had a body fat of 33% Imagine how difficult job it is for

> trainer who has to educate client about increasing LBM.... Their body

> composition changed, gaining weight to 121 was a problem for client; when

in

> fact the problem was that if they didn't exercise their body fat would

have

> increased more, etc.......... Hence, wt loss centers do not take

> responsibility for EDUCATING THE CONSUMER on importance of both diet and

> exercise, (etc... proper nutrition for exercise). You know what I'm

getting

> at. (Life's short, I don't have time to edit.)

>

> Final, but not nearly the last problem: Why can't I provide services to

this

> clientelle? They are restricting their services to only " one select

> organization. " I'm here in the metropolitan area where there is a need

for

> my services, but the world headquarters is not even interested in

providing

> necessary personal training services... Believe me, these people need OUR

> services!! So why don't these " so-called " IRS deducting organizations

> utilize those that can make lasting impact hte most????/ That's a

question

> to ask your local political representative!

>

> Debbie Kiefiuk, M.Ed., C.S.C.S.

> Ann Arbor, MI USA

>

>

>

> Modify or cancel your subscription here:

>

> http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups

>

> Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of residence if

you

> wish them to be published!

>

>

>

>

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Debbie, if you are interested in pursuing the WW thing as a adjunct to their

'weight loss' programs, you can make a presentation to the organization with

a listing of all the studies that show that weight training and diet is more

effective than dieting alone.

Searching the archives or Medline you should have enough ammunition to show

convincingly the benefit of the double prong attack upon 'fat reduction' not

'weight loss'. If this fails, you can then use the info you have amassed and

before and after pictures of your clients to market and expand your

services. With your drive and determination, you will be able to create a

niche for your services (remember that you dont have the multimillion dollar

advertising budget of WW).

Remember the ole saying, 'dont confuse me with the facts, I've already made

up my mind!!' Organizations are slow to admit that their way is not the

best, usually being contrarian, waiting until everyone else is doing it

before jumping on the bandwagon. But even the Institute and Dr

(which started the 'aerobics generation) is now endorsing resistance

training as an effective means of weight loss and health.

The same issues still confront the athletic S & C arena, in which you see

bodybuilding routines being prescribed for athletes to improve on-the-field

performance.

Charlie Newkerk, C.S.C.S.

Rockledge, Fl

Re: Re: Weight Watchers?

> and others:

>

> Weight Watcher's headquarters is here in Michigan. What frustrates ABOUT

ALL

> THESE WEIGHT LOSS CENTERS I've come to market/sell personal training

services

> is that they do not like to discuss " fitness programs. "

>

> Main reason: They don't understand bf% nor want to deal with the fact of

how

> the scale should not be a parameter of success. Yet, in some instances it

> should be.

>

> Second problem: I had a client from another Weight Loss Center who came

to

> me after she " lost her weight. " She was 5'3 or 5'4 at most and weighed

118

> lbs. and had a body fat of 33% Imagine how difficult job it is for

> trainer who has to educate client about increasing LBM.... Their body

> composition changed, gaining weight to 121 was a problem for client; when

in

> fact the problem was that if they didn't exercise their body fat would

have

> increased more, etc.......... Hence, wt loss centers do not take

> responsibility for EDUCATING THE CONSUMER on importance of both diet and

> exercise, (etc... proper nutrition for exercise). You know what I'm

getting

> at. (Life's short, I don't have time to edit.)

>

> Final, but not nearly the last problem: Why can't I provide services to

this

> clientelle? They are restricting their services to only " one select

> organization. " I'm here in the metropolitan area where there is a need

for

> my services, but the world headquarters is not even interested in

providing

> necessary personal training services... Believe me, these people need OUR

> services!! So why don't these " so-called " IRS deducting organizations

> utilize those that can make lasting impact hte most????/ That's a

question

> to ask your local political representative!

>

> Debbie Kiefiuk, M.Ed., C.S.C.S.

> Ann Arbor, MI USA

>

>

>

> Modify or cancel your subscription here:

>

> http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups

>

> Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of residence if

you

> wish them to be published!

>

>

>

>

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  • 6 years later...

>

> Is anyone on it?

>

Hi , I am out of town so just saw your question about WW. Yes,

I am on it. Recently I switched from Flex to the Core program and love

it. I am very resistent to losing pounds so may not show a big loss on

the scale but I know I eat healthier. My aunt and I are visiting my

daughter and her husband in MN so my eating has been off my plan but

I've been doing some LL and have exercised a couple days. Back to

WW....I think they have free registration now until sometime in Oct. so

check it out if you think you might be interested. Also, go to their

web site for lots of info plus message boards so you can get an idea of

what it is.

Chris

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