Re: why, yes, i *have* danced with the devil

[Guest guest]

Matt

Please dont give self a hard time thinking u didnt do it properly whenmoved n

that why u still got mites.

After 6 month utter hell,i moved 6 month ago binging virtually nothing n yet

Istill am bothered,by my feet so think it possible that they go under the

skin,so I take doxy internaly n neem clove sulphur etc topical

Ive tried so many things like you have

I understand ur utter n total frustration!!:-(

So i,wudnt rid your new place o possessions

Many got over this by making themselves less tasty to critters building immune

system ,fighting lyme etc

I have beem suicidal in past

Many o us have

An I relate to not being able to relax

I seize up everytime crawly biting sensation

Yes I understand how its broken you

I have lost large parts of myself im not sure. I will ever get back

I wonder if I will ever be free of biting sensations

Wonder if ever able to date again or feel carefree ,attractive or walk barefoot

Feel lost any attractiveness n carefree feelings this is awful

But we have survived

And will continue to do so

Hope to god one day it will be gone

And we can all be free physicaly n emotionaly

And heal the,desperately sad parts of ourselves

And the lost parts

And even though im still unhapy

Its,beter than it was

So step at a time,my friend

Keep going

And take good care

And I dearly hope the vikane gas is,the end of it!

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On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 22:31 PDT Matt lin wrote:

>This is my first post to the group.  I joined a couple weeks back, and have

intended to write something all the while.  I'm a beaten man, though, and I've

lacked the motivation to actually sit down and coagulate my thoughts.  I've been

living with bird mites on and off for almost two years now, having moved to a

new house right in the middle.  I've done all sorts of crazy things, as many of

you have, with varying degrees of never-complete effectiveness.  I've vacuumed

for up to 10 hours a day (not lately).  I've used a steam vaporizer that long,

too... both on every square inch of floor, wall, and ceiling.  Remembering, of

course, to empty the bag immediately, Ziploc bag it, freeze it until trash day,

then dispose of it promptly.  I mean, that's what everyone does, right??

>

>

>I've used every 'thrin known to man.  Hired three PCOs.  Spread thin layers of

DE throughout my house, more than once.  I've used Bifen, melted menthol

crystals (which left red circles around my eyes, especially when combined with

all the Selsun Blue I used until recently - WAAAY too much menthol), Xtreme

Kleen, spread bleach, Borax, amonia, and lots of other chemicals I don't recall

at the moment.

>

>I've hired a plumber to connect a new water line directly from my water heater

to the washing machine, allowing me to wash clothes in hotter water than the

rest of the house gets.  I've bathed my dog way more than a dog should be

bathed.  I shower up to three times a day, scrubbing my skin raw with

a loofah sponge I used to enjoy.  I've scratched.  I've anticipated needing to

scratch just as much.  I've brushed my teeth every day for the past four months

while constantly moving my feet so I can handle being in the bathroom; I've

brushed my teeth less than I ever have as a result (yummy!).  I've slept on the

couch every day for the past three months while my wife sleeps in our bed

because I don't want my attractiveness among mites to impact her sleep.  

>

>I've contemplated suicide many, many times.  Never thinking that I'll actually

do it, mind you.  I have two kids, after all, and I'd never act that selfishly.

 But I fantasize about it, as it seems like such a peaceful solution to what

life has thrown at me.  I watch commercials or tv shows profiling people

relaxing in their fictitious houses - presumably mite-free - and I become

jealous.  Ditto toward my friends and family.  I worry constantly that I'll give

the problem to someone else, though I never have (I'm diligent about putting on

clean clothes, showering, even steam-cleaning bags and such before daring to

spend appreciable amounts of time in anyone's house or car).  

>

>In all my reading, the posts I see from people who've successfully rid

themselves of this plague fall into three categories:

>

>1) People who've gotten rid of all possessions and moved to a new home.

>2) People who've gotten rid of all possessions and clorox'ed/bleached/amonia'ed

their empty home until the cows came home.

>3) People who've managed to have their homes Vikane gassed.  

>

>We moved in February, and brought the problem with us. I could go on and on

about how pissed I am at myself for not doing a better job of ensuring we didn't

bring it with us, but I don't even like to think about it.  The point is that

we're not going to move again any time soon, so option 1 is off the table.  I

was ready to go with #2, but my wife didn't like the idea of having to buy all

new stuff without any guarantee that it'd fix the problem.  (side, but

important, note:  Of all the family members, I feel the little fuckers the most,

by far.  My wife feels them occasionally, and neither of my kids feels them at

all.  I'm very thankful that no one else feels them like I do, while

simultaneously feeling sorry for myself that I had to draw a short straw.)

>

>So, my new focus is on getting a PCO to tent and Vikane the house.  It'll be

expensive, especially since I'll want it done twice, a week or so apart to

account for the eggs, which should be studied by the U.S. military since they

seem impervious to everything.  But I'd literally pay any amount of money to fix

the problem at this point, a sentiment many of you can relate to.  If Vikane

works, I'll consider it the best investment I will ever make.  

>

>If it doesn't work, I will become an even more desperate man, and will convince

my wife that throwing out all our stuff is necessary.  We've already spent

upwards of $20,000 treating this problem, including chemicals, cleaners, PCOs,

hotel stays, pet hotel stays, etc.  If we have to throw out our stuff, I'd

estimate it'll cost an additional $75K.  

>

>I've been divorced, and it was awful.  I remember thinking at one point that I

hoped it'd wind up being the worst thing I ever had to deal with.  But, looking

back, that was a cake-walk.  Each day sucked for a while.  But at the end of

each day, I got to plop on a couch, drink too much alcohol, and relax.  This

problem robs me of that ability.  I can never fully relax, unless I'm in the

shower or a pool or other source of moving water. Also when I exercise, though

I'm often too tired or scatter-brained to do that.  I've been an exercise addict

for about 20 years, typically lifting weights and/or running about six days a

week.  Now I'm lucky if I get three days; usually one or two.  In short summary,

I'm a beaten man, once full of life and now struggling to maintain my ability to

pretend to be normal around others.  

>

>Wow.  I really am all over the map here, and I've certainly bitched enough for

one email.  So I'll end it at that.  Many of you are in the same boat, which I

suppose is why I'm writing.  Misery does draw comfort from company, and so this

forum is a godsend.  Knowing you're all out there helps remind me that I'm not

crazy; I'm not imagining this problem as many people think I am.  Increasingly,

I appreciate that help, as I've been questioning my sanity a lot lately.  So,

thanks, everyone, for sharing your stories and remedies.  It's nice to know

you're out there.

>

>- Matt

[Guest guest]

Hi Matt moved myself 3 times. Found out they will attatch themselves to

everything. Realized on the last move that the only place they could be coming

from was me. I washed in the arm hammer borax. Coconut oil in hair. Kept it up

in the clean environment for 2 weeks before I got all the crawlers hatched out.

Walked around with 90 percent Alcohol and smothered them 1 at a time. 4 me - I

got rid of them. I do believe they could be also in the sweat glands and that

there could be many types even smaller that may do that. I also had them at my

last house and son did not. Shave the hair and keep killing them till they cycle

through.

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[Guest guest]

Don't get down. Listen to these people here. These things have hurt many lives.

But they can be beat.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Matt and , Get a garden hand pump sprayer and put one cup of Lysol complete clean in to a gallon of water. Spray ceilings, walls, rugs, furniture, etc. with it. REALLY helps to control fungus, mites/bugs in the environment.Sally From: "charlesbradshaw1@..." <charlesbradshaw1@...> bird mites Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 4:15 PM Subject: Re: why, yes, i *have* danced with the devil Hi Matt moved myself 3 times. Found out they will attatch themselves to everything. Realized on the last move that the only place they could be coming from was me. I washed in the arm hammer borax. Coconut oil in hair. Kept it up in the clean environment for 2 weeks before I got all the crawlers hatched out. Walked around with 90 percent Alcohol and smothered them 1 at a time. 4 me - I got rid of them. I do believe they could be also in the sweat glands and that there could be many types even smaller that may do that. I also had them at my last house and son did not. Shave the hair and keep killing them till they cycle through. Sent from my BlackBerry® by Boost Mobile------------------------------------

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Join the club, Matt. I've had this FOREVER, it seems. Awww, heck, $20,000 is a

drop in the bucket... Your email was kind of funny, because we have all done

what you have done and more. Just ask me about heat treating my car!!! That was

fun!!! lol.....

Try to explain a hole in the seat of your car, or why the car looks the way it

does on the inside.... lol..... or you tell the guy at the natural gas place

the reason you are buying a tank full of CO2 is because, well,,,,, if I told

you, I'd have to kill you, and then he looks at you like... hey... where you

going with that co2??? or you ask the derm, why she isn't doing anything for

you? And she gives you that strange look, like,,,, hey I CAN'T HELP YOU!!!

>

> This is my first post to the group.  I joined a couple weeks back, and have

intended to write something all the while.  I'm a beaten man, though, and I've

lacked the motivation to actually sit down and coagulate my thoughts.  I've been

living with bird mites on and off for almost two years now, having moved to a

new house right in the middle.  I've done all sorts of crazy things, as many of

you have, with varying degrees of never-complete effectiveness.  I've vacuumed

for up to 10 hours a day (not lately).  I've used a steam vaporizer that long,

too... both on every square inch of floor, wall, and ceiling.  Remembering, of

course, to empty the bag immediately, Ziploc bag it, freeze it until trash day,

then dispose of it promptly.  I mean, that's what everyone does, right??

>

>

> I've used every 'thrin known to man.  Hired three PCOs.  Spread thin layers of

DE throughout my house, more than once.  I've used Bifen, melted menthol

crystals (which left red circles around my eyes, especially when combined with

all the Selsun Blue I used until recently - WAAAY too much menthol), Xtreme

Kleen, spread bleach, Borax, amonia, and lots of other chemicals I don't recall

at the moment.

>

> I've hired a plumber to connect a new water line directly from my water heater

to the washing machine, allowing me to wash clothes in hotter water than the

rest of the house gets.  I've bathed my dog way more than a dog should be

bathed.  I shower up to three times a day, scrubbing my skin raw with

a loofah sponge I used to enjoy.  I've scratched.  I've anticipated needing to

scratch just as much.  I've brushed my teeth every day for the past four months

while constantly moving my feet so I can handle being in the bathroom; I've

brushed my teeth less than I ever have as a result (yummy!).  I've slept on the

couch every day for the past three months while my wife sleeps in our bed

because I don't want my attractiveness among mites to impact her sleep.  

>

> I've contemplated suicide many, many times.  Never thinking that I'll actually

do it, mind you.  I have two kids, after all, and I'd never act that selfishly.

 But I fantasize about it, as it seems like such a peaceful solution to what

life has thrown at me.  I watch commercials or tv shows profiling people

relaxing in their fictitious houses - presumably mite-free - and I become

jealous.  Ditto toward my friends and family.  I worry constantly that I'll give

the problem to someone else, though I never have (I'm diligent about putting on

clean clothes, showering, even steam-cleaning bags and such before daring to

spend appreciable amounts of time in anyone's house or car).  

>

> In all my reading, the posts I see from people who've successfully rid

themselves of this plague fall into three categories:

>

> 1) People who've gotten rid of all possessions and moved to a new home.

> 2) People who've gotten rid of all possessions and

clorox'ed/bleached/amonia'ed their empty home until the cows came home.

> 3) People who've managed to have their homes Vikane gassed.  

>

> We moved in February, and brought the problem with us. I could go on and on

about how pissed I am at myself for not doing a better job of ensuring we didn't

bring it with us, but I don't even like to think about it.  The point is that

we're not going to move again any time soon, so option 1 is off the table.  I

was ready to go with #2, but my wife didn't like the idea of having to buy all

new stuff without any guarantee that it'd fix the problem.  (side, but

important, note:  Of all the family members, I feel the little fuckers the most,

by far.  My wife feels them occasionally, and neither of my kids feels them at

all.  I'm very thankful that no one else feels them like I do, while

simultaneously feeling sorry for myself that I had to draw a short straw.)

>

> So, my new focus is on getting a PCO to tent and Vikane the house.  It'll be

expensive, especially since I'll want it done twice, a week or so apart to

account for the eggs, which should be studied by the U.S. military since they

seem impervious to everything.  But I'd literally pay any amount of money to fix

the problem at this point, a sentiment many of you can relate to.  If Vikane

works, I'll consider it the best investment I will ever make.  

>

> If it doesn't work, I will become an even more desperate man, and will

convince my wife that throwing out all our stuff is necessary.  We've already

spent upwards of $20,000 treating this problem, including chemicals, cleaners,

PCOs, hotel stays, pet hotel stays, etc.  If we have to throw out our stuff, I'd

estimate it'll cost an additional $75K.  

>

> I've been divorced, and it was awful.  I remember thinking at one point that I

hoped it'd wind up being the worst thing I ever had to deal with.  But, looking

back, that was a cake-walk.  Each day sucked for a while.  But at the end of

each day, I got to plop on a couch, drink too much alcohol, and relax.  This

problem robs me of that ability.  I can never fully relax, unless I'm in the

shower or a pool or other source of moving water. Also when I exercise, though

I'm often too tired or scatter-brained to do that.  I've been an exercise addict

for about 20 years, typically lifting weights and/or running about six days a

week.  Now I'm lucky if I get three days; usually one or two.  In short summary,

I'm a beaten man, once full of life and now struggling to maintain my ability to

pretend to be normal around others.  

>

> Wow.  I really am all over the map here, and I've certainly bitched enough for

one email.  So I'll end it at that.  Many of you are in the same boat, which I

suppose is why I'm writing.  Misery does draw comfort from company, and so this

forum is a godsend.  Knowing you're all out there helps remind me that I'm not

crazy; I'm not imagining this problem as many people think I am.  Increasingly,

I appreciate that help, as I've been questioning my sanity a lot lately.  So,

thanks, everyone, for sharing your stories and remedies.  It's nice to know

you're out there.

>

> - Matt

>

[Guest guest]

Matt-You need to get to an LLMD and get evaluated and tested for Lyme disease. We all have it and with the proper treatment the bugs will not be attracted to you anymore plus your health will be so much better. Do you have any feelings of anxiety, OCD, obsessive thinking, insomnia? These are all symptoms of Lyme and bartonella. The birdmites are attracted to these infections in your body. Seen this a hundred times now. Aandraya

[Guest guest]

You are a genuine sweetheart (and so are others here too)! Thank goodness it

was not a stroke. I got very fearful but with my HMO I have to go to the ER to

get massive testing done.

Hugs

Sent from my iPod

On Jul 7, 2012, at 10:03 AM, mitesbegone <no_reply > wrote:

>

> Oh no..., a person can not survive all you have survived, fought as hard

as you have fought, only to suffer a stroke!! Never say that. I do know that

the stress and tension of all of this does catch up to us though and we must

find a way to channel that out of us. I am glad to hear you are taking ES

baths. Those are very cleansing and will help to remove toxins.

>

> I have never tried the Itraconazole. I believe that is a pretty good med, but

I thought I had read somewhere that it did carry some questionable side effects.

But I could have that confused. The diflucan seems to be helping me out. I had

been unable to renew my prescription for a couple of weeks which is maybe why

the fungus is finding me an easier target lately. But I am back on them now.

>

> I have such a cocktail of prescription meds and supplements that I just can't

squeeze any more in. I just have to have faith that my doctors know what they

are doing for me (and to me).

>

> Hugs, Terry

>

>>>

>>> Fantastic Terry. I am so happy to hear you are feeling better. Which anti

fungal are you on? I wish I had not bought so much Itraconazole (expensive) and

I did not do well on it at all.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

Terry,

Do u have múltiple chemical sensitivity?

I feel sick, crawling, pricks when too many different products with frangrances are used...

Also beware if your friend us using organic orange tko. It was very irritating to my son's ( & my lungs).  Caused wheezing/asthma.

E

On Jul 8, 2012 5:58 PM, " goldstein " <Goldstein@...> wrote:

 

You are a genuine sweetheart (and so are others here too)! Thank goodness it was not a stroke. I got very fearful but with my HMO I have to go to the ER to get massive testing done.

Hugs

Sent from my iPod

On Jul 7, 2012, at 10:03 AM, mitesbegone <no_reply > wrote:

>

> Oh no..., a person can not survive all you have survived, fought as hard as you have fought, only to suffer a stroke!! Never say that. I do know that the stress and tension of all of this does catch up to us though and we must find a way to channel that out of us. I am glad to hear you are taking ES baths. Those are very cleansing and will help to remove toxins.

>

> I have never tried the Itraconazole. I believe that is a pretty good med, but I thought I had read somewhere that it did carry some questionable side effects. But I could have that confused. The diflucan seems to be helping me out. I had been unable to renew my prescription for a couple of weeks which is maybe why the fungus is finding me an easier target lately. But I am back on them now.

>

> I have such a cocktail of prescription meds and supplements that I just can't squeeze any more in. I just have to have faith that my doctors know what they are doing for me (and to me).

>

> Hugs, Terry

>

>>>

>>> Fantastic Terry. I am so happy to hear you are feeling better. Which anti fungal are you on? I wish I had not bought so much Itraconazole (expensive) and I did not do well on it at all.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

I have never been diagnosed with multiple chemical sensitivity, but I guess it

is possible. Thanks for the warning. I have TKO but have never used it. Now I

won't.

Terry

> > >>>

> > >>> Fantastic Terry. I am so happy to hear you are feeling better. Which

> > anti fungal are you on? I wish I had not bought so much Itraconazole

> > (expensive) and I did not do well on it at all.

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Matt,

Your 2nd & 3rd options increase the TOXIC load that your body is exposed to. My

worst symptoms were a direct result of adding more chemical garbage into my life

and body. As a result my skin was crawling 24\7, biting me in my eyes, I could

feel them in my nose and ears as well. It was a nightmare...

Investigate Option #4:

Deal with our compromised immune system. Cleanse our colon, kidneys and liver

so they may work effectively.

When I eliminated Milk (cows milk), cheese and Sun Chips from my diet I slowed

them down by 35% +\-.

It's nice to try and deal with our environment, BUT, if there are others in the

house that do not suffer from this then we may wanna take a long hard look at

why ME and not them. I'm glad your children are not affected...

A lady named Dr Natasha -McBride wrote a book " Gut & Psychology

Syndrome " . Thought it is geared towards mental issues and how they relate to

the intestinal tract (85% of our immune system) it's a great read about how our

immune system works and some great directions on rebuilding that Immune System.

She is working on a 2nd book similar to this one except it is geared towards

issues other than mental illness. But the information in the 1st book is spot

on.

I hope you find answers that great for you and your family.

[Guest guest]

Matt and -Get an Igenix Lyme western blot 188-189, and see an LLMD ASAP.AandrayaOn Jul 20, 2012, at 10:38 AM, sidepull5150 <sidepull5150@...> wrote:

Hey Matt,

Your 2nd & 3rd options increase the TOXIC load that your body is exposed to. My worst symptoms were a direct result of adding more chemical garbage into my life and body. As a result my skin was crawling 24\7, biting me in my eyes, I could feel them in my nose and ears as well. It was a nightmare...

Investigate Option #4:

Deal with our compromised immune system. Cleanse our colon, kidneys and liver so they may work effectively.

When I eliminated Milk (cows milk), cheese and Sun Chips from my diet I slowed them down by 35% +\-.

It's nice to try and deal with our environment, BUT, if there are others in the house that do not suffer from this then we may wanna take a long hard look at why ME and not them. I'm glad your children are not affected...

A lady named Dr Natasha -McBride wrote a book "Gut & Psychology Syndrome". Thought it is geared towards mental issues and how they relate to the intestinal tract (85% of our immune system) it's a great read about how our immune system works and some great directions on rebuilding that Immune System. She is working on a 2nd book similar to this one except it is geared towards issues other than mental illness. But the information in the 1st book is spot on.

I hope you find answers that great for you and your family.

[Guest guest]

Thanks sidepull. Really good answer. I agree that many of us, most of us, have major gut issues going on. Must get toxic load down. Hulda books deal with the toxin issue too.From: "sidepull5150" <sidepull5150@...>bird mites Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 8:38:05 AMSubject: Re: why, yes, i *have* danced with the devilHey Matt,Your 2nd & 3rd options increase the TOXIC load that your body is exposed to. My worst symptoms were a direct result of adding more chemical garbage into my life and body. As a result my skin was crawling 24\7, biting me in my eyes, I could feel them in my nose and ears as well. It was a nightmare...Investigate Option #4:Deal with our compromised immune system. Cleanse our colon, kidneys and liver so they may work effectively.When I eliminated Milk (cows milk), cheese and Sun Chips from my diet I slowed them down by 35% +\-.It's nice to try and deal with our environment, BUT, if there are others in the house that do not suffer from this then we may wanna take a long hard look at why ME and not them. I'm glad your children are not affected...A lady named Dr Natasha -McBride wrote a book "Gut & Psychology Syndrome". Thought it is geared towards mental issues and how they relate to the intestinal tract (85% of our immune system) it's a great read about how our immune system works and some great directions on rebuilding that Immune System. She is working on a 2nd book similar to this one except it is geared towards issues other than mental illness. But the information in the 1st book is spot on.I hope you find answers that great for you and your family.------------------------------------