To

[Guest guest]

I'm really rough " guestimating " . A 40/40 ratio on carbs and protein does

not take into account the carb values in vegetables. I haven't penciled it

out.

On the fat part of the equation, my thinking is that most whole food protein

sources contain fat and some carb sources do as well, the rest of the fat is

from added oils and EFA's. Of a 2000 calorie diet, 20% is 400 calories, or

44.4 grams per day or 7.4 grams per meal for fat. Perhaps has a better

estimate and a better target for the program. Certainly a 15% rate would be

hard to reach without avoiding higher fat meats and other sources of dietary

fat. While on my last round two of my meals consisted of non-fat cottage

cheese and an apple, two consisted of Myoplex deluxe bars at 7 grams of fat

each, dinner was typically two chicken breasts and brown rice and salad with

basalmic and olive oil (3g. a piece for each breast, 13g. for a Tablespoon

of olive oil), last meal Myoplex Deluxe Shake with protein powder and 2 C of

skim milk (2g. fat), and finally two caps of fish oil that I don't have

figures on, but assuming it is about 1/2 T it would be no more than 7g. A

grand total of 42g. Since my diet was around 2800 calories my diet was way

too low in fat on those days as that would be below 8% in calories from fat.

I also frequently ate tuna and salmon and occasionally beef and pork, and on

the weekend did not eat the two meals of fat free cottage cheese or the meal

replacement bars and thus had more fat from whole foods and of course there

was a little additional fat on free day.

Bottom line my " guestimate " may be low and fat may more characteristically

be at 20% on the average.

Assuming it is at 20%, then 80% needs to be divided between carbs and

protein. If the portion rule is followed my guestimate assumed there was

additional carbs from the vegies.

My thinking may be slightly flawed in that the items on the authorized carb

list contains some protein which adds to the protein component and reduces

the carb component balanced by a reduction in the protein component from the

fat content of the items on the authorized protein list.

It all depends on the specific choices made on the various lists, so my

guestimate weighted the carb side higher due to vegies and the slightly

higher percentage of fats in protein foods than protein in carb foods. The

added weight to the 9 calories for each gram of fat vs. 4 calories for each

gram of protein would remove more calories from the protein side of the

equation as well.

This all may exhibit some pretty jumbled logic. The only way to accurately

measure is to take an accurate and representative food log over several

weeks and crunch the numbers.

It may be that the carb/protein/fat ratio in calories is 45/35/20 or

40/35/25 or 43/37/20 or 41/39/20 but I expect carbs to be slightly higher.

The closer you get to a maximum fat loss program, the lower I expect fat %

to go and the closer I expect carbs and protein to be. The closer you get

to a max muscle gain program, the higher I would expect carbs and possibly

fat to go compared with protein, even though calories from protein may

increase. If you increased calories for muscle gain by adding carbs to the

first two to three meals fat calories would stay the same but the % of the

total would be reduced.

It's clear that EFA's, olive oils and any fat dense condiments as well as

tuna and salmon can greatly swing the fat percentages. Fat is important,

how much is enough and how much is too much seems to be a big range. This

exercise has done one thing positive for me, which is to surface a potential

deficiency in my plan. I thought I was easily between 15-20% fat.

My apologies for the length. Have an exceptional 2001! All the best! Kit

:=)

[Guest guest]

Kristy:

Endo stage II as well. I am 22, and it has been " in my head " since 14.

I've had so many problems, and I don't think it stops there. They have me

on BCP's, but I don't think it is helping. Pain lessened on Synarel, but

emotionally I was a mess! I don't really feel like I have many more

options, except to keep doing the laps. That is all they really can do,

right?

To

Hi ,

I just wanted to let you know that I also suffer from

endometriosis and Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome. In addition

to that I'm also have a condition called vulvodynia. I'm

29 years old and I've been having to contend with all of

this nonsense since at least 16 but didn't get diagnosed

with the female problems until I was 25. I was diagnosed

with endo in Aug of 1997. My endo is at a stage II. What

stage is yours?

Please feel free to e-mail me directly.

=====

Kristy

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Falls/4659/kristyspage.html

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[Guest guest]

,

I had drs laugh at me when I started complaining of

problems with endo. Especially when I had some of the

plastic like feeling. And yes unfortunately, sometimes

surgery is the only thing that can be done. I've never

done Lupron or Synarel. I'm on the pill and I've been able

to slow the growth of mine down for the most part.

My dr has tried to get me to go on Lupron twice and I've

told her no way. Another thing that's out there that some

of the ladies have tried is called Zoladex but it's

injected in to the stomach area b/c it's an implanted

capsule that is injected.

What kind of problems are you currently having with your

endo? I'm having a problem where I think that there might

be some endo sitting in the vaginal area. I will let you

know the results of my biopsy in Feb.

Feel free to write any time.

=====

Kristy

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Falls/4659/kristyspage.html

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Kristy:

The problems that I have are constant huge cysts! I had really weird

bleeding, and LOTS of pain! Every month, twice a month, I ended up in the

ER for pain. Now I have adhesions from the previous laps, and they want to

do them every 6 months. I don't really think that is needed, but something

must be done! I don't have a period anymore, from the constant BCP's, and

we'll see how that goes. I have endo on my bladder and bowels, too. They

can't laser those ones, or they could perforate my bladder or bowel. It was

terrible, because sometimes I'd get some pain, and couldn't control my

functions. I'm crossing my fingers for you, and by the way, have you heard

of witsendo? Support group for endo. (no offense, I hope Aisha, this is by

far the best support group) I know there is one for PCOS, but you have to

pay! Ridiculous!

RE: To

,

I had drs laugh at me when I started complaining of

problems with endo. Especially when I had some of the

plastic like feeling. And yes unfortunately, sometimes

surgery is the only thing that can be done. I've never

done Lupron or Synarel. I'm on the pill and I've been able

to slow the growth of mine down for the most part.

My dr has tried to get me to go on Lupron twice and I've

told her no way. Another thing that's out there that some

of the ladies have tried is called Zoladex but it's

injected in to the stomach area b/c it's an implanted

capsule that is injected.

What kind of problems are you currently having with your

endo? I'm having a problem where I think that there might

be some endo sitting in the vaginal area. I will let you

know the results of my biopsy in Feb.

Feel free to write any time.

=====

Kristy

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Falls/4659/kristyspage.html

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

,

I belong to WITSENDO. Also I take the pill on a continuous

basis so as to not have a period and I love it. And even

though I'm sure that my endo is growing it seems to grow

about every 2 years and that's good for me b/c I feel so

badly for those who have to have laparoscopies so often.

Also someone has mentioned that there is a new scalpel out

called the Harmonic Scalpel that is supposed to be real

beneficial for treating endo. I don't know if it's used

during laparoscopy or with the laparotomy but I thought

that was kind of interesting that they have this out there.

Also, I can't remember if it was you that said that you

wanted to be part of a PCOS list but couldn't b/c you would

have to pay. Any way, there are some free lists out there.

I belong to several of them. If you are interested let me

know and I will tell you about them. And the same thing

with the endometriosis lists. I belong to several of those

in addition to WITS.

How are you holding up today? I hope ok and please know

that you are in my thoughts.

=====

Kristy

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Falls/4659/kristyspage.html

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

"I'm crossing my fingers for you, and by the way, have you heardof witsendo? Support group for endo. (no offense, I hope Aisha, this is byfar the best support group) I know there is one for PCOS, but you have topay! Ridiculous!"

Hi ,

Nah no probs hon - we all have different physical needs from our own battles so you need to seek the sources that will help with that!

Many people here also run lists, like Jan and !! So dont matter!!

*hugs*

Love Aisha

[Guest guest]

I have some really good and informative sites of Fibromyalgia (fms)

If you want them let me know andi will be happy to pass it along.

--

Hugs to you

Tasha

Don & wrote:

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> know anything about it, but he says there is 18 sore points, and I have 16.

> It is great to know what I have now. Anyone else have this? How do you

> cope?

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Tasha,

Yes please!

Re: To

I have some really good and informative sites of Fibromyalgia (fms)

If you want them let me know andi will be happy to pass it along.

--

Hugs to you

Tasha

Don & wrote:

> I just got back from the doctors, and he says I have fibromyalgia. I

didn't

> know anything about it, but he says there is 18 sore points, and I have

16.

> It is great to know what I have now. Anyone else have this? How do you

> cope?

>

>

>

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must do even, if it's a long way from here. Hold on to your life, even if

it's easier to let go. " - Pueblo Prayer

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you believe, even if it's a tree that stands by itself. Hold on to what you

must do even, if it's a long way from here. Hold on to your life, even if

it's easier to let go. " - Pueblo Prayer

[Guest guest]

I have some really good and informative sites of Fibromyalgia (fms)

If you want them let me know andi will be happy to pass it along.

*** Tasha, will you share your sites with us please. Thanks *hugs*

Chelle (michelle4)

[Guest guest]

Louis,

Thanks for your well wishes!

Last night the Chat was so busy! It was great to see so many

people! I was not happy getting off 'just to go to bed'!! This working

days is really cramping my style! ;o)

Take care, Louis,

wendy

===================================================================

> I had missed your presence on our list and I am glad that you are

back. Hope all is well. I am grateful for the quality and

frequency of your participation on our list.

> Take care.

> Louis

[Guest guest]

Dear : I can relate with my (also DS and age 7) as far as getting excited in the store and wanting to run. I think "one on one time" is excellent. My feels especially "special" when I take her with me and we have our time "alone." She seems to be "merging" with maturity little by little and I think she gets "rambunctious" when little brother is along because she wants to "dominate" the setting with him. I noticed that she talkes "louder" when I have along and tries to "get away." It's really annoying and frustrating and even stressful at times. I admit that I just dread doing errands with with the two of them. is 3 1/2 and also DS and he's at the "good natured stage" when it comes to shopping. I've decided to get a sitter for him more often and take so I can work on her public social behaviors. I noticed that she is so good when I say things like, " I like the way you are holding my hand and staying close to mommy." She responds with something like, "yeah!!" and it's with an excited tone. Or maybe I'll let her choose one or more of the snacks and I just use the time to "praise her for her good decisions." She loves praise! Anyways, I've rambled on but noticed that I can relate to you and was wondering if it is an"age and stage" thing.

Joyce Fledderjohann-mother of seven-three are DS.Ben-DS -age17,Matt 15,-DS-age 7, and -DS-age 3 1/2. (the oldest three are married.)

[Guest guest]

Oh Joyce, Wow... I am not alone... I always wonder why

and how much longer before she outgrowns it..I see a

huge different when it just her and when they are both

with me. I hate to say it but I stay home and shelter

from the world cuz it so much work with them both. She

done great last week. I usally take her on Fridays...

I even notice we took her to the movies and she was

wonderful she ran once or twice..but great compare to

usally.. Now for a poll of question...Does any one

else have a child like this..

Oh Joyce,would love to keep in touch with you, I have

thought about you alot. How is johnathan doing with

asthma and all??

How is rebecca doing in school???

How is Ben doing??

You can email me private if you like,

cmedran99@...

well they both picking fights so better hurry..

Bye, mom to and Dayton

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CYNTHIA MEDRANO

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[Guest guest]

Don't eat any tuna too....

Kathy

To

>Hi ,

>

>I would also highly recommend that you get adequate, meaning for than

average, cal and magnesium. Prenatals do not cut it in my opinion. Before

I got pregant I had no cavities and no fillings. Perfect flawless teeth and

nine months later, after my son was born, I had 12 cavities. I also

learned later that stretch marks are more prevalent when you don't have

enough calcium/mag. I wish I had known these things before I got pregnant

instead of after.

>

>The best ones I know of are cal and mag orotate or coral calcium magnesium

with trace minerals.

>

>And I love Jacqui's post. I love knowing that you can do homozon when

pregnant. That is wonderful.

>

>I would also think things like Bee pollen, royal jelly and food based

supplements like Juice Plus would be good, but don't have personal

experience.

>

>Just my 2 cents,

>Donna

>ruthful@...

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sara,

In response to your question about the speed of your squats, after looking at

your pics, all I can say is keep doing what you are doing, It is obviously

working quite well. My wife keeps your pictures on her workout clipboard for

inspiration. Mark

[Guest guest]

,

How's it going down there with the Orlando Event? The weather is beautiful

here (on the coast of Alabama) so I'm thinking it is there, too. I've

wondered if you met your physical goals you set for this weekend. I can't

remember exactly what they were but I remember they were tough!

Good luck with the Galaxy!!

Sara

[Guest guest]

Hi , Well the episode you described could have

happened here at our houe amny times over with our son

who is now 7 yrs. old. Even what you described the

school doing was almost identical to what we

experienced when he was in first grade. My sons

disorders began showing up at age 3 and went on from

there. It wasn't until this past year that we finalyy

were able to access a psychologist who reallu knew

about who anxiety and OCD affect a young child that we

have been able to make much headway witha nd for

Tommy. We curently have him taking Prozac, and Buspar

for his OCD and anxiety. He also has severe AD/HD and

he needs to take a stimulant in order to function -

this probably doesn't help his OCD and Anxiety but we

have seen a marked change in him since adding Buspar

this past fall. He is now able to participate in his

therapy. Yes, He also has told us and the school that

he wanted to kill himself, and that he wanted to leave

home and be homeless. I really feel for you and what

you are experiencing now as reading your post brought

me back to the days when my life was on complete

overload just as your is now. Please try to find some

few minutes each day to do something special for

yourself, keep in close contact with the list and

remember that we do understand and we are thinking of

you at this most difficult time.

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[Guest guest]

Jule: My son is one of the children who really must

take a stimulant in order to function, even with his

OCD. Adderall did make things worse for his OCD

issues, but the other shorter acting meds. available

at the time made his mood swings intolerable, as he

became agressive. This may have something to do with

Adderall being composed of 4 different stimulants, as

the others being composed of 1. I have heard from many

of the AD/HD parents I know that Adderall has affected

their child in this way. We have had much more

success with Concerta, which is a very long acting

form of Methylfenidate (Ritalin) , which doesnt't

cause the dramatic rebound related mood swings that we

used to see. Adding Buspar in with his Prozac has

really seemd to help his anxiety level also. I am not

a professional, but our sons progress has been

dramatic since these meds were switched around in

September 2000. I also know that there are 3rd stage

trials being done now on a different type of AD/HD

med, that works on the norepinephrene receptors, and

is not a stimulant. The child Psychiatrists are

rather excited about this drug, esp. for Pediatric

patients because it is not a stimulant.I really wish

that my child did not have to take a stimulant, byt

his distractability , hyperactivity and impulsivity

are so severe that we would have to have an adult

shadowing him at all times. Before these meds, I did

not have any life except being with him constantly, as

it took 1 adult watching Tommy, and another to be with

the other 3 kids when I wasn't home. I have a bit

more freedom now than I did the first seven years of

his life. Regards,

--- j.monnens@... wrote:

> I'm going to echo what others have written.

> Stimulants must be used

> VERY cautiously with OCD and TS. And it seems to be

> worse, IMNSHO,

> with the long acting varieties. My son ended up

> hospitalized before

> we realized that Adderall was causing his OCD to

> escalate to the point

> where he was almost catatonic.

>

> Many kids with OCD are first diagnosed with ADHD

> and, in fact, there

> is a lot of comorbidity between ADHD, OCD and TS. I

> would try cutting

> out the Concerta for the weekend and see what

> happens. Aiden isn't

> nearly so ADHHHHHD now that he's older. And the

> meds he's on for OCD

> seem to help him stay focused at school.

>

> FWIW. Jule

>

>

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[Guest guest]

To everyone that replyed to my original post:

Thank you so much for caring enough to respond. I took my son off

the Concerta for the weekend. Although his hyperactivity was back,

he was less anxious. We have an appointment Wed. with his pediatric

neurologist.

When my son is feeling ocd anxieties should I ask him to talk about

it? Should I ignore his compulsions? This weekend when he wasn't

taking the Concerta, he still had some ocd feelings, but he did not

seem as preoccupied with them.

Thanks again to everyone who posted advice for me.

It is greatly appreciated.

B.

[Guest guest]

Hi Lesli,

Thank you - that does help a lot. We had increased her meds last spring

to only 7 mgs and the behavioral side effects were so awful (she climbed out

onto the roof, for example) that we backed off again. But six months later

the OCD got so much worse that I was willing to give it another try. Her

psychiatrist explained that the liver metabolizes the meds better after a few

months so it is often necessary to raise the dosage once. She is certainly

doing better on 10 mgs. now than she was on 7 then, but still... it's a

relief to hear that she may adjust. I'll keep my fingers crossed!

Thanks,

in Reno

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

You wrote:

We have recently increased her meds to 10 mg. Paxil (from 5) on the

> advice of her psychiatrist and yes, her OCD seems more under control. But

she

> is even more hyper, talkative, impulsive, irrational than she normally is.

This behavior may be coming from the increase in your daughter's medication.

We experienced similar behavioral side effects (BSE's) with our daughter and

Prozac. These were most pronounced during the first few months of use, and

then again each time we raised her dose. These behavioral side effects have

since disappeared, now that her body has adjusted. (She's been taking

Prozac for more than two years; she's seven years old.)

Hope this helps,

Lesli, San Francisco Bay

[Guest guest]

Thanks Amy,the toffee crunch sounds as good as the lemon cheesecake.

I love the vanilla shake with cinnamon ,I add some butter buds and

splenda also.I appreciate the ideas as I am making a shift change

from 2nd shift to 1st which means less prep time,especially after

workout and getting my 5 yr old to daycare.

> Hi rebecca; Congrats on your progress!. I truly love the myoplex

> light vanilla shake with cinnamon added to it and the light bars in

> the Toffee Crunch flavor. I hope you like these as well! - AMY

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

I just wanted to say again how helpful your insights are. One little

comment that you made recently has really changed the way I am dealing with

my daughter and thinking about her behavior. One of the biggest problems we

have is her explosive anger, which flares up for incomprehensible (to us)

reasons. One minute she is happily playing with her brother, and the next she

is angry at him and slamming doors. Or saying hateful things. This is

frustrating for us, and awful for him (he is only five, she is eight). When

you pointed out that it could be something as little as ending a sentence

with a G, I realized that that is probably exactly the kind of thing that is

setting her off. When I demanded an explanation the other evening, the

closest she would come to explaining it is saying that whenever she thinks

about her therapist she gets really angry. I take this as a sign that some

OCD thing is happening, which reminds her of her therapist and her OCD, and

then she explodes. So your comment has opened up a whole new way of looking

at things, and I hope, a bit more patience on our part.

Where would we be without you???

Thank you again.

[Guest guest]

,

From August 1999 to December 1999, I was not following BFL. I didn't find out about the book until then. I started BFL in Dec. 1999 and entered the challenge in Jan. 2000.

Prior to Jan. 2000, I was following the same diet program, but not the BFL workout program. I was doing a high aerobic/circuit training program by a personal trainer. I lost around 9 pounds of lean mass as well as only 17 pounds of fat.

When I started BFL, my first twelve weeks I gained back a significant amount of lean mass and doubled my fat loss, following the book.

Hope this helps.

Cheryl C.

[Guest guest]

,

From August 1999 to December 1999, I was not following BFL. I didn't find out about the book until then. I started BFL in Dec. 1999 and entered the challenge in Jan. 2000.

Prior to Jan. 2000, I was following the same diet program, but not the BFL workout program. I was doing a high aerobic/circuit training program by a personal trainer. I lost around 9 pounds of lean mass as well as only 17 pounds of fat.

When I started BFL, my first twelve weeks I gained back a significant amount of lean mass and doubled my fat loss, following the book.

Hope this helps.

Cheryl C.

[Guest guest]

,

My son was diagnosed with ocd at age 7. He was very relieved to know that

what he was experiencing had a name to it and that he could be helped. It

was very scary for him when he didn't know what was happening to him. He was

severely impacted at that time. When he was 9 and we found a support group

with other kids, it helped him become more " comfortable " about his ocd and

more accepting of it as part of who he was in relation to other kids. It was

at that point that he decided to tell a few close friends about it.

He is now 15 and has found a group of friends who luckily are very accepting

of each other. As a family we have been very open in talking about ocd

within the family/extended family and in situations where informing others

would serve in our son's best interests. Education about ocd from the very

onset at 7 has also helped him very much.

Good luck.

/NY