Re: The Big Guy Gets an ICD!

June 30, 2001

i sent an email to the whitehouse suggesting that he join the zappers. does anyone think he will????

bob in pa

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June 30, 2001

Bob,

>

> i sent an email to the whitehouse suggesting that he join the

zappers. does anyone think he will????

Twould be cool, but not holding my breath! I was amazed

that his is being installed on an outpatient basis. My husband

had to spend the night, on a monitor. Didn't you all too?

Sue

bob in pa

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She was not quite what you would call unrefined.

She was the kind of person that keeps a parrot. "

-- Mark Twain

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June 30, 2001

hi sue

i thought i saw on the news the electrical study will be done tomorow and if needed the icd will be put right in and he will go home on saturday. could be wrong but i think i heard that.

bob in pa

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June 30, 2001

----- Original Message -----

From: Munson <

>

> I don't think the implant will be on an outpatient basis

All:

Remember the political implications of keeping the vice President in a

hospital, even for only one night. I think they will want to make a

statement that it's " no big deal " and he can go hiome the came day. of

course he'll have a medical support team with him (or very close by) for the

next few days.

Probably the best thing that will come out of all of this is that the

publicity will make the implants a more viable solution among cardiologists.

That will bring the costs down and accelerate the technology. it's a shame

that it takes celebrity or the public visibility of those in medical need to

get the attention needed to advance scientifically.

Bill

June 30, 2001

In case you did not get to read the Zapper Update... We scrapped the

article we planned to run and focused on the news out of the White

House today. We also took a jab at my previous (once proud) craft...

I just can't believe those high paid network folks don't understand

the difference between an ICD and pacemaker.

See http://www.ZapLife.org

I suppose these clowns also think Monsoon and Blizzard are

interchangeable terms. A daily trade journal had the guts to run an

editorial I wrote today regarding the ICD reporting short comings.

See http://www.tvspy.com/shoptalk.cfm?page=5

The news page is loaded with reports on VP Cheney... and will be

updated as appropriate all weekend.

See http://www.ZapLife.org/zap2.htm

Today's update also includes a note how you can make a little money on

the side by finding and referring potential AED customers to me.

June 30, 2001

Wow that will be something else....to have our vice president in our little ICD zapper groupy!!!! Wouldn't that just be great???

Ruth in PA

June 30, 2001

Hey you zappers,

There's an interesting article about Cheney at this sight: http://msnbc.com/news Check it out.

Ruth in PA

June 30, 2001

I agree with your political viewpoint of the procedure. The other thing I

found interesting is during an interview on PBS the Veep kept referring to

the unit as a type of pacemaker. Either he did not understand what he is

getting into ( common) or it was calculated to minimize the political

impact.

The also had a great interview with a cardiologist from town

University on the same show. The commentator, with his ignorance and

obvious liberal political leanings was trying to trick the doc into saying

that Dick is on the way out, you cannot do anything with a defib, not even

brush your own teeth, and somehow the unit made you dumb. The doc dispelled

all of those subtle claims and did a great job of saying " life goes on, and

for most people just fine. "

Maybe the only truth was the dumb part as my memory is getting poorer by the

day.....<g>

Pete E

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Re: The Big Guy Gets an ICD!

----- Original Message -----

From: Munson <

>

> I don't think the implant will be on an outpatient basis

All:

Remember the political implications of keeping the vice President in a

hospital, even for only one night. I think they will want to make a

statement that it's " no big deal " and he can go hiome the came day. of

course he'll have a medical support team with him (or very close by) for the

next few days.

Probably the best thing that will come out of all of this is that the

publicity will make the implants a more viable solution among cardiologists.

That will bring the costs down and accelerate the technology. it's a shame

that it takes celebrity or the public visibility of those in medical need to

get the attention needed to advance scientifically.

Bill

Please visit the Zapper homepage at

http://www.ZapLife.org

June 30, 2001

...

> Interesting huh? Now is a great chance for all of us to have our 5

> minutes

> of fame! Maybe people will no longer say de-fib what?

Really! I won't have to explain it anymore, fat chance. It IS

good these devices are finally getting some publicity.

Here's a good article from the NY Times on the ICD, seemed fairly

factual to me:

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/30/politics/30HEAR.html

Sue

--

" She was not quite what you would call refined.

She was not quite what you would call unrefined.

She was the kind of person that keeps a parrot. "

-- Mark Twain

Rich and Sue Owens

http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Meadows/7457/index3.html

June 30, 2001

I, for one, would be truly amazed if the Vice President--or any other very

high ranking leader--were to join this or any other e-group. It is just not

realistic to think that they might. (They might pop up once, the way

politicians do at Little League games, church bake sales and Golden-Ager

meetings, but that is not what they do or will do with their time.)

For all the jokes about the Vice President not having anything to do, and

even if one agrees with FDR Veep Nance Garner's comment that the job

wasn't worth a " hill of beans, " I don't think that Mr. Cheney has the time

to read and certainly not the time to answer our postings. And that assumes

that he even has an inclination to do so. Remember that these (high level

politicians) are people for whom breakfast is a meeting at work and golfing

is a four hour negotiation without lawyers and accountants. And does anyone

truly believe that the Secret Service would tell the Vice president that it

was a good idea to share e-mail time with a bunch of average Americans who

have not been cleared ( " vetted " in their jargon) for safety and security

purposes?

No, I don't think we'll be seeing Mr. Cheney appearing periodically on our

little forum, although we might certainly receive a thank you for the

invitation and the usual politician's promise to keep in touch. neither he,

nor any other politician that I know of would want to put themselves in what

would appear to them to be a shooting gallery for a very narrow segment of

the electorate, one that holds some very real political dangers should a

gaffe be made on line and holds little or no potential for political

advantage.

Of course I could be wrong as I have many times in the past, but I am not

getting my hopes up.

Bill

BTW Did anyone hear Leno's monologue last night? He said referred to

Cheney's description of an AICD as a " pacemaker plus " as sounding like it

came from Ron Popeil, the guy with all those kitchen gadgets sold on

infomercials. He also said that Cheney's medical condition means that

Bush is just a heartbeat away from being President.

Re: The Big Guy Gets an ICD!

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Munson <

> >

> > I don't think the implant will be on an outpatient basis

>

> All:

>

> Remember the political implications of keeping the vice President in a

> hospital, even for only one night. I think they will want to make a

> statement that it's " no big deal " and he can go hiome the came day. of

> course he'll have a medical support team with him (or very close by) for

the

> next few days.

>

> Probably the best thing that will come out of all of this is that the

> publicity will make the implants a more viable solution among

cardiologists.

> That will bring the costs down and accelerate the technology. it's a

shame

> that it takes celebrity or the public visibility of those in medical need

to

> get the attention needed to advance scientifically.

>

> Bill

>

> Please visit the Zapper homepage at

> http://www.ZapLife.org

>

June 30, 2001

i agree with you bill. not only would the v.p. not become a member of our elite little group. even if he had the time the powers that be would advise against it.

but i do beleive this, at some point in the near future he will most surely visit our site and read some postings or archives.

at the very least someone on his staff will be assigned to do so.

bob in pa

-- Re: The Big Guy Gets an ICD!

I, for one, would be truly amazed if the Vice President--or any other veryhigh ranking leader--were to join this or any other e-group. It is just notrealistic to think that they might. (They might pop up once, the waypoliticians do at Little League games, church bake sales and Golden-Agermeetings, but that is not what they do or will do with their time.)For all the jokes about the Vice President not having anything to do, andeven if one agrees with FDR Veep Nance Garner's comment that the jobwasn't worth a "hill of beans," I don't think that Mr. Cheney has the timeto read and certainly not the time to answer our postings. And that assumesthat he even has an inclination to do so. Remember that these (high levelpoliticians) are people for whom breakfast is a meeting at work and golfingis a four hour negotiation without lawyers and accountants. And does anyonetruly believe that the Secret Service would tell the Vice president that itwas a good idea to share e-mail time with a bunch of average Americans whohave not been cleared ("vetted" in their jargon) for safety and securitypurposes?No, I don't think we'll be seeing Mr. Cheney appearing periodically on ourlittle forum, although we might certainly receive a thank you for theinvitation and the usual politician's promise to keep in touch. neither he,nor any other politician that I know of would want to put themselves in whatwould appear to them to be a shooting gallery for a very narrow segment ofthe electorate, one that holds some very real political dangers should agaffe be made on line and holds little or no potential for politicaladvantage.Of course I could be wrong as I have many times in the past, but I am notgetting my hopes up.BillBTW Did anyone hear Leno's monologue last night? He said referred toCheney's description of an AICD as a "pacemaker plus" as sounding like itcame from Ron Popeil, the guy with all those kitchen gadgets sold oninfomercials. He also said that Cheney's medical condition means that Bush is just a heartbeat away from being President. Re: The Big Guy Gets an ICD!>>> ----- Original Message -----> From: Munson <> >> > I don't think the implant will be on an outpatient basis>> All:>> Remember the political implications of keeping the vice President in a> hospital, even for only one night. I think they will want to make a> statement that it's "no big deal" and he can go hiome the came day. of> course he'll have a medical support team with him (or very close by) forthe> next few days.>> Probably the best thing that will come out of all of this is that the> publicity will make the implants a more viable solution amongcardiologists.> That will bring the costs down and accelerate the technology. it's ashame> that it takes celebrity or the public visibility of those in medical needto> get the attention needed to advance scientifically.>> Bill>>> Please visit the Zapper homepage at> http://www.ZapLife.org>>

June 30, 2001

----- Original Message -----

From: J

at the very least someone on his staff will be assigned to do so.

bob in pa

Bob:

Definitely a possibility, depending on cheney's interest and motivation at the time. I suspect the best we can hope for is a polite thank you and maybe the promise of "joining our efforts." After that he will disappear like highway restrooms when your Lasix kicks in.

Bill

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June 30, 2001

Sue... I spent the night for replacement... but only because surgery

was so late in the day... 4 PM... I was scheduled for 6 AM but kept

getting bumped ... ICD placement is considered same day surgery now

that they don't have to open chest or run leads from abdomine ... and

they aren't done in OR but in EP lab ... I'm quite sure VP Cheney

isn't going to be bumped for his Electrophysiological Study or his

ICD placement so he'll probably be done very early in the day and

sent home in the evening... I'd be surprised if he had to spend the

night in the hospital... That's probably why all was scheduled for a

Saturday... time to recoup over the weekend. And it does bother me

that neither the VP or many others are referring to the ICD as a

defibrillator... it's not a pacemaker... no wonder SSD kept telling

me I didn't qualify for disability cause my " pacemaker " was doing

very well by me \o/ ... I feel the VP is trying hard to down-play

all of this so his opponents will not have more ammo w/which to try

to push him out of office... but in doing so, he's really not helping

the public understand what it is that we all have.

JES in NJ, USA

God created your face... You create the expression

>

I was amazed that his is being installed on an outpatient basis. My

husband had to spend the night, on a monitor. Didn't you all too?

> Sue

>

> From: Sue Owens

> Date: June 29, 2001 09:24:26 PM

> Zap List

> Subject: The Big Guy Gets an ICD!

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>

> --

> " She was not quite what you would call refined.

> She was not quite what you would call unrefined.

> She was the kind of person that keeps a parrot. "

> -- Mark Twain

>

> Rich and Sue Owens

> http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Meadows/7457/index3.html

>

> Please visit the Zapper homepage at

> http://www.ZapLife.org

>

June 30, 2001