Re: Re: Antioxidant Benefits (????)

[Guest guest]

To go off on a slight tangent, this illustrates one of the reasons that the " food " must be eaten rather than a supplement. We just don't know enough about what accounts for the beneficial effect. It's not nice to try to fool mother nature........

on 8/10/2005 8:32 AM, Rodney at perspect1111@... wrote:

Hi folks:

And following on from the below ............. while it does seem

clear that many foods (that happen to contain substances known to be

antioxidants) do protect against cancer, it seems it is not the known

antioxidants in them that are responsible for the benefits.

So some other trace compound, presumably, is the source of the

benefit. So the destruction of the 'antioxidant' theory would not

have to be inconsistent with the known benefits of various foods,

especially vegetables.

**If** this is the case then are ORAC values irrelevant?

Rodney.

[Guest guest]

To go off on a slight tangent, this illustrates one of the reasons that the " food " must be eaten rather than a supplement. We just don't know enough about what accounts for the beneficial effect. It's not nice to try to fool mother nature........

on 8/10/2005 8:32 AM, Rodney at perspect1111@... wrote:

Hi folks:

And following on from the below ............. while it does seem

clear that many foods (that happen to contain substances known to be

antioxidants) do protect against cancer, it seems it is not the known

antioxidants in them that are responsible for the benefits.

So some other trace compound, presumably, is the source of the

benefit. So the destruction of the 'antioxidant' theory would not

have to be inconsistent with the known benefits of various foods,

especially vegetables.

**If** this is the case then are ORAC values irrelevant?

Rodney.

[Guest guest]

Health and nutrition's impact on same involve a very complex system

with myriad interactions. We are barely scraping the surface with

our current sense of cause and effect. Vitamins and nutrients appear

important if we are deficient or overloaded to a point of imbalance.

I find fault in general with the concept that aging or deterioration

is a wear or use issue. Unlike simple machines we are strengthened by

stress. Ironically we may even benefit from trace exposure to toxins

while our defense mechanisms are strong.

Much more to learn..

JR

[ ] Re: Antioxidant Benefits (????)

Hi folks:

And following on from the below ............. while it does seem

clear that many foods (that happen to contain substances known to be

antioxidants) do protect against cancer, it seems it is not the known

antioxidants in them that are responsible for the benefits.

So some other trace compound, presumably, is the source of the

benefit. So the destruction of the 'antioxidant' theory would not

have to be inconsistent with the known benefits of various foods,

especially vegetables.

**If** this is the case then are ORAC values irrelevant?

Rodney.

--- In , " Rodney " <perspect1111@y...>

wrote:

> Hi folks:

>

> Is anyone else getting the same impression I am from some of the

> stuff (studies) that have been posted here recently, that maybe

> the 'antioxidant story' is gonna be largely discredited in the not

> too far distant future?

>

> After all, a lengthening line of antioxidant supplements - vitamin

C;

> beta carotene; vitamin E - while each labelled at one time or

another

> the 'miracle supplement du jour' have all been sort-of discredited

> lately, at least in terms of any miraculous benefits.

>

> So does (might) this seem to suggest that the whole idea of

benefits

> from antioxidants in general may be flawed? Any thoughts?

>

> Rodney.

[Guest guest]

Health and nutrition's impact on same involve a very complex system

with myriad interactions. We are barely scraping the surface with

our current sense of cause and effect. Vitamins and nutrients appear

important if we are deficient or overloaded to a point of imbalance.

I find fault in general with the concept that aging or deterioration

is a wear or use issue. Unlike simple machines we are strengthened by

stress. Ironically we may even benefit from trace exposure to toxins

while our defense mechanisms are strong.

Much more to learn..

JR

[ ] Re: Antioxidant Benefits (????)

Hi folks:

And following on from the below ............. while it does seem

clear that many foods (that happen to contain substances known to be

antioxidants) do protect against cancer, it seems it is not the known

antioxidants in them that are responsible for the benefits.

So some other trace compound, presumably, is the source of the

benefit. So the destruction of the 'antioxidant' theory would not

have to be inconsistent with the known benefits of various foods,

especially vegetables.

**If** this is the case then are ORAC values irrelevant?

Rodney.

--- In , " Rodney " <perspect1111@y...>

wrote:

> Hi folks:

>

> Is anyone else getting the same impression I am from some of the

> stuff (studies) that have been posted here recently, that maybe

> the 'antioxidant story' is gonna be largely discredited in the not

> too far distant future?

>

> After all, a lengthening line of antioxidant supplements - vitamin

C;

> beta carotene; vitamin E - while each labelled at one time or

another

> the 'miracle supplement du jour' have all been sort-of discredited

> lately, at least in terms of any miraculous benefits.

>

> So does (might) this seem to suggest that the whole idea of

benefits

> from antioxidants in general may be flawed? Any thoughts?

>

> Rodney.

[Guest guest]

Except in the case of prunes. (ha)

[ ] Re: Antioxidant Benefits (????)

Hi folks:And following on from the below ............. while it does seem clear that many foods (that happen to contain substances known to be antioxidants) do protect against cancer, it seems it is not the known antioxidants in them that are responsible for the benefits. So some other trace compound, presumably, is the source of the benefit. So the destruction of the 'antioxidant' theory would not have to be inconsistent with the known benefits of various foods, especially vegetables.**If** this is the case then are ORAC values irrelevant? Rodney.

[Guest guest]

Except in the case of prunes. (ha)

[ ] Re: Antioxidant Benefits (????)

Hi folks:And following on from the below ............. while it does seem clear that many foods (that happen to contain substances known to be antioxidants) do protect against cancer, it seems it is not the known antioxidants in them that are responsible for the benefits. So some other trace compound, presumably, is the source of the benefit. So the destruction of the 'antioxidant' theory would not have to be inconsistent with the known benefits of various foods, especially vegetables.**If** this is the case then are ORAC values irrelevant? Rodney.

[Guest guest]

Well said ,

If only we knew how to learn it.

Regards.

RE: [ ] Re: Antioxidant Benefits (????)

Health and nutrition's impact on same involve a very complex systemwith myriad interactions. We are barely scraping the surface withour current sense of cause and effect. Vitamins and nutrients appearimportant if we are deficient or overloaded to a point of imbalance.I find fault in general with the concept that aging or deteriorationis a wear or use issue. Unlike simple machines we are strengthened bystress. Ironically we may even benefit from trace exposure to toxinswhile our defense mechanisms are strong.Much more to learn..JR

[Guest guest]

Well said ,

If only we knew how to learn it.

Regards.

RE: [ ] Re: Antioxidant Benefits (????)

Health and nutrition's impact on same involve a very complex systemwith myriad interactions. We are barely scraping the surface withour current sense of cause and effect. Vitamins and nutrients appearimportant if we are deficient or overloaded to a point of imbalance.I find fault in general with the concept that aging or deteriorationis a wear or use issue. Unlike simple machines we are strengthened bystress. Ironically we may even benefit from trace exposure to toxinswhile our defense mechanisms are strong.Much more to learn..JR