Re: Re: Factors Affecting Heart Heart Disease Rates

[Guest guest]

I found my old analysis of the primate chow used in CR tests:

Converted to 1800 kcals intake.

Sorry, the ref in crsociety got lost with their archive move.

FWIW:

Protein

Total lipid (fat)

Carbohydrate, by difference

108

43

248

total gms

serving

432.7

385.7

990.2

total kcals

ounces

24%

21%

55%

P/F/C

SUGAR,GRANULATED

6.38306878

0.00

0.00

180.78

methionine

0.03619537

0.00

0.00

0.00

OIL,OLIVE

1.26984127

0.00

36.00

0.00

WHEY,SWEET,optimum

4.91005291

108.02

7.37

9.82

CORNSTARCH

2.2010582

0.16

0.03

56.95

Regards

[ ] Re: Factors Affecting Heart Heart Disease Rates

Hi folks:So this point, below, again raises the issue as to whether studies done on the general population will have relevance to all populations in general. For the case below the issue is "does wine benefit people who are on a very healthy diet?" The japanese example suggests the answer may be "No".For us the issue is "how many of these studies we read, almost all of which are done on ad libbers, have any relevance for people on CR?". The answer may be "Not many". Which is why it is about time investigators started enlisting subjects (mice, hamsters .....) on 40% CR as their control groups.Rodney.

[Guest guest]

I found my old analysis of the primate chow used in CR tests:

Converted to 1800 kcals intake.

Sorry, the ref in crsociety got lost with their archive move.

FWIW:

Protein

Total lipid (fat)

Carbohydrate, by difference

108

43

248

total gms

serving

432.7

385.7

990.2

total kcals

ounces

24%

21%

55%

P/F/C

SUGAR,GRANULATED

6.38306878

0.00

0.00

180.78

methionine

0.03619537

0.00

0.00

0.00

OIL,OLIVE

1.26984127

0.00

36.00

0.00

WHEY,SWEET,optimum

4.91005291

108.02

7.37

9.82

CORNSTARCH

2.2010582

0.16

0.03

56.95

Regards

[ ] Re: Factors Affecting Heart Heart Disease Rates

Hi folks:So this point, below, again raises the issue as to whether studies done on the general population will have relevance to all populations in general. For the case below the issue is "does wine benefit people who are on a very healthy diet?" The japanese example suggests the answer may be "No".For us the issue is "how many of these studies we read, almost all of which are done on ad libbers, have any relevance for people on CR?". The answer may be "Not many". Which is why it is about time investigators started enlisting subjects (mice, hamsters .....) on 40% CR as their control groups.Rodney.

[Guest guest]

--- citpeks <citpeks@...> wrote:

> Japan which has the greatest consumption

> of tobacco, but the least consumption of milk has the lowest IHD rate.

> I suppose that in Japan they die of lung cancer before the heart

> disease gets them.

Hi All,

Heart diseases kills more than cancer. Only almost all Japanese smokings are

males.

Al Pater, PhD; email: old542000@...

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[Guest guest]

--- citpeks <citpeks@...> wrote:

> Japan which has the greatest consumption

> of tobacco, but the least consumption of milk has the lowest IHD rate.

> I suppose that in Japan they die of lung cancer before the heart

> disease gets them.

Hi All,

Heart diseases kills more than cancer. Only almost all Japanese smokings are

males.

Al Pater, PhD; email: old542000@...

____________________________________________________

Start your day with - make it your home page

http://www./r/hs