Re: Re: 10%CR (was Peanuts vs. other nuts) >>Tony

[Guest guest]

Ya may be right, but some studies have found them majority of the long

term weight loss winners have utilitized a low fat low calorie diet,

exercise, ate breakfast.

On 8/6/05, Filice <cubit@...> wrote:

> Hi Tony,

>

> I was about 320 pounds around 2001. However, the scale actually said

> 328, and I adjusted the number for clothing and such.

>

> Today, I am 158.8.

>

> My short term goal is 150, but I may adjust that goal downward, when I

> get there. I hope to reach 150 by Christmas.

>

> I'm: 5' 8 "

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> BMI: a bit above 24

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> I did it with a low carbohydrate high fat low calorie diet.

>

> I have a group too, but I haven't mentioned it here, because I

> felt it would be impolite. My Links section does not have the

> horsepower of the pub-med focussed material found in this CRON group,

> but my feeling is that the skew I have advocated is the true future of

> Optimal Nutrition.

>

> LowCarbHighFat/

>

> Thanks for asking.

>

> Dave

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> > [snip]

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> > > Dave

> > > 311/159/150 since 12/2003

> > > 320/159/??? since 2001

> > >

> > > [snip]

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[Guest guest]

Ya may be right, but some studies have found them majority of the long

term weight loss winners have utilitized a low fat low calorie diet,

exercise, ate breakfast.

On 8/6/05, Filice <cubit@...> wrote:

> Hi Tony,

>

> I was about 320 pounds around 2001. However, the scale actually said

> 328, and I adjusted the number for clothing and such.

>

> Today, I am 158.8.

>

> My short term goal is 150, but I may adjust that goal downward, when I

> get there. I hope to reach 150 by Christmas.

>

> I'm: 5' 8 "

>

> BMI: a bit above 24

>

> I did it with a low carbohydrate high fat low calorie diet.

>

> I have a group too, but I haven't mentioned it here, because I

> felt it would be impolite. My Links section does not have the

> horsepower of the pub-med focussed material found in this CRON group,

> but my feeling is that the skew I have advocated is the true future of

> Optimal Nutrition.

>

> LowCarbHighFat/

>

> Thanks for asking.

>

> Dave

>

>

> > [snip]

> > >

> > > Dave

> > > 311/159/150 since 12/2003

> > > 320/159/??? since 2001

> > >

> > > [snip]

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Congrats on your weight loss.

The often misquoted numbers you refer to, say that 95% of all diets fail (by

one year) and those that do succeed, lose/maintain about 5-10% of their intiial

weight. For the average american, this would be about 10-20#. In the National

Weight Control Registry, the subjects had to lose a minimum of 30 lbs and keep

it off for at least a year.

I am curious as how you define " optimal nutrition? " Do you have a dietary

analysis of the diet your follow or recommend, as part of optimal nutrition

would be acheiving adequate nutrient intake. If so can you post it. If not,

would you mind analazying it or posting your recommended diet, so we could

analyze it?

Fat, is the most calorie dense food and high fat foods/diets are not the most

nutrient dense macronutrient. Outside of the EFAs, which we need in very small

amounts , and some vit e and a few other phytochemicals, high fat foods/diets

have a very low nutrient/calorie ratio. what other nutrients are there in

high fat foods? I have found it virtually impossible to design a high fat diet

(over 20%) that is nutrient rich while not be excessive in calories. As trhe

percent fat goes up over 20%, (especially over 30%) the nutrient density of the

diet goes down.

In addition, many of your links and " support " have all been disporven here

including the often " mis " quoted studies of dr castelli and the framingham

study. I have had the chance to discuss them with Dr Castelli in person, and

one of our list members had a recent email conversation with him on the topics

and the " mis " quotes that circulate on the internet'. Another one of your

resources on the cholesterol myth, diet in his early 40s of a heart attack from

clogged arteries.

The studies that led to the low fat craze were not based on data on Trans fat

but populations studies around the world. And the low fat diet that most

americans think they follow is NOT a low fat diet, but a diet that contains

around 30-35% fat, and is very low in fiber, vitamins and nutrients and

essential fats, and high in fat, saturated fat, cholesterol, white flour, white

sugar, salt etc. To call this a low fat diet, is misleading, and to use it as

proof that low fat diets dont work or are dangerous, is misleading also.

Granted, during an extreme weight loss, biomarkers of health, and general health

usually improve regardless of how the weight is loss. However, once weight is

stabilized, things change. Have you see the data from the kriterovich study, on

what happend to those who were maintained on a high fat, weight stable diet

after 6 months and 2 years later?

You also might want to look into the longterm (well, not really that longterm as

they dont always live that long) health effects of children who are placed on a

high fat diet as treatment for their epilepsy.

Again, congrats on your weight loss. Howwever a " N " of one doesnt prove

anything and can often be very misleading.

Regards

Jeff

[Guest guest]

Congrats on your weight loss.

The often misquoted numbers you refer to, say that 95% of all diets fail (by

one year) and those that do succeed, lose/maintain about 5-10% of their intiial

weight. For the average american, this would be about 10-20#. In the National

Weight Control Registry, the subjects had to lose a minimum of 30 lbs and keep

it off for at least a year.

I am curious as how you define " optimal nutrition? " Do you have a dietary

analysis of the diet your follow or recommend, as part of optimal nutrition

would be acheiving adequate nutrient intake. If so can you post it. If not,

would you mind analazying it or posting your recommended diet, so we could

analyze it?

Fat, is the most calorie dense food and high fat foods/diets are not the most

nutrient dense macronutrient. Outside of the EFAs, which we need in very small

amounts , and some vit e and a few other phytochemicals, high fat foods/diets

have a very low nutrient/calorie ratio. what other nutrients are there in

high fat foods? I have found it virtually impossible to design a high fat diet

(over 20%) that is nutrient rich while not be excessive in calories. As trhe

percent fat goes up over 20%, (especially over 30%) the nutrient density of the

diet goes down.

In addition, many of your links and " support " have all been disporven here

including the often " mis " quoted studies of dr castelli and the framingham

study. I have had the chance to discuss them with Dr Castelli in person, and

one of our list members had a recent email conversation with him on the topics

and the " mis " quotes that circulate on the internet'. Another one of your

resources on the cholesterol myth, diet in his early 40s of a heart attack from

clogged arteries.

The studies that led to the low fat craze were not based on data on Trans fat

but populations studies around the world. And the low fat diet that most

americans think they follow is NOT a low fat diet, but a diet that contains

around 30-35% fat, and is very low in fiber, vitamins and nutrients and

essential fats, and high in fat, saturated fat, cholesterol, white flour, white

sugar, salt etc. To call this a low fat diet, is misleading, and to use it as

proof that low fat diets dont work or are dangerous, is misleading also.

Granted, during an extreme weight loss, biomarkers of health, and general health

usually improve regardless of how the weight is loss. However, once weight is

stabilized, things change. Have you see the data from the kriterovich study, on

what happend to those who were maintained on a high fat, weight stable diet

after 6 months and 2 years later?

You also might want to look into the longterm (well, not really that longterm as

they dont always live that long) health effects of children who are placed on a

high fat diet as treatment for their epilepsy.

Again, congrats on your weight loss. Howwever a " N " of one doesnt prove

anything and can often be very misleading.

Regards

Jeff

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

I wish to agree, but, unfortunately, most long-term diets used low fat and it is

the

% that matters.

--- Dowling <christopher.a.dowling@...> wrote:

> Ya may be right, but some studies have found the majority of the long

> term weight loss winners have utilitized a low fat low calorie diet,

> exercise, ate breakfast.

Al Pater, PhD; email: old542000@...

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[Guest guest]

Hi All,

I wish to agree, but, unfortunately, most long-term diets used low fat and it is

the

% that matters.

--- Dowling <christopher.a.dowling@...> wrote:

> Ya may be right, but some studies have found the majority of the long

> term weight loss winners have utilitized a low fat low calorie diet,

> exercise, ate breakfast.

Al Pater, PhD; email: old542000@...

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