Guest guest Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 It is never as simple as calories in versus calories out. That 500 pound person that is referenced in the previous posts has several differences. He/she will be able to gain weight on 700 calories a day. The nutrients that you ingest may be in your bloodstream for 12 hours before storage as fat, or you burn it. The heavyset person will start storing those nutrients in as little as 2 hours. Their distribution of brown versus white adipose tissue will be way out of proportion. Brown burns quickly and stores quickly, white does not. The average person's organs take their primary energy stores from brown fat, which is usually just a thin amongst your organs. Weight management to minimize white fat while maintaining the level of brown that your specific body requires is not just a straight science, but involves some intuition about yourself also, how you feel, what foods make you feel better, which ones don't, things of that nature. Then throw in enough exercise to make your organs and muscles function more efficiently, and you go beyond just science, but art, and your own body is your canvas. Don White Seguin, Tx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 It is never as simple as calories in versus calories out. That 500 pound person that is referenced in the previous posts has several differences. He/she will be able to gain weight on 700 calories a day. The nutrients that you ingest may be in your bloodstream for 12 hours before storage as fat, or you burn it. The heavyset person will start storing those nutrients in as little as 2 hours. Their distribution of brown versus white adipose tissue will be way out of proportion. Brown burns quickly and stores quickly, white does not. The average person's organs take their primary energy stores from brown fat, which is usually just a thin amongst your organs. Weight management to minimize white fat while maintaining the level of brown that your specific body requires is not just a straight science, but involves some intuition about yourself also, how you feel, what foods make you feel better, which ones don't, things of that nature. Then throw in enough exercise to make your organs and muscles function more efficiently, and you go beyond just science, but art, and your own body is your canvas. Don White Seguin, Tx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 A 500lb person gains weight on 700cals/day? I don't belive it! Do you have proof of this? > It is never as simple as calories in versus calories out. That 500 pound > person > that is referenced in the previous posts has several differences. He/she > will be > able to gain weight on 700 calories a day. The nutrients that you ingest may > be in your bloodstream for 12 hours before storage as fat, or you burn > it. The > heavyset person will start storing those nutrients in as little as 2 > hours. Their > distribution of brown versus white adipose tissue will be way out of > proportion. > Brown burns quickly and stores quickly, white does not. The average person's > organs take their primary energy stores from brown fat, which is usually > just a > thin amongst your organs. > > Weight management to minimize white fat while maintaining the level of brown > that your specific body requires is not just a straight science, but > involves some > intuition about yourself also, how you feel, what foods make you feel > better, > which ones don't, things of that nature. Then throw in enough exercise > to make > your organs and muscles function more efficiently, and you go beyond just > science, but art, and your own body is your canvas. > > Don White > Seguin, Tx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 A 500lb person gains weight on 700cals/day? I don't belive it! Do you have proof of this? > It is never as simple as calories in versus calories out. That 500 pound > person > that is referenced in the previous posts has several differences. He/she > will be > able to gain weight on 700 calories a day. The nutrients that you ingest may > be in your bloodstream for 12 hours before storage as fat, or you burn > it. The > heavyset person will start storing those nutrients in as little as 2 > hours. Their > distribution of brown versus white adipose tissue will be way out of > proportion. > Brown burns quickly and stores quickly, white does not. The average person's > organs take their primary energy stores from brown fat, which is usually > just a > thin amongst your organs. > > Weight management to minimize white fat while maintaining the level of brown > that your specific body requires is not just a straight science, but > involves some > intuition about yourself also, how you feel, what foods make you feel > better, > which ones don't, things of that nature. Then throw in enough exercise > to make > your organs and muscles function more efficiently, and you go beyond just > science, but art, and your own body is your canvas. > > Don White > Seguin, Tx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 I think that you must be specific about how the food makes you feel . Most people notice how it affects their mental state, i.e. a sugar rush, but not the less immediate, overall physical effects. Like increased sustained energy or gastro problems. On Aug 28, 2005, at 9:54 AM, Don White wrote: It is never as simple as calories in versus calories out. That 500 pound person that is referenced in the previous posts has several differences. He/she will be able to gain weight on 700 calories a day. The nutrients that you ingest may be in your bloodstream for 12 hours before storage as fat, or you burn it. The heavyset person will start storing those nutrients in as little as 2 hours. Their distribution of brown versus white adipose tissue will be way out of proportion. Brown burns quickly and stores quickly, white does not. The average person's organs take their primary energy stores from brown fat, which is usually just a thin amongst your organs. Weight management to minimize white fat while maintaining the level of brown that your specific body requires is not just a straight science, but involves some intuition about yourself also, how you feel, what foods make you feel better, which ones don't, things of that nature. Then throw in enough exercise to make your organs and muscles function more efficiently, and you go beyond just science, but art, and your own body is your canvas. Don White Seguin, Tx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 I think that you must be specific about how the food makes you feel . Most people notice how it affects their mental state, i.e. a sugar rush, but not the less immediate, overall physical effects. Like increased sustained energy or gastro problems. On Aug 28, 2005, at 9:54 AM, Don White wrote: It is never as simple as calories in versus calories out. That 500 pound person that is referenced in the previous posts has several differences. He/she will be able to gain weight on 700 calories a day. The nutrients that you ingest may be in your bloodstream for 12 hours before storage as fat, or you burn it. The heavyset person will start storing those nutrients in as little as 2 hours. Their distribution of brown versus white adipose tissue will be way out of proportion. Brown burns quickly and stores quickly, white does not. The average person's organs take their primary energy stores from brown fat, which is usually just a thin amongst your organs. Weight management to minimize white fat while maintaining the level of brown that your specific body requires is not just a straight science, but involves some intuition about yourself also, how you feel, what foods make you feel better, which ones don't, things of that nature. Then throw in enough exercise to make your organs and muscles function more efficiently, and you go beyond just science, but art, and your own body is your canvas. Don White Seguin, Tx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 Time to take it offline. We won't solve the problem here. Look into adipocytokines, and insulin signaling and tell us what you think. Regards. Re: [ ] Calories in and out It is never as simple as calories in versus calories out. That 500 pound personthat is referenced in the previous posts has several differences. He/she will beable to gain weight on 700 calories a day. The nutrients that you ingest maybe in your bloodstream for 12 hours before storage as fat, or you burn it. Theheavyset person will start storing those nutrients in as little as 2 hours. Theirdistribution of brown versus white adipose tissue will be way out of proportion.Brown burns quickly and stores quickly, white does not. The average person'sorgans take their primary energy stores from brown fat, which is usually just athin amongst your organs.Weight management to minimize white fat while maintaining the level of brownthat your specific body requires is not just a straight science, but involves someintuition about yourself also, how you feel, what foods make you feel better,which ones don't, things of that nature. Then throw in enough exercise to makeyour organs and muscles function more efficiently, and you go beyond justscience, but art, and your own body is your canvas.Don WhiteSeguin, Tx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 Time to take it offline. We won't solve the problem here. Look into adipocytokines, and insulin signaling and tell us what you think. Regards. Re: [ ] Calories in and out It is never as simple as calories in versus calories out. That 500 pound personthat is referenced in the previous posts has several differences. He/she will beable to gain weight on 700 calories a day. The nutrients that you ingest maybe in your bloodstream for 12 hours before storage as fat, or you burn it. Theheavyset person will start storing those nutrients in as little as 2 hours. Theirdistribution of brown versus white adipose tissue will be way out of proportion.Brown burns quickly and stores quickly, white does not. The average person'sorgans take their primary energy stores from brown fat, which is usually just athin amongst your organs.Weight management to minimize white fat while maintaining the level of brownthat your specific body requires is not just a straight science, but involves someintuition about yourself also, how you feel, what foods make you feel better,which ones don't, things of that nature. Then throw in enough exercise to makeyour organs and muscles function more efficiently, and you go beyond justscience, but art, and your own body is your canvas.Don WhiteSeguin, Tx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 Hi Don: I am having some difficulty with your view that " it is never as simple as calories in and calories out " . As you will be aware, calories are a form of chemical energy contained by food that can be released by various means, and for various purposes, within the body. Energy cannot be either created or destroyed. It can only be converted from one form of energy to another. Certainly, different individuals may have differing intestinal absorbance efficiency. So one person may absorb more of the calories that are swallowed than another person, while the other will excrete some of the calories unabsorbed. [That very likely is one reason why sick people are often slimmer. Their illness may result in some cases in, among other things, a malfunctioning digestive tract.] But that aside, a 500 pound person must expend a huge number of calories just getting up out of a chair and walking around. If a normal, mildly ambulatory, person burns 1800 calories a day, then a 'normal' 500 pound person must expend a lot more than that. Just as you or I would if we had to walk around with a 350 pound weight on our backs - ALL DAY. Calories that are swallowed must either be excreted or absorbed. Those that are absorbed must be put somewhere until they are burned. But if only 700 calories are being absorbed daily and the person is burning 2400 a day because of the enormous exertion required to carry around 500 pounds of weight (and to maintain 500 pounds of bones, muscles, organs etc.), then that energy must come from somewhere. And that somewhere will be fat reserves as long as there are fat reserves available. This energy then results in weight loss as water and carbon dioxide are excreted. (Respiration turns glucose, which came from fat reserves, with the help of oxygen, into CO2 and water, the former breathed out, while the latter is excreted either in urine, perspiration or moisture breathed out). Granted, a 500 pounder will have such excellent insulation they will need less energy to keep their body temperature adjusted. But we know from things like the -Benedict equation that energy expended by larger people is greater - and for much larger people much greater. So I do not believe your hypothesized intake of 700 calories a day could possibly result in a positive energy balance as you seem to be suggesting. Rodney. > It is never as simple as calories in versus calories out. That 500 pound > person > that is referenced in the previous posts has several differences. He/she > will be > able to gain weight on 700 calories a day. The nutrients that you ingest may > be in your bloodstream for 12 hours before storage as fat, or you burn > it. The > heavyset person will start storing those nutrients in as little as 2 > hours. Their > distribution of brown versus white adipose tissue will be way out of > proportion. > Brown burns quickly and stores quickly, white does not. The average person's > organs take their primary energy stores from brown fat, which is usually > just a > thin amongst your organs. > > Weight management to minimize white fat while maintaining the level of brown > that your specific body requires is not just a straight science, but > involves some > intuition about yourself also, how you feel, what foods make you feel > better, > which ones don't, things of that nature. Then throw in enough exercise > to make > your organs and muscles function more efficiently, and you go beyond just > science, but art, and your own body is your canvas. > > Don White > Seguin, Tx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 Hi Don: I am having some difficulty with your view that " it is never as simple as calories in and calories out " . As you will be aware, calories are a form of chemical energy contained by food that can be released by various means, and for various purposes, within the body. Energy cannot be either created or destroyed. It can only be converted from one form of energy to another. Certainly, different individuals may have differing intestinal absorbance efficiency. So one person may absorb more of the calories that are swallowed than another person, while the other will excrete some of the calories unabsorbed. [That very likely is one reason why sick people are often slimmer. Their illness may result in some cases in, among other things, a malfunctioning digestive tract.] But that aside, a 500 pound person must expend a huge number of calories just getting up out of a chair and walking around. If a normal, mildly ambulatory, person burns 1800 calories a day, then a 'normal' 500 pound person must expend a lot more than that. Just as you or I would if we had to walk around with a 350 pound weight on our backs - ALL DAY. Calories that are swallowed must either be excreted or absorbed. Those that are absorbed must be put somewhere until they are burned. But if only 700 calories are being absorbed daily and the person is burning 2400 a day because of the enormous exertion required to carry around 500 pounds of weight (and to maintain 500 pounds of bones, muscles, organs etc.), then that energy must come from somewhere. And that somewhere will be fat reserves as long as there are fat reserves available. This energy then results in weight loss as water and carbon dioxide are excreted. (Respiration turns glucose, which came from fat reserves, with the help of oxygen, into CO2 and water, the former breathed out, while the latter is excreted either in urine, perspiration or moisture breathed out). Granted, a 500 pounder will have such excellent insulation they will need less energy to keep their body temperature adjusted. But we know from things like the -Benedict equation that energy expended by larger people is greater - and for much larger people much greater. So I do not believe your hypothesized intake of 700 calories a day could possibly result in a positive energy balance as you seem to be suggesting. Rodney. > It is never as simple as calories in versus calories out. That 500 pound > person > that is referenced in the previous posts has several differences. He/she > will be > able to gain weight on 700 calories a day. The nutrients that you ingest may > be in your bloodstream for 12 hours before storage as fat, or you burn > it. The > heavyset person will start storing those nutrients in as little as 2 > hours. Their > distribution of brown versus white adipose tissue will be way out of > proportion. > Brown burns quickly and stores quickly, white does not. The average person's > organs take their primary energy stores from brown fat, which is usually > just a > thin amongst your organs. > > Weight management to minimize white fat while maintaining the level of brown > that your specific body requires is not just a straight science, but > involves some > intuition about yourself also, how you feel, what foods make you feel > better, > which ones don't, things of that nature. Then throw in enough exercise > to make > your organs and muscles function more efficiently, and you go beyond just > science, but art, and your own body is your canvas. > > Don White > Seguin, Tx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 I have personally experienced fairly significant disconnects from a simple calories " eaten " to weight gained or lost, but am sure there are valid explanations for all. It is easy to imagine while I was consuming massive amounts of food that my body had little need to effectively capture everything. However in the other extreme your inference that a 500# individual could have an energy surplus on as few as 700 Kcalories daily sounds suspect. I can imagine how over limited periods such an individual under an energy deficit could also experience increases in hydration levels that might mask true body mass reductions. That said I do endorse a less strict interpretation of calories in/out. While this is undeniable in reality (laws of physics and all that), there is notable variation in how effectively each of us processes the food we consume. There may be genetic influences as well as situational factors. Close analysis of how much we consume is fine for the folks with time on their hands but for most a bathroom scale and crude BF assessments will provide adequate feedback to assess energy balance. JR Re: [ ] Calories in and out It is never as simple as calories in versus calories out. That 500 pound person that is referenced in the previous posts has several differences. He/she will be able to gain weight on 700 calories a day. The nutrients that you ingest may be in your bloodstream for 12 hours before storage as fat, or you burn it. The heavyset person will start storing those nutrients in as little as 2 hours. Their distribution of brown versus white adipose tissue will be way out of proportion. Brown burns quickly and stores quickly, white does not. The average person's organs take their primary energy stores from brown fat, which is usually just a thin amongst your organs. Weight management to minimize white fat while maintaining the level of brown that your specific body requires is not just a straight science, but involves some intuition about yourself also, how you feel, what foods make you feel better, which ones don't, things of that nature. Then throw in enough exercise to make your organs and muscles function more efficiently, and you go beyond just science, but art, and your own body is your canvas. Don White Seguin, Tx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 I have personally experienced fairly significant disconnects from a simple calories " eaten " to weight gained or lost, but am sure there are valid explanations for all. It is easy to imagine while I was consuming massive amounts of food that my body had little need to effectively capture everything. However in the other extreme your inference that a 500# individual could have an energy surplus on as few as 700 Kcalories daily sounds suspect. I can imagine how over limited periods such an individual under an energy deficit could also experience increases in hydration levels that might mask true body mass reductions. That said I do endorse a less strict interpretation of calories in/out. While this is undeniable in reality (laws of physics and all that), there is notable variation in how effectively each of us processes the food we consume. There may be genetic influences as well as situational factors. Close analysis of how much we consume is fine for the folks with time on their hands but for most a bathroom scale and crude BF assessments will provide adequate feedback to assess energy balance. JR Re: [ ] Calories in and out It is never as simple as calories in versus calories out. That 500 pound person that is referenced in the previous posts has several differences. He/she will be able to gain weight on 700 calories a day. The nutrients that you ingest may be in your bloodstream for 12 hours before storage as fat, or you burn it. The heavyset person will start storing those nutrients in as little as 2 hours. Their distribution of brown versus white adipose tissue will be way out of proportion. Brown burns quickly and stores quickly, white does not. The average person's organs take their primary energy stores from brown fat, which is usually just a thin amongst your organs. Weight management to minimize white fat while maintaining the level of brown that your specific body requires is not just a straight science, but involves some intuition about yourself also, how you feel, what foods make you feel better, which ones don't, things of that nature. Then throw in enough exercise to make your organs and muscles function more efficiently, and you go beyond just science, but art, and your own body is your canvas. Don White Seguin, Tx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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