Re: the old why doesn't exercise get fat off ?

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That's the question, why can I see a "very obese by weight standards", 300# fit football player eat a bag of Mac's, when another 300#er is sloppy fat? It's not just exercise. It's not just calories intake, either. It's how the system handles the two and the medics haven't figured it out.

Regards.

[ ] Re: CR Article> > > If you happen to be moving forward when you fall your bench press> strength may be of help.> > Here's a question for you. Why carry around a 25 BMI? Adipose tissue> requires additional energy to sustain it. Energy that you must> consume. To minimize energy consumption (CR) isn't it wise and> reasonable to rid the body of non-functional calorie hungry tissue> first? Get the fat down to low level. It is non-functional tissue that> burns energy, why have it draped over your frame? As a cushion to> absorb the impact of potential falls at an advanced age that may never> come? Not enough reason for me. I prefer to be of very low BF,> slender, muscular, extremely lithe, flexible, fit. I like the model > "Rodney's dancers" portray! Would you consider they to be frail??> > > > --- In , "aequalsz" <aequalsz@y...>wrote:> > Hello,> > > > Anyone else notice that from http://www.actabp.pl/pdf/2_2000/281-> > 292s.pdf table 1, "Basic characteristics of subjects" that > > > > average BMI of A's (bedridden but able to sit on bed) = 20.86> > > > average BMI of B's (unable to go outside without help) = 26.19> > > > average BMI of C's (free living) = 27.5.> > > > O.K. I realize this is an extremely small sample size (especially > > for the C's :-) but there does seem to be a trend showing that the > > more massive individual centenarians seem to be able to get around > > better.> > > > Been thinking about physical prowess at older ages a bit since my > > father (90 in October) has now recently completed two impact falls > > on concrete, the last which put him in the hospital with four > > cracked ribs, a cracked hip, and a dislocated shoulder. Thank > > goodness for secondary insurance, hospitals, rehabilitationcenters, > > in-house physical therapy, and who knows what else.> > > > My plan (if I am so lucky to reach that age) is to utilize my upper > > body strength (way over 200 pounds bench pressing now) to catch > > myself if/when I should fall. (And not dislocate my shoulder doing > > so.) Also a few Karate katas or some such for maintaining good > > balance.> > > > Think modest CR is OK and ON is great, but seems to me the real > > world is just too tough a place to exist in a debilitated and frail > > state. Probably will stay around BMI = 25 for the foreseeable > > future.> > > > Just some rambling thoughts.> > > > Aequalsz

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That's the question, why can I see a "very obese by weight standards", 300# fit football player eat a bag of Mac's, when another 300#er is sloppy fat? It's not just exercise. It's not just calories intake, either. It's how the system handles the two and the medics haven't figured it out.

Regards.

[ ] Re: CR Article> > > If you happen to be moving forward when you fall your bench press> strength may be of help.> > Here's a question for you. Why carry around a 25 BMI? Adipose tissue> requires additional energy to sustain it. Energy that you must> consume. To minimize energy consumption (CR) isn't it wise and> reasonable to rid the body of non-functional calorie hungry tissue> first? Get the fat down to low level. It is non-functional tissue that> burns energy, why have it draped over your frame? As a cushion to> absorb the impact of potential falls at an advanced age that may never> come? Not enough reason for me. I prefer to be of very low BF,> slender, muscular, extremely lithe, flexible, fit. I like the model > "Rodney's dancers" portray! Would you consider they to be frail??> > > > --- In , "aequalsz" <aequalsz@y...>wrote:> > Hello,> > > > Anyone else notice that from http://www.actabp.pl/pdf/2_2000/281-> > 292s.pdf table 1, "Basic characteristics of subjects" that > > > > average BMI of A's (bedridden but able to sit on bed) = 20.86> > > > average BMI of B's (unable to go outside without help) = 26.19> > > > average BMI of C's (free living) = 27.5.> > > > O.K. I realize this is an extremely small sample size (especially > > for the C's :-) but there does seem to be a trend showing that the > > more massive individual centenarians seem to be able to get around > > better.> > > > Been thinking about physical prowess at older ages a bit since my > > father (90 in October) has now recently completed two impact falls > > on concrete, the last which put him in the hospital with four > > cracked ribs, a cracked hip, and a dislocated shoulder. Thank > > goodness for secondary insurance, hospitals, rehabilitationcenters, > > in-house physical therapy, and who knows what else.> > > > My plan (if I am so lucky to reach that age) is to utilize my upper > > body strength (way over 200 pounds bench pressing now) to catch > > myself if/when I should fall. (And not dislocate my shoulder doing > > so.) Also a few Karate katas or some such for maintaining good > > balance.> > > > Think modest CR is OK and ON is great, but seems to me the real > > world is just too tough a place to exist in a debilitated and frail > > state. Probably will stay around BMI = 25 for the foreseeable > > future.> > > > Just some rambling thoughts.> > > > Aequalsz

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I think it's pretty clear. A 300lb football player IS obese as is a

300lb sedentary. However, a football player has strengthened his

muscles and heart, and built up his endurance by very frequent and

arduous exercise. This obviously burns thousands of calories each day

but he also consumes enough daily to maintain his obesity. Most

football players (especially 300lb one) are not the picture of health

and fitness that many seem to think. You can be fat but still build up

enough endurance to play a game of football.

> > > Hello,

> > >

> > > Anyone else notice that from

http://www.actabp.pl/pdf/2_2000/281-

> > > 292s.pdf table 1, " Basic characteristics of subjects " that

> > >

> > > average BMI of A's (bedridden but able to sit on bed) = 20.86

> > >

> > > average BMI of B's (unable to go outside without help) = 26.19

> > >

> > > average BMI of C's (free living) = 27.5.

> > >

> > > O.K. I realize this is an extremely small sample size

(especially

> > > for the C's :-) but there does seem to be a trend showing

that the

> > > more massive individual centenarians seem to be able to get

around

> > > better.

> > >

> > > Been thinking about physical prowess at older ages a bit

since my

> > > father (90 in October) has now recently completed two impact

falls

> > > on concrete, the last which put him in the hospital with four

> > > cracked ribs, a cracked hip, and a dislocated shoulder. Thank

> > > goodness for secondary insurance, hospitals, rehabilitation

> centers,

> > > in-house physical therapy, and who knows what else.

> > >

> > > My plan (if I am so lucky to reach that age) is to utilize

my upper

> > > body strength (way over 200 pounds bench pressing now) to catch

> > > myself if/when I should fall. (And not dislocate my

shoulder doing

> > > so.) Also a few Karate katas or some such for maintaining good

> > > balance.

> > >

> > > Think modest CR is OK and ON is great, but seems to me the real

> > > world is just too tough a place to exist in a debilitated

and frail

> > > state. Probably will stay around BMI = 25 for the foreseeable

> > > future.

> > >

> > > Just some rambling thoughts.

> > >

> > > Aequalsz

[Guest guest]

I think it's pretty clear. A 300lb football player IS obese as is a

300lb sedentary. However, a football player has strengthened his

muscles and heart, and built up his endurance by very frequent and

arduous exercise. This obviously burns thousands of calories each day

but he also consumes enough daily to maintain his obesity. Most

football players (especially 300lb one) are not the picture of health

and fitness that many seem to think. You can be fat but still build up

enough endurance to play a game of football.

> > > Hello,

> > >

> > > Anyone else notice that from

http://www.actabp.pl/pdf/2_2000/281-

> > > 292s.pdf table 1, " Basic characteristics of subjects " that

> > >

> > > average BMI of A's (bedridden but able to sit on bed) = 20.86

> > >

> > > average BMI of B's (unable to go outside without help) = 26.19

> > >

> > > average BMI of C's (free living) = 27.5.

> > >

> > > O.K. I realize this is an extremely small sample size

(especially

> > > for the C's :-) but there does seem to be a trend showing

that the

> > > more massive individual centenarians seem to be able to get

around

> > > better.

> > >

> > > Been thinking about physical prowess at older ages a bit

since my

> > > father (90 in October) has now recently completed two impact

falls

> > > on concrete, the last which put him in the hospital with four

> > > cracked ribs, a cracked hip, and a dislocated shoulder. Thank

> > > goodness for secondary insurance, hospitals, rehabilitation

> centers,

> > > in-house physical therapy, and who knows what else.

> > >

> > > My plan (if I am so lucky to reach that age) is to utilize

my upper

> > > body strength (way over 200 pounds bench pressing now) to catch

> > > myself if/when I should fall. (And not dislocate my

shoulder doing

> > > so.) Also a few Karate katas or some such for maintaining good

> > > balance.

> > >

> > > Think modest CR is OK and ON is great, but seems to me the real

> > > world is just too tough a place to exist in a debilitated

and frail

> > > state. Probably will stay around BMI = 25 for the foreseeable

> > > future.

> > >

> > > Just some rambling thoughts.

> > >

> > > Aequalsz