Re: Which study do you want to believe? (was: time to go vegan?)

[Guest guest]

>>I have in front of me an article in " Vitality " (Bluecross/Blueshield magazine)

that touts the Mediterranean diet. The claim is that the diet led to a 65%

reduction in overall death rates in - recent studies. I find this astounding

number hard to believe. But who knows for sure? It all depends on which study

you want to believe.

It is, however, this was the study that I posted a while back that I asked

rodney to guess which diet was the MED diet and which was the other diet. The

MED diet was supposed to be compared to a " low fat " diet but as I showed, with

the actual numbers from the study, the MED diet had less total fat, less SFA,

less CHOL, and more Fiber, and EFAs. There was about a 65% reduction but it

was in comparison to a typical Poor American Diet, and not a healthy lower fat

higher fiber diet.

And, in another one of these similar studies, the authors specifically said,

that if the message americans get about the MED diet is to consume more olive

and or canola oil,its the wrong message. The MED diet is healthier cause it had

at least 2x the fresh veggies, fruits, whole grains and legumes, a little fish

and used meat and dairy as a condiment.

Jeff

[Guest guest]

>>I have in front of me an article in " Vitality " (Bluecross/Blueshield magazine)

that touts the Mediterranean diet. The claim is that the diet led to a 65%

reduction in overall death rates in - recent studies. I find this astounding

number hard to believe. But who knows for sure? It all depends on which study

you want to believe.

It is, however, this was the study that I posted a while back that I asked

rodney to guess which diet was the MED diet and which was the other diet. The

MED diet was supposed to be compared to a " low fat " diet but as I showed, with

the actual numbers from the study, the MED diet had less total fat, less SFA,

less CHOL, and more Fiber, and EFAs. There was about a 65% reduction but it

was in comparison to a typical Poor American Diet, and not a healthy lower fat

higher fiber diet.

And, in another one of these similar studies, the authors specifically said,

that if the message americans get about the MED diet is to consume more olive

and or canola oil,its the wrong message. The MED diet is healthier cause it had

at least 2x the fresh veggies, fruits, whole grains and legumes, a little fish

and used meat and dairy as a condiment.

Jeff

[Guest guest]

Was the criticism of the soy/dementia thing ever resolved?

The economic factors such as growing veggies, a labor intensive and seasonal process, are never considered. If we eat just plants, we better find a way to convert the inexhaustible supply of grass. That grass now supplies a lot of meat.

If we convert all Americans to fish we will eat the entire Euro production.

Regards.

[ ] Which study do you want to believe? (was: time to go vegan?)

Be moderate in your consumption of any one food. Moderation, moderation, moderation.Note that at one time or another many of the above were dissed in health circles and here as well - fish, whole grains, fats, and olive oil for example.on 8/16/2005 11:41 AM, cronzen at truepatriot@... wrote:

Is it time to go vegan? This is something I am constantlyconsidering. I currently consume yogurt, kefir (and theircheeses) and egg whites. I enjoy them all, and giving themup would be difficult. But, then you read about animalproteins, even those in milk, being so dangerous...On the other hand, there was the study recently postedhere that proposed lactobacilli make for improved nutrientabsorption in vegetarians.-

[Guest guest]

Was the criticism of the soy/dementia thing ever resolved?

The economic factors such as growing veggies, a labor intensive and seasonal process, are never considered. If we eat just plants, we better find a way to convert the inexhaustible supply of grass. That grass now supplies a lot of meat.

If we convert all Americans to fish we will eat the entire Euro production.

Regards.

[ ] Which study do you want to believe? (was: time to go vegan?)

Be moderate in your consumption of any one food. Moderation, moderation, moderation.Note that at one time or another many of the above were dissed in health circles and here as well - fish, whole grains, fats, and olive oil for example.on 8/16/2005 11:41 AM, cronzen at truepatriot@... wrote:

Is it time to go vegan? This is something I am constantlyconsidering. I currently consume yogurt, kefir (and theircheeses) and egg whites. I enjoy them all, and giving themup would be difficult. But, then you read about animalproteins, even those in milk, being so dangerous...On the other hand, there was the study recently postedhere that proposed lactobacilli make for improved nutrientabsorption in vegetarians.-

[Guest guest]

Hi Francesca:

I will bet you a beer that more than 90% of the reduced mortality in

that study resulted from the 'not smoking' and 'wine consumption'.

Wine alone caused a 49% reduction in mortality in the Danish

Epidemiology Science Center prospective study of 13,000 danes over a

twelve year period, that I have posted the reference to here more

than once.

So I very much doubt any of the Mediterranean diet aspects had much

effect at all. The olive oil, for a start, is likely mildly

atherogenic - as previously posted here from that study done in Crete.

Rodney.

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> Is it time to go vegan? This is something I am constantly

> considering. I currently consume yogurt, kefir (and their

> cheeses) and egg whites. I enjoy them all, and giving them

> up would be difficult. But, then you read about animal

> proteins, even those in milk, being so dangerous...

>

> On the other hand, there was the study recently posted

> here that proposed lactobacilli make for improved nutrient

> absorption in vegetarians.

>

>

> <sigh>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Francesca:

I will bet you a beer that more than 90% of the reduced mortality in

that study resulted from the 'not smoking' and 'wine consumption'.

Wine alone caused a 49% reduction in mortality in the Danish

Epidemiology Science Center prospective study of 13,000 danes over a

twelve year period, that I have posted the reference to here more

than once.

So I very much doubt any of the Mediterranean diet aspects had much

effect at all. The olive oil, for a start, is likely mildly

atherogenic - as previously posted here from that study done in Crete.

Rodney.

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> Is it time to go vegan? This is something I am constantly

> considering. I currently consume yogurt, kefir (and their

> cheeses) and egg whites. I enjoy them all, and giving them

> up would be difficult. But, then you read about animal

> proteins, even those in milk, being so dangerous...

>

> On the other hand, there was the study recently posted

> here that proposed lactobacilli make for improved nutrient

> absorption in vegetarians.

>

>

> <sigh>

> -

>

>

>

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>