Re: 10%CR (was Peanuts vs. other nuts) >> Jeff

[Guest guest]

Hi Jeff,

I use various supplements. The breakdown in RDA and DV as represented

by software called Fitday, indicates that my nutrition is in the

normal range. However, without supplementation, I would be lacking in

several areas, particularly potassium and folates.

I have not read the high fat Kwiterovich study. However, such studies

seem to regard 40% carbohydrates as low or normal. 5% to 10%

carbohydrates may be a very different context for such a study. (a new

ballgame)

Since modern food began including margarine as a cheap alternative to

butter around the 1920s, population studies of fat would have included

those trans fats.

I have read material from the use of Ketogenic diets for epileptic

children. I took it as a clue that such a diet is a viable alternative.

There are a number of books touting high fat diets. Each seems to

claim that a particular fat, such as saturated fat, or omega 6 oils,

is their key. These diets all seem to differ on this point of which

fat to choose. Also, common in these books, including Atkins, is a

notion that the sateity of a high fat diet is a license to ignore

calories. I never believed that idea, counted calories, and thus find

myself in a minority within a minority.

Dave

> Congrats on your weight loss.

>

> The often misquoted numbers you refer to, say that 95% of all

diets fail (by one year) and those that do succeed, lose/maintain

about 5-10% of their intiial weight. For the average american, this

would be about 10-20#. In the National Weight Control Registry, the

subjects had to lose a minimum of 30 lbs and keep it off for at least

a year.

>

> I am curious as how you define " optimal nutrition? " Do you have a

dietary analysis of the diet your follow or recommend, as part of

optimal nutrition would be acheiving adequate nutrient intake. If so

can you post it. If not, would you mind analazying it or posting your

recommended diet, so we could analyze it?

>

> Fat, is the most calorie dense food and high fat foods/diets are not

the most nutrient dense macronutrient. Outside of the EFAs, which we

need in very small amounts , and some vit e and a few other

phytochemicals, high fat foods/diets have a very low nutrient/calorie

ratio. what other nutrients are there in high fat foods? I have

found it virtually impossible to design a high fat diet (over 20%)

that is nutrient rich while not be excessive in calories. As trhe

percent fat goes up over 20%, (especially over 30%) the nutrient

density of the diet goes down.

>

> In addition, many of your links and " support " have all been

disporven here including the often " mis " quoted studies of dr castelli

and the framingham study. I have had the chance to discuss them with

Dr Castelli in person, and one of our list members had a recent email

conversation with him on the topics and the " mis " quotes that

circulate on the internet'. Another one of your resources on the

cholesterol myth, diet in his early 40s of a heart attack from clogged

arteries.

>

> The studies that led to the low fat craze were not based on data on

Trans fat but populations studies around the world. And the low fat

diet that most americans think they follow is NOT a low fat diet, but

a diet that contains around 30-35% fat, and is very low in fiber,

vitamins and nutrients and essential fats, and high in fat, saturated

fat, cholesterol, white flour, white sugar, salt etc. To call this a

low fat diet, is misleading, and to use it as proof that low fat diets

dont work or are dangerous, is misleading also.

>

> Granted, during an extreme weight loss, biomarkers of health, and

general health usually improve regardless of how the weight is loss.

However, once weight is stabilized, things change. Have you see the

data from the kriterovich study, on what happend to those who were

maintained on a high fat, weight stable diet after 6 months and 2

years later?

>

> You also might want to look into the longterm (well, not really that

longterm as they dont always live that long) health effects of

children who are placed on a high fat diet as treatment for their

epilepsy.

>

> Again, congrats on your weight loss. Howwever a " N " of one doesnt

prove anything and can often be very misleading.

>

> Regards

> Jeff

[Guest guest]

Hi Jeff,

I use various supplements. The breakdown in RDA and DV as represented

by software called Fitday, indicates that my nutrition is in the

normal range. However, without supplementation, I would be lacking in

several areas, particularly potassium and folates.

I have not read the high fat Kwiterovich study. However, such studies

seem to regard 40% carbohydrates as low or normal. 5% to 10%

carbohydrates may be a very different context for such a study. (a new

ballgame)

Since modern food began including margarine as a cheap alternative to

butter around the 1920s, population studies of fat would have included

those trans fats.

I have read material from the use of Ketogenic diets for epileptic

children. I took it as a clue that such a diet is a viable alternative.

There are a number of books touting high fat diets. Each seems to

claim that a particular fat, such as saturated fat, or omega 6 oils,

is their key. These diets all seem to differ on this point of which

fat to choose. Also, common in these books, including Atkins, is a

notion that the sateity of a high fat diet is a license to ignore

calories. I never believed that idea, counted calories, and thus find

myself in a minority within a minority.

Dave

> Congrats on your weight loss.

>

> The often misquoted numbers you refer to, say that 95% of all

diets fail (by one year) and those that do succeed, lose/maintain

about 5-10% of their intiial weight. For the average american, this

would be about 10-20#. In the National Weight Control Registry, the

subjects had to lose a minimum of 30 lbs and keep it off for at least

a year.

>

> I am curious as how you define " optimal nutrition? " Do you have a

dietary analysis of the diet your follow or recommend, as part of

optimal nutrition would be acheiving adequate nutrient intake. If so

can you post it. If not, would you mind analazying it or posting your

recommended diet, so we could analyze it?

>

> Fat, is the most calorie dense food and high fat foods/diets are not

the most nutrient dense macronutrient. Outside of the EFAs, which we

need in very small amounts , and some vit e and a few other

phytochemicals, high fat foods/diets have a very low nutrient/calorie

ratio. what other nutrients are there in high fat foods? I have

found it virtually impossible to design a high fat diet (over 20%)

that is nutrient rich while not be excessive in calories. As trhe

percent fat goes up over 20%, (especially over 30%) the nutrient

density of the diet goes down.

>

> In addition, many of your links and " support " have all been

disporven here including the often " mis " quoted studies of dr castelli

and the framingham study. I have had the chance to discuss them with

Dr Castelli in person, and one of our list members had a recent email

conversation with him on the topics and the " mis " quotes that

circulate on the internet'. Another one of your resources on the

cholesterol myth, diet in his early 40s of a heart attack from clogged

arteries.

>

> The studies that led to the low fat craze were not based on data on

Trans fat but populations studies around the world. And the low fat

diet that most americans think they follow is NOT a low fat diet, but

a diet that contains around 30-35% fat, and is very low in fiber,

vitamins and nutrients and essential fats, and high in fat, saturated

fat, cholesterol, white flour, white sugar, salt etc. To call this a

low fat diet, is misleading, and to use it as proof that low fat diets

dont work or are dangerous, is misleading also.

>

> Granted, during an extreme weight loss, biomarkers of health, and

general health usually improve regardless of how the weight is loss.

However, once weight is stabilized, things change. Have you see the

data from the kriterovich study, on what happend to those who were

maintained on a high fat, weight stable diet after 6 months and 2

years later?

>

> You also might want to look into the longterm (well, not really that

longterm as they dont always live that long) health effects of

children who are placed on a high fat diet as treatment for their

epilepsy.

>

> Again, congrats on your weight loss. Howwever a " N " of one doesnt

prove anything and can often be very misleading.

>

> Regards

> Jeff