Re: Re: Mediterranean diet vs. inflammatory disease

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

The first monounsaturated atherogen* search Meline hit had:

Ther Umsch. 2005 Sep;62(9):625-8.

Fatty acids and oil

Noseda G.

PMID: 16218499

.... atherogenesis ... the protective effect of monounsaturated fatty acids such

as

oleic acid, contained in olive oil and as a constituent of a Mediterranean diet

is

very well shown epidemiologically.

--- Rodney <perspect1111@...> wrote:

.... people on Crete who do die of CVD was that they

> consumed appreciably more monounsaturated fats than those who die of

> other causes.

>

> From which I draw the conclusion that monounsaturated fats ARE

> atherogenic

Al Pater, PhD; email: old542000@...

__________________________________

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[Guest guest]

Hi All,

The first monounsaturated atherogen* search Meline hit had:

Ther Umsch. 2005 Sep;62(9):625-8.

Fatty acids and oil

Noseda G.

PMID: 16218499

.... atherogenesis ... the protective effect of monounsaturated fatty acids such

as

oleic acid, contained in olive oil and as a constituent of a Mediterranean diet

is

very well shown epidemiologically.

--- Rodney <perspect1111@...> wrote:

.... people on Crete who do die of CVD was that they

> consumed appreciably more monounsaturated fats than those who die of

> other causes.

>

> From which I draw the conclusion that monounsaturated fats ARE

> atherogenic

Al Pater, PhD; email: old542000@...

__________________________________

Start your day with - Make it your home page!

http://www./r/hs

[Guest guest]

>>the protective effect of monounsaturated fatty acids such as oleic acid,

contained in olive oil and as a constituent of a Mediterranean diet is

very well shown epidemiologically.

http://atvb.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/15/12/2101

<http://atvb.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/15/12/2101>

Compared With Dietary Monounsaturated and Saturated Fat, Polyunsaturated Fat

Protects African Green Monkeys From Coronary Artery Atherosclerosis

Arteriosclerosis, Thrombosis, and Vascular Biology. 1995;15:2101-2110

" In sum, the monkeys fed monounsaturated fat developed equivalent amounts of

coronary artery atherosclerosis as those fed saturated fat, but monkeys fed

polyunsaturated fat developed less. The beneficial effects of the lower LDL and

higher HDL in the animals fed monounsaturated fat apparently were offset by the

atherogenic shifts in LDL particle composition. "

[Guest guest]

>>the protective effect of monounsaturated fatty acids such as oleic acid,

contained in olive oil and as a constituent of a Mediterranean diet is

very well shown epidemiologically.

http://atvb.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/15/12/2101

<http://atvb.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/15/12/2101>

Compared With Dietary Monounsaturated and Saturated Fat, Polyunsaturated Fat

Protects African Green Monkeys From Coronary Artery Atherosclerosis

Arteriosclerosis, Thrombosis, and Vascular Biology. 1995;15:2101-2110

" In sum, the monkeys fed monounsaturated fat developed equivalent amounts of

coronary artery atherosclerosis as those fed saturated fat, but monkeys fed

polyunsaturated fat developed less. The beneficial effects of the lower LDL and

higher HDL in the animals fed monounsaturated fat apparently were offset by the

atherogenic shifts in LDL particle composition. "

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

I was incorrect in the monounsaturated fats story. They are not best. Their

benefits may be more related to their associations with linolenic acid, which

has

been in various studies shown to be the best lipid to add to the conventional

diets.

Only long-chain fatty acids may be better, I am convinced and have sent

information

previously in support of this contention.

--- Rodney <perspect1111@...> wrote:

>

> My position is that the research I have seen indicates that

> monounsaturated oils are *less bad* than the fats and oils eaten as

> part of the standard american diet. So those in north America who

> eat more monounsaturated oils, have less bad CVD risks than the

> average north american. But that does not indicate they prevent

> heart disease, but rather are a less serious cause of it - as

> suggested by the Crete study.

>

> The data from the Nurses' Health Study suggest the same.

> Monounsaturated oils conferred *only marginally* better

> cardiovascular health than the fats and oils consumed by those on the

> SAD diet. Hardly a recommendation. The Nurses Study did find

> markedly better cardiovascular health for those eating the most

> polyunsaturated fats. Much more so than for the monounsaturated oils.

>

> I avoid canola oil because of the alpha-linolenic acid; but I do use

> olive oil periodically when a recipe absolutely requires it; I use

> butter too on rare occasions; safflower oil otherwise; and fish.

> Mind you, persuasive evidence to the contrary and I will shift my

> eating habits. So fire at will!

Al Pater, PhD; email: old542000@...

__________________________________

- PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005

http://mail.

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

I was incorrect in the monounsaturated fats story. They are not best. Their

benefits may be more related to their associations with linolenic acid, which

has

been in various studies shown to be the best lipid to add to the conventional

diets.

Only long-chain fatty acids may be better, I am convinced and have sent

information

previously in support of this contention.

--- Rodney <perspect1111@...> wrote:

>

> My position is that the research I have seen indicates that

> monounsaturated oils are *less bad* than the fats and oils eaten as

> part of the standard american diet. So those in north America who

> eat more monounsaturated oils, have less bad CVD risks than the

> average north american. But that does not indicate they prevent

> heart disease, but rather are a less serious cause of it - as

> suggested by the Crete study.

>

> The data from the Nurses' Health Study suggest the same.

> Monounsaturated oils conferred *only marginally* better

> cardiovascular health than the fats and oils consumed by those on the

> SAD diet. Hardly a recommendation. The Nurses Study did find

> markedly better cardiovascular health for those eating the most

> polyunsaturated fats. Much more so than for the monounsaturated oils.

>

> I avoid canola oil because of the alpha-linolenic acid; but I do use

> olive oil periodically when a recipe absolutely requires it; I use

> butter too on rare occasions; safflower oil otherwise; and fish.

> Mind you, persuasive evidence to the contrary and I will shift my

> eating habits. So fire at will!

Al Pater, PhD; email: old542000@...

__________________________________

- PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005

http://mail.