Guest guest Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 Hi a: That all makes a lot of sense to me. I would be tempted to raise the extra weight by one pound per month until the combined weight was the equivalent of the threshold of obesity, that is BMI = 30. I am not doing this myself yet, but I have been thinking about it for some time. Rodney. > > The post about ADF (eating alternate days) vs. CR every day was > interesting to me because the mouse subjects showed greater gains on > many biomarkers and also retained a bit more body fat, which I think > would be an advantage in osteoporosis. Is anyone here doing that type > of diet currently? > > My other plan for osteo and low body weight is to use a weight vest > with an amount of weights that would equal what a " normal " weight > person would use. So far I am using about 5 lbs. of weight and plan to > go up to ten pounds max. I am not trying to be in the Incredible Hulk! > I just want to imitate the body weight of a person at the mid-range > for my height group. I don't want to add high amounts of weight > because I am concerned about possible effects of axial loading on my > spine. I plan to wear it at least 2 hours a day for the rest of my > life except when circumstances don't permit. Any thoughts? > > I don't have osteo as far as I know but my mom, who does, told me > to " plan on having it " so I am making my plans. > > a > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 Hi a: That all makes a lot of sense to me. I would be tempted to raise the extra weight by one pound per month until the combined weight was the equivalent of the threshold of obesity, that is BMI = 30. I am not doing this myself yet, but I have been thinking about it for some time. Rodney. > > The post about ADF (eating alternate days) vs. CR every day was > interesting to me because the mouse subjects showed greater gains on > many biomarkers and also retained a bit more body fat, which I think > would be an advantage in osteoporosis. Is anyone here doing that type > of diet currently? > > My other plan for osteo and low body weight is to use a weight vest > with an amount of weights that would equal what a " normal " weight > person would use. So far I am using about 5 lbs. of weight and plan to > go up to ten pounds max. I am not trying to be in the Incredible Hulk! > I just want to imitate the body weight of a person at the mid-range > for my height group. I don't want to add high amounts of weight > because I am concerned about possible effects of axial loading on my > spine. I plan to wear it at least 2 hours a day for the rest of my > life except when circumstances don't permit. Any thoughts? > > I don't have osteo as far as I know but my mom, who does, told me > to " plan on having it " so I am making my plans. > > a > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 Hi All, Fasted-EOD rats weighed less than half as much as the control rats, had 64% less carcass fat and 51% less lean mass and had smaller livers, kidneys, hearts, tibias and tibialis anterior muscles. The addition of exercise to the fasting EOD regimen improved the growth of the animals. When the fasted-EOD rats were also exercised, they gained 29% more weight, consumed 11% more feed and had carcasses that contained 29% more lean mass and 18% less fat than the fasted-EOD rats. PMID: 3559754 May help, but suggest anti-CR. --- a Durbin-Westby <dwindex2001@...> wrote: > The post about ADF (eating alternate days) vs. CR every day was > interesting to me because the mouse subjects showed greater gains on > many biomarkers and also retained a bit more body fat, which I think > would be an advantage in osteoporosis. Is anyone here doing that type > of diet currently? > > My other plan for osteo and low body weight is to use a weight vest > with an amount of weights that would equal what a " normal " weight > person would use. So far I am using about 5 lbs. of weight and plan to > go up to ten pounds max. I am not trying to be in the Incredible Hulk! > I just want to imitate the body weight of a person at the mid-range > for my height group. I don't want to add high amounts of weight > because I am concerned about possible effects of axial loading on my > spine. I plan to wear it at least 2 hours a day for the rest of my > life except when circumstances don't permit. Any thoughts? > > I don't have osteo as far as I know but my mom, who does, told me > to " plan on having it " so I am making my plans. Al Pater, PhD; email: old542000@... __________________________________ - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 Hi All, Fasted-EOD rats weighed less than half as much as the control rats, had 64% less carcass fat and 51% less lean mass and had smaller livers, kidneys, hearts, tibias and tibialis anterior muscles. The addition of exercise to the fasting EOD regimen improved the growth of the animals. When the fasted-EOD rats were also exercised, they gained 29% more weight, consumed 11% more feed and had carcasses that contained 29% more lean mass and 18% less fat than the fasted-EOD rats. PMID: 3559754 May help, but suggest anti-CR. --- a Durbin-Westby <dwindex2001@...> wrote: > The post about ADF (eating alternate days) vs. CR every day was > interesting to me because the mouse subjects showed greater gains on > many biomarkers and also retained a bit more body fat, which I think > would be an advantage in osteoporosis. Is anyone here doing that type > of diet currently? > > My other plan for osteo and low body weight is to use a weight vest > with an amount of weights that would equal what a " normal " weight > person would use. So far I am using about 5 lbs. of weight and plan to > go up to ten pounds max. I am not trying to be in the Incredible Hulk! > I just want to imitate the body weight of a person at the mid-range > for my height group. I don't want to add high amounts of weight > because I am concerned about possible effects of axial loading on my > spine. I plan to wear it at least 2 hours a day for the rest of my > life except when circumstances don't permit. Any thoughts? > > I don't have osteo as far as I know but my mom, who does, told me > to " plan on having it " so I am making my plans. Al Pater, PhD; email: old542000@... __________________________________ - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 Hi Al: This study emphasizes the importance, it seems to me, of always specifying, right up front, the age of the subjects at which an experiment is started: weaning//before puberty//after puberty//after full growth achieved//age '60'//whatever. Clearly the results of restriction of any kind before full growth is achieved will be very different from those humans are ever likely to try, at least intentionally. Not many of us would advocate starting CRON or fasting or any other major dietary variation, until the individual is fully grown. Although modest restriction for overweight youngsters, enough to get them back to a (conventional) healthy weight, is an obviously desirable dieting ploy. In this particular study, referenced by Al (thanks Al!), the rats were put on various routines at four weeks of age, which sounds very young to me. Isn't that after 2% to 3% of a rat's lifespan? In other words, perhaps the equivalent of age two years in humans? But the same applies to all the studies we read here. The first question that needs to be asked, imo, is at what age were the animals first put on the experimental dietary program? And if the subjects weren't at least the equivalent of human age 20, then we should be cautious about drawing that we might think would be relevant to us. Rodney. > > > The post about ADF (eating alternate days) vs. CR every day was > > interesting to me because the mouse subjects showed greater gains on > > many biomarkers and also retained a bit more body fat, which I think > > would be an advantage in osteoporosis. Is anyone here doing that type > > of diet currently? > > > > My other plan for osteo and low body weight is to use a weight vest > > with an amount of weights that would equal what a " normal " weight > > person would use. So far I am using about 5 lbs. of weight and plan to > > go up to ten pounds max. I am not trying to be in the Incredible Hulk! > > I just want to imitate the body weight of a person at the mid- range > > for my height group. I don't want to add high amounts of weight > > because I am concerned about possible effects of axial loading on my > > spine. I plan to wear it at least 2 hours a day for the rest of my > > life except when circumstances don't permit. Any thoughts? > > > > I don't have osteo as far as I know but my mom, who does, told me > > to " plan on having it " so I am making my plans. > > Al Pater, PhD; email: old542000@y... > > > > > __________________________________ > - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 Hi Al: This study emphasizes the importance, it seems to me, of always specifying, right up front, the age of the subjects at which an experiment is started: weaning//before puberty//after puberty//after full growth achieved//age '60'//whatever. Clearly the results of restriction of any kind before full growth is achieved will be very different from those humans are ever likely to try, at least intentionally. Not many of us would advocate starting CRON or fasting or any other major dietary variation, until the individual is fully grown. Although modest restriction for overweight youngsters, enough to get them back to a (conventional) healthy weight, is an obviously desirable dieting ploy. In this particular study, referenced by Al (thanks Al!), the rats were put on various routines at four weeks of age, which sounds very young to me. Isn't that after 2% to 3% of a rat's lifespan? In other words, perhaps the equivalent of age two years in humans? But the same applies to all the studies we read here. The first question that needs to be asked, imo, is at what age were the animals first put on the experimental dietary program? And if the subjects weren't at least the equivalent of human age 20, then we should be cautious about drawing that we might think would be relevant to us. Rodney. > > > The post about ADF (eating alternate days) vs. CR every day was > > interesting to me because the mouse subjects showed greater gains on > > many biomarkers and also retained a bit more body fat, which I think > > would be an advantage in osteoporosis. Is anyone here doing that type > > of diet currently? > > > > My other plan for osteo and low body weight is to use a weight vest > > with an amount of weights that would equal what a " normal " weight > > person would use. So far I am using about 5 lbs. of weight and plan to > > go up to ten pounds max. I am not trying to be in the Incredible Hulk! > > I just want to imitate the body weight of a person at the mid- range > > for my height group. I don't want to add high amounts of weight > > because I am concerned about possible effects of axial loading on my > > spine. I plan to wear it at least 2 hours a day for the rest of my > > life except when circumstances don't permit. Any thoughts? > > > > I don't have osteo as far as I know but my mom, who does, told me > > to " plan on having it " so I am making my plans. > > Al Pater, PhD; email: old542000@y... > > > > > __________________________________ > - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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