Re: It's the FIBER ...cabbage

[Guest guest]

Let me tell you an experiment I did.

I wanted to make a cabbage/turnip green based soup.

I started by blending a pound of turnip greens in a quart of water.

Put that in the pot and started heating it. Then I blended, chunk by chunk a pound of cabbage in another quart of water. Put that in the pot. In a few minutes the cabbage had absorbed all the water in the pot - a mush.

So I added another quart of water, figuring it would boil down like you see turnip greens wilt when boiled. The cabbage did not.

It absorbed the 3rd quart and I still had mush. I couldn't possibly eat 3 quarts of mush, but you can visualize you could chew away on a pound of greens and a pound of cole slaw. I rec you don't do that.

There's a big diff in greens salad greens and cabbage. Broccoli, BTW, AIN'T cabbage.

After adding a 4th quart and boiling (puffing) for another few hours the mush did not wilt. I threw it out. And I theorize that's what happens in the gut - in digestion the cabbage sucks up all available water, doesn't get digested fully, and ends up slowing the gut to maybe 2 days rather than 1 day.

So I'm concerned there's a diff in "fibers", more than the obvious diff between wood, eg, and romaine lettuce. The molecules have to be different. I think there are some I cannot eat and should not eat, and although I usually eat a serving of fiber one to get the 33+ gms, I do not eat any more cabbage, raw or cooked.

That said, I do eat the other greens, cauliflower, broccoli, and salad greens.

AND, I don't think because I eat that fiber, that it has anything to do with a rat tested on rat chow.

Regards.

[ ] It's the FIBER ...> > > Hmm.. it's the fiber?> > Can J Physiol Pharmacol. 2003 Nov;81(11):1042-8. > Dietary restriction and fibre supplementation: oxidative stress> and metabolic shifting for cardiac health.> > Diniz YS, Cicogna AC, Padovani CR, Silva MD, Faine LA, Galhardi> CM, Rodrigues HG, Novelli EL.> > Faculty of Medicine, UNESP, Botucatu, Sao o, Brazil.> > Dietary modification ought to be the first line of strategy in> prevention of the development of cardiac disease. The purpose of this> study was to investigate whether dietary restriction,> dietary-fibre-enriched diet, and their interactions might affect> antioxidant capacity and oxidative stress in cardiac tissue. Male> Wistar rats (180-200 g; n=10) were divided into four groups: control> ad libitum diet ©, 50% restricted diet (DR), fed with fibre-enriched> diet (F), and 50% restricted fibre-enriched diet (DR-F). After 35 days> of the treatments, F, DR, and DR-F rats showed low cholesterol,> LDL-cholesterol, and triacylglycerol, and high HDL-cholesterol in> serum. The DR, DR-F, and F groups had decreased myocardial> lipoperoxide and lipid hydroperoxide. The DR-F and F treatments> increased superoxide dismutase and glutatione peroxidase (GSH-Px). The> DR treatment increased GSH-Px and catalase activities. Dietary fibre> beneficial effects were related to metabolic alterations. The F and> DR-F groups showed high cardiac glycogen and low lactate> dehydrogenase/citrate synthase ratios, indicating diminished anaerobic> and elevated aerobic myocardial metabolism in these animals. There was> no synergistic effect between dietary restriction and dietary fibre> addition, since no differences were observed in markers of oxidative> stress in the F and DR-F groups. Dietary fibre supplementation, rather> than energy intake and dietary restriction, appears to be the main> process retarding oxidative stress in cardiac tissue.> > PMID: 14719039

[Guest guest]

Let me tell you an experiment I did.

I wanted to make a cabbage/turnip green based soup.

I started by blending a pound of turnip greens in a quart of water.

Put that in the pot and started heating it. Then I blended, chunk by chunk a pound of cabbage in another quart of water. Put that in the pot. In a few minutes the cabbage had absorbed all the water in the pot - a mush.

So I added another quart of water, figuring it would boil down like you see turnip greens wilt when boiled. The cabbage did not.

It absorbed the 3rd quart and I still had mush. I couldn't possibly eat 3 quarts of mush, but you can visualize you could chew away on a pound of greens and a pound of cole slaw. I rec you don't do that.

There's a big diff in greens salad greens and cabbage. Broccoli, BTW, AIN'T cabbage.

After adding a 4th quart and boiling (puffing) for another few hours the mush did not wilt. I threw it out. And I theorize that's what happens in the gut - in digestion the cabbage sucks up all available water, doesn't get digested fully, and ends up slowing the gut to maybe 2 days rather than 1 day.

So I'm concerned there's a diff in "fibers", more than the obvious diff between wood, eg, and romaine lettuce. The molecules have to be different. I think there are some I cannot eat and should not eat, and although I usually eat a serving of fiber one to get the 33+ gms, I do not eat any more cabbage, raw or cooked.

That said, I do eat the other greens, cauliflower, broccoli, and salad greens.

AND, I don't think because I eat that fiber, that it has anything to do with a rat tested on rat chow.

Regards.

[ ] It's the FIBER ...> > > Hmm.. it's the fiber?> > Can J Physiol Pharmacol. 2003 Nov;81(11):1042-8. > Dietary restriction and fibre supplementation: oxidative stress> and metabolic shifting for cardiac health.> > Diniz YS, Cicogna AC, Padovani CR, Silva MD, Faine LA, Galhardi> CM, Rodrigues HG, Novelli EL.> > Faculty of Medicine, UNESP, Botucatu, Sao o, Brazil.> > Dietary modification ought to be the first line of strategy in> prevention of the development of cardiac disease. The purpose of this> study was to investigate whether dietary restriction,> dietary-fibre-enriched diet, and their interactions might affect> antioxidant capacity and oxidative stress in cardiac tissue. Male> Wistar rats (180-200 g; n=10) were divided into four groups: control> ad libitum diet ©, 50% restricted diet (DR), fed with fibre-enriched> diet (F), and 50% restricted fibre-enriched diet (DR-F). After 35 days> of the treatments, F, DR, and DR-F rats showed low cholesterol,> LDL-cholesterol, and triacylglycerol, and high HDL-cholesterol in> serum. The DR, DR-F, and F groups had decreased myocardial> lipoperoxide and lipid hydroperoxide. The DR-F and F treatments> increased superoxide dismutase and glutatione peroxidase (GSH-Px). The> DR treatment increased GSH-Px and catalase activities. Dietary fibre> beneficial effects were related to metabolic alterations. The F and> DR-F groups showed high cardiac glycogen and low lactate> dehydrogenase/citrate synthase ratios, indicating diminished anaerobic> and elevated aerobic myocardial metabolism in these animals. There was> no synergistic effect between dietary restriction and dietary fibre> addition, since no differences were observed in markers of oxidative> stress in the F and DR-F groups. Dietary fibre supplementation, rather> than energy intake and dietary restriction, appears to be the main> process retarding oxidative stress in cardiac tissue.> > PMID: 14719039

[Guest guest]

Thanks very much, Tony,

What I'm getting at is some fibers can promote motility like bran, eg, and then there's those sold as laxatives. The grams in those is very small, like 2 to 3.

And they work quite well for some people. But the suggestion that we eat more fiber, or any fiber, for all those good things, should be followed by which fiber. Cabbage fiber, soluble or insoluble is an example of the difference, and I assume since much will pass unscathed that it's cellulose. And perhaps there are differences even in the cabbages.

And it's not just the fiber, it's the sodium, potassium and sugar intake that keeps the stool fluidized. It's a lot more complex than just adding fiber, or gums to the diet.

That's from my experience re constipation. I think I got more concerned when I started eating less calories. Less in less out, I guess.

But then there's articles which use the word fiber in a general sense which tells us nothing. I doubt they feed those rats cabbage, rather grains.

Why don't they conclude we eat more rat chow, eg., for heart health?

And it doesn't make any diff how much water the fibers absorb, when the gut extracts the water - another indeterminate. Fiber one seems to be more adept at holding the water.

Sorry, just a scientist's silly logic.

Regards.

[ ] It's the FIBER ...> > > > > > Hmm.. it's the fiber?> > > > Can J Physiol Pharmacol. 2003 Nov;81(11):1042-8. > > Dietary restriction and fibre supplementation: oxidativestress> > and metabolic shifting for cardiac health.> > > > Diniz YS, Cicogna AC, Padovani CR, Silva MD, Faine LA,Galhardi> > CM, Rodrigues HG, Novelli EL.> > > > Faculty of Medicine, UNESP, Botucatu, Sao o, Brazil.> > > > Dietary modification ought to be the first line ofstrategy in> > prevention of the development of cardiac disease. Thepurpose of this> > study was to investigate whether dietary restriction,> > dietary-fibre-enriched diet, and their interactions might affect> > antioxidant capacity and oxidative stress in cardiac tissue.Male> > Wistar rats (180-200 g; n=10) were divided into four groups:control> > ad libitum diet ©, 50% restricted diet (DR), fed withfibre-enriched> > diet (F), and 50% restricted fibre-enriched diet (DR-F).After 35 days> > of the treatments, F, DR, and DR-F rats showed low cholesterol,> > LDL-cholesterol, and triacylglycerol, and highHDL-cholesterol in> > serum. The DR, DR-F, and F groups had decreased myocardial> > lipoperoxide and lipid hydroperoxide. The DR-F and F treatments> > increased superoxide dismutase and glutatione peroxidase(GSH-Px). The> > DR treatment increased GSH-Px and catalase activities.Dietary fibre> > beneficial effects were related to metabolic alterations.The F and> > DR-F groups showed high cardiac glycogen and low lactate> > dehydrogenase/citrate synthase ratios, indicating diminishedanaerobic> > and elevated aerobic myocardial metabolism in these animals.There was> > no synergistic effect between dietary restriction anddietary fibre> > addition, since no differences were observed in markers ofoxidative> > stress in the F and DR-F groups. Dietary fibresupplementation, rather> > than energy intake and dietary restriction, appears to bethe main> > process retarding oxidative stress in cardiac tissue.> > > > PMID: 14719039

[Guest guest]

Thanks very much, Tony,

What I'm getting at is some fibers can promote motility like bran, eg, and then there's those sold as laxatives. The grams in those is very small, like 2 to 3.

And they work quite well for some people. But the suggestion that we eat more fiber, or any fiber, for all those good things, should be followed by which fiber. Cabbage fiber, soluble or insoluble is an example of the difference, and I assume since much will pass unscathed that it's cellulose. And perhaps there are differences even in the cabbages.

And it's not just the fiber, it's the sodium, potassium and sugar intake that keeps the stool fluidized. It's a lot more complex than just adding fiber, or gums to the diet.

That's from my experience re constipation. I think I got more concerned when I started eating less calories. Less in less out, I guess.

But then there's articles which use the word fiber in a general sense which tells us nothing. I doubt they feed those rats cabbage, rather grains.

Why don't they conclude we eat more rat chow, eg., for heart health?

And it doesn't make any diff how much water the fibers absorb, when the gut extracts the water - another indeterminate. Fiber one seems to be more adept at holding the water.

Sorry, just a scientist's silly logic.

Regards.

[ ] It's the FIBER ...> > > > > > Hmm.. it's the fiber?> > > > Can J Physiol Pharmacol. 2003 Nov;81(11):1042-8. > > Dietary restriction and fibre supplementation: oxidativestress> > and metabolic shifting for cardiac health.> > > > Diniz YS, Cicogna AC, Padovani CR, Silva MD, Faine LA,Galhardi> > CM, Rodrigues HG, Novelli EL.> > > > Faculty of Medicine, UNESP, Botucatu, Sao o, Brazil.> > > > Dietary modification ought to be the first line ofstrategy in> > prevention of the development of cardiac disease. Thepurpose of this> > study was to investigate whether dietary restriction,> > dietary-fibre-enriched diet, and their interactions might affect> > antioxidant capacity and oxidative stress in cardiac tissue.Male> > Wistar rats (180-200 g; n=10) were divided into four groups:control> > ad libitum diet ©, 50% restricted diet (DR), fed withfibre-enriched> > diet (F), and 50% restricted fibre-enriched diet (DR-F).After 35 days> > of the treatments, F, DR, and DR-F rats showed low cholesterol,> > LDL-cholesterol, and triacylglycerol, and highHDL-cholesterol in> > serum. The DR, DR-F, and F groups had decreased myocardial> > lipoperoxide and lipid hydroperoxide. The DR-F and F treatments> > increased superoxide dismutase and glutatione peroxidase(GSH-Px). The> > DR treatment increased GSH-Px and catalase activities.Dietary fibre> > beneficial effects were related to metabolic alterations.The F and> > DR-F groups showed high cardiac glycogen and low lactate> > dehydrogenase/citrate synthase ratios, indicating diminishedanaerobic> > and elevated aerobic myocardial metabolism in these animals.There was> > no synergistic effect between dietary restriction anddietary fibre> > addition, since no differences were observed in markers ofoxidative> > stress in the F and DR-F groups. Dietary fibresupplementation, rather> > than energy intake and dietary restriction, appears to bethe main> > process retarding oxidative stress in cardiac tissue.> > > > PMID: 14719039

[Guest guest]

Reread BT120YD about soluble and insoluble fiber.

> > >

> > > So translate that into humans.

> > > Should I get a Jack LaLanne juicer, juice the carrots and

> throw away

> > the juice? - which fiber - how much daily?

> > > I don't think there's a concensus on whether to eat more whole

> > grains versus say Citrucel.

> > >

> > > I just don't know what to do with this info.

> > >

> > > Then there's soluble fiber and not so soluble fiber -

which kind

> > makes the motil?

> > > I have from somewhere a ref of 33 grams of fiber in my

> spreadsheet,

> > and I usually go over that, but you eat a lot more than

that, right?

> > Are you sure it's enough?

> > >

> > > All I know for sure is what my gut tells me and it said:

" no more

> > cabbage " very clearly. I don't think it talks to the brain

or heart.

> > >

> > > Beans appear to be the best fiber source, though it's higher

> > calories, cupwise I can't eat as much broccoli.

> > > So looking at the things that have high fiber per calorie,

I find

> > fiber one, and Kellogg's all bran (overlooking crude corn bran

> which I

> > can't buy). Clearly superior as a source of fiber, because

I'm not

> > about to eat a pound of any green to get 10 lousy grams of fiber

> > instead of 1 oz of cereal. And I " need " 33.

> > > IOW, I have to use a combination of fiber one, beans and maybe

> a cup

> > of greens to get the fiber.

> > > Fiber is not an easy issue, IMO.

> > >

> > > Regards.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > [ ] It's the FIBER ...

> > >

> > >

> > > Hmm.. it's the fiber?

> > >

> > > Can J Physiol Pharmacol. 2003 Nov;81(11):1042-8.

> > > Dietary restriction and fibre supplementation: oxidative

> stress

> > > and metabolic shifting for cardiac health.

> > >

> > > Diniz YS, Cicogna AC, Padovani CR, Silva MD, Faine LA,

> Galhardi

> > > CM, Rodrigues HG, Novelli EL.

> > >

> > > Faculty of Medicine, UNESP, Botucatu, Sao o, Brazil.

> > >

> > > Dietary modification ought to be the first line of

> strategy in

> > > prevention of the development of cardiac disease. The

> purpose of this

> > > study was to investigate whether dietary restriction,

> > > dietary-fibre-enriched diet, and their interactions

might affect

> > > antioxidant capacity and oxidative stress in cardiac tissue.

> Male

> > > Wistar rats (180-200 g; n=10) were divided into four groups:

> control

> > > ad libitum diet ©, 50% restricted diet (DR), fed with

> fibre-enriched

> > > diet (F), and 50% restricted fibre-enriched diet (DR-F).

> After 35 days

> > > of the treatments, F, DR, and DR-F rats showed low

cholesterol,

> > > LDL-cholesterol, and triacylglycerol, and high

> HDL-cholesterol in

> > > serum. The DR, DR-F, and F groups had decreased myocardial

> > > lipoperoxide and lipid hydroperoxide. The DR-F and F

treatments

> > > increased superoxide dismutase and glutatione peroxidase

> (GSH-Px). The

> > > DR treatment increased GSH-Px and catalase activities.

> Dietary fibre

> > > beneficial effects were related to metabolic alterations.

> The F and

> > > DR-F groups showed high cardiac glycogen and low lactate

> > > dehydrogenase/citrate synthase ratios, indicating diminished

> anaerobic

> > > and elevated aerobic myocardial metabolism in these animals.

> There was

> > > no synergistic effect between dietary restriction and

> dietary fibre

> > > addition, since no differences were observed in markers of

> oxidative

> > > stress in the F and DR-F groups. Dietary fibre

> supplementation, rather

> > > than energy intake and dietary restriction, appears to be

> the main

> > > process retarding oxidative stress in cardiac tissue.

> > >

> > > PMID: 14719039

>

[Guest guest]

Reread BT120YD about soluble and insoluble fiber.

> > >

> > > So translate that into humans.

> > > Should I get a Jack LaLanne juicer, juice the carrots and

> throw away

> > the juice? - which fiber - how much daily?

> > > I don't think there's a concensus on whether to eat more whole

> > grains versus say Citrucel.

> > >

> > > I just don't know what to do with this info.

> > >

> > > Then there's soluble fiber and not so soluble fiber -

which kind

> > makes the motil?

> > > I have from somewhere a ref of 33 grams of fiber in my

> spreadsheet,

> > and I usually go over that, but you eat a lot more than

that, right?

> > Are you sure it's enough?

> > >

> > > All I know for sure is what my gut tells me and it said:

" no more

> > cabbage " very clearly. I don't think it talks to the brain

or heart.

> > >

> > > Beans appear to be the best fiber source, though it's higher

> > calories, cupwise I can't eat as much broccoli.

> > > So looking at the things that have high fiber per calorie,

I find

> > fiber one, and Kellogg's all bran (overlooking crude corn bran

> which I

> > can't buy). Clearly superior as a source of fiber, because

I'm not

> > about to eat a pound of any green to get 10 lousy grams of fiber

> > instead of 1 oz of cereal. And I " need " 33.

> > > IOW, I have to use a combination of fiber one, beans and maybe

> a cup

> > of greens to get the fiber.

> > > Fiber is not an easy issue, IMO.

> > >

> > > Regards.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > [ ] It's the FIBER ...

> > >

> > >

> > > Hmm.. it's the fiber?

> > >

> > > Can J Physiol Pharmacol. 2003 Nov;81(11):1042-8.

> > > Dietary restriction and fibre supplementation: oxidative

> stress

> > > and metabolic shifting for cardiac health.

> > >

> > > Diniz YS, Cicogna AC, Padovani CR, Silva MD, Faine LA,

> Galhardi

> > > CM, Rodrigues HG, Novelli EL.

> > >

> > > Faculty of Medicine, UNESP, Botucatu, Sao o, Brazil.

> > >

> > > Dietary modification ought to be the first line of

> strategy in

> > > prevention of the development of cardiac disease. The

> purpose of this

> > > study was to investigate whether dietary restriction,

> > > dietary-fibre-enriched diet, and their interactions

might affect

> > > antioxidant capacity and oxidative stress in cardiac tissue.

> Male

> > > Wistar rats (180-200 g; n=10) were divided into four groups:

> control

> > > ad libitum diet ©, 50% restricted diet (DR), fed with

> fibre-enriched

> > > diet (F), and 50% restricted fibre-enriched diet (DR-F).

> After 35 days

> > > of the treatments, F, DR, and DR-F rats showed low

cholesterol,

> > > LDL-cholesterol, and triacylglycerol, and high

> HDL-cholesterol in

> > > serum. The DR, DR-F, and F groups had decreased myocardial

> > > lipoperoxide and lipid hydroperoxide. The DR-F and F

treatments

> > > increased superoxide dismutase and glutatione peroxidase

> (GSH-Px). The

> > > DR treatment increased GSH-Px and catalase activities.

> Dietary fibre

> > > beneficial effects were related to metabolic alterations.

> The F and

> > > DR-F groups showed high cardiac glycogen and low lactate

> > > dehydrogenase/citrate synthase ratios, indicating diminished

> anaerobic

> > > and elevated aerobic myocardial metabolism in these animals.

> There was

> > > no synergistic effect between dietary restriction and

> dietary fibre

> > > addition, since no differences were observed in markers of

> oxidative

> > > stress in the F and DR-F groups. Dietary fibre

> supplementation, rather

> > > than energy intake and dietary restriction, appears to be

> the main

> > > process retarding oxidative stress in cardiac tissue.

> > >

> > > PMID: 14719039

>

[Guest guest]

Other than "wheat bran....normalizes bowel function", what are you trying to tell me?

And I think it's not just the fiber that does that.

Regards.

[ ] It's the FIBER ...> > > > > > > > > Hmm.. it's the fiber?> > > > > > Can J Physiol Pharmacol. 2003 Nov;81(11):1042-8. > > > Dietary restriction and fibre supplementation: oxidative> stress> > > and metabolic shifting for cardiac health.> > > > > > Diniz YS, Cicogna AC, Padovani CR, Silva MD, Faine LA,> Galhardi> > > CM, Rodrigues HG, Novelli EL.> > > > > > Faculty of Medicine, UNESP, Botucatu, Sao o, Brazil.> > > > > > Dietary modification ought to be the first line of> strategy in> > > prevention of the development of cardiac disease. The> purpose of this> > > study was to investigate whether dietary restriction,> > > dietary-fibre-enriched diet, and their interactionsmight affect> > > antioxidant capacity and oxidative stress in cardiac tissue.> Male> > > Wistar rats (180-200 g; n=10) were divided into four groups:> control> > > ad libitum diet ©, 50% restricted diet (DR), fed with> fibre-enriched> > > diet (F), and 50% restricted fibre-enriched diet (DR-F).> After 35 days> > > of the treatments, F, DR, and DR-F rats showed lowcholesterol,> > > LDL-cholesterol, and triacylglycerol, and high> HDL-cholesterol in> > > serum. The DR, DR-F, and F groups had decreased myocardial> > > lipoperoxide and lipid hydroperoxide. The DR-F and Ftreatments> > > increased superoxide dismutase and glutatione peroxidase> (GSH-Px). The> > > DR treatment increased GSH-Px and catalase activities.> Dietary fibre> > > beneficial effects were related to metabolic alterations.> The F and> > > DR-F groups showed high cardiac glycogen and low lactate> > > dehydrogenase/citrate synthase ratios, indicating diminished> anaerobic> > > and elevated aerobic myocardial metabolism in these animals.> There was> > > no synergistic effect between dietary restriction and> dietary fibre> > > addition, since no differences were observed in markers of> oxidative> > > stress in the F and DR-F groups. Dietary fibre> supplementation, rather> > > than energy intake and dietary restriction, appears to be> the main> > > process retarding oxidative stress in cardiac tissue.> > > > > > PMID: 14719039>

[Guest guest]

Other than "wheat bran....normalizes bowel function", what are you trying to tell me?

And I think it's not just the fiber that does that.

Regards.

[ ] It's the FIBER ...> > > > > > > > > Hmm.. it's the fiber?> > > > > > Can J Physiol Pharmacol. 2003 Nov;81(11):1042-8. > > > Dietary restriction and fibre supplementation: oxidative> stress> > > and metabolic shifting for cardiac health.> > > > > > Diniz YS, Cicogna AC, Padovani CR, Silva MD, Faine LA,> Galhardi> > > CM, Rodrigues HG, Novelli EL.> > > > > > Faculty of Medicine, UNESP, Botucatu, Sao o, Brazil.> > > > > > Dietary modification ought to be the first line of> strategy in> > > prevention of the development of cardiac disease. The> purpose of this> > > study was to investigate whether dietary restriction,> > > dietary-fibre-enriched diet, and their interactionsmight affect> > > antioxidant capacity and oxidative stress in cardiac tissue.> Male> > > Wistar rats (180-200 g; n=10) were divided into four groups:> control> > > ad libitum diet ©, 50% restricted diet (DR), fed with> fibre-enriched> > > diet (F), and 50% restricted fibre-enriched diet (DR-F).> After 35 days> > > of the treatments, F, DR, and DR-F rats showed lowcholesterol,> > > LDL-cholesterol, and triacylglycerol, and high> HDL-cholesterol in> > > serum. The DR, DR-F, and F groups had decreased myocardial> > > lipoperoxide and lipid hydroperoxide. The DR-F and Ftreatments> > > increased superoxide dismutase and glutatione peroxidase> (GSH-Px). The> > > DR treatment increased GSH-Px and catalase activities.> Dietary fibre> > > beneficial effects were related to metabolic alterations.> The F and> > > DR-F groups showed high cardiac glycogen and low lactate> > > dehydrogenase/citrate synthase ratios, indicating diminished> anaerobic> > > and elevated aerobic myocardial metabolism in these animals.> There was> > > no synergistic effect between dietary restriction and> dietary fibre> > > addition, since no differences were observed in markers of> oxidative> > > stress in the F and DR-F groups. Dietary fibre> supplementation, rather> > > than energy intake and dietary restriction, appears to be> the main> > > process retarding oxidative stress in cardiac tissue.> > > > > > PMID: 14719039>