Re: High-carb, vegan diet with no calorie control improves physiology

[Guest guest]

interesting that the study only used women, and older women at that.

Positive Dennis

T wrote:

I strongly concur with these

findings, based upon a sound proteomic

understanding , but

I know that people that are addicted to the "essential amino

acid-mediated neurotransmitter rush" that attends omnivorous ways will

scoff at thse findings, and run off to re-read literature from the

nineties that corroborates their dated and probably flat-out wrong

perspective on carbohydrate metabolism.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

New study shows high-carb, vegan diet

causes major weight loss

Diet effective with no limits on portion size

WASHINGTON -- A low-fat, plant-based diet is more effective at helping

women lose weight and improve insulin sensitivity than an omnivorous

diet, shows a new study appearing in the September issue of The

American Journal of Medicine. The study, involving 59 overweight,

postmenopausal women, was conducted by Neal D. Barnard, M.D., president

of the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM), together

with colleagues at town University Hospital and Washington

University. Half of the study participants followed a vegan diet; the

other half followed a control diet based on National Cholesterol

Education Program guidelines.

"The study participants following the vegan diet enjoyed unlimited

servings of fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and other healthful foods

that enabled them to lose weight without feeling hungry," says Dr.

Barnard, the lead author. "As they began to experience the positive

effects, weight loss and improved insulin sensitivity, the women in the

intervention group became even more motivated to follow the plant-based

eating plan."

Scientific studies show that obesity and overweight are far less

prevalent in populations following a plant-based diet. In a recent

study of more than 55,000 Swedish women, Tufts University researcher P.

Kirstin Newby and her colleagues found that 40 percent of meat-eaters

were overweight or obese while only 25 to 29 percent of vegetarians and

vegans were. Worldwide, vegetarian populations experience lower rates

of heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure, and other

life-threatening diseases. A new study appearing in September's Journal

of Urology shows that a low-fat, primarily vegan diet may slow the

progression of prostate cancer.

The simplicity of a vegan diet appeals to people who are busy with

work and family, and many familiar recipes are easy to adapt. At least

four studies published in peer-reviewed journals show that patients

give the low-fat vegetarian diet a high rating in terms of

acceptability, and that the transition only takes about three weeks or

less.

T. pct35768@...

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

interesting that the study only used women, and older women at that.

Positive Dennis

T wrote:

I strongly concur with these

findings, based upon a sound proteomic

understanding , but

I know that people that are addicted to the "essential amino

acid-mediated neurotransmitter rush" that attends omnivorous ways will

scoff at thse findings, and run off to re-read literature from the

nineties that corroborates their dated and probably flat-out wrong

perspective on carbohydrate metabolism.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

New study shows high-carb, vegan diet

causes major weight loss

Diet effective with no limits on portion size

WASHINGTON -- A low-fat, plant-based diet is more effective at helping

women lose weight and improve insulin sensitivity than an omnivorous

diet, shows a new study appearing in the September issue of The

American Journal of Medicine. The study, involving 59 overweight,

postmenopausal women, was conducted by Neal D. Barnard, M.D., president

of the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM), together

with colleagues at town University Hospital and Washington

University. Half of the study participants followed a vegan diet; the

other half followed a control diet based on National Cholesterol

Education Program guidelines.

"The study participants following the vegan diet enjoyed unlimited

servings of fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and other healthful foods

that enabled them to lose weight without feeling hungry," says Dr.

Barnard, the lead author. "As they began to experience the positive

effects, weight loss and improved insulin sensitivity, the women in the

intervention group became even more motivated to follow the plant-based

eating plan."

Scientific studies show that obesity and overweight are far less

prevalent in populations following a plant-based diet. In a recent

study of more than 55,000 Swedish women, Tufts University researcher P.

Kirstin Newby and her colleagues found that 40 percent of meat-eaters

were overweight or obese while only 25 to 29 percent of vegetarians and

vegans were. Worldwide, vegetarian populations experience lower rates

of heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure, and other

life-threatening diseases. A new study appearing in September's Journal

of Urology shows that a low-fat, primarily vegan diet may slow the

progression of prostate cancer.

The simplicity of a vegan diet appeals to people who are busy with

work and family, and many familiar recipes are easy to adapt. At least

four studies published in peer-reviewed journals show that patients

give the low-fat vegetarian diet a high rating in terms of

acceptability, and that the transition only takes about three weeks or

less.

T. pct35768@...

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

You concur? What a surprise!

http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/23

This is the kind of "scientific" research that inspires us to toss aside our own stupid undertakings and go forth and similarly discover the truth . . . not.

Maco

[ ] High-carb, vegan diet with no calorie control improves physiology

I strongly concur with these findings, based upon a sound proteomic understanding , but I know that people that are addicted to the "essential amino acid-mediated neurotransmitter rush" that attends omnivorous ways will scoff at thse findings, and run off to re-read literature from the nineties that corroborates their dated and probably flat-out wrong perspective on carbohydrate metabolism.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

New study shows high-carb, vegan diet causes major weight loss

Diet effective with no limits on portion sizeWASHINGTON -- A low-fat, plant-based diet is more effective at helping women lose weight and improve insulin sensitivity than an omnivorous diet, shows a new study appearing in the September issue of The American Journal of Medicine. The study, involving 59 overweight, postmenopausal women, was conducted by Neal D. Barnard, M.D., president of the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM), together with colleagues at town University Hospital and Washington University. Half of the study participants followed a vegan diet; the other half followed a control diet based on National Cholesterol Education Program guidelines. "The study participants following the vegan diet enjoyed unlimited servings of fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and other healthful foods that enabled them to lose weight without feeling hungry," says Dr. Barnard, the lead author. "As they began to experience the positive effects, weight loss and improved insulin sensitivity, the women in the intervention group became even more motivated to follow the plant-based eating plan." Scientific studies show that obesity and overweight are far less prevalent in populations following a plant-based diet. In a recent study of more than 55,000 Swedish women, Tufts University researcher P. Kirstin Newby and her colleagues found that 40 percent of meat-eaters were overweight or obese while only 25 to 29 percent of vegetarians and vegans were. Worldwide, vegetarian populations experience lower rates of heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure, and other life-threatening diseases. A new study appearing in September's Journal of Urology shows that a low-fat, primarily vegan diet may slow the progression of prostate cancer. The simplicity of a vegan diet appeals to people who are busy with work and family, and many familiar recipes are easy to adapt. At least four studies published in peer-reviewed journals show that patients give the low-fat vegetarian diet a high rating in terms of acceptability, and that the transition only takes about three weeks or less.

T. pct35768@...

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

You concur? What a surprise!

http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/23

This is the kind of "scientific" research that inspires us to toss aside our own stupid undertakings and go forth and similarly discover the truth . . . not.

Maco

[ ] High-carb, vegan diet with no calorie control improves physiology

I strongly concur with these findings, based upon a sound proteomic understanding , but I know that people that are addicted to the "essential amino acid-mediated neurotransmitter rush" that attends omnivorous ways will scoff at thse findings, and run off to re-read literature from the nineties that corroborates their dated and probably flat-out wrong perspective on carbohydrate metabolism.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

New study shows high-carb, vegan diet causes major weight loss

Diet effective with no limits on portion sizeWASHINGTON -- A low-fat, plant-based diet is more effective at helping women lose weight and improve insulin sensitivity than an omnivorous diet, shows a new study appearing in the September issue of The American Journal of Medicine. The study, involving 59 overweight, postmenopausal women, was conducted by Neal D. Barnard, M.D., president of the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM), together with colleagues at town University Hospital and Washington University. Half of the study participants followed a vegan diet; the other half followed a control diet based on National Cholesterol Education Program guidelines. "The study participants following the vegan diet enjoyed unlimited servings of fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and other healthful foods that enabled them to lose weight without feeling hungry," says Dr. Barnard, the lead author. "As they began to experience the positive effects, weight loss and improved insulin sensitivity, the women in the intervention group became even more motivated to follow the plant-based eating plan." Scientific studies show that obesity and overweight are far less prevalent in populations following a plant-based diet. In a recent study of more than 55,000 Swedish women, Tufts University researcher P. Kirstin Newby and her colleagues found that 40 percent of meat-eaters were overweight or obese while only 25 to 29 percent of vegetarians and vegans were. Worldwide, vegetarian populations experience lower rates of heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure, and other life-threatening diseases. A new study appearing in September's Journal of Urology shows that a low-fat, primarily vegan diet may slow the progression of prostate cancer. The simplicity of a vegan diet appeals to people who are busy with work and family, and many familiar recipes are easy to adapt. At least four studies published in peer-reviewed journals show that patients give the low-fat vegetarian diet a high rating in terms of acceptability, and that the transition only takes about three weeks or less.

T. pct35768@...

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I doubt the objectivity of studies conducted by persons who have an ax

to grind. In this particular case the study " was conducted by Neal D.

Barnard, M.D., president of the Physicians Committee for Responsible

Medicine (PCRM) " . PCRM is an organization that advocates vaganism.

It is against eating any animal products, including eggs and milk, and

it opposes animal testing. See their web site (http://www.pcrm.org/)

This is the organization that funded the suit against the Atkins diet.

PCRM main focus is to discredit any nutritional benefits from animal

products.

Even if what they say in this paper is true, I would have to see it

corroborated from other sources before believing it. PCRM is so

militant in their approach, that I would not put it past them to

manipulate the data to promote their agenda.

IMO

Tony

====

--- In , T <pct35768@y...>

wrote:

> I strongly concur with these findings, based upon a sound proteomic

understanding , but I know that people that are addicted to the

" essential amino acid-mediated neurotransmitter rush " that attends

omnivorous ways will scoff at thse findings, and run off to re-read

literature from the nineties that corroborates their dated and

probably flat-out wrong perspective on carbohydrate metabolism.

> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

>

> New study shows high-carb, vegan diet causes major weight loss

> Diet effective with no limits on portion sizeWASHINGTON -- A

low-fat, plant-based diet is more effective at helping women lose

weight and improve insulin sensitivity than an omnivorous diet, shows

a new study appearing in the September issue of The American Journal

of Medicine. The study, involving 59 overweight, postmenopausal women,

was conducted by Neal D. Barnard, M.D., president of the Physicians

Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM), together with colleagues at

town University Hospital and Washington University. Half

of the study participants followed a vegan diet; the other half

followed a control diet based on National Cholesterol Education

Program guidelines.

> " The study participants following the vegan diet enjoyed unlimited

servings of fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and other healthful

foods that enabled them to lose weight without feeling hungry, " says

Dr. Barnard, the lead author. " As they began to experience the

positive effects, weight loss and improved insulin sensitivity, the

women in the intervention group became even more motivated to follow

the plant-based eating plan. "

> Scientific studies show that obesity and overweight are far less

prevalent in populations following a plant-based diet. In a recent

study of more than 55,000 Swedish women, Tufts University researcher

P. Kirstin Newby and her colleagues found that 40 percent of

meat-eaters were overweight or obese while only 25 to 29 percent of

vegetarians and vegans were. Worldwide, vegetarian populations

experience lower rates of heart disease, diabetes, high blood

pressure, and other life-threatening diseases. A new study appearing

in September's Journal of Urology shows that a low-fat, primarily

vegan diet may slow the progression of prostate cancer.

> The simplicity of a vegan diet appeals to people who are busy with

work and family, and many familiar recipes are easy to adapt. At least

four studies published in peer-reviewed journals show that patients

give the low-fat vegetarian diet a high rating in terms of

acceptability, and that the transition only takes about three weeks or

less.

>

> T. pct35768@y...

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

I doubt the objectivity of studies conducted by persons who have an ax

to grind. In this particular case the study " was conducted by Neal D.

Barnard, M.D., president of the Physicians Committee for Responsible

Medicine (PCRM) " . PCRM is an organization that advocates vaganism.

It is against eating any animal products, including eggs and milk, and

it opposes animal testing. See their web site (http://www.pcrm.org/)

This is the organization that funded the suit against the Atkins diet.

PCRM main focus is to discredit any nutritional benefits from animal

products.

Even if what they say in this paper is true, I would have to see it

corroborated from other sources before believing it. PCRM is so

militant in their approach, that I would not put it past them to

manipulate the data to promote their agenda.

IMO

Tony

====

--- In , T <pct35768@y...>

wrote:

> I strongly concur with these findings, based upon a sound proteomic

understanding , but I know that people that are addicted to the

" essential amino acid-mediated neurotransmitter rush " that attends

omnivorous ways will scoff at thse findings, and run off to re-read

literature from the nineties that corroborates their dated and

probably flat-out wrong perspective on carbohydrate metabolism.

> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

>

> New study shows high-carb, vegan diet causes major weight loss

> Diet effective with no limits on portion sizeWASHINGTON -- A

low-fat, plant-based diet is more effective at helping women lose

weight and improve insulin sensitivity than an omnivorous diet, shows

a new study appearing in the September issue of The American Journal

of Medicine. The study, involving 59 overweight, postmenopausal women,

was conducted by Neal D. Barnard, M.D., president of the Physicians

Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM), together with colleagues at

town University Hospital and Washington University. Half

of the study participants followed a vegan diet; the other half

followed a control diet based on National Cholesterol Education

Program guidelines.

> " The study participants following the vegan diet enjoyed unlimited

servings of fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and other healthful

foods that enabled them to lose weight without feeling hungry, " says

Dr. Barnard, the lead author. " As they began to experience the

positive effects, weight loss and improved insulin sensitivity, the

women in the intervention group became even more motivated to follow

the plant-based eating plan. "

> Scientific studies show that obesity and overweight are far less

prevalent in populations following a plant-based diet. In a recent

study of more than 55,000 Swedish women, Tufts University researcher

P. Kirstin Newby and her colleagues found that 40 percent of

meat-eaters were overweight or obese while only 25 to 29 percent of

vegetarians and vegans were. Worldwide, vegetarian populations

experience lower rates of heart disease, diabetes, high blood

pressure, and other life-threatening diseases. A new study appearing

in September's Journal of Urology shows that a low-fat, primarily

vegan diet may slow the progression of prostate cancer.

> The simplicity of a vegan diet appeals to people who are busy with

work and family, and many familiar recipes are easy to adapt. At least

four studies published in peer-reviewed journals show that patients

give the low-fat vegetarian diet a high rating in terms of

acceptability, and that the transition only takes about three weeks or

less.

>

> T. pct35768@y...

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Not to disagree, the one thing I noticed right off is "the simplicity of a vegan diet".

There is nothing simple about adapting to a vegan diet, whether you buy and process your own veggies, try to buy restaurant food, or find suitable substitutes for meat, whatever.

Those people who have lived a lot of their life doing vegan, maybe raised in a vegan family know how to do it, perhaps. Switching after adulthood is another matter.

Just my take.

Regards.

[ ] High-carb, vegan diet with no calorie control improves physiology

I strongly concur with these findings, based upon a sound proteomic understanding , but I know that people that are addicted to the "essential amino acid-mediated neurotransmitter rush" that attends omnivorous ways will scoff at thse findings, and run off to re-read literature from the nineties that corroborates their dated and probably flat-out wrong perspective on carbohydrate metabolism.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

New study shows high-carb, vegan diet causes major weight loss

Diet effective with no limits on portion sizeWASHINGTON -- A low-fat, plant-based diet is more effective at helping women lose weight and improve insulin sensitivity than an omnivorous diet, shows a new study appearing in the September issue of The American Journal of Medicine. The study, involving 59 overweight, postmenopausal women, was conducted by Neal D. Barnard, M.D., president of the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM), together with colleagues at town University Hospital and Washington University. Half of the study participants followed a vegan diet; the other half followed a control diet based on National Cholesterol Education Program guidelines. "The study participants following the vegan diet enjoyed unlimited servings of fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and other healthful foods that enabled them to lose weight without feeling hungry," says Dr. Barnard, the lead author. "As they began to experience the positive effects, weight loss and improved insulin sensitivity, the women in the intervention group became even more motivated to follow the plant-based eating plan." Scientific studies show that obesity and overweight are far less prevalent in populations following a plant-based diet. In a recent study of more than 55,000 Swedish women, Tufts University researcher P. Kirstin Newby and her colleagues found that 40 percent of meat-eaters were overweight or obese while only 25 to 29 percent of vegetarians and vegans were. Worldwide, vegetarian populations experience lower rates of heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure, and other life-threatening diseases. A new study appearing in September's Journal of Urology shows that a low-fat, primarily vegan diet may slow the progression of prostate cancer. The simplicity of a vegan diet appeals to people who are busy with work and family, and many familiar recipes are easy to adapt. At least four studies published in peer-reviewed journals show that patients give the low-fat vegetarian diet a high rating in terms of acceptability, and that the transition only takes about three weeks or less.

T. pct35768@...

[Guest guest]

Not to disagree, the one thing I noticed right off is "the simplicity of a vegan diet".

There is nothing simple about adapting to a vegan diet, whether you buy and process your own veggies, try to buy restaurant food, or find suitable substitutes for meat, whatever.

Those people who have lived a lot of their life doing vegan, maybe raised in a vegan family know how to do it, perhaps. Switching after adulthood is another matter.

Just my take.

Regards.

[ ] High-carb, vegan diet with no calorie control improves physiology

I strongly concur with these findings, based upon a sound proteomic understanding , but I know that people that are addicted to the "essential amino acid-mediated neurotransmitter rush" that attends omnivorous ways will scoff at thse findings, and run off to re-read literature from the nineties that corroborates their dated and probably flat-out wrong perspective on carbohydrate metabolism.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

New study shows high-carb, vegan diet causes major weight loss

Diet effective with no limits on portion sizeWASHINGTON -- A low-fat, plant-based diet is more effective at helping women lose weight and improve insulin sensitivity than an omnivorous diet, shows a new study appearing in the September issue of The American Journal of Medicine. The study, involving 59 overweight, postmenopausal women, was conducted by Neal D. Barnard, M.D., president of the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM), together with colleagues at town University Hospital and Washington University. Half of the study participants followed a vegan diet; the other half followed a control diet based on National Cholesterol Education Program guidelines. "The study participants following the vegan diet enjoyed unlimited servings of fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and other healthful foods that enabled them to lose weight without feeling hungry," says Dr. Barnard, the lead author. "As they began to experience the positive effects, weight loss and improved insulin sensitivity, the women in the intervention group became even more motivated to follow the plant-based eating plan." Scientific studies show that obesity and overweight are far less prevalent in populations following a plant-based diet. In a recent study of more than 55,000 Swedish women, Tufts University researcher P. Kirstin Newby and her colleagues found that 40 percent of meat-eaters were overweight or obese while only 25 to 29 percent of vegetarians and vegans were. Worldwide, vegetarian populations experience lower rates of heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure, and other life-threatening diseases. A new study appearing in September's Journal of Urology shows that a low-fat, primarily vegan diet may slow the progression of prostate cancer. The simplicity of a vegan diet appeals to people who are busy with work and family, and many familiar recipes are easy to adapt. At least four studies published in peer-reviewed journals show that patients give the low-fat vegetarian diet a high rating in terms of acceptability, and that the transition only takes about three weeks or less.

T. pct35768@...

[Guest guest]

PCRM bias doesnt automatically mean the data is screwed. Thier own press

release, which is what was posted, yes! Biased. Completely. But, at some

level, what researcher/scientist doesnt have some bias? The issues/areas they

study are usually influenced by their own interests.

But, lets see the study and evaluate it on its own merits. I tried to find it

but couldnt.

Regards

Jeff

[Guest guest]

PCRM bias doesnt automatically mean the data is screwed. Thier own press

release, which is what was posted, yes! Biased. Completely. But, at some

level, what researcher/scientist doesnt have some bias? The issues/areas they

study are usually influenced by their own interests.

But, lets see the study and evaluate it on its own merits. I tried to find it

but couldnt.

Regards

Jeff

[Guest guest]

On the other hand, here is a study done by researchers at the

University of Illinois that illustrates just the opposite:

http://www.nutraingredients.com/news/ng.asp?n=62112 & m=1NIE826 & c=lqeudkujayvvlpc

excerpt:

In both groups of dieters, the exercise helped spare lean muscle

tissue and target fat loss. But, the protein-rich, high-exercise

group, lost even more weight, and almost 100 per cent of the weight

loss was fat, report the researchers.

In the high-carbohydrate, high-exercise group, however, as much as 25

to 30 per cent of the weight lost was muscle.

The protein-rich diet seems to be even more effective for people at

higher risk of heart disease.

> I strongly concur with these findings, based upon a sound proteomic

understanding , but I know that people that are addicted to the

" essential amino acid-mediated neurotransmitter rush " that attends

omnivorous ways will scoff at thse findings, and run off to re-read

literature from the nineties that corroborates their dated and

probably flat-out wrong perspective on carbohydrate metabolism.

> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

>

> New study shows high-carb, vegan diet causes major weight loss

> Diet effective with no limits on portion sizeWASHINGTON -- A

low-fat, plant-based diet is more effective at helping women lose

weight and improve insulin sensitivity than an omnivorous diet, shows

a new study appearing in the September issue of The American Journal

of Medicine. The study, involving 59 overweight, postmenopausal women,

was conducted by Neal D. Barnard, M.D., president of the Physicians

Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM), together with colleagues at

town University Hospital and Washington University. Half

of the study participants followed a vegan diet; the other half

followed a control diet based on National Cholesterol Education

Program guidelines.

> " The study participants following the vegan diet enjoyed unlimited

servings of fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and other healthful

foods that enabled them to lose weight without feeling hungry, " says

Dr. Barnard, the lead author. " As they began to experience the

positive effects, weight loss and improved insulin sensitivity, the

women in the intervention group became even more motivated to follow

the plant-based eating plan. "

> Scientific studies show that obesity and overweight are far less

prevalent in populations following a plant-based diet. In a recent

study of more than 55,000 Swedish women, Tufts University researcher

P. Kirstin Newby and her colleagues found that 40 percent of

meat-eaters were overweight or obese while only 25 to 29 percent of

vegetarians and vegans were. Worldwide, vegetarian populations

experience lower rates of heart disease, diabetes, high blood

pressure, and other life-threatening diseases. A new study appearing

in September's Journal of Urology shows that a low-fat, primarily

vegan diet may slow the progression of prostate cancer.

> The simplicity of a vegan diet appeals to people who are busy with

work and family, and many familiar recipes are easy to adapt. At least

four studies published in peer-reviewed journals show that patients

give the low-fat vegetarian diet a high rating in terms of

acceptability, and that the transition only takes about three weeks or

less.

>

> T. pct35768@y...

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

On the other hand, here is a study done by researchers at the

University of Illinois that illustrates just the opposite:

http://www.nutraingredients.com/news/ng.asp?n=62112 & m=1NIE826 & c=lqeudkujayvvlpc

excerpt:

In both groups of dieters, the exercise helped spare lean muscle

tissue and target fat loss. But, the protein-rich, high-exercise

group, lost even more weight, and almost 100 per cent of the weight

loss was fat, report the researchers.

In the high-carbohydrate, high-exercise group, however, as much as 25

to 30 per cent of the weight lost was muscle.

The protein-rich diet seems to be even more effective for people at

higher risk of heart disease.

> I strongly concur with these findings, based upon a sound proteomic

understanding , but I know that people that are addicted to the

" essential amino acid-mediated neurotransmitter rush " that attends

omnivorous ways will scoff at thse findings, and run off to re-read

literature from the nineties that corroborates their dated and

probably flat-out wrong perspective on carbohydrate metabolism.

> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

>

> New study shows high-carb, vegan diet causes major weight loss

> Diet effective with no limits on portion sizeWASHINGTON -- A

low-fat, plant-based diet is more effective at helping women lose

weight and improve insulin sensitivity than an omnivorous diet, shows

a new study appearing in the September issue of The American Journal

of Medicine. The study, involving 59 overweight, postmenopausal women,

was conducted by Neal D. Barnard, M.D., president of the Physicians

Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM), together with colleagues at

town University Hospital and Washington University. Half

of the study participants followed a vegan diet; the other half

followed a control diet based on National Cholesterol Education

Program guidelines.

> " The study participants following the vegan diet enjoyed unlimited

servings of fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and other healthful

foods that enabled them to lose weight without feeling hungry, " says

Dr. Barnard, the lead author. " As they began to experience the

positive effects, weight loss and improved insulin sensitivity, the

women in the intervention group became even more motivated to follow

the plant-based eating plan. "

> Scientific studies show that obesity and overweight are far less

prevalent in populations following a plant-based diet. In a recent

study of more than 55,000 Swedish women, Tufts University researcher

P. Kirstin Newby and her colleagues found that 40 percent of

meat-eaters were overweight or obese while only 25 to 29 percent of

vegetarians and vegans were. Worldwide, vegetarian populations

experience lower rates of heart disease, diabetes, high blood

pressure, and other life-threatening diseases. A new study appearing

in September's Journal of Urology shows that a low-fat, primarily

vegan diet may slow the progression of prostate cancer.

> The simplicity of a vegan diet appeals to people who are busy with

work and family, and many familiar recipes are easy to adapt. At least

four studies published in peer-reviewed journals show that patients

give the low-fat vegetarian diet a high rating in terms of

acceptability, and that the transition only takes about three weeks or

less.

>

> T. pct35768@y...

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Hi folks:

And of course, as pointed out here more than once previously, meat

products do not have a monopoly with regard to protein content.

In the case, for example, of " spinach, cooked, boiled, drained,

without salt " , 32% of the calories are from PROTEIN. This of course

is much higher than the protein content of normal diets.

Rodney.

> On the other hand, here is a study done by researchers at the

> University of Illinois that illustrates just the opposite:

>

> http://www.nutraingredients.com/news/ng.asp?

n=62112 & m=1NIE826 & c=lqeudkujayvvlpc

>

> excerpt:

>

> In both groups of dieters, the exercise helped spare lean muscle

> tissue and target fat loss. But, the protein-rich, high-exercise

> group, lost even more weight, and almost 100 per cent of the weight

> loss was fat, report the researchers.

>

> In the high-carbohydrate, high-exercise group, however, as much as

25

> to 30 per cent of the weight lost was muscle.

>

> The protein-rich diet seems to be even more effective for people at

> higher risk of heart disease.

>

>

>

> --- In , T <pct35768@y...>

wrote:

> > I strongly concur with these findings, based upon a sound

proteomic

> understanding , but I know that people that are addicted to the

> " essential amino acid-mediated neurotransmitter rush " that attends

> omnivorous ways will scoff at thse findings, and run off to re-read

> literature from the nineties that corroborates their dated and

> probably flat-out wrong perspective on carbohydrate metabolism.

> > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

> >

> > New study shows high-carb, vegan diet causes major weight loss

> > Diet effective with no limits on portion sizeWASHINGTON -- A

> low-fat, plant-based diet is more effective at helping women lose

> weight and improve insulin sensitivity than an omnivorous diet,

shows

> a new study appearing in the September issue of The American Journal

> of Medicine. The study, involving 59 overweight, postmenopausal

women,

> was conducted by Neal D. Barnard, M.D., president of the Physicians

> Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM), together with colleagues

at

> town University Hospital and Washington University.

Half

> of the study participants followed a vegan diet; the other half

> followed a control diet based on National Cholesterol Education

> Program guidelines.

> > " The study participants following the vegan diet enjoyed unlimited

> servings of fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and other healthful

> foods that enabled them to lose weight without feeling hungry, " says

> Dr. Barnard, the lead author. " As they began to experience the

> positive effects, weight loss and improved insulin sensitivity, the

> women in the intervention group became even more motivated to follow

> the plant-based eating plan. "

> > Scientific studies show that obesity and overweight are far less

> prevalent in populations following a plant-based diet. In a recent

> study of more than 55,000 Swedish women, Tufts University researcher

> P. Kirstin Newby and her colleagues found that 40 percent of

> meat-eaters were overweight or obese while only 25 to 29 percent of

> vegetarians and vegans were. Worldwide, vegetarian populations

> experience lower rates of heart disease, diabetes, high blood

> pressure, and other life-threatening diseases. A new study appearing

> in September's Journal of Urology shows that a low-fat, primarily

> vegan diet may slow the progression of prostate cancer.

> > The simplicity of a vegan diet appeals to people who are busy with

> work and family, and many familiar recipes are easy to adapt. At

least

> four studies published in peer-reviewed journals show that patients

> give the low-fat vegetarian diet a high rating in terms of

> acceptability, and that the transition only takes about three weeks

or

> less.

> >

> > T. pct35768@y...

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi folks:

And of course, as pointed out here more than once previously, meat

products do not have a monopoly with regard to protein content.

In the case, for example, of " spinach, cooked, boiled, drained,

without salt " , 32% of the calories are from PROTEIN. This of course

is much higher than the protein content of normal diets.

Rodney.

> On the other hand, here is a study done by researchers at the

> University of Illinois that illustrates just the opposite:

>

> http://www.nutraingredients.com/news/ng.asp?

n=62112 & m=1NIE826 & c=lqeudkujayvvlpc

>

> excerpt:

>

> In both groups of dieters, the exercise helped spare lean muscle

> tissue and target fat loss. But, the protein-rich, high-exercise

> group, lost even more weight, and almost 100 per cent of the weight

> loss was fat, report the researchers.

>

> In the high-carbohydrate, high-exercise group, however, as much as

25

> to 30 per cent of the weight lost was muscle.

>

> The protein-rich diet seems to be even more effective for people at

> higher risk of heart disease.

>

>

>

> --- In , T <pct35768@y...>

wrote:

> > I strongly concur with these findings, based upon a sound

proteomic

> understanding , but I know that people that are addicted to the

> " essential amino acid-mediated neurotransmitter rush " that attends

> omnivorous ways will scoff at thse findings, and run off to re-read

> literature from the nineties that corroborates their dated and

> probably flat-out wrong perspective on carbohydrate metabolism.

> > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

> >

> > New study shows high-carb, vegan diet causes major weight loss

> > Diet effective with no limits on portion sizeWASHINGTON -- A

> low-fat, plant-based diet is more effective at helping women lose

> weight and improve insulin sensitivity than an omnivorous diet,

shows

> a new study appearing in the September issue of The American Journal

> of Medicine. The study, involving 59 overweight, postmenopausal

women,

> was conducted by Neal D. Barnard, M.D., president of the Physicians

> Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM), together with colleagues

at

> town University Hospital and Washington University.

Half

> of the study participants followed a vegan diet; the other half

> followed a control diet based on National Cholesterol Education

> Program guidelines.

> > " The study participants following the vegan diet enjoyed unlimited

> servings of fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and other healthful

> foods that enabled them to lose weight without feeling hungry, " says

> Dr. Barnard, the lead author. " As they began to experience the

> positive effects, weight loss and improved insulin sensitivity, the

> women in the intervention group became even more motivated to follow

> the plant-based eating plan. "

> > Scientific studies show that obesity and overweight are far less

> prevalent in populations following a plant-based diet. In a recent

> study of more than 55,000 Swedish women, Tufts University researcher

> P. Kirstin Newby and her colleagues found that 40 percent of

> meat-eaters were overweight or obese while only 25 to 29 percent of

> vegetarians and vegans were. Worldwide, vegetarian populations

> experience lower rates of heart disease, diabetes, high blood

> pressure, and other life-threatening diseases. A new study appearing

> in September's Journal of Urology shows that a low-fat, primarily

> vegan diet may slow the progression of prostate cancer.

> > The simplicity of a vegan diet appeals to people who are busy with

> work and family, and many familiar recipes are easy to adapt. At

least

> four studies published in peer-reviewed journals show that patients

> give the low-fat vegetarian diet a high rating in terms of

> acceptability, and that the transition only takes about three weeks

or

> less.

> >

> > T. pct35768@y...

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

> On the other hand, here is a study done by researchers at the

> University of Illinois that illustrates just the opposite:

And, I posted one here recently how on a low protein diet at 50% of the RDA,

..4g/kg, the low protein group also built muscle and increased strength.

Of course, we can play that game forever. And that is why we have to see the

studies, the detials, the other controls, the variables, type of carb,

exercise, type of exercise, etc etcetc etc

Jeff

[Guest guest]

> On the other hand, here is a study done by researchers at the

> University of Illinois that illustrates just the opposite:

And, I posted one here recently how on a low protein diet at 50% of the RDA,

..4g/kg, the low protein group also built muscle and increased strength.

Of course, we can play that game forever. And that is why we have to see the

studies, the detials, the other controls, the variables, type of carb,

exercise, type of exercise, etc etcetc etc

Jeff

[Guest guest]

I guess what you are saying is that the test could select people 100 # overweight and show one result, and another could select people 30# overweight and show a different result.

To take an extreme case, if you were 30# over and lost 100#, you have to lose a lot of muscle, because you can't lose all fat.

The beauty of a low fat veg diet is you don't have to watch the calories so closely.

Regards.

RE: [ ] Re: High-carb, vegan diet with no calorie control improves physiology

> On the other hand, here is a study done by researchers at the> University of Illinois that illustrates just the opposite:And, I posted one here recently how on a low protein diet at 50% of the RDA, .4g/kg, the low protein group also built muscle and increased strength.Of course, we can play that game forever. And that is why we have to see the studies, the detials, the other controls, the variables, type of carb, exercise, type of exercise, etc etcetc etc Jeff

[Guest guest]

I guess what you are saying is that the test could select people 100 # overweight and show one result, and another could select people 30# overweight and show a different result.

To take an extreme case, if you were 30# over and lost 100#, you have to lose a lot of muscle, because you can't lose all fat.

The beauty of a low fat veg diet is you don't have to watch the calories so closely.

Regards.

RE: [ ] Re: High-carb, vegan diet with no calorie control improves physiology

> On the other hand, here is a study done by researchers at the> University of Illinois that illustrates just the opposite:And, I posted one here recently how on a low protein diet at 50% of the RDA, .4g/kg, the low protein group also built muscle and increased strength.Of course, we can play that game forever. And that is why we have to see the studies, the detials, the other controls, the variables, type of carb, exercise, type of exercise, etc etcetc etc Jeff

[Guest guest]

Hi folks:

I am sitting on the edge of my chair here waiting for the results of

Partridge's current drosophila study that should be able to

quantify the relative importance to (drosophila) lifespan of

restricting protein compared with restricting fat - restriction of

carbohydrate having already been shown to be a rather minor factor.

We may find ourselves wondering whether the 'official' human protein

requirement may be too high by a large factor. But we have to wait

and see. And then wait for mouse studies to be done. And then in

chimps ...................... . In about 100 years we should be

close to getting the answer. Just of well we are all on CR here ;

^ )))

Rodney.

--- In , " jwwright " <jwwright@e...>

wrote:

> I guess what you are saying is that the test could select people

100 # overweight and show one result, and another could select people

30# overweight and show a different result.

> To take an extreme case, if you were 30# over and lost 100#, you

have to lose a lot of muscle, because you can't lose all fat.

> The beauty of a low fat veg diet is you don't have to watch the

calories so closely.

>

> Regards.

>

> RE: [ ] Re: High-carb, vegan diet with no

calorie control improves physiology

>

>

> > On the other hand, here is a study done by researchers at the

> > University of Illinois that illustrates just the opposite:

>

> And, I posted one here recently how on a low protein diet at 50%

of the RDA, .4g/kg, the low protein group also built muscle and

increased strength.

>

> Of course, we can play that game forever. And that is why we

have to see the studies, the detials, the other controls, the

variables, type of carb, exercise, type of exercise, etc etcetc etc

>

> Jeff

[Guest guest]

Hi folks:

I am sitting on the edge of my chair here waiting for the results of

Partridge's current drosophila study that should be able to

quantify the relative importance to (drosophila) lifespan of

restricting protein compared with restricting fat - restriction of

carbohydrate having already been shown to be a rather minor factor.

We may find ourselves wondering whether the 'official' human protein

requirement may be too high by a large factor. But we have to wait

and see. And then wait for mouse studies to be done. And then in

chimps ...................... . In about 100 years we should be

close to getting the answer. Just of well we are all on CR here ;

^ )))

Rodney.

--- In , " jwwright " <jwwright@e...>

wrote:

> I guess what you are saying is that the test could select people

100 # overweight and show one result, and another could select people

30# overweight and show a different result.

> To take an extreme case, if you were 30# over and lost 100#, you

have to lose a lot of muscle, because you can't lose all fat.

> The beauty of a low fat veg diet is you don't have to watch the

calories so closely.

>

> Regards.

>

> RE: [ ] Re: High-carb, vegan diet with no

calorie control improves physiology

>

>

> > On the other hand, here is a study done by researchers at the

> > University of Illinois that illustrates just the opposite:

>

> And, I posted one here recently how on a low protein diet at 50%

of the RDA, .4g/kg, the low protein group also built muscle and

increased strength.

>

> Of course, we can play that game forever. And that is why we

have to see the studies, the detials, the other controls, the

variables, type of carb, exercise, type of exercise, etc etcetc etc

>

> Jeff

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

The same author showed comparable compliance in a second earlier paper:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstra\

ct & list_uids=15286527 & query_hl=31

and it reported:

" The acceptability of both diets was high, although the vegan group participants

rated their diet as less easy to prepare than their usual diets (P <.05) and the

NCEP participants foresaw continuation of their assigned diet to be more

difficult

than continuation of their baseline diets (P <.05). There were no between-group

differences on any acceptability measures. "

--- jwwright <jwwright@...> wrote:

> Not to disagree, the one thing I noticed right off is " the simplicity of a

vegan

> diet " .

> There is nothing simple about adapting to a vegan diet, whether you buy and

> process your own veggies, try to buy restaurant food, or find suitable

substitutes

> for meat, whatever.

> Those people who have lived a lot of their life doing vegan, maybe raised in a

> vegan family know how to do it, perhaps. Switching after adulthood is another

> matter.

> From: T

> I strongly concur with these findings, based upon a sound proteomic

> understanding , but I know that people that are addicted to the " essential

amino

> acid-mediated neurotransmitter rush " that attends omnivorous ways will scoff

at

> thse findings, and run off to re-read literature from the nineties that

> corroborates their dated and probably flat-out wrong perspective on

carbohydrate

> metabolism.

> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

>

> New study shows high-carb, vegan diet causes major weight loss

>

> Diet effective with no limits on portion size

Al Pater, PhD; email: old542000@...

______________________________________________________

Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.

http://store./redcross-donate3/

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

The same author showed comparable compliance in a second earlier paper:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstra\

ct & list_uids=15286527 & query_hl=31

and it reported:

" The acceptability of both diets was high, although the vegan group participants

rated their diet as less easy to prepare than their usual diets (P <.05) and the

NCEP participants foresaw continuation of their assigned diet to be more

difficult

than continuation of their baseline diets (P <.05). There were no between-group

differences on any acceptability measures. "

--- jwwright <jwwright@...> wrote:

> Not to disagree, the one thing I noticed right off is " the simplicity of a

vegan

> diet " .

> There is nothing simple about adapting to a vegan diet, whether you buy and

> process your own veggies, try to buy restaurant food, or find suitable

substitutes

> for meat, whatever.

> Those people who have lived a lot of their life doing vegan, maybe raised in a

> vegan family know how to do it, perhaps. Switching after adulthood is another

> matter.

> From: T

> I strongly concur with these findings, based upon a sound proteomic

> understanding , but I know that people that are addicted to the " essential

amino

> acid-mediated neurotransmitter rush " that attends omnivorous ways will scoff

at

> thse findings, and run off to re-read literature from the nineties that

> corroborates their dated and probably flat-out wrong perspective on

carbohydrate

> metabolism.

> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

>

> New study shows high-carb, vegan diet causes major weight loss

>

> Diet effective with no limits on portion size

Al Pater, PhD; email: old542000@...

______________________________________________________

Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.

http://store./redcross-donate3/