Guest guest Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 [ ] Noobies....Here. We are new to the CR and are experimenting with the alternate dayfeeding. We are 50 and 47 years of age. We are counting calories andpercentages of Protein, Carbs and Fats in our diets. We were told by a fellow member that we would be welcome here.So far we are very happy with our bodies response to the CR. --Welcome, and Which is what ("your bodies' response to CR with which you're very happy")? Also, do you guys go 24 hours or more like 36 hours on your non-eating days? --Thanks. Maco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 [ ] Noobies....Here. We are new to the CR and are experimenting with the alternate dayfeeding. We are 50 and 47 years of age. We are counting calories andpercentages of Protein, Carbs and Fats in our diets. We were told by a fellow member that we would be welcome here.So far we are very happy with our bodies response to the CR. --Welcome, and Which is what ("your bodies' response to CR with which you're very happy")? Also, do you guys go 24 hours or more like 36 hours on your non-eating days? --Thanks. Maco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Hi Bob and : Welcome. Lots and lots (!) of potential questions, which if you wish you could think about answering when you get around to it. For example: how long have you been on alternate day feeding? What was the principal reason for deciding to do it? Do you consume pretty much zero calories on the fasting days? Have you had tests done before and after starting (lipids, blood pressure, blood sugar and so on) and what changes have you seen in them? What is it you feel so good about? Have you noticed any negative aspects to it? Approximately what are your heights, and your weights before starting and now? Approximately how many calories are you currently consuming? We are somewhat familiar with alternate day feeding in rodents - there is at least one study on this in the files here - but Maco is the only person I know of here who has/is trying it themselves. Rodney. > > We are new to the CR and are experimenting with the alternate day > feeding. We are 50 and 47 years of age. We are counting calories and > percentages of Protein, Carbs and Fats in our diets. > We were told by a fellow member that we would be welcome here. > So far we are very happy with our bodies response to the CR. > > Bob and > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Hi Bob and : Welcome. Lots and lots (!) of potential questions, which if you wish you could think about answering when you get around to it. For example: how long have you been on alternate day feeding? What was the principal reason for deciding to do it? Do you consume pretty much zero calories on the fasting days? Have you had tests done before and after starting (lipids, blood pressure, blood sugar and so on) and what changes have you seen in them? What is it you feel so good about? Have you noticed any negative aspects to it? Approximately what are your heights, and your weights before starting and now? Approximately how many calories are you currently consuming? We are somewhat familiar with alternate day feeding in rodents - there is at least one study on this in the files here - but Maco is the only person I know of here who has/is trying it themselves. Rodney. > > We are new to the CR and are experimenting with the alternate day > feeding. We are 50 and 47 years of age. We are counting calories and > percentages of Protein, Carbs and Fats in our diets. > We were told by a fellow member that we would be welcome here. > So far we are very happy with our bodies response to the CR. > > Bob and > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 > For example: how long have you been on alternate day feeding? Well, we recently started. What > was the principal reason for deciding to do it? Both of our Fathers have had strokes recently and we have been concerned for them and as a result we have been reading the letters here and recently purchased the book The Longevity diet by Delaney and Walford. I am a pioneering type of individual who had the second achilles lengthening for people with CP in the late 50' and early 60's. I have CP. Seeing my dad who ate so little come back from Quad-bypass surgery has inspired me. He ate so little and yet seemed to thrive and become stronger. It is amazing to me to see what happened to him on so few calories. Religiously speaking we have known of " fasting " from our studies in religious literature. So, that has been an inspiration. Do you consume > pretty much zero calories on the fasting days? Yes. Although, we have considered a 24 hour fast and then Low carbs and then 24 and low carbs and then 24 and high carbs. This was a suggestion by a body fitness friend at the YMCA. But, right now we are just 12 hours on and 36 hours off. On the off days is taking 3 apples. My regimen is water only on off days. Feeding days are 35% Protein 45% Carbs and 20% Fats. These are the percentages we are shooting for. Have you had tests > done before and after starting (lipids, blood pressure, blood sugar > and so on) and what changes have you seen in them? Yes, I have had some tests done, but those are not our reasons for being interested in CR. What is it you > feel so good about? Honestly, we feel more energy from it and do not feel deprived from it and are happy to say we do not feel hunger pangs much. Also, feeling more alert. Have you noticed any negative aspects to it? Not really other than the psychological idea that we should eat at a given time we used to eat at. The only real negative is a bit of grumpiness or stress related to having not eaten. > Approximately what are your heights, and your weights before starting > and now? Bob's 5'6 and 5'4. Bob 164 lbs. and 120 lbs. and presently Bob 153lbs. and 117 lbs. We have our BMI, BMR,Impedance, Fat %, Fat Mass, FFM, TBW etc. Approximately how many calories are you currently consuming? Around 1000 kcal. per day on a daily CR regimen. But, we have upped the protein and calories for ADF. does not feel comfortable with a no feeding day so she takes the apples. > > We are somewhat familiar with alternate day feeding in rodents - > there is at least one study on this in the files here - but Maco is > the only person I know of here who has/is trying it themselves. > > Rodney. > > > > > > We are new to the CR and are experimenting with the alternate day > > feeding. We are 50 and 47 years of age. We are counting calories > and > > percentages of Protein, Carbs and Fats in our diets. > > We were told by a fellow member that we would be welcome here. > > So far we are very happy with our bodies response to the CR. > > > > Bob and > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 > For example: how long have you been on alternate day feeding? Well, we recently started. What > was the principal reason for deciding to do it? Both of our Fathers have had strokes recently and we have been concerned for them and as a result we have been reading the letters here and recently purchased the book The Longevity diet by Delaney and Walford. I am a pioneering type of individual who had the second achilles lengthening for people with CP in the late 50' and early 60's. I have CP. Seeing my dad who ate so little come back from Quad-bypass surgery has inspired me. He ate so little and yet seemed to thrive and become stronger. It is amazing to me to see what happened to him on so few calories. Religiously speaking we have known of " fasting " from our studies in religious literature. So, that has been an inspiration. Do you consume > pretty much zero calories on the fasting days? Yes. Although, we have considered a 24 hour fast and then Low carbs and then 24 and low carbs and then 24 and high carbs. This was a suggestion by a body fitness friend at the YMCA. But, right now we are just 12 hours on and 36 hours off. On the off days is taking 3 apples. My regimen is water only on off days. Feeding days are 35% Protein 45% Carbs and 20% Fats. These are the percentages we are shooting for. Have you had tests > done before and after starting (lipids, blood pressure, blood sugar > and so on) and what changes have you seen in them? Yes, I have had some tests done, but those are not our reasons for being interested in CR. What is it you > feel so good about? Honestly, we feel more energy from it and do not feel deprived from it and are happy to say we do not feel hunger pangs much. Also, feeling more alert. Have you noticed any negative aspects to it? Not really other than the psychological idea that we should eat at a given time we used to eat at. The only real negative is a bit of grumpiness or stress related to having not eaten. > Approximately what are your heights, and your weights before starting > and now? Bob's 5'6 and 5'4. Bob 164 lbs. and 120 lbs. and presently Bob 153lbs. and 117 lbs. We have our BMI, BMR,Impedance, Fat %, Fat Mass, FFM, TBW etc. Approximately how many calories are you currently consuming? Around 1000 kcal. per day on a daily CR regimen. But, we have upped the protein and calories for ADF. does not feel comfortable with a no feeding day so she takes the apples. > > We are somewhat familiar with alternate day feeding in rodents - > there is at least one study on this in the files here - but Maco is > the only person I know of here who has/is trying it themselves. > > Rodney. > > > > > > We are new to the CR and are experimenting with the alternate day > > feeding. We are 50 and 47 years of age. We are counting calories > and > > percentages of Protein, Carbs and Fats in our diets. > > We were told by a fellow member that we would be welcome here. > > So far we are very happy with our bodies response to the CR. > > > > Bob and > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Bob and : What is CP? Is it Cerebral Palsey? We do not recommend going too low on calories. Certainly no lower than 1000 a day. That could be dangerous to your health/ on 10/19/2005 12:02 AM, Bob and at flowerpowerpetalpusher@... wrote: Approximately how many calories are you currently consuming? Around 1000 kcal. per day on a daily CR regimen. But, we have upped the protein and calories for ADF. does not feel comfortable with a no feeding day so she takes the apples. > > We are somewhat familiar with alternate day feeding in rodents - > there is at least one study on this in the files here - but Maco is > the only person I know of here who has/is trying it themselves. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Bob and : What is CP? Is it Cerebral Palsey? We do not recommend going too low on calories. Certainly no lower than 1000 a day. That could be dangerous to your health/ on 10/19/2005 12:02 AM, Bob and at flowerpowerpetalpusher@... wrote: Approximately how many calories are you currently consuming? Around 1000 kcal. per day on a daily CR regimen. But, we have upped the protein and calories for ADF. does not feel comfortable with a no feeding day so she takes the apples. > > We are somewhat familiar with alternate day feeding in rodents - > there is at least one study on this in the files here - but Maco is > the only person I know of here who has/is trying it themselves. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Yes, CP...I had the first CP achilles lengthening in the State of Texas. At 5-6 years old I was told I had a choice to stay in braces or on crutches or I could have this " new operation " . They promised me it would not hurt too much...but that wasn't true. It hurt like the dickens and took many months of recovery. I had been a student of the CP center in Austin Texas. I was a March of Dimes Easter Seal child. My parents and I agreed to have the surgery. At about the same time my mother was pushing the State of Texas to allow me into PUBLIC school. This was against the wishes of those running the schools in the state of Texas at that time. They would not agree to allow me into school unless I was tested by the State. So, my parents took me to the University of Texas when I was 6 and had me tested. The result was I entered school after my Achilles surgery and I went to first grade in a wheel chair. After going to Public School graduating Elementary and High School I went to College and got a Bachelor Arts degree. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Yes, CP...I had the first CP achilles lengthening in the State of Texas. At 5-6 years old I was told I had a choice to stay in braces or on crutches or I could have this " new operation " . They promised me it would not hurt too much...but that wasn't true. It hurt like the dickens and took many months of recovery. I had been a student of the CP center in Austin Texas. I was a March of Dimes Easter Seal child. My parents and I agreed to have the surgery. At about the same time my mother was pushing the State of Texas to allow me into PUBLIC school. This was against the wishes of those running the schools in the state of Texas at that time. They would not agree to allow me into school unless I was tested by the State. So, my parents took me to the University of Texas when I was 6 and had me tested. The result was I entered school after my Achilles surgery and I went to first grade in a wheel chair. After going to Public School graduating Elementary and High School I went to College and got a Bachelor Arts degree. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Hi Bob & : Thank you for that comprehensive response. I hope you will find a helpful resource. You will be helpful to everyone here as an example of alternate day fasting. Since as far as I am aware not many others here have been doing CRON 'twelve-hours-feeding- thirty-six-hours-fasting' up until now. (The lab mice have been doing it for a very long time, and greatly benefitting!) I see that Bob's BMI has dropped from 26.5 to 24.7. So presumably you had been pretty much ad lib prior to making the change. , whose BMI has dropped from 20.6 to 20.1 seems to have been pretty slim all along. You will find plenty of people here who think that 20% of calories from fat is very appropriate. It will be very interesting to see how your test results change after you have been doing this for, say, six months. (For example, I found that over twelve months my systolic BP dropped one point for each pound of weight I shed.) Since caloric restriction is far from being a fully scientifically defined science, around here some people feel that it may be inadvisable to go to extremes until more is known. An average intake of 1000 calories a day is certainly on the low end of the scale. Gradually dropping caloric intake from pre-CR levels over a period of a couple of years is certainly not going to entail unanticipated risks. Whereas a cold-turkey drop from, say, 2500 to 1000, possibly might. Just a thought. Good to have you here. Rodney. > > > > For example: how long have you been on alternate day feeding? Well, > we recently started. > > What > > was the principal reason for deciding to do it? Both of our Fathers > have had strokes recently and we have been concerned for them and as a > result we have been reading the letters here and recently purchased > the book The Longevity diet by Delaney and Walford. > I am a pioneering type of individual who had the second achilles > lengthening for people with CP in the late 50' and early 60's. I have > CP. Seeing my dad who ate so little come back from Quad-bypass > surgery has inspired me. He ate so little and yet seemed to thrive > and become stronger. It is amazing to me to see what happened to him > on so few calories. Religiously speaking we have known of " fasting " > from our studies in religious literature. So, that has been an > inspiration. > > Do you consume > > pretty much zero calories on the fasting days? Yes. Although, we > have considered a 24 hour fast and then Low carbs and then 24 and low > carbs and then 24 and high carbs. This was a suggestion by a body > fitness friend at the YMCA. > But, right now we are just 12 hours on and 36 hours off. On the off > days is taking 3 apples. My regimen is water only on off days. > Feeding days are 35% Protein 45% Carbs and 20% Fats. These are the > percentages we are shooting for. > > Have you had tests > > done before and after starting (lipids, blood pressure, blood sugar > > and so on) and what changes have you seen in them? Yes, I have had > some tests done, but those are not our reasons for being interested in > CR. > > What is it you > > feel so good about? Honestly, we feel more energy from it and do not > feel deprived from it and are happy to say we do not feel hunger pangs > much. Also, feeling more alert. > > Have you noticed any negative aspects to it? Not really other than > the psychological idea that we should eat at a given time we used to > eat at. The only real negative is a bit of grumpiness or stress > related to having not eaten. > > > Approximately what are your heights, and your weights before starting > > and now? Bob's 5'6 and 5'4. > Bob 164 lbs. and 120 lbs. and presently Bob 153lbs. and 117 > lbs. We have our BMI, BMR,Impedance, Fat %, Fat Mass, FFM, TBW etc. > > Approximately how many calories are you currently consuming? Around > 1000 kcal. per day on a daily CR regimen. But, we have upped the > protein and calories for ADF. does not feel comfortable with a > no feeding day so she takes the apples. > > > > We are somewhat familiar with alternate day feeding in rodents - > > there is at least one study on this in the files here - but Maco is > > the only person I know of here who has/is trying it themselves. > > > > Rodney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Hi Bob & : Thank you for that comprehensive response. I hope you will find a helpful resource. You will be helpful to everyone here as an example of alternate day fasting. Since as far as I am aware not many others here have been doing CRON 'twelve-hours-feeding- thirty-six-hours-fasting' up until now. (The lab mice have been doing it for a very long time, and greatly benefitting!) I see that Bob's BMI has dropped from 26.5 to 24.7. So presumably you had been pretty much ad lib prior to making the change. , whose BMI has dropped from 20.6 to 20.1 seems to have been pretty slim all along. You will find plenty of people here who think that 20% of calories from fat is very appropriate. It will be very interesting to see how your test results change after you have been doing this for, say, six months. (For example, I found that over twelve months my systolic BP dropped one point for each pound of weight I shed.) Since caloric restriction is far from being a fully scientifically defined science, around here some people feel that it may be inadvisable to go to extremes until more is known. An average intake of 1000 calories a day is certainly on the low end of the scale. Gradually dropping caloric intake from pre-CR levels over a period of a couple of years is certainly not going to entail unanticipated risks. Whereas a cold-turkey drop from, say, 2500 to 1000, possibly might. Just a thought. Good to have you here. Rodney. > > > > For example: how long have you been on alternate day feeding? Well, > we recently started. > > What > > was the principal reason for deciding to do it? Both of our Fathers > have had strokes recently and we have been concerned for them and as a > result we have been reading the letters here and recently purchased > the book The Longevity diet by Delaney and Walford. > I am a pioneering type of individual who had the second achilles > lengthening for people with CP in the late 50' and early 60's. I have > CP. Seeing my dad who ate so little come back from Quad-bypass > surgery has inspired me. He ate so little and yet seemed to thrive > and become stronger. It is amazing to me to see what happened to him > on so few calories. Religiously speaking we have known of " fasting " > from our studies in religious literature. So, that has been an > inspiration. > > Do you consume > > pretty much zero calories on the fasting days? Yes. Although, we > have considered a 24 hour fast and then Low carbs and then 24 and low > carbs and then 24 and high carbs. This was a suggestion by a body > fitness friend at the YMCA. > But, right now we are just 12 hours on and 36 hours off. On the off > days is taking 3 apples. My regimen is water only on off days. > Feeding days are 35% Protein 45% Carbs and 20% Fats. These are the > percentages we are shooting for. > > Have you had tests > > done before and after starting (lipids, blood pressure, blood sugar > > and so on) and what changes have you seen in them? Yes, I have had > some tests done, but those are not our reasons for being interested in > CR. > > What is it you > > feel so good about? Honestly, we feel more energy from it and do not > feel deprived from it and are happy to say we do not feel hunger pangs > much. Also, feeling more alert. > > Have you noticed any negative aspects to it? Not really other than > the psychological idea that we should eat at a given time we used to > eat at. The only real negative is a bit of grumpiness or stress > related to having not eaten. > > > Approximately what are your heights, and your weights before starting > > and now? Bob's 5'6 and 5'4. > Bob 164 lbs. and 120 lbs. and presently Bob 153lbs. and 117 > lbs. We have our BMI, BMR,Impedance, Fat %, Fat Mass, FFM, TBW etc. > > Approximately how many calories are you currently consuming? Around > 1000 kcal. per day on a daily CR regimen. But, we have upped the > protein and calories for ADF. does not feel comfortable with a > no feeding day so she takes the apples. > > > > We are somewhat familiar with alternate day feeding in rodents - > > there is at least one study on this in the files here - but Maco is > > the only person I know of here who has/is trying it themselves. > > > > Rodney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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