Guest guest Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 I may have extrapolated myself into illogic, but I'm wondering if there is any valuable to switching our child from cow's milk to soy milk fortified with calcium. My general thinking is that this would be more consistent with the benefits of an Okinawan diet regimen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 I may have extrapolated myself into illogic, but I'm wondering if there is any valuable to switching our child from cow's milk to soy milk fortified with calcium. My general thinking is that this would be more consistent with the benefits of an Okinawan diet regimen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 The last time that I looked at the ingredients of soy milk, I got the impression that it was not much better than Coca-Cola: Soy solids, corn syrup solids, emulsifiers, etc. My own opinion is that both grown-ups and children should eat real food, not junk food or products concocted by the food industry as an imitation of a real food (e.g., sodas, soy milk, margarine, Crisco shortening, salted chips, etc.) You cannot expect a product with a dozen artificial ingredients to have the nutritional complexity of a natural food like milk. In these days of increased rates of autism, attention deficit disorder, multiple sclerosis, and allergies you have to wonder whether the artificial foods are to blame. The health of your children depends on the choices that you make for them today. Choosing natural foods has produced good results for thousands of years. Can you say the same thing for artificial foods? Tony > > I may have extrapolated myself into illogic, but I'm wondering if there is > any valuable to switching our child from cow's milk to soy milk fortified with > calcium. > > My general thinking is that this would be more consistent with the benefits > of an Okinawan diet regimen. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 The last time that I looked at the ingredients of soy milk, I got the impression that it was not much better than Coca-Cola: Soy solids, corn syrup solids, emulsifiers, etc. My own opinion is that both grown-ups and children should eat real food, not junk food or products concocted by the food industry as an imitation of a real food (e.g., sodas, soy milk, margarine, Crisco shortening, salted chips, etc.) You cannot expect a product with a dozen artificial ingredients to have the nutritional complexity of a natural food like milk. In these days of increased rates of autism, attention deficit disorder, multiple sclerosis, and allergies you have to wonder whether the artificial foods are to blame. The health of your children depends on the choices that you make for them today. Choosing natural foods has produced good results for thousands of years. Can you say the same thing for artificial foods? Tony > > I may have extrapolated myself into illogic, but I'm wondering if there is > any valuable to switching our child from cow's milk to soy milk fortified with > calcium. > > My general thinking is that this would be more consistent with the benefits > of an Okinawan diet regimen. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 As someone who brought up my daughter on Soy milk, I had the same concerns as well. It came down to weighing the balance between Cows milk and natural milk. So she's 16 months old now and here's the scorecard: * Never had a cold * Never got sick * Peak of health * No spots, blotches, mucus, running nose * Really intelligent little girl (alright, thats the genes!) I've read all the issues with Soy milk, and all the issues with today's modern cows milk formula which contains all the other crap that's in soy milk as well -- and on balance I think our choice was well made. We're currently transitioning to organic soy formula which does not contain the corn syrup solids and emulsifiers so that's a good thing. - son On 11/15/05, citpeks <citpeks@...> wrote: > The last time that I looked at the ingredients of soy milk, I got the > impression that it was not much better than Coca-Cola: Soy solids, > corn syrup solids, emulsifiers, etc. > > My own opinion is that both grown-ups and children should eat real > food, not junk food or products concocted by the food industry as an > imitation of a real food (e.g., sodas, soy milk, margarine, Crisco > shortening, salted chips, etc.) > > You cannot expect a product with a dozen artificial ingredients to > have the nutritional complexity of a natural food like milk. In these > days of increased rates of autism, attention deficit disorder, > multiple sclerosis, and allergies you have to wonder whether the > artificial foods are to blame. > > The health of your children depends on the choices that you make for > them today. Choosing natural foods has produced good results for > thousands of years. Can you say the same thing for artificial foods? > > Tony > > > > > > I may have extrapolated myself into illogic, but I'm wondering if > there is > > any valuable to switching our child from cow's milk to soy milk > fortified with > > calcium. > > > > My general thinking is that this would be more consistent with the > benefits > > of an Okinawan diet regimen. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 As someone who brought up my daughter on Soy milk, I had the same concerns as well. It came down to weighing the balance between Cows milk and natural milk. So she's 16 months old now and here's the scorecard: * Never had a cold * Never got sick * Peak of health * No spots, blotches, mucus, running nose * Really intelligent little girl (alright, thats the genes!) I've read all the issues with Soy milk, and all the issues with today's modern cows milk formula which contains all the other crap that's in soy milk as well -- and on balance I think our choice was well made. We're currently transitioning to organic soy formula which does not contain the corn syrup solids and emulsifiers so that's a good thing. - son On 11/15/05, citpeks <citpeks@...> wrote: > The last time that I looked at the ingredients of soy milk, I got the > impression that it was not much better than Coca-Cola: Soy solids, > corn syrup solids, emulsifiers, etc. > > My own opinion is that both grown-ups and children should eat real > food, not junk food or products concocted by the food industry as an > imitation of a real food (e.g., sodas, soy milk, margarine, Crisco > shortening, salted chips, etc.) > > You cannot expect a product with a dozen artificial ingredients to > have the nutritional complexity of a natural food like milk. In these > days of increased rates of autism, attention deficit disorder, > multiple sclerosis, and allergies you have to wonder whether the > artificial foods are to blame. > > The health of your children depends on the choices that you make for > them today. Choosing natural foods has produced good results for > thousands of years. Can you say the same thing for artificial foods? > > Tony > > > > > > I may have extrapolated myself into illogic, but I'm wondering if > there is > > any valuable to switching our child from cow's milk to soy milk > fortified with > > calcium. > > > > My general thinking is that this would be more consistent with the > benefits > > of an Okinawan diet regimen. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 I am not sure how everyone else would define " natural " but I do not consider cows milk (or its derivatives) a " natural " food for adullt humans. Perfect for baby cows, but not adult humans. I would think it nore " natural " that humans be " weaned " not only from the milk of their own species as all other animal are in " nature " , but also be " weaned " of the milk of another species. I dont see the " natural " in dairy products. Its also hard for me to imagine how a food can be consider so " natural " for a species when most of that species do not contain the enzyme neccessary to digest this " natural " food.(see below) My daughter, who turns 23 next week, was raised without the use of any dairy products and was not only no worse for it, she was much better off.. American Family Physician® > Vol. 65/No. 9 (May 1, 2002) TABLE 2 Prevalence of Primary Lactase Deficiency in Various Ethnic Groups ________________________________ Group Prevalence (%) Northern Europeans 2 to 15 American whites 6 to 22 Central Europeans 9 to 23 Indians (Indian subcontinent) Northern 20 to 30 Southern 60 to 70 Hispanics 50 to 80 Ashkenazi Jews 60 to 80 Blacks 60 to 80 American Indians 80 to 100 Asians 95 to 100 ________________________________ Adapted with permission from Sahi T. Genetics and epidemiology of adult-type hypolactasia. Scand J Gastroenterol 1994;29(Suppl 202):7-20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 I am not sure how everyone else would define " natural " but I do not consider cows milk (or its derivatives) a " natural " food for adullt humans. Perfect for baby cows, but not adult humans. I would think it nore " natural " that humans be " weaned " not only from the milk of their own species as all other animal are in " nature " , but also be " weaned " of the milk of another species. I dont see the " natural " in dairy products. Its also hard for me to imagine how a food can be consider so " natural " for a species when most of that species do not contain the enzyme neccessary to digest this " natural " food.(see below) My daughter, who turns 23 next week, was raised without the use of any dairy products and was not only no worse for it, she was much better off.. American Family Physician® > Vol. 65/No. 9 (May 1, 2002) TABLE 2 Prevalence of Primary Lactase Deficiency in Various Ethnic Groups ________________________________ Group Prevalence (%) Northern Europeans 2 to 15 American whites 6 to 22 Central Europeans 9 to 23 Indians (Indian subcontinent) Northern 20 to 30 Southern 60 to 70 Hispanics 50 to 80 Ashkenazi Jews 60 to 80 Blacks 60 to 80 American Indians 80 to 100 Asians 95 to 100 ________________________________ Adapted with permission from Sahi T. Genetics and epidemiology of adult-type hypolactasia. Scand J Gastroenterol 1994;29(Suppl 202):7-20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 Goodness Tony! Those ingredients are awful and you must obviously have been looking at soy milk in a regular grocery store?? Same with yogurt - your local grocer carries yogurt with all kinds of crap in it. Here are the ingredients in just one of several brands of soymilk normally found in health food stores, none of which contain the ingredients you mention. Edensoy: Purified Water, Organic Soybeans, Naturally Malted Organic Wheat and Barley Extract, Calcium Carbonate, Kombu Seaweed, Sea Salt, Vitamin E, Beta Carotene, Vitamin D2, Vitamin B-12 Genesa > > > > I may have extrapolated myself into illogic, but I'm wondering if > there is > > any valuable to switching our child from cow's milk to soy milk > fortified with > > calcium. > > > > My general thinking is that this would be more consistent with the > benefits > > of an Okinawan diet regimen. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 Goodness Tony! Those ingredients are awful and you must obviously have been looking at soy milk in a regular grocery store?? Same with yogurt - your local grocer carries yogurt with all kinds of crap in it. Here are the ingredients in just one of several brands of soymilk normally found in health food stores, none of which contain the ingredients you mention. Edensoy: Purified Water, Organic Soybeans, Naturally Malted Organic Wheat and Barley Extract, Calcium Carbonate, Kombu Seaweed, Sea Salt, Vitamin E, Beta Carotene, Vitamin D2, Vitamin B-12 Genesa > > > > I may have extrapolated myself into illogic, but I'm wondering if > there is > > any valuable to switching our child from cow's milk to soy milk > fortified with > > calcium. > > > > My general thinking is that this would be more consistent with the > benefits > > of an Okinawan diet regimen. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 I buy Westsoy Unsweetened Soymilk. There are only 2 ingredients. Ingredients: Filtered water, whole organic soybeans Nutrition Facts Serving Size: 1 cup, 8 fl. Oz. (240mL) Servings Per Container: 4 Amount Per Serving Calories 90 Calories from Fat 40 % Daily Value* Total Fat 4.5g 7% Saturated Fat 0.5g 3% Polyunsaturated Fat 2.5g Monounsaturated Fat 1g Trans Fat 0g Cholesterol 0mg 0% Sodium 30mg 1% Potassium 300mg 9% Total Carb. 5g 2% Dietary Fiber 4g 17% Sugars 1g Protein 9g Vitamin A 0% " Vitamin C 0% Calcium 4% " Iron 10% http://www.westsoy.biz/products/product/1118.php truthseeker741 wrote: >Goodness Tony! Those ingredients are awful and you must obviously have been looking at soy milk in a regular grocery store?? Same with yogurt - your local grocer carries yogurt with all kinds of crap in it. > >Here are the ingredients in just one of several brands of soymilk >normally found in health food stores, none of which contain the >ingredients you mention. >Edensoy: Purified Water, Organic Soybeans, Naturally Malted Organic Wheat and Barley Extract, Calcium Carbonate, Kombu Seaweed, Sea Salt, Vitamin E, Beta Carotene, Vitamin D2, Vitamin B-12 > >Genesa > > > > >>The last time that I looked at the ingredients of soy milk, I got the impression that it was not much better than Coca-Cola: Soy solids, corn syrup solids, emulsifiers, etc. >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 I buy Westsoy Unsweetened Soymilk. There are only 2 ingredients. Ingredients: Filtered water, whole organic soybeans Nutrition Facts Serving Size: 1 cup, 8 fl. Oz. (240mL) Servings Per Container: 4 Amount Per Serving Calories 90 Calories from Fat 40 % Daily Value* Total Fat 4.5g 7% Saturated Fat 0.5g 3% Polyunsaturated Fat 2.5g Monounsaturated Fat 1g Trans Fat 0g Cholesterol 0mg 0% Sodium 30mg 1% Potassium 300mg 9% Total Carb. 5g 2% Dietary Fiber 4g 17% Sugars 1g Protein 9g Vitamin A 0% " Vitamin C 0% Calcium 4% " Iron 10% http://www.westsoy.biz/products/product/1118.php truthseeker741 wrote: >Goodness Tony! Those ingredients are awful and you must obviously have been looking at soy milk in a regular grocery store?? Same with yogurt - your local grocer carries yogurt with all kinds of crap in it. > >Here are the ingredients in just one of several brands of soymilk >normally found in health food stores, none of which contain the >ingredients you mention. >Edensoy: Purified Water, Organic Soybeans, Naturally Malted Organic Wheat and Barley Extract, Calcium Carbonate, Kombu Seaweed, Sea Salt, Vitamin E, Beta Carotene, Vitamin D2, Vitamin B-12 > >Genesa > > > > >>The last time that I looked at the ingredients of soy milk, I got the impression that it was not much better than Coca-Cola: Soy solids, corn syrup solids, emulsifiers, etc. >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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