Re: Whey CR effects

[Guest guest]

Sorry... " I " find it pretty hard to screw up. I recall that I threw away

my first batch because I thought it looked like it had gone bad,,, but

that's pretty much what Kefir is, only hopefully preferentially

dominated by the Kefir strain of whatever microbes are at work.

There are sundry kefir support websites that would surely be more

helpful than me and I have posted links in the past to where I got my

floater.

All I do is buy 1/2 gallon of 1% milk... pour into a seal able plastic

container, throw in the floater which holds starter Kefir grains, and

let it sit on the counter at room temperature until done (usually

overnight).

In between making batches I keep the starter/floater in a small

container of milk in refrigerator.

Once every several months I remove some of the extra kefir grains from

the floater as it gets clogged up, but this is about as much care as it

ever needs.

I blend in frozen berries and dash of sucralose,, 2 qts make 12-13

servings. Which I keep in refrigerator. Over time the curd and whey will

separate out. I like to eat the curd with a spoon and drink the whey but

some Kefir drinkers just shake it up and drink whole thing as a liquid.

Kefir is probably more like a thick shake than a pudding, like yogurt,,

but who knows what additives they may throw into yogurt to make a

consistent product ?

JR

Francesca Skelton wrote:

> While you may remember when I tried it last year. I screwed it up

> and I gave up.

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> on 12/9/2005 9:20 AM, at crjohnr@... wrote:

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> It is pretty common to hear of contamination problems with store bought

> sprouts while home grown sprouts are generally safer. Making Kefir is

> easy and AFAIK pretty difficult to screw up.

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[Guest guest]

It appears to me that probiotic stuff might be beneficial, I think some work needs to be done to find the right organisms. IMO, it has to be more than a solution to lactose intolerance, the bacteria have to offer some chemical conversions that prevent or cure cancer not just in the colon, because that problem is pretty well handled already.

I looked at this when Dean started it (last year?) and he has since dropped it so I think he thinks it's not a req't.

From what I've read today, I'm not sure I want to use yogurt anymore.

I had a doctor friend who suggested I use buttermilk, but since then Bmilk has gone the way of a lot of other stuff, and I more likely to make that especially if it had L.Helveticus.

http://www.adsa.org/jds/papers/97/ds971965.pdf#search='l%20helveticus'

Regards.

Re: [ ] Re: Whey CR effects

While you may remember when I tried it last year. I screwed it up and I gave up.on 12/9/2005 9:20 AM, at crjohnr@... wrote:

It is pretty common to hear of contamination problems with store bought sprouts while home grown sprouts are generally safer. Making Kefir iseasy and AFAIK pretty difficult to screw up.

[Guest guest]

It appears to me that probiotic stuff might be beneficial, I think some work needs to be done to find the right organisms. IMO, it has to be more than a solution to lactose intolerance, the bacteria have to offer some chemical conversions that prevent or cure cancer not just in the colon, because that problem is pretty well handled already.

I looked at this when Dean started it (last year?) and he has since dropped it so I think he thinks it's not a req't.

From what I've read today, I'm not sure I want to use yogurt anymore.

I had a doctor friend who suggested I use buttermilk, but since then Bmilk has gone the way of a lot of other stuff, and I more likely to make that especially if it had L.Helveticus.

http://www.adsa.org/jds/papers/97/ds971965.pdf#search='l%20helveticus'

Regards.

Re: [ ] Re: Whey CR effects

While you may remember when I tried it last year. I screwed it up and I gave up.on 12/9/2005 9:20 AM, at crjohnr@... wrote:

It is pretty common to hear of contamination problems with store bought sprouts while home grown sprouts are generally safer. Making Kefir iseasy and AFAIK pretty difficult to screw up.

[Guest guest]

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> From what I've read today, I'm not sure I want to use yogurt anymore.

What did you read that would prompt such a reconsideration of yogurt?

Thanks,

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[Guest guest]

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> From what I've read today, I'm not sure I want to use yogurt anymore.

What did you read that would prompt such a reconsideration of yogurt?

Thanks,

-

[Guest guest]

Check my post on fermented milk. ref:PREVENTION OF SYSTEMIC INFECTIONS

However, dysfunction of the gut mucosal barrier may result in the passage of large quantities of viable micro-organisms, usually belonging to Gram negative aerobic genera, which can disseminate throughout the body producing sepsis. Bacterial translocation and its complications have been shown to occur in several pathological conditions such as postoperative sepsis, severe acute pancreatitis, advanced liver cirrhosis, multisystem organ failure, etc.

When I look at why I might use fermented milk, I just can't get excited about it. Although I must admit I doubt how much "useful" bacteria gets thru the stomach's HCL.

One article claimed Ca absorption from plain milk was superior to fermented milks.

Regards.

Re: [ ] Re: Whey CR effects

While you may remember when I tried it last year. I screwed it up and I gave up.on 12/9/2005 9:20 AM, at crjohnr@... wrote:

It is pretty common to hear of contamination problems with store bought sprouts while home grown sprouts are generally safer. Making Kefir iseasy and AFAIK pretty difficult to screw up.

[Guest guest]

Check my post on fermented milk. ref:PREVENTION OF SYSTEMIC INFECTIONS

However, dysfunction of the gut mucosal barrier may result in the passage of large quantities of viable micro-organisms, usually belonging to Gram negative aerobic genera, which can disseminate throughout the body producing sepsis. Bacterial translocation and its complications have been shown to occur in several pathological conditions such as postoperative sepsis, severe acute pancreatitis, advanced liver cirrhosis, multisystem organ failure, etc.

When I look at why I might use fermented milk, I just can't get excited about it. Although I must admit I doubt how much "useful" bacteria gets thru the stomach's HCL.

One article claimed Ca absorption from plain milk was superior to fermented milks.

Regards.

Re: [ ] Re: Whey CR effects

While you may remember when I tried it last year. I screwed it up and I gave up.on 12/9/2005 9:20 AM, at crjohnr@... wrote:

It is pretty common to hear of contamination problems with store bought sprouts while home grown sprouts are generally safer. Making Kefir iseasy and AFAIK pretty difficult to screw up.