Guest guest Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Take a look at Tony Zamora's site: http://www.scientificpsychic.com/health/cholesterol.html [ ] Hegsted question The Hegsted equations for determining the change in blood cholesterolvalues are based on deltas in the consumption of different fats.Is it possible, using these equations, to determine an optimal ratioof lipid consumption? That is to say, is there a set of ratios forwhich no improvement can be made by changing a variable?I ask because the equations seem helpful, if you are intending to makechanges to your diet. But how best to evaluate the steady state?Thanks,- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Take a look at Tony Zamora's site: http://www.scientificpsychic.com/health/cholesterol.html [ ] Hegsted question The Hegsted equations for determining the change in blood cholesterolvalues are based on deltas in the consumption of different fats.Is it possible, using these equations, to determine an optimal ratioof lipid consumption? That is to say, is there a set of ratios forwhich no improvement can be made by changing a variable?I ask because the equations seem helpful, if you are intending to makechanges to your diet. But how best to evaluate the steady state?Thanks,- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 I have (and did again), but my point is that the Hegsted equations are expressed in deltas. So, it helps determine if there is a way to improve your diet via a change in the fat consumption ratios. My question is whether this implies there is a steady-state, best set of ratios from which this is no improvement possible based on these equations. - --- In , " jwwright " <jwwright@e...> wrote: > > Take a look at Tony Zamora's site: > http://www.scientificpsychic.com/health/cholesterol.html > > > [ ] Hegsted question > > > The Hegsted equations for determining the change in blood cholesterol > values are based on deltas in the consumption of different fats. > > Is it possible, using these equations, to determine an optimal ratio > of lipid consumption? That is to say, is there a set of ratios for > which no improvement can be made by changing a variable? > > I ask because the equations seem helpful, if you are intending to make > changes to your diet. But how best to evaluate the steady state? > > > Thanks, > - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 I have (and did again), but my point is that the Hegsted equations are expressed in deltas. So, it helps determine if there is a way to improve your diet via a change in the fat consumption ratios. My question is whether this implies there is a steady-state, best set of ratios from which this is no improvement possible based on these equations. - --- In , " jwwright " <jwwright@e...> wrote: > > Take a look at Tony Zamora's site: > http://www.scientificpsychic.com/health/cholesterol.html > > > [ ] Hegsted question > > > The Hegsted equations for determining the change in blood cholesterol > values are based on deltas in the consumption of different fats. > > Is it possible, using these equations, to determine an optimal ratio > of lipid consumption? That is to say, is there a set of ratios for > which no improvement can be made by changing a variable? > > I ask because the equations seem helpful, if you are intending to make > changes to your diet. But how best to evaluate the steady state? > > > Thanks, > - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 Yes they are deltas, which means if you're eating the wrong fat and shift to say the right safflower oil, your TC should change. But if you avoid all fat/oils and maybe use a little soy oil for essentials, or olive oil which is near neutral, you'll probably see no change if you switch to safflower oil. I don't know how to answer the best set of ratios question, other than the articles in comparing oils show some are better than others like sat fat, eg. I assume you're not involving the linoleic to linolenic ratio. Recognize the body makes/stores palmitate (16:0) from excess carbos. In burning, it removes 2 carbons at a cycle, reducing the molecule to 14, 12, 10, 8, 6, 4 finally 2. So if the body needed any of those for other purposes they are available, even if it's to raise TC. So excess carbo calories are the equiv of eating sat fats. Regards. [ ] Hegsted question> > > The Hegsted equations for determining the change in blood cholesterol> values are based on deltas in the consumption of different fats.> > Is it possible, using these equations, to determine an optimal ratio> of lipid consumption? That is to say, is there a set of ratios for> which no improvement can be made by changing a variable?> > I ask because the equations seem helpful, if you are intending to make> changes to your diet. But how best to evaluate the steady state?> > > Thanks,> -> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 Yes they are deltas, which means if you're eating the wrong fat and shift to say the right safflower oil, your TC should change. But if you avoid all fat/oils and maybe use a little soy oil for essentials, or olive oil which is near neutral, you'll probably see no change if you switch to safflower oil. I don't know how to answer the best set of ratios question, other than the articles in comparing oils show some are better than others like sat fat, eg. I assume you're not involving the linoleic to linolenic ratio. Recognize the body makes/stores palmitate (16:0) from excess carbos. In burning, it removes 2 carbons at a cycle, reducing the molecule to 14, 12, 10, 8, 6, 4 finally 2. So if the body needed any of those for other purposes they are available, even if it's to raise TC. So excess carbo calories are the equiv of eating sat fats. Regards. [ ] Hegsted question> > > The Hegsted equations for determining the change in blood cholesterol> values are based on deltas in the consumption of different fats.> > Is it possible, using these equations, to determine an optimal ratio> of lipid consumption? That is to say, is there a set of ratios for> which no improvement can be made by changing a variable?> > I ask because the equations seem helpful, if you are intending to make> changes to your diet. But how best to evaluate the steady state?> > > Thanks,> -> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 , The question that you are asking probably cannot be answered without greater knowledge than seems to be available now. The problem is similar to car carburetion where you try to optimize the air/fuel mixture for optimum performance, depending on whether your goal is better milage, greater acceleration, more towing power. However, the performance depends on intake pressure, exhaust pressure, temperature, etc. Human metabolism is a lot more complicated. The term " improve your diet " is completely ambiguous, since you have to know what the *goal* of the improvement is, e.g., bigger muscle size, greater endurance, better lipid profile, etc. Local optimizations may not result in global optimization or longevity. Bodybuilders have developed diets to reduce body fat just before a show. Tour de France riders consume special 6,000 calorie-diets during competition. If your goal is to have a lipid profile in the normal range, you basically have to experiment. You stop smoking, you lose some weight, you start exercising. Then *check* your cholesterol to see if you are on the right track. If your cholesterol is still high, you cut your saturated fats, cut your carbs, increase polyunsaturated fats, and increase your soluble fiber, following the principles of Hegsted, Mensink and Katan. Then *check* again. If your cholesterol is still high, you go to your doc to get Lipitor, and hope that you don't get rhabdomyolysis muscle disorder from it. Tony > > > > Take a look at Tony Zamora's site: > > http://www.scientificpsychic.com/health/cholesterol.html > > > > > > [ ] Hegsted question > > > > > > The Hegsted equations for determining the change in blood > cholesterol > > values are based on deltas in the consumption of different fats. > > > > Is it possible, using these equations, to determine an optimal > ratio > > of lipid consumption? That is to say, is there a set of ratios > for > > which no improvement can be made by changing a variable? > > > > I ask because the equations seem helpful, if you are intending to > make > > changes to your diet. But how best to evaluate the steady state? > > > > > > Thanks, > > - > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 , The question that you are asking probably cannot be answered without greater knowledge than seems to be available now. The problem is similar to car carburetion where you try to optimize the air/fuel mixture for optimum performance, depending on whether your goal is better milage, greater acceleration, more towing power. However, the performance depends on intake pressure, exhaust pressure, temperature, etc. Human metabolism is a lot more complicated. The term " improve your diet " is completely ambiguous, since you have to know what the *goal* of the improvement is, e.g., bigger muscle size, greater endurance, better lipid profile, etc. Local optimizations may not result in global optimization or longevity. Bodybuilders have developed diets to reduce body fat just before a show. Tour de France riders consume special 6,000 calorie-diets during competition. If your goal is to have a lipid profile in the normal range, you basically have to experiment. You stop smoking, you lose some weight, you start exercising. Then *check* your cholesterol to see if you are on the right track. If your cholesterol is still high, you cut your saturated fats, cut your carbs, increase polyunsaturated fats, and increase your soluble fiber, following the principles of Hegsted, Mensink and Katan. Then *check* again. If your cholesterol is still high, you go to your doc to get Lipitor, and hope that you don't get rhabdomyolysis muscle disorder from it. Tony > > > > Take a look at Tony Zamora's site: > > http://www.scientificpsychic.com/health/cholesterol.html > > > > > > [ ] Hegsted question > > > > > > The Hegsted equations for determining the change in blood > cholesterol > > values are based on deltas in the consumption of different fats. > > > > Is it possible, using these equations, to determine an optimal > ratio > > of lipid consumption? That is to say, is there a set of ratios > for > > which no improvement can be made by changing a variable? > > > > I ask because the equations seem helpful, if you are intending to > make > > changes to your diet. But how best to evaluate the steady state? > > > > > > Thanks, > > - > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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