Re: Re: Central Adiposity Measures

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However accurate, I don't accept the definition "risk factor". The fact my W/H is too high or low compare to others, does not sway me in the least. It is the result of looking at a lot of sickies because that's the data they have, and further they have not established a causal relationship.

So what is important in the body is how much "waste" weight we are carrying around? - maybe. But we may not be able to help that. I know a skinny guy who eats low calories and he's developing a waistline. His father was >350# before the MI, and lived to 62yo. Will he successfully avoid an MI by staying thin? Anything is a guess, so we say he has a lower "risk factor" for want of evidence. He might have an MI anyway, regardless of exercise, fasting, whatever.

I just don't think these anthrop measurements can "predict" what will happen. They are not "risk factors". They might be risk factors for CVD prone patients. They are precisely, associations in what people are and have experienced. I have no causal relationship necessarily.

And the exact relationships determined by the AHA might not apply to CRONies.

Regards.

[ ] Re: Central Adiposity Measures

BMI is weight over height*height. Basically it's a very roughcalculation of weight/body surface area. (Akin to the old physicsjoke, "Let's assume a spherical cow...")Thus I would expect BMI to be slightly more accurate than justweight/height(or waist/hip), but Jeff's correct- we should beconsidering all factors because of the limitations of each factor.Diane>> Let me pick a little bit. Recall that BMI is a math expression basedon the old insurance table. So BMI is related to weight and height.> So your waist/height and the other are just variations using thesame basic data. > > Does the BMI table say that some people have less aging? I think not. > It says they're a greater risk to the insurance company, meaninghigher mortality. > > And Rodney is just trying to find out if certain parameters arepeculiar to CRONies. > > Regards.>

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However accurate, I don't accept the definition "risk factor". The fact my W/H is too high or low compare to others, does not sway me in the least. It is the result of looking at a lot of sickies because that's the data they have, and further they have not established a causal relationship.

So what is important in the body is how much "waste" weight we are carrying around? - maybe. But we may not be able to help that. I know a skinny guy who eats low calories and he's developing a waistline. His father was >350# before the MI, and lived to 62yo. Will he successfully avoid an MI by staying thin? Anything is a guess, so we say he has a lower "risk factor" for want of evidence. He might have an MI anyway, regardless of exercise, fasting, whatever.

I just don't think these anthrop measurements can "predict" what will happen. They are not "risk factors". They might be risk factors for CVD prone patients. They are precisely, associations in what people are and have experienced. I have no causal relationship necessarily.

And the exact relationships determined by the AHA might not apply to CRONies.

Regards.

[ ] Re: Central Adiposity Measures

BMI is weight over height*height. Basically it's a very roughcalculation of weight/body surface area. (Akin to the old physicsjoke, "Let's assume a spherical cow...")Thus I would expect BMI to be slightly more accurate than justweight/height(or waist/hip), but Jeff's correct- we should beconsidering all factors because of the limitations of each factor.Diane>> Let me pick a little bit. Recall that BMI is a math expression basedon the old insurance table. So BMI is related to weight and height.> So your waist/height and the other are just variations using thesame basic data. > > Does the BMI table say that some people have less aging? I think not. > It says they're a greater risk to the insurance company, meaninghigher mortality. > > And Rodney is just trying to find out if certain parameters arepeculiar to CRONies. > > Regards.>