Guest guest Posted February 15, 2001 Report Share Posted February 15, 2001 Hi Moria, Thanks I really appreciate your e-mail, that helped out a lot and yes, I think that a cleanse would help also.....Tonya P.S. I really do believe with changing my diet fast and also a digestive system that does not breakdown protein good caused that pain. Dear Tonya, The pain you describe sounds like it might be " too high " to be your kidneys?? Side and chest don't sound really " kidney " to me, but you are the one who knows where the pain is.... In answer to your question: protein has breakdown products that are hard on the kidneys. People with kidney disease are usually told to eat a low protein diet. You can read all about this in books by McDougall MD or Diet for a New America by Robbins. They are both vegan diet proponents, and agree bout 98% on what a good diet consists of...... And cleansing would be a good idea whether or not these pains are from your kidneys... Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Hi All, See the below free full text pdf-available to all article pertaining to how our dietary protein level may affect kidney function. WF, Armstrong LE, NR. Dietary Protein Intake and Renal Function. Nutr Metab (Lond). 2005 Sep 20;2(1):25 [Epub ahead of print] PMID: 16174292 http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/pdf/1743-7075-2-25.pdf Recent trends in weight loss diets have led to a substantial increase in protein intake by individuals. As a result, the safety of habitually consuming dietary protein in excess of recommended intakes has been questioned. In particular, there is concern that high protein intake may promote renal damage by chronically increasing glomerular pressure and hyperfiltration. There is, however, a serious question as to whether there is significant evidence to support this relationship in healthy individuals. In fact, some studies suggest that hyperfiltration, the purported mechanism for renal damage, is a normal adaptative mechanism that occurs in response to several physiological conditions. This paper reviews the available evidence that increased dietary protein intake is a health concern in terms of the potential to initiate or promote renal disease. While protein restriction may be appropriate for treatment of existing kidney disease, we find no significant evidence for a detrimental effect of high protein intakes on kidney function in healthy persons after centuries of a high protein Western diet. Al Pater, PhD; email: old542000@... __________________________________ Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music./unlimited/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 That's right, Alobar; whey protein is not part of the " too much " protein warning because it was meant biologically to be the main source of protein and it does not have the same negative attributes that meat does. Duncan > > Barbara, actually there is an exception to the " high protein is bad " > > general rule; that being undenatured whey. This form of protein does > > not impose a kidney load. Babies live on a high protein diet of > > mother's milk because it is assimilated with almost no digestion. > > This makes it very appealing to anyone with compromised digestion or > > one who is ill and needs to gain weight, such as a cancer patient for > > example. Body builders use it to increase lean mass, and the elderly > > might use it for that in addition to maintaining organ size and > > function as one ages > > > > > > Duncan > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 That's right, Alobar; whey protein is not part of the " too much " protein warning because it was meant biologically to be the main source of protein and it does not have the same negative attributes that meat does. Duncan > > Barbara, actually there is an exception to the " high protein is bad " > > general rule; that being undenatured whey. This form of protein does > > not impose a kidney load. Babies live on a high protein diet of > > mother's milk because it is assimilated with almost no digestion. > > This makes it very appealing to anyone with compromised digestion or > > one who is ill and needs to gain weight, such as a cancer patient for > > example. Body builders use it to increase lean mass, and the elderly > > might use it for that in addition to maintaining organ size and > > function as one ages > > > > > > Duncan > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 And what are the negative attributes of meat? > > > Barbara, actually there is an exception to the " high protein is > bad " > > > general rule; that being undenatured whey. This form of protein > does > > > not impose a kidney load. Babies live on a high protein diet of > > > mother's milk because it is assimilated with almost no digestion. > > > This makes it very appealing to anyone with compromised > digestion or > > > one who is ill and needs to gain weight, such as a cancer > patient for > > > example. Body builders use it to increase lean mass, and the > elderly > > > might use it for that in addition to maintaining organ size and > > > function as one ages > > > > > > > > > Duncan > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 The main negative attribute of animal protein except whey (and milk) is primarily that it produces nitrogen loading in the kidneys, while whey does not produce appreciable loading. This is a systemic acidifying load that must be neutralized. Second, meat has lower biological value than undenatured whey, which means more energy is required to break it down while most of the whey in contrast is directly absorbed with no digestion. Duncan > > > > Barbara, actually there is an exception to the " high protein is > > bad " > > > > general rule; that being undenatured whey. This form of > protein > > does > > > > not impose a kidney load. Babies live on a high protein diet of > > > > mother's milk because it is assimilated with almost no > digestion. > > > > This makes it very appealing to anyone with compromised > > digestion or > > > > one who is ill and needs to gain weight, such as a cancer > > patient for > > > > example. Body builders use it to increase lean mass, and the > > elderly > > > > might use it for that in addition to maintaining organ size and > > > > function as one ages > > > > > > > > > > > > Duncan > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 Thanks, Duncan. Looks like whey fits into the Rosedale diet quite well. That makes me very happy. Normally I eat a 12 ounce burger, 3 or 4 days a week). Each burger contains 65.04 grams of protein. Alobar On 9/4/08, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote: > That's right, Alobar; whey protein is not part of the " too much " > protein warning because it was meant biologically to be the main > source of protein and it does not have the same negative attributes > that meat does. > > Duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2008 Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 What about the effect of lactase causing cataracts? sol Duncan Crow wrote: > The main negative attribute of animal protein except whey (and milk) > is primarily that it produces nitrogen loading in the kidneys, while > whey does not produce appreciable loading. This is a systemic > acidifying load that must be neutralized. Second, meat has lower > biological value than undenatured whey, which means more energy is > required to break it down while most of the whey in contrast is > directly absorbed with no digestion. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 My understanding is that the nitrogen load is caused by the breakdown of the protein for energy. If one consumes enough carbohydrates, the protein is broken down more slowly thereby decreasing the kidney load. Therefore, it's not just the kind of protein but also the quantity. Intake must be based on need. Regarding red meat and cholesterol, my total cholesterol is under 100. I think that is probably due to the amount of exercise I do each week. I work out quite frequently and find that my body responds best to protein from meat. If I do not consume red meat or fish daily, my muscle recovery time is much longer and it affects many other body systems as well. On the other hand, I also get daily protein from eggs, dairy and supplementing whey protein powder. I don't just eat meat. Balance is very important. Durfee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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