Guest guest Posted February 16, 1999 Report Share Posted February 16, 1999 Dear , This is the same thing I've experienced. I used to drink lots of milk and eat lots of cheese. Last week I bought a quiche and it laid me out. I speculate that my body is under assault from the RA and just can't compensate for bad foods like it used to do. After reading Dr. Mercola's postings about milk I never want to use it again--yuk, pus and blood. From: kellis solomon [mailto:docsol@...] Sent: Monday, February 15, 1999 4:30 PM APsupport Subject: rheumatic milk From: kellis solomon <docsol@...> Listers, I have been a heavy milk drinker from infancy. I stopped drinking milk for several weeks. I did not notice any difference with the RA. I had a glass of milk and immediately upon ingesting the milk, I began to have pain in my stomach and shoulders and collarbone. I went a few more weeks then tried another glass. I had stomach and abdominal pain that was unrelenting for 8 + hours. I began to wonder if I were hemorraghing to death after a decade of aspirin and pred. Does anybody know what is going on? After 50 years of milk, a few weeks off and I get pain. But it has neither increased nor decreased pain as far as I can tell. I'm really curious as to what is going on. Plus, I miss it. All I drink is water which I have never liked. I have to say though that Pepsi and other tonic does not taste good to me anymore. TIA NC ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 1999 Report Share Posted February 16, 1999 I have the same reaction to milk. YUCK! Md says its an allergy and that about 70% of the population is lactose intolerant. Root May God Bless you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 1999 Report Share Posted February 16, 1999 I buy something called Vitamite that is a milk substitute without lactose SC what are the price of these substitutes? where do you get them/ Root Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 1999 Report Share Posted February 16, 1999 Hi ! Geoff Crenshaw here. You wrote: << Listers, I have been a heavy milk drinker from infancy. I stopped drinking milk for several weeks. I did not notice any difference with the RA. I had a glass of milk and immediately upon ingesting the milk, I began to have pain in my stomach and shoulders and collarbone. I went a few more weeks then tried another glass. I had stomach and abdominal pain that was unrelenting for 8 + hours. I began to wonder if I were hemorraghing to death after a decade of aspirin and pred. Does anybody know what is going on? After 50 years of milk, a few weeks off and I get pain. But it has neither increased nor decreased pain as far as I can tell. I'm really curious as to what is going on. Plus, I miss it. All I drink is water which I have never liked. I have to say though that Pepsi and other tonic does not taste good to me anymore. >> This is a classic response to ceasing something you are allergic to. After stopping, the body becomes 'hypersensitive' for a time. You may not necessarily *feel* better off of dairy, but your body apparently is better off without it and is letting you know. If nothing else, that will free energy for your body to use elsewhere - as it no longer needs to battle the milk proteins, sugars, etc. HTH -- Regards, Geoff Crenshaw, ACC ---------------------- Managing Partner ** No Disclaimers ** Captain Cook's Cruise Center ---------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Over 3,000 daily cruise & tour specials > Top 5% of Web Sites http://www.800-800-cruise.com [specials] > Top 100 Travel Sites .. > Top Web Sites for Cruise tips New Zealanders http://www.800-800-cruise.com [tips] USA PH: 800-800-CRUIse PH: 559-636-8413 FAX:559-734-1420 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- geoff@... " Faith is not believing in spite of the evidence; it is obeying in spite of the consequence. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2003 Report Share Posted July 24, 2003 > Odwalla e coli scare (dumb since Odwalla is pasteurized juice, but > that seems to be what happened). Quick historical note: Odwalla was NOT pasteurized at the time (it is now) and it was not a scare but an actual outbreak. Ten cases linked to unpasteurized Odwalla juice. Lynn S. ----- Lynn Siprelle * Writer, Mother, Programmer, Fiber Artisan The New Homemaker: http://www.newhomemaker.com/ Siprelle & Associates: http://www.siprelle.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2003 Report Share Posted July 29, 2003 Lynn- AFAIK there proved to be convincing evidence that the outbreak had absolutely nothing to do with Odwalla. >Quick historical note: Odwalla was NOT pasteurized at the time (it is >now) and it was not a scare but an actual outbreak. Ten cases linked to >unpasteurized Odwalla juice. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2003 Report Share Posted July 29, 2003 > AFAIK there proved to be convincing evidence that the outbreak had > absolutely nothing to do with Odwalla. Interesting. The WA health dept pages on the outbreak still have the Odwalla information up. Lynn S. ----- Lynn Siprelle * Writer, Mother, Programmer, Fiber Artisan The New Homemaker: http://www.newhomemaker.com/ Siprelle & Associates: http://www.siprelle.com/ People-Powered ! http://www.deanforamerica.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2003 Report Share Posted August 3, 2003 Hmmm...well I do know one store that sells raw milk at retail, and it would difficult to describe the farm that supplies it as a grade A dairy. They are an *extremely* small operation to say the least, even though they are inspected. On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 23:25:55 -0000 " vonhoff2 " <jgv9@...> wrote: > It is only legal to sell raw milk in WA state from a Grade A dairy. > A Grade A dairy means jumping through gubbermint hoops, which means > more overhead, which means more cows, which means more milk, which > means needing a contract with a milk truck, which means selling > exclusively to the dairy. It's just not worth it for it to be > done " above board " in WA State. > > I would be interested in confirming whether the convent is still > actively selling raw milk on Shaw Island in the San Islands if > anyone knows first hand. > > jgv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 Are you free to share the retail op that sells milk in WA? You can e mail me privately if you prefer. A Grade A dairy only has to meet specific requirements and doesn't necessarily have to be big. I am pleasantly suprised that a WA farmer is willing to have the inspections and accept the risk that " people " would like to stick the raw milk farmer with. jgv > > > It is only legal to sell raw milk in WA state from a Grade A dairy. > > A Grade A dairy means jumping through gubbermint hoops, which means > > more overhead, which means more cows, which means more milk, which > > means needing a contract with a milk truck, which means selling > > exclusively to the dairy. It's just not worth it for it to be > > done " above board " in WA State. > > > > I would be interested in confirming whether the convent is still > > actively selling raw milk on Shaw Island in the San Islands if > > anyone knows first hand. > > > > jgv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 I will email you privately only because the milk goes so fast. But, this milk actually started out as a way to earn money for a high school boy. We use to be able to pick it up from the farm but no more after one inspection awhile back. There is another place in the same area that sells milk as pet food. I don't know how long this will last since the FDA has proposed regulations making it illegal to sell any raw pet food. It will put a number of folks out of business, most notably Peaceful Pastures. http://www/peacefulpastures.com On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 03:41:56 -0000 " jgvjgv9 " <jgv9@...> wrote: > Are you free to share the retail op that sells milk in WA? You can > e mail me privately if you prefer. > > A Grade A dairy only has to meet specific requirements and doesn't > necessarily have to be big. I am pleasantly suprised that a WA > farmer is willing to have the inspections and accept the risk > that " people " would like to stick the raw milk farmer with. > > jgv > > > > > > > It is only legal to sell raw milk in WA state from a Grade A > dairy. > > > A Grade A dairy means jumping through gubbermint hoops, which > means > > > more overhead, which means more cows, which means more milk, > which > > > means needing a contract with a milk truck, which means selling > > > exclusively to the dairy. It's just not worth it for it to be > > > done " above board " in WA State. > > > > > > I would be interested in confirming whether the convent is still > > > actively selling raw milk on Shaw Island in the San Islands > if > > > anyone knows first hand. > > > > > > jgv > " Humans live on one-quarter of what they eat; on the other three-quarters lives their doctor. " --Egyptian pyramid inscription, 3800 B.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 oops, wrote the website address incorrectly : http://www.peacefulpastures.com/ On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 22:48:12 -0700 slethnobotanist@... wrote: > There is another place in the same area that sells milk as pet food. I > don't know how long this will last since the FDA has proposed > regulations making it illegal to sell any raw pet food. > > It will put a number of folks out of business, most notably Peaceful > Pastures. http://www/peacefulpastures.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 Okay, I will back up. I tangled myself up and here's what I was thinking. The basic premise of the article was that breastfeeding is not always best, and then lots of studies of individual things showing that yes, breast milk can be compromised in each of the things studied, if the mother's nutrition is not the best. So far so good. But then the article says in conclusion, since all mother's milk is shown to not be guaranteed perfect, that one solution is formula that is " known good " for so many measures that we know of. (fat profile, vitamins, anything we can measure). That leap is what I have a problem with. I was/am vague and inarticulate - something along the lines of, a better solution is to put energy into the mom's nutrition where possible, because there are so many things we still don't understand about breast milk. All those studies are still pieces of the whole picture. Simply cobbling together a best-practices formula with our limited understanding is primitive compared to what the body can do if well-fed. Yes I know that's a belief system, not based on empirical studies, that " let your food be your medicine " and it is Luddite in this context of manufactured formula. And not to say that good formula can be very good when it works - for those among us who have been there. Connie > > Could you show me the article you peeked at? I went back in the > > thread and wasn't sure I was looking at the same one. > > The very article that you quoted. Deanna posted the link to it, > preceding the latter half of it that you had quoted. > > > But even without knowing if we're talking about the same study - if > > Right you are that my blanket condemnation was wrongly applied to > > this study, for the reasons you mention, However I might turn around > > and do a preemptive pooh-pooh at the idea of comparisons of singular > > endpoints being useful. Depends how singular. Most real world > > outcomes I'm interested in are multi variate also. > > That's not even sensible. There is no way to measure a complex of > endpoints (or " dependent variables " ). Any attempt to assimilate them > into a single " multivariate endpoint " would be a meaningless > abstraction. How on earth would you propose to invent such a > measurement? > > In any case, the article that you quoted and commented on cited > numerous studies that measured different endpoints, not a single > study. > > I'm not sure whether or not the above constitutes your " preemptive > pooh-pooh, " though perhaps you could look at the article you're > criticizing before the pooh-pooh? Since I can't conceive of any > possible alternative to the method of analysis that you're > pooh-poohing, it would help me understand your position if you offered > specific criticisms. > > Chris > -- > Want the other side of the cholesterol story? > Find out what your doctor isn't telling you: > http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 On 8/25/05, cbrown2008 <cbrown2008@...> wrote: > That leap is what I have a problem with. I was/am vague and > inarticulate - something along the lines of, a better solution is to > put energy into the mom's nutrition where possible, because there > are so many things we still don't understand about breast milk. I agree. > All > those studies are still pieces of the whole picture. Simply cobbling > together a best-practices formula with our limited understanding is > primitive compared to what the body can do if well-fed. Well I think the pieces are a decent indication of the whole picture. If a baby is more likely to have asthma, for example, that probably indicates a net reduction in total health. Chris -- Want the other side of the cholesterol story? Find out what your doctor isn't telling you: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Hi All, Milk is discussed in this issue of the journal, J Am Coll Nutr 2005. Dairy industry funding sources may influence. REVIEWS Dietary Protein: An Essential Nutrient For Bone Health Jean-Philippe Bonjour J Am Coll Nutr 2005. 24: 526S-536S. The Role of Dairy Foods in Weight Management B. Zemel J Am Coll Nutr 2005. 24: 537S-546S. Dietary calcium appears to play a pivotal role in the regulation of energy metabolism and obesity risk. High calcium diets attenuate body fat accumulation and weight gain during periods of over-consumption of an energy-dense diet and to increase fat breakdown and preserve metabolism during caloric restriction, thereby markedly accelerating weight and fat loss. This effect is mediated primarily by circulating calcitriol, which regulates adipocyte intracellular Ca2+. Studies of human adipocyte metabolism demonstrate a key role for intracellular Ca2+ in regulating lipid metabolism and triglyceride storage, with increased intracellular Ca2+ resulting in stimulation of lipogenic gene expression and lipogenesis and suppression of lipolysis, resulting in adipocyte lipid filling and increased adiposity. Moreover, the increased calcitriol produced in response to low calcium diets stimulates adipocyte Ca2+ influx and, consequently, promotes adiposity, while higher calcium diets inhibit lipogenesis, promote lipolysis, lipid oxidation and thermogenesis and inhibit diet-induced obesity in mice. Notably, dairy sources of calcium exert markedly greater effects in attenuating weight and fat gain and accelerating fat loss. This augmented effect of dairy products versus supplemental calcium has been localized, in part, to the whey fraction of dairy and is likely due to additional bioactive compounds, such as angiotensin converting enzyme (ACE) inhibitors in dairy, as well as the rich concentration of branched chain amino acids, which act synergistically with calcium to attenuate adiposity; however, these compounds do not fully account for the observed effects, as whey has significantly greater bioactivity than found in these compounds. These concepts are confirmed by epidemiological data as well as recent clinical trials which demonstrate that diets which include at least three daily servings of dairy products result in significant reductions in body fat mass in obese humans in the absence of caloric restriction and markedly accelerates the weight and body fat loss secondary to caloric restriction compared to low dairy diets. These data indicate an important role for dairy products in both the ability to maintain a healthy weight and the management of overweight and obesity. Milk Consumption Does Not Lead to Mucus Production or Occurrence of Asthma Brunello Wüthrich, andra Schmid, Barbara Walther, and Sieber J Am Coll Nutr 2005. 24: 547S-555S. Dairy Product Consumption and the Risk of Breast Cancer W. Parodi J Am Coll Nutr 2005. 24: 556S-568S. The Myth of Increased Lactose Intolerance in African-Americans G. Byers and Dennis A. Savaiano J Am Coll Nutr 2005. 24: 569S-573S. Newer Perspectives on Calcium Nutrition and Bone Quality P. Heaney and Connie M. Weaver J Am Coll Nutr 2005. 24: 574S-581S. Cow’s Milk Allergy: A Complex Disorder Ross G. Crittenden and Louise E. J Am Coll Nutr 2005. 24: 582S-591S. Al Pater, PhD; email: old542000@... __________________________________________ DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 Hi Joni, My son is 6 years old ,we are seeing Dr G from last year he was on gf cf after seeing him we started goat milk, his allergy levels are up all the time yesterday we spoke to Dr G he said the same keep the diet clean .we stopped goat milk a month back but substitued with soy,rice almond etc..i dont have have much choice of foods to feed him,in his allergy test it says to aviod rice peanut butter etc.. as you know Dr G diet restricts all starches,basically i dont know waht to feed him without causing him any immune reaction he still have dark circles under his eyes, my son is not verbal so icant make him understand see you are allergic to thi if he say only response we get is screming. What you will give in the morning instead of milk with breakfast? Waht is your choice of snacks? Anyway it's nice to know that your child is close to recovery. Thank you for sharing your story. Thanks, Anitha From: Jandjatindy@... Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 08:31:53 -0500 Subject: Milk I checked with Dr. Goldberg when I talked to him last week before I posted this. When we found out Jordan should not have dairy, we told her the whole family was allergic to it period. None of us ever had it again. Why? Because I always treated her like I knew she would recover. I knew when she was away from us it was to confusing with soy, goat,rice milk. She needed to know no dairy. It is to confusing to tell them no dairy, then substitute it. She is now close to full recovery, and I have heard her times over the years say " No thank you, I'm allergic to milk " . Joni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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