Re: Dietary protein and exercise have additive effects on body composition during weight loss in adult women.

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

Perhaps not.

" Support for this research was provided by the Illinois Council on Food and

Agricultural Research, National Cattlemen’s Beef Association, The Beef Board and

Kraft Foods. "

--- jwwright <jwwright@...> wrote:

> Perhaps?

>

> J Nutr. 2005 Aug;135(8):1903-10.

> Dietary protein and exercise have additive effects on body composition during

> weight loss in adult women.

> Layman DK, E, Baum JI, Seyler J, kson DJ, Boileau RA.

> PMID: 16046715

Al Pater, PhD; email: old542000@...

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[Guest guest]

Hi All,

Perhaps not.

" Support for this research was provided by the Illinois Council on Food and

Agricultural Research, National Cattlemen’s Beef Association, The Beef Board and

Kraft Foods. "

--- jwwright <jwwright@...> wrote:

> Perhaps?

>

> J Nutr. 2005 Aug;135(8):1903-10.

> Dietary protein and exercise have additive effects on body composition during

> weight loss in adult women.

> Layman DK, E, Baum JI, Seyler J, kson DJ, Boileau RA.

> PMID: 16046715

Al Pater, PhD; email: old542000@...

______________________________________________________

for Good

Donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.

http://store./redcross-donate3/

[Guest guest]

>> " Support for this research was provided by the Illinois Council on Food and

Agricultural Research, National Cattlemen's Beef Association, The Beef Board and

Kraft Foods. "

Some of us, were quick to dismiss a recent study on a low fat vegan diet cause

it was funded and done by PCRM.

Is this any better?

We shold be equally vigilant , or fair, in our accessments of studies,

especially if we think that funding sources or who did the study influences the

outcomes.

Regards

jeff

PS Clearly we need to meet our protein needs, and our EAA needs, and have

enough muscle to maintain functionality and QOL, but above and beyond that, Is

there a certain correlation between muscle mass, protein, etc and longevity that

I am missing?

[Guest guest]

>> " Support for this research was provided by the Illinois Council on Food and

Agricultural Research, National Cattlemen's Beef Association, The Beef Board and

Kraft Foods. "

Some of us, were quick to dismiss a recent study on a low fat vegan diet cause

it was funded and done by PCRM.

Is this any better?

We shold be equally vigilant , or fair, in our accessments of studies,

especially if we think that funding sources or who did the study influences the

outcomes.

Regards

jeff

PS Clearly we need to meet our protein needs, and our EAA needs, and have

enough muscle to maintain functionality and QOL, but above and beyond that, Is

there a certain correlation between muscle mass, protein, etc and longevity that

I am missing?

[Guest guest]

All, any comments about the original question?

Wasn't there a posting about lean mass increases forworkouts, but only when cholesterol was above a certain level. Was therea reference cited for this? I would like to read it in full. I also wonder howhigh, in everyday numbers, the cholesterol had to be.Thanks and I wish everyone caught in the hurricane the best,DonSeguin, Tx

RE: [ ] Dietary protein and exercise have additive effects on body composition during weight loss in adult women.

>>"Support for this research was provided by the Illinois Council on Food andAgricultural Research, National Cattlemen's Beef Association, The Beef Board andKraft Foods."Some of us, were quick to dismiss a recent study on a low fat vegan diet cause it was funded and done by PCRM. Is this any better?We shold be equally vigilant , or fair, in our accessments of studies, especially if we think that funding sources or who did the study influences the outcomes. RegardsjeffPS Clearly we need to meet our protein needs, and our EAA needs, and have enough muscle to maintain functionality and QOL, but above and beyond that, Is there a certain correlation between muscle mass, protein, etc and longevity that I am missing?

[Guest guest]

All, any comments about the original question?

Wasn't there a posting about lean mass increases forworkouts, but only when cholesterol was above a certain level. Was therea reference cited for this? I would like to read it in full. I also wonder howhigh, in everyday numbers, the cholesterol had to be.Thanks and I wish everyone caught in the hurricane the best,DonSeguin, Tx

RE: [ ] Dietary protein and exercise have additive effects on body composition during weight loss in adult women.

>>"Support for this research was provided by the Illinois Council on Food andAgricultural Research, National Cattlemen's Beef Association, The Beef Board andKraft Foods."Some of us, were quick to dismiss a recent study on a low fat vegan diet cause it was funded and done by PCRM. Is this any better?We shold be equally vigilant , or fair, in our accessments of studies, especially if we think that funding sources or who did the study influences the outcomes. RegardsjeffPS Clearly we need to meet our protein needs, and our EAA needs, and have enough muscle to maintain functionality and QOL, but above and beyond that, Is there a certain correlation between muscle mass, protein, etc and longevity that I am missing?

[Guest guest]

--- In , " Jeff Novick " <jnovick@p...>

wrote:

> PS Clearly we need to meet our protein needs, and our EAA needs,

and have enough muscle to maintain functionality and QOL, but above

and beyond that, Is there a certain correlation between muscle mass,

protein, etc and longevity that I am missing?

I too am interested in whether there is a muscle mass / longevity

correlation. Also, in this discussion of vegetarian (presented as

low protein) vs meat eaters (high protein), it should be pointed

out that high protein and vegetarianism are not mutually exclusive.

At least as I do it, which includes egg whites and dairy, I am able

to get 20% of my calories as protein on a vegetarian diet. Going

vegan might make that more difficult, at least on a CR diet, as

many of the non-lacto/ovo foods with high protein are also high

in calories (as in legumes).

-

[Guest guest]

--- In , " Jeff Novick " <jnovick@p...>

wrote:

> PS Clearly we need to meet our protein needs, and our EAA needs,

and have enough muscle to maintain functionality and QOL, but above

and beyond that, Is there a certain correlation between muscle mass,

protein, etc and longevity that I am missing?

I too am interested in whether there is a muscle mass / longevity

correlation. Also, in this discussion of vegetarian (presented as

low protein) vs meat eaters (high protein), it should be pointed

out that high protein and vegetarianism are not mutually exclusive.

At least as I do it, which includes egg whites and dairy, I am able

to get 20% of my calories as protein on a vegetarian diet. Going

vegan might make that more difficult, at least on a CR diet, as

many of the non-lacto/ovo foods with high protein are also high

in calories (as in legumes).

-

[Guest guest]

[ ] Re: Dietary protein and exercise have additive effects on body composition during weight loss in adult women. > PS Clearly we need to meet our protein needs, and our EAA needs, and have enough muscle to maintain functionality and QOL, but above and beyond that, Is there a certain correlation between muscle mass, protein, etc and longevity that I am missing?I too am interested in whether there is a muscle mass / longevitycorrelation. Also, in this discussion of vegetarian (presented aslow protein) vs meat eaters (high protein), it should be pointedout that high protein and vegetarianism are not mutually exclusive.At least as I do it, which includes egg whites and dairy, I am ableto get 20% of my calories as protein on a vegetarian diet.

--Strongly concur. Having been a vegetarian from 1977 through 2000, at which time I added occasional fish, I found no problems in adding muscle when I was so inclined while staying relatively trim with relatively little effort (probably a factor of the concommitant low fat quality of what I ate). Where it gets dicey is, as suggested, when veganism is pursued.

Maco

[Guest guest]

[ ] Re: Dietary protein and exercise have additive effects on body composition during weight loss in adult women. > PS Clearly we need to meet our protein needs, and our EAA needs, and have enough muscle to maintain functionality and QOL, but above and beyond that, Is there a certain correlation between muscle mass, protein, etc and longevity that I am missing?I too am interested in whether there is a muscle mass / longevitycorrelation. Also, in this discussion of vegetarian (presented aslow protein) vs meat eaters (high protein), it should be pointedout that high protein and vegetarianism are not mutually exclusive.At least as I do it, which includes egg whites and dairy, I am ableto get 20% of my calories as protein on a vegetarian diet.

--Strongly concur. Having been a vegetarian from 1977 through 2000, at which time I added occasional fish, I found no problems in adding muscle when I was so inclined while staying relatively trim with relatively little effort (probably a factor of the concommitant low fat quality of what I ate). Where it gets dicey is, as suggested, when veganism is pursued.

Maco