Re: nat'l geographic aging

[Guest guest]

jwwright wrote:

Has an

article one aging, includes Sardinia and Calif Adventists with the

Okies. Doesn't say much. I guess it stresses a plant based diet - lower

mortality.

It's on page

2, which actually about the 50th page. And the title on the cover and

the index and the actual page aren't the same.

Maybe it's

just me, but if there was an anti-aging message, I doubt they could

elucidate it.

Regards.

Just want to add that most Seven Day Adventists are not vegetarian. The

% is 40 to 60% depending on the congregation. Many Adventist

vegetarians are quite over weight. This might indicate that the

benefits of this diet are greater than stated.

Positive Dennis

[Guest guest]

jwwright wrote:

Has an

article one aging, includes Sardinia and Calif Adventists with the

Okies. Doesn't say much. I guess it stresses a plant based diet - lower

mortality.

It's on page

2, which actually about the 50th page. And the title on the cover and

the index and the actual page aren't the same.

Maybe it's

just me, but if there was an anti-aging message, I doubt they could

elucidate it.

Regards.

Just want to add that most Seven Day Adventists are not vegetarian. The

% is 40 to 60% depending on the congregation. Many Adventist

vegetarians are quite over weight. This might indicate that the

benefits of this diet are greater than stated.

Positive Dennis

[Guest guest]

Yes, it is my impression there are few true vegetarians, even among Hindus, etc. Where the three groups overlapped was all didn't smoke, put family first, active every day, socially engaged, eat fruits, vegetables and whole grains.

But many people do the same, and I don't think centenarians are characterized by those criteria necessarily.

The thing that was common, I thought, amongst the three groups is they are farmers - outdoor workers - raise their own food. And in that regard they don't build high rise buildings and all the tasks and stress that goes with it.

Being retired, I can get up when I want, garden what I want and I can see there are benefits to being out of the stressful life.

Things like that cannot be quantized in a model, or I should say I can't see how to quantize because I have no data on the stress/aging association.

I have always tended to be laid back when it came to stress. I hate schedules, and I get up when I want, dress the way I want, eat the way I want, etc.

Everyone should recognize that the individual is the one who accepts stress, except maybe in time of war, climatic event.

My second job, was the Atlas ICBM, and we worked 7 -12s for months to get it complete, and as I went to the next site, they were making plans to tear down what was built. That impressed me that schedules are BS.

Procrastination saves time.

Now I say, don't do today what I can do tomorrow.

Don't fertilize grass so you can mow it and trim it, and edge it.

Don't cut grass that will die from drought anyway.

We plant a good grass, bahia, along thousands of miles of highway and we don't graze it - at least it's a good grass that mostly takes care of itself. But driven types will plant a diff pasture grass that won't stand the drought and complain when mother nature doesn't comply.

Driven types try to get more out of the land then it will produce over time, and even expect to increase production by 10% each year. It's this fight with the environment that stresses people I think.

I try to get papaya trees to grow where they freeze, but I use a diff approach. I figure there is a papaya seed out there somewhere that WILL learn to grow here, so I plant thousands of seeds. Last year I planted hundreds and 2 lived until we had an unusual freeze. One came back, but it needs a female to pollinate. So this year I planted every seed of every papaya I bought and I have many hundred growing. Sooner or later there will papayas in Pork county.

I put stress on them - grow or die.

But I don't stress myself - it's just an experiment, as is CR.

We just have to learn how to do it. I'm 70 and I figure I've got at least 20 yrs to figure it out. Moderate - don't make it a stress event.

Regards.

Re: [ ] nat'l geographic aging

jwwright wrote:

Has an article one aging, includes Sardinia and Calif Adventists with the Okies. Doesn't say much. I guess it stresses a plant based diet - lower mortality.

It's on page 2, which actually about the 50th page. And the title on the cover and the index and the actual page aren't the same.

Maybe it's just me, but if there was an anti-aging message, I doubt they could elucidate it.

Regards.Just want to add that most Seven Day Adventists are not vegetarian. The % is 40 to 60% depending on the congregation. Many Adventist vegetarians are quite over weight. This might indicate that the benefits of this diet are greater than stated.Positive Dennis

[Guest guest]

Yes, it is my impression there are few true vegetarians, even among Hindus, etc. Where the three groups overlapped was all didn't smoke, put family first, active every day, socially engaged, eat fruits, vegetables and whole grains.

But many people do the same, and I don't think centenarians are characterized by those criteria necessarily.

The thing that was common, I thought, amongst the three groups is they are farmers - outdoor workers - raise their own food. And in that regard they don't build high rise buildings and all the tasks and stress that goes with it.

Being retired, I can get up when I want, garden what I want and I can see there are benefits to being out of the stressful life.

Things like that cannot be quantized in a model, or I should say I can't see how to quantize because I have no data on the stress/aging association.

I have always tended to be laid back when it came to stress. I hate schedules, and I get up when I want, dress the way I want, eat the way I want, etc.

Everyone should recognize that the individual is the one who accepts stress, except maybe in time of war, climatic event.

My second job, was the Atlas ICBM, and we worked 7 -12s for months to get it complete, and as I went to the next site, they were making plans to tear down what was built. That impressed me that schedules are BS.

Procrastination saves time.

Now I say, don't do today what I can do tomorrow.

Don't fertilize grass so you can mow it and trim it, and edge it.

Don't cut grass that will die from drought anyway.

We plant a good grass, bahia, along thousands of miles of highway and we don't graze it - at least it's a good grass that mostly takes care of itself. But driven types will plant a diff pasture grass that won't stand the drought and complain when mother nature doesn't comply.

Driven types try to get more out of the land then it will produce over time, and even expect to increase production by 10% each year. It's this fight with the environment that stresses people I think.

I try to get papaya trees to grow where they freeze, but I use a diff approach. I figure there is a papaya seed out there somewhere that WILL learn to grow here, so I plant thousands of seeds. Last year I planted hundreds and 2 lived until we had an unusual freeze. One came back, but it needs a female to pollinate. So this year I planted every seed of every papaya I bought and I have many hundred growing. Sooner or later there will papayas in Pork county.

I put stress on them - grow or die.

But I don't stress myself - it's just an experiment, as is CR.

We just have to learn how to do it. I'm 70 and I figure I've got at least 20 yrs to figure it out. Moderate - don't make it a stress event.

Regards.

Re: [ ] nat'l geographic aging

jwwright wrote:

Has an article one aging, includes Sardinia and Calif Adventists with the Okies. Doesn't say much. I guess it stresses a plant based diet - lower mortality.

It's on page 2, which actually about the 50th page. And the title on the cover and the index and the actual page aren't the same.

Maybe it's just me, but if there was an anti-aging message, I doubt they could elucidate it.

Regards.Just want to add that most Seven Day Adventists are not vegetarian. The % is 40 to 60% depending on the congregation. Many Adventist vegetarians are quite over weight. This might indicate that the benefits of this diet are greater than stated.Positive Dennis

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

The thing that was common, I thought, among all centenarians was that they were

born

99+ years ago when almost everyone were farmers, worked outdoors and raised

their

own food.

--- jwwright <jwwright@...> wrote:

> I don't think centenarians are characterized by

> those criteria necessarily.

>

> The thing that was common, I thought, amongst the three groups is they are

farmers

> - outdoor workers - raise their own food.

Al Pater, PhD; email: old542000@...

__________________________________

- PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005

http://mail.

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

The thing that was common, I thought, among all centenarians was that they were

born

99+ years ago when almost everyone were farmers, worked outdoors and raised

their

own food.

--- jwwright <jwwright@...> wrote:

> I don't think centenarians are characterized by

> those criteria necessarily.

>

> The thing that was common, I thought, amongst the three groups is they are

farmers

> - outdoor workers - raise their own food.

Al Pater, PhD; email: old542000@...

__________________________________

- PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005

http://mail.

[Guest guest]

I heard on TV once that 86% were involved in farming < 1900. Of course in the next years, maybe 1930 a large shift had occurred to the cities. I don't know the exact numbers, but I recall <15% today, and that may be because we buy a lot of foreign foods.

It may be true, but farming or raising animals does not convey longer life, maybe due to exposure to chemicals, manure spores, etc. And manual labor doesn't do it either. Always have to look at the number to start and those remaining which is not possible.

Still, according to census records and SS records, we have a large and growing number of centenarians today.

Even when I was growing up, many people had gardens or raised animals. Notably, my neighbor who raised plants to sell, worked hard, died of cancer rel young - maybe pesticides. I'm bothered by the new and smelly cleaning fluids in the home which carry no labeling. These are organic chemicals, I believe, and I'd just as soon not use organic stuff to breathe.

In NC, there's a higher incidence of prostate cancer amongst farmers.

Regards.

Re: [ ] nat'l geographic aging

Hi All,The thing that was common, I thought, among all centenarians was that they were born99+ years ago when almost everyone were farmers, worked outdoors and raised theirown food.--- jwwright <jwwright@...> wrote:> I don't think centenarians are characterized by> those criteria necessarily.> > The thing that was common, I thought, amongst the three groups is they are farmers> - outdoor workers - raise their own food.Al Pater, PhD; email: old542000@...

[Guest guest]

I heard on TV once that 86% were involved in farming < 1900. Of course in the next years, maybe 1930 a large shift had occurred to the cities. I don't know the exact numbers, but I recall <15% today, and that may be because we buy a lot of foreign foods.

It may be true, but farming or raising animals does not convey longer life, maybe due to exposure to chemicals, manure spores, etc. And manual labor doesn't do it either. Always have to look at the number to start and those remaining which is not possible.

Still, according to census records and SS records, we have a large and growing number of centenarians today.

Even when I was growing up, many people had gardens or raised animals. Notably, my neighbor who raised plants to sell, worked hard, died of cancer rel young - maybe pesticides. I'm bothered by the new and smelly cleaning fluids in the home which carry no labeling. These are organic chemicals, I believe, and I'd just as soon not use organic stuff to breathe.

In NC, there's a higher incidence of prostate cancer amongst farmers.

Regards.

Re: [ ] nat'l geographic aging

Hi All,The thing that was common, I thought, among all centenarians was that they were born99+ years ago when almost everyone were farmers, worked outdoors and raised theirown food.--- jwwright <jwwright@...> wrote:> I don't think centenarians are characterized by> those criteria necessarily.> > The thing that was common, I thought, amongst the three groups is they are farmers> - outdoor workers - raise their own food.Al Pater, PhD; email: old542000@...