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They will be forced to use something that doesn't spoil easily or not produce the product.

Wieners are a remarkable product, eg, so much salt and stuff that it couldn't spoil if it wanted to. What is remarkable to me is the non fat wienies have the same protein per same size wienie, like 5 gms. How do they do that without fillers? Must be more water. Well it's only 14 gms of water in place of the fat.

And they cost more. Weinies can vary in price from 0.78 to 3.79 per pkg, usually 12 oz.

I wonder what part of the beef, turkey, pork and/or chicken they put in there?

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They will be forced to use something that doesn't spoil easily or not produce the product.

Wieners are a remarkable product, eg, so much salt and stuff that it couldn't spoil if it wanted to. What is remarkable to me is the non fat wienies have the same protein per same size wienie, like 5 gms. How do they do that without fillers? Must be more water. Well it's only 14 gms of water in place of the fat.

And they cost more. Weinies can vary in price from 0.78 to 3.79 per pkg, usually 12 oz.

I wonder what part of the beef, turkey, pork and/or chicken they put in there?

Regards.

[ ] Palm oil ‘reasonable’ replacement for trans fats, say experts

Palm oil is a prime candidate to replace transfats. Read your labels carefully...http://tinyurl.com/anzxaMike

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>>Palm oil is a prime candidate to replace transfats. Read your labels

carefully...

I just wrote this on Palm Oil..

The Oiling Of America: Bye Bye Trans Fat, Hello Palm Oil!

Responding to the Food and Drug Administration's order to disclose the

amount of unhealthy trans fats on food labels by January 2006, food

companies are racing to get rid of trans fats in their products. There

are now, for example, " trans-fat-free " Oreos, Fritos, and Cocoa Puffs.

While many think this may be good news, its not.

The bad news: Many companies are replacing trans fats with palm oils and

other high-in-saturated-fat tropical oils that are almost as

heart-damaging as trans fats. Kraft, for instance, is using palm oil for

the filling in its three trans-fat-free Oreo cookie varieties, reported

The New York Times in February.

Yes, Trans Fats Are the Worst Kind Of Fat

Trans fats are man-made fats that were originally liquid oils but

through hydrogenation (adding hydrogen to vegetable oils) become solid.

In ingredient lists, foods with trans fats are usually listed as having

" partially hydrogenated vegetable oils " like soybean, cottonseed, or

canola. Numerous studies are now finding that trans fats not only raise

LDL bad cholesterol but also lower HDL good cholesterol, prompting

scientists nationwide to deride them as the worst kind of fat.

But Palm Oil Is a Horrible Alternative

But replacing them with palm oil and other tropical oils like coconut

oil and palm kernel oil? " This is nuts! " " All these tropical oils are

highly saturated fats. Like butter, cheese, and meat, tropical oils

raise LDL cholesterol and clog arteries with plaque, increasing your

risk of a heart attack. "

Coconut oil is getting promoted on the web, internet and even the health

food industry, saying its healthy because most of its fat is made up of

" medium " chain fatty acids (MCT), which are metabolized differently.

Yes, it is true that a small portion of coconut oil is MCT (C-6 to C-10

fatty acids) and these do get oxidized more quickly and appear less

fattening than LCT and also appear to have little impact on LDL-C

levels. However, because the vast majority of saturated fatty acids in

cocnut oil are the longer cain fatty acids, C-12 to C-16 (Lauric,

myristic and palmitic acids) it does in fact elevate LDL-C. " In fact,

tropical oils can have more cholesterol-raising saturated fat than even

butter. Coconut oil is 92% saturated, making it more saturated than

butter, beef tallow, or even lard. Palm oil, though it contain less

saturated fat (50%), is full of a type of saturated fat, palmitic acid,

which appears to be most conducive to heart disease. Because of cocnut

oils extremely high saturated fat content, it will elevate LDL-C more

than just about any other fat. You just can't believe everything you

read on the internet.

In addition, the coconut oil industry likes to point out that the

traditional Polynesian diet - high in tropical oils like coconut - is

linked with relatively low rates of heart disease.

However, it's important to remember that heart disease involves several

variables, Yes, studies of people on traditional Polynesian diets have

found that they have relatively low rates from heart disease despite

very high LDL cholesterol levels, but other aspects of their native

lifestyle are very healthful, and probably help counteract the

cholesterol-raising effect of the coconut fat. Their traditional diet,

for example, is very high in dietary fiber and heart-healthy omega 3

fatty acids, and very low in sodium. Historically, native Polynesians

also tended to be nonsmokers, and were physically very active.

All these factors would certainly promote heart health.

Artery Cloggers

Ironically, it was health concerns over tropical oils in the 1980s that

helped spur food manufacturers to use more trans fats in the first

place. Now we're going BACK to tropical oils?. We're trading one

artery-clogger for another?!

Also outraged are nonprofit organizations, like Center for Science in

the Public Interest (CSPI) in Washington, D.C., which complained to the

FDA in August that some food labels, specifically Newman's Own, are

leading Americans to believe that palm oil is significantly more

healthful than trans fats. CSPI urged the FDA to halt the deceptive

labeling.

" The fact that palm oil isn't quite as bad as the absolute worst fat

[trans fats] shouldn't give food marketers carte blanche to portray it

as some kind of health food, " said CSPI Executive Director

son, PhD, in a press statement.

What To Do:

Go straight to the ingredient list. Steer clear of any product that

contains partially hydrogenated oils and/or lists trans fats on the

label as well as those containing tropical oils like coconut oil, palm

kernel oil, or palm oil. Both trans fats and tropical oils are bad news

for your heart, just like butter, lard, and beef tallow.

Take political action. Write your congressmen and senators, urging them

to press the FDA to crack down on claims that trick consumers into

thinking that palm oils and other tropical oils are health foods, when

in fact they are high in saturated fats that promote heart disease.

Or go straight to the FDA at www.fda.gov or:

Food and Drug Administration

5600 Fishers Lane Room 14-71

Rockville, MD 20857

Let's nip this one before we're " back to the future. "

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>>Palm oil is a prime candidate to replace transfats. Read your labels

carefully...

I just wrote this on Palm Oil..

The Oiling Of America: Bye Bye Trans Fat, Hello Palm Oil!

Responding to the Food and Drug Administration's order to disclose the

amount of unhealthy trans fats on food labels by January 2006, food

companies are racing to get rid of trans fats in their products. There

are now, for example, " trans-fat-free " Oreos, Fritos, and Cocoa Puffs.

While many think this may be good news, its not.

The bad news: Many companies are replacing trans fats with palm oils and

other high-in-saturated-fat tropical oils that are almost as

heart-damaging as trans fats. Kraft, for instance, is using palm oil for

the filling in its three trans-fat-free Oreo cookie varieties, reported

The New York Times in February.

Yes, Trans Fats Are the Worst Kind Of Fat

Trans fats are man-made fats that were originally liquid oils but

through hydrogenation (adding hydrogen to vegetable oils) become solid.

In ingredient lists, foods with trans fats are usually listed as having

" partially hydrogenated vegetable oils " like soybean, cottonseed, or

canola. Numerous studies are now finding that trans fats not only raise

LDL bad cholesterol but also lower HDL good cholesterol, prompting

scientists nationwide to deride them as the worst kind of fat.

But Palm Oil Is a Horrible Alternative

But replacing them with palm oil and other tropical oils like coconut

oil and palm kernel oil? " This is nuts! " " All these tropical oils are

highly saturated fats. Like butter, cheese, and meat, tropical oils

raise LDL cholesterol and clog arteries with plaque, increasing your

risk of a heart attack. "

Coconut oil is getting promoted on the web, internet and even the health

food industry, saying its healthy because most of its fat is made up of

" medium " chain fatty acids (MCT), which are metabolized differently.

Yes, it is true that a small portion of coconut oil is MCT (C-6 to C-10

fatty acids) and these do get oxidized more quickly and appear less

fattening than LCT and also appear to have little impact on LDL-C

levels. However, because the vast majority of saturated fatty acids in

cocnut oil are the longer cain fatty acids, C-12 to C-16 (Lauric,

myristic and palmitic acids) it does in fact elevate LDL-C. " In fact,

tropical oils can have more cholesterol-raising saturated fat than even

butter. Coconut oil is 92% saturated, making it more saturated than

butter, beef tallow, or even lard. Palm oil, though it contain less

saturated fat (50%), is full of a type of saturated fat, palmitic acid,

which appears to be most conducive to heart disease. Because of cocnut

oils extremely high saturated fat content, it will elevate LDL-C more

than just about any other fat. You just can't believe everything you

read on the internet.

In addition, the coconut oil industry likes to point out that the

traditional Polynesian diet - high in tropical oils like coconut - is

linked with relatively low rates of heart disease.

However, it's important to remember that heart disease involves several

variables, Yes, studies of people on traditional Polynesian diets have

found that they have relatively low rates from heart disease despite

very high LDL cholesterol levels, but other aspects of their native

lifestyle are very healthful, and probably help counteract the

cholesterol-raising effect of the coconut fat. Their traditional diet,

for example, is very high in dietary fiber and heart-healthy omega 3

fatty acids, and very low in sodium. Historically, native Polynesians

also tended to be nonsmokers, and were physically very active.

All these factors would certainly promote heart health.

Artery Cloggers

Ironically, it was health concerns over tropical oils in the 1980s that

helped spur food manufacturers to use more trans fats in the first

place. Now we're going BACK to tropical oils?. We're trading one

artery-clogger for another?!

Also outraged are nonprofit organizations, like Center for Science in

the Public Interest (CSPI) in Washington, D.C., which complained to the

FDA in August that some food labels, specifically Newman's Own, are

leading Americans to believe that palm oil is significantly more

healthful than trans fats. CSPI urged the FDA to halt the deceptive

labeling.

" The fact that palm oil isn't quite as bad as the absolute worst fat

[trans fats] shouldn't give food marketers carte blanche to portray it

as some kind of health food, " said CSPI Executive Director

son, PhD, in a press statement.

What To Do:

Go straight to the ingredient list. Steer clear of any product that

contains partially hydrogenated oils and/or lists trans fats on the

label as well as those containing tropical oils like coconut oil, palm

kernel oil, or palm oil. Both trans fats and tropical oils are bad news

for your heart, just like butter, lard, and beef tallow.

Take political action. Write your congressmen and senators, urging them

to press the FDA to crack down on claims that trick consumers into

thinking that palm oils and other tropical oils are health foods, when

in fact they are high in saturated fats that promote heart disease.

Or go straight to the FDA at www.fda.gov or:

Food and Drug Administration

5600 Fishers Lane Room 14-71

Rockville, MD 20857

Let's nip this one before we're " back to the future. "

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Perhaps more than reasonable? Some interesting thoughts on the

possibility of assigning another role for cholesterol, MCT and the

protective qualities of coconut oil as evidenced by the low incidence

of CHD in populations where it is used.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstra\

ct & list_uids=3519928 & itool=iconabstr & query_hl=5

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstra\

ct & list_uids=3060695 & itool=iconabstr & query_hl=5

>

> >>Palm oil is a prime candidate to replace transfats. Read your labels

> carefully...

>

> I just wrote this on Palm Oil..

>

> The Oiling Of America: Bye Bye Trans Fat, Hello Palm Oil!

>

> Responding to the Food and Drug Administration's order to disclose the

> amount of unhealthy trans fats on food labels by January 2006, food

> companies are racing to get rid of trans fats in their products. There

> are now, for example, " trans-fat-free " Oreos, Fritos, and Cocoa Puffs.

>

> While many think this may be good news, its not.

>

> The bad news: Many companies are replacing trans fats with palm oils and

> other high-in-saturated-fat tropical oils that are almost as

> heart-damaging as trans fats. Kraft, for instance, is using palm oil for

> the filling in its three trans-fat-free Oreo cookie varieties, reported

> The New York Times in February.

>

> Yes, Trans Fats Are the Worst Kind Of Fat

>

> Trans fats are man-made fats that were originally liquid oils but

> through hydrogenation (adding hydrogen to vegetable oils) become solid.

> In ingredient lists, foods with trans fats are usually listed as having

> " partially hydrogenated vegetable oils " like soybean, cottonseed, or

> canola. Numerous studies are now finding that trans fats not only raise

> LDL bad cholesterol but also lower HDL good cholesterol, prompting

> scientists nationwide to deride them as the worst kind of fat.

>

> But Palm Oil Is a Horrible Alternative

>

> But replacing them with palm oil and other tropical oils like coconut

> oil and palm kernel oil? " This is nuts! " " All these tropical oils are

> highly saturated fats. Like butter, cheese, and meat, tropical oils

> raise LDL cholesterol and clog arteries with plaque, increasing your

> risk of a heart attack. "

>

> Coconut oil is getting promoted on the web, internet and even the health

> food industry, saying its healthy because most of its fat is made up of

> " medium " chain fatty acids (MCT), which are metabolized differently.

> Yes, it is true that a small portion of coconut oil is MCT (C-6 to C-10

> fatty acids) and these do get oxidized more quickly and appear less

> fattening than LCT and also appear to have little impact on LDL-C

> levels. However, because the vast majority of saturated fatty acids in

> cocnut oil are the longer cain fatty acids, C-12 to C-16 (Lauric,

> myristic and palmitic acids) it does in fact elevate LDL-C. " In fact,

> tropical oils can have more cholesterol-raising saturated fat than even

> butter. Coconut oil is 92% saturated, making it more saturated than

> butter, beef tallow, or even lard. Palm oil, though it contain less

> saturated fat (50%), is full of a type of saturated fat, palmitic acid,

> which appears to be most conducive to heart disease. Because of cocnut

> oils extremely high saturated fat content, it will elevate LDL-C more

> than just about any other fat. You just can't believe everything you

> read on the internet.

>

> In addition, the coconut oil industry likes to point out that the

> traditional Polynesian diet - high in tropical oils like coconut - is

> linked with relatively low rates of heart disease.

>

> However, it's important to remember that heart disease involves several

> variables, Yes, studies of people on traditional Polynesian diets have

> found that they have relatively low rates from heart disease despite

> very high LDL cholesterol levels, but other aspects of their native

> lifestyle are very healthful, and probably help counteract the

> cholesterol-raising effect of the coconut fat. Their traditional diet,

> for example, is very high in dietary fiber and heart-healthy omega 3

> fatty acids, and very low in sodium. Historically, native Polynesians

> also tended to be nonsmokers, and were physically very active.

> All these factors would certainly promote heart health.

>

> Artery Cloggers

>

> Ironically, it was health concerns over tropical oils in the 1980s that

> helped spur food manufacturers to use more trans fats in the first

> place. Now we're going BACK to tropical oils?. We're trading one

> artery-clogger for another?!

>

> Also outraged are nonprofit organizations, like Center for Science in

> the Public Interest (CSPI) in Washington, D.C., which complained to the

> FDA in August that some food labels, specifically Newman's Own, are

> leading Americans to believe that palm oil is significantly more

> healthful than trans fats. CSPI urged the FDA to halt the deceptive

> labeling.

>

> " The fact that palm oil isn't quite as bad as the absolute worst fat

> [trans fats] shouldn't give food marketers carte blanche to portray it

> as some kind of health food, " said CSPI Executive Director

> son, PhD, in a press statement.

>

>

> What To Do:

>

> Go straight to the ingredient list. Steer clear of any product that

> contains partially hydrogenated oils and/or lists trans fats on the

> label as well as those containing tropical oils like coconut oil, palm

> kernel oil, or palm oil. Both trans fats and tropical oils are bad news

> for your heart, just like butter, lard, and beef tallow.

>

> Take political action. Write your congressmen and senators, urging them

> to press the FDA to crack down on claims that trick consumers into

> thinking that palm oils and other tropical oils are health foods, when

> in fact they are high in saturated fats that promote heart disease.

>

> Or go straight to the FDA at www.fda.gov or:

>

> Food and Drug Administration

> 5600 Fishers Lane Room 14-71

> Rockville, MD 20857

>

> Let's nip this one before we're " back to the future. "

>

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Perhaps more than reasonable? Some interesting thoughts on the

possibility of assigning another role for cholesterol, MCT and the

protective qualities of coconut oil as evidenced by the low incidence

of CHD in populations where it is used.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstra\

ct & list_uids=3519928 & itool=iconabstr & query_hl=5

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstra\

ct & list_uids=3060695 & itool=iconabstr & query_hl=5

>

> >>Palm oil is a prime candidate to replace transfats. Read your labels

> carefully...

>

> I just wrote this on Palm Oil..

>

> The Oiling Of America: Bye Bye Trans Fat, Hello Palm Oil!

>

> Responding to the Food and Drug Administration's order to disclose the

> amount of unhealthy trans fats on food labels by January 2006, food

> companies are racing to get rid of trans fats in their products. There

> are now, for example, " trans-fat-free " Oreos, Fritos, and Cocoa Puffs.

>

> While many think this may be good news, its not.

>

> The bad news: Many companies are replacing trans fats with palm oils and

> other high-in-saturated-fat tropical oils that are almost as

> heart-damaging as trans fats. Kraft, for instance, is using palm oil for

> the filling in its three trans-fat-free Oreo cookie varieties, reported

> The New York Times in February.

>

> Yes, Trans Fats Are the Worst Kind Of Fat

>

> Trans fats are man-made fats that were originally liquid oils but

> through hydrogenation (adding hydrogen to vegetable oils) become solid.

> In ingredient lists, foods with trans fats are usually listed as having

> " partially hydrogenated vegetable oils " like soybean, cottonseed, or

> canola. Numerous studies are now finding that trans fats not only raise

> LDL bad cholesterol but also lower HDL good cholesterol, prompting

> scientists nationwide to deride them as the worst kind of fat.

>

> But Palm Oil Is a Horrible Alternative

>

> But replacing them with palm oil and other tropical oils like coconut

> oil and palm kernel oil? " This is nuts! " " All these tropical oils are

> highly saturated fats. Like butter, cheese, and meat, tropical oils

> raise LDL cholesterol and clog arteries with plaque, increasing your

> risk of a heart attack. "

>

> Coconut oil is getting promoted on the web, internet and even the health

> food industry, saying its healthy because most of its fat is made up of

> " medium " chain fatty acids (MCT), which are metabolized differently.

> Yes, it is true that a small portion of coconut oil is MCT (C-6 to C-10

> fatty acids) and these do get oxidized more quickly and appear less

> fattening than LCT and also appear to have little impact on LDL-C

> levels. However, because the vast majority of saturated fatty acids in

> cocnut oil are the longer cain fatty acids, C-12 to C-16 (Lauric,

> myristic and palmitic acids) it does in fact elevate LDL-C. " In fact,

> tropical oils can have more cholesterol-raising saturated fat than even

> butter. Coconut oil is 92% saturated, making it more saturated than

> butter, beef tallow, or even lard. Palm oil, though it contain less

> saturated fat (50%), is full of a type of saturated fat, palmitic acid,

> which appears to be most conducive to heart disease. Because of cocnut

> oils extremely high saturated fat content, it will elevate LDL-C more

> than just about any other fat. You just can't believe everything you

> read on the internet.

>

> In addition, the coconut oil industry likes to point out that the

> traditional Polynesian diet - high in tropical oils like coconut - is

> linked with relatively low rates of heart disease.

>

> However, it's important to remember that heart disease involves several

> variables, Yes, studies of people on traditional Polynesian diets have

> found that they have relatively low rates from heart disease despite

> very high LDL cholesterol levels, but other aspects of their native

> lifestyle are very healthful, and probably help counteract the

> cholesterol-raising effect of the coconut fat. Their traditional diet,

> for example, is very high in dietary fiber and heart-healthy omega 3

> fatty acids, and very low in sodium. Historically, native Polynesians

> also tended to be nonsmokers, and were physically very active.

> All these factors would certainly promote heart health.

>

> Artery Cloggers

>

> Ironically, it was health concerns over tropical oils in the 1980s that

> helped spur food manufacturers to use more trans fats in the first

> place. Now we're going BACK to tropical oils?. We're trading one

> artery-clogger for another?!

>

> Also outraged are nonprofit organizations, like Center for Science in

> the Public Interest (CSPI) in Washington, D.C., which complained to the

> FDA in August that some food labels, specifically Newman's Own, are

> leading Americans to believe that palm oil is significantly more

> healthful than trans fats. CSPI urged the FDA to halt the deceptive

> labeling.

>

> " The fact that palm oil isn't quite as bad as the absolute worst fat

> [trans fats] shouldn't give food marketers carte blanche to portray it

> as some kind of health food, " said CSPI Executive Director

> son, PhD, in a press statement.

>

>

> What To Do:

>

> Go straight to the ingredient list. Steer clear of any product that

> contains partially hydrogenated oils and/or lists trans fats on the

> label as well as those containing tropical oils like coconut oil, palm

> kernel oil, or palm oil. Both trans fats and tropical oils are bad news

> for your heart, just like butter, lard, and beef tallow.

>

> Take political action. Write your congressmen and senators, urging them

> to press the FDA to crack down on claims that trick consumers into

> thinking that palm oils and other tropical oils are health foods, when

> in fact they are high in saturated fats that promote heart disease.

>

> Or go straight to the FDA at www.fda.gov or:

>

> Food and Drug Administration

> 5600 Fishers Lane Room 14-71

> Rockville, MD 20857

>

> Let's nip this one before we're " back to the future. "

>

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Hi :

I just lost without a trace a long reply to this post of yours.

I do not have the patience to re-write it so here is the short

version:

I would need a TON of much better evidence than this before I would

touch coconut oil with a ten foot pole.

We are all free agents here, and can all make our own choices. My

mind is made up until we see a lot more evidence than this.

Rodney.

>

> Perhaps more than reasonable? Some interesting thoughts on the

> possibility of assigning another role for cholesterol, MCT and the

> protective qualities of coconut oil as evidenced by the low

incidence

> of CHD in populations where it is used.

>

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=3519928 & itool=iconabstr

& query_hl=5

>

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=3060695 & itool=iconabstr

& query_hl=5

>

> --- In , " Jeff Novick " <jnovick@p...>

wrote:

> >

> > >>Palm oil is a prime candidate to replace transfats. Read your

labels

> > carefully...

> >

> > I just wrote this on Palm Oil..

> >

> > The Oiling Of America: Bye Bye Trans Fat, Hello Palm Oil!

> >

> > Responding to the Food and Drug Administration's order to

disclose the

> > amount of unhealthy trans fats on food labels by January 2006,

food

> > companies are racing to get rid of trans fats in their products.

There

> > are now, for example, " trans-fat-free " Oreos, Fritos, and Cocoa

Puffs.

> >

> > While many think this may be good news, its not.

> >

> > The bad news: Many companies are replacing trans fats with palm

oils and

> > other high-in-saturated-fat tropical oils that are almost as

> > heart-damaging as trans fats. Kraft, for instance, is using palm

oil for

> > the filling in its three trans-fat-free Oreo cookie varieties,

reported

> > The New York Times in February.

> >

> > Yes, Trans Fats Are the Worst Kind Of Fat

> >

> > Trans fats are man-made fats that were originally liquid oils but

> > through hydrogenation (adding hydrogen to vegetable oils) become

solid.

> > In ingredient lists, foods with trans fats are usually listed as

having

> > " partially hydrogenated vegetable oils " like soybean, cottonseed,

or

> > canola. Numerous studies are now finding that trans fats not only

raise

> > LDL bad cholesterol but also lower HDL good cholesterol, prompting

> > scientists nationwide to deride them as the worst kind of fat.

> >

> > But Palm Oil Is a Horrible Alternative

> >

> > But replacing them with palm oil and other tropical oils like

coconut

> > oil and palm kernel oil? " This is nuts! " " All these tropical

oils are

> > highly saturated fats. Like butter, cheese, and meat, tropical

oils

> > raise LDL cholesterol and clog arteries with plaque, increasing

your

> > risk of a heart attack. "

> >

> > Coconut oil is getting promoted on the web, internet and even the

health

> > food industry, saying its healthy because most of its fat is made

up of

> > " medium " chain fatty acids (MCT), which are metabolized

differently.

> > Yes, it is true that a small portion of coconut oil is MCT (C-6

to C-10

> > fatty acids) and these do get oxidized more quickly and appear

less

> > fattening than LCT and also appear to have little impact on LDL-C

> > levels. However, because the vast majority of saturated fatty

acids in

> > cocnut oil are the longer cain fatty acids, C-12 to C-16 (Lauric,

> > myristic and palmitic acids) it does in fact elevate LDL-C. " In

fact,

> > tropical oils can have more cholesterol-raising saturated fat

than even

> > butter. Coconut oil is 92% saturated, making it more saturated

than

> > butter, beef tallow, or even lard. Palm oil, though it contain

less

> > saturated fat (50%), is full of a type of saturated fat, palmitic

acid,

> > which appears to be most conducive to heart disease. Because of

cocnut

> > oils extremely high saturated fat content, it will elevate LDL-C

more

> > than just about any other fat. You just can't believe everything

you

> > read on the internet.

> >

> > In addition, the coconut oil industry likes to point out that the

> > traditional Polynesian diet - high in tropical oils like coconut -

is

> > linked with relatively low rates of heart disease.

> >

> > However, it's important to remember that heart disease involves

several

> > variables, Yes, studies of people on traditional Polynesian diets

have

> > found that they have relatively low rates from heart disease

despite

> > very high LDL cholesterol levels, but other aspects of their

native

> > lifestyle are very healthful, and probably help counteract the

> > cholesterol-raising effect of the coconut fat. Their traditional

diet,

> > for example, is very high in dietary fiber and heart-healthy

omega 3

> > fatty acids, and very low in sodium. Historically, native

Polynesians

> > also tended to be nonsmokers, and were physically very active.

> > All these factors would certainly promote heart health.

> >

> > Artery Cloggers

> >

> > Ironically, it was health concerns over tropical oils in the

1980s that

> > helped spur food manufacturers to use more trans fats in the first

> > place. Now we're going BACK to tropical oils?. We're trading one

> > artery-clogger for another?!

> >

> > Also outraged are nonprofit organizations, like Center for

Science in

> > the Public Interest (CSPI) in Washington, D.C., which complained

to the

> > FDA in August that some food labels, specifically Newman's Own,

are

> > leading Americans to believe that palm oil is significantly more

> > healthful than trans fats. CSPI urged the FDA to halt the

deceptive

> > labeling.

> >

> > " The fact that palm oil isn't quite as bad as the absolute worst

fat

> > [trans fats] shouldn't give food marketers carte blanche to

portray it

> > as some kind of health food, " said CSPI Executive Director

> > son, PhD, in a press statement.

> >

> >

> > What To Do:

> >

> > Go straight to the ingredient list. Steer clear of any product

that

> > contains partially hydrogenated oils and/or lists trans fats on

the

> > label as well as those containing tropical oils like coconut oil,

palm

> > kernel oil, or palm oil. Both trans fats and tropical oils are

bad news

> > for your heart, just like butter, lard, and beef tallow.

> >

> > Take political action. Write your congressmen and senators,

urging them

> > to press the FDA to crack down on claims that trick consumers into

> > thinking that palm oils and other tropical oils are health foods,

when

> > in fact they are high in saturated fats that promote heart

disease.

> >

> > Or go straight to the FDA at www.fda.gov or:

> >

> > Food and Drug Administration

> > 5600 Fishers Lane Room 14-71

> > Rockville, MD 20857

> >

> > Let's nip this one before we're " back to the future. "

> >

>

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Hi :

I just lost without a trace a long reply to this post of yours.

I do not have the patience to re-write it so here is the short

version:

I would need a TON of much better evidence than this before I would

touch coconut oil with a ten foot pole.

We are all free agents here, and can all make our own choices. My

mind is made up until we see a lot more evidence than this.

Rodney.

>

> Perhaps more than reasonable? Some interesting thoughts on the

> possibility of assigning another role for cholesterol, MCT and the

> protective qualities of coconut oil as evidenced by the low

incidence

> of CHD in populations where it is used.

>

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=3519928 & itool=iconabstr

& query_hl=5

>

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=3060695 & itool=iconabstr

& query_hl=5

>

> --- In , " Jeff Novick " <jnovick@p...>

wrote:

> >

> > >>Palm oil is a prime candidate to replace transfats. Read your

labels

> > carefully...

> >

> > I just wrote this on Palm Oil..

> >

> > The Oiling Of America: Bye Bye Trans Fat, Hello Palm Oil!

> >

> > Responding to the Food and Drug Administration's order to

disclose the

> > amount of unhealthy trans fats on food labels by January 2006,

food

> > companies are racing to get rid of trans fats in their products.

There

> > are now, for example, " trans-fat-free " Oreos, Fritos, and Cocoa

Puffs.

> >

> > While many think this may be good news, its not.

> >

> > The bad news: Many companies are replacing trans fats with palm

oils and

> > other high-in-saturated-fat tropical oils that are almost as

> > heart-damaging as trans fats. Kraft, for instance, is using palm

oil for

> > the filling in its three trans-fat-free Oreo cookie varieties,

reported

> > The New York Times in February.

> >

> > Yes, Trans Fats Are the Worst Kind Of Fat

> >

> > Trans fats are man-made fats that were originally liquid oils but

> > through hydrogenation (adding hydrogen to vegetable oils) become

solid.

> > In ingredient lists, foods with trans fats are usually listed as

having

> > " partially hydrogenated vegetable oils " like soybean, cottonseed,

or

> > canola. Numerous studies are now finding that trans fats not only

raise

> > LDL bad cholesterol but also lower HDL good cholesterol, prompting

> > scientists nationwide to deride them as the worst kind of fat.

> >

> > But Palm Oil Is a Horrible Alternative

> >

> > But replacing them with palm oil and other tropical oils like

coconut

> > oil and palm kernel oil? " This is nuts! " " All these tropical

oils are

> > highly saturated fats. Like butter, cheese, and meat, tropical

oils

> > raise LDL cholesterol and clog arteries with plaque, increasing

your

> > risk of a heart attack. "

> >

> > Coconut oil is getting promoted on the web, internet and even the

health

> > food industry, saying its healthy because most of its fat is made

up of

> > " medium " chain fatty acids (MCT), which are metabolized

differently.

> > Yes, it is true that a small portion of coconut oil is MCT (C-6

to C-10

> > fatty acids) and these do get oxidized more quickly and appear

less

> > fattening than LCT and also appear to have little impact on LDL-C

> > levels. However, because the vast majority of saturated fatty

acids in

> > cocnut oil are the longer cain fatty acids, C-12 to C-16 (Lauric,

> > myristic and palmitic acids) it does in fact elevate LDL-C. " In

fact,

> > tropical oils can have more cholesterol-raising saturated fat

than even

> > butter. Coconut oil is 92% saturated, making it more saturated

than

> > butter, beef tallow, or even lard. Palm oil, though it contain

less

> > saturated fat (50%), is full of a type of saturated fat, palmitic

acid,

> > which appears to be most conducive to heart disease. Because of

cocnut

> > oils extremely high saturated fat content, it will elevate LDL-C

more

> > than just about any other fat. You just can't believe everything

you

> > read on the internet.

> >

> > In addition, the coconut oil industry likes to point out that the

> > traditional Polynesian diet - high in tropical oils like coconut -

is

> > linked with relatively low rates of heart disease.

> >

> > However, it's important to remember that heart disease involves

several

> > variables, Yes, studies of people on traditional Polynesian diets

have

> > found that they have relatively low rates from heart disease

despite

> > very high LDL cholesterol levels, but other aspects of their

native

> > lifestyle are very healthful, and probably help counteract the

> > cholesterol-raising effect of the coconut fat. Their traditional

diet,

> > for example, is very high in dietary fiber and heart-healthy

omega 3

> > fatty acids, and very low in sodium. Historically, native

Polynesians

> > also tended to be nonsmokers, and were physically very active.

> > All these factors would certainly promote heart health.

> >

> > Artery Cloggers

> >

> > Ironically, it was health concerns over tropical oils in the

1980s that

> > helped spur food manufacturers to use more trans fats in the first

> > place. Now we're going BACK to tropical oils?. We're trading one

> > artery-clogger for another?!

> >

> > Also outraged are nonprofit organizations, like Center for

Science in

> > the Public Interest (CSPI) in Washington, D.C., which complained

to the

> > FDA in August that some food labels, specifically Newman's Own,

are

> > leading Americans to believe that palm oil is significantly more

> > healthful than trans fats. CSPI urged the FDA to halt the

deceptive

> > labeling.

> >

> > " The fact that palm oil isn't quite as bad as the absolute worst

fat

> > [trans fats] shouldn't give food marketers carte blanche to

portray it

> > as some kind of health food, " said CSPI Executive Director

> > son, PhD, in a press statement.

> >

> >

> > What To Do:

> >

> > Go straight to the ingredient list. Steer clear of any product

that

> > contains partially hydrogenated oils and/or lists trans fats on

the

> > label as well as those containing tropical oils like coconut oil,

palm

> > kernel oil, or palm oil. Both trans fats and tropical oils are

bad news

> > for your heart, just like butter, lard, and beef tallow.

> >

> > Take political action. Write your congressmen and senators,

urging them

> > to press the FDA to crack down on claims that trick consumers into

> > thinking that palm oils and other tropical oils are health foods,

when

> > in fact they are high in saturated fats that promote heart

disease.

> >

> > Or go straight to the FDA at www.fda.gov or:

> >

> > Food and Drug Administration

> > 5600 Fishers Lane Room 14-71

> > Rockville, MD 20857

> >

> > Let's nip this one before we're " back to the future. "

> >

>

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Hi JW:

Well coconut oil is of course 100% fat. Of that fat 86.5% is

saturated. And of that, 30% is myristic and palmitic - fats which

most authorities consider to be the worst naturally occurring kind.

Half is lauric acid, which some sources think is wonderful.

I will believe that it is wonderful only after major empiricial

studies, preferably conducted on the people who recommend this stuff,

which add to their diet 20% of calories in the form of coconut oil

and track their carotid IMT for five years, and show it to be

improving.

Or studies on pigs or hamsters which are sacrificed at the

appropriate time and examined for CVD lesions and compared with non-

coconut oil consuming controls.

And if it is found to be beneficial, which foods are you going to now

exclude from your diet in order to make way for the substantial

number of calories that consuming coconut oil entails? Most of the

other foods we eat contain other beneficial nutrients. Coconut oil,

as with other oils, contains negligible amounts of other nutrients.

Rodney.

> > >

> > > >>Palm oil is a prime candidate to replace transfats. Read

your

> labels

> > > carefully...

> > >

> > > I just wrote this on Palm Oil..

> > >

> > > The Oiling Of America: Bye Bye Trans Fat, Hello Palm Oil!

> > >

> > > Responding to the Food and Drug Administration's order to

> disclose the

> > > amount of unhealthy trans fats on food labels by January

2006,

> food

> > > companies are racing to get rid of trans fats in their

products.

> There

> > > are now, for example, " trans-fat-free " Oreos, Fritos, and

Cocoa

> Puffs.

> > >

> > > While many think this may be good news, its not.

> > >

> > > The bad news: Many companies are replacing trans fats with

palm

> oils and

> > > other high-in-saturated-fat tropical oils that are almost as

> > > heart-damaging as trans fats. Kraft, for instance, is using

palm

> oil for

> > > the filling in its three trans-fat-free Oreo cookie

varieties,

> reported

> > > The New York Times in February.

> > >

> > > Yes, Trans Fats Are the Worst Kind Of Fat

> > >

> > > Trans fats are man-made fats that were originally liquid oils

but

> > > through hydrogenation (adding hydrogen to vegetable oils)

become

> solid.

> > > In ingredient lists, foods with trans fats are usually listed

as

> having

> > > " partially hydrogenated vegetable oils " like soybean,

cottonseed,

> or

> > > canola. Numerous studies are now finding that trans fats not

only

> raise

> > > LDL bad cholesterol but also lower HDL good cholesterol,

prompting

> > > scientists nationwide to deride them as the worst kind of fat.

> > >

> > > But Palm Oil Is a Horrible Alternative

> > >

> > > But replacing them with palm oil and other tropical oils like

> coconut

> > > oil and palm kernel oil? " This is nuts! " " All these tropical

> oils are

> > > highly saturated fats. Like butter, cheese, and meat,

tropical

> oils

> > > raise LDL cholesterol and clog arteries with plaque,

increasing

> your

> > > risk of a heart attack. "

> > >

> > > Coconut oil is getting promoted on the web, internet and even

the

> health

> > > food industry, saying its healthy because most of its fat is

made

> up of

> > > " medium " chain fatty acids (MCT), which are metabolized

> differently.

> > > Yes, it is true that a small portion of coconut oil is MCT (C-

6

> to C-10

> > > fatty acids) and these do get oxidized more quickly and

appear

> less

> > > fattening than LCT and also appear to have little impact on

LDL-C

> > > levels. However, because the vast majority of saturated fatty

> acids in

> > > cocnut oil are the longer cain fatty acids, C-12 to C-16

(Lauric,

> > > myristic and palmitic acids) it does in fact elevate LDL-

C. " In

> fact,

> > > tropical oils can have more cholesterol-raising saturated fat

> than even

> > > butter. Coconut oil is 92% saturated, making it more

saturated

> than

> > > butter, beef tallow, or even lard. Palm oil, though it

contain

> less

> > > saturated fat (50%), is full of a type of saturated fat,

palmitic

> acid,

> > > which appears to be most conducive to heart disease. Because

of

> cocnut

> > > oils extremely high saturated fat content, it will elevate

LDL-C

> more

> > > than just about any other fat. You just can't believe

everything

> you

> > > read on the internet.

> > >

> > > In addition, the coconut oil industry likes to point out that

the

> > > traditional Polynesian diet - high in tropical oils like

coconut -

> is

> > > linked with relatively low rates of heart disease.

> > >

> > > However, it's important to remember that heart disease

involves

> several

> > > variables, Yes, studies of people on traditional Polynesian

diets

> have

> > > found that they have relatively low rates from heart disease

> despite

> > > very high LDL cholesterol levels, but other aspects of their

> native

> > > lifestyle are very healthful, and probably help counteract the

> > > cholesterol-raising effect of the coconut fat. Their

traditional

> diet,

> > > for example, is very high in dietary fiber and heart-healthy

> omega 3

> > > fatty acids, and very low in sodium. Historically, native

> Polynesians

> > > also tended to be nonsmokers, and were physically very

active.

> > > All these factors would certainly promote heart health.

> > >

> > > Artery Cloggers

> > >

> > > Ironically, it was health concerns over tropical oils in the

> 1980s that

> > > helped spur food manufacturers to use more trans fats in the

first

> > > place. Now we're going BACK to tropical oils?. We're

trading one

> > > artery-clogger for another?!

> > >

> > > Also outraged are nonprofit organizations, like Center for

> Science in

> > > the Public Interest (CSPI) in Washington, D.C., which

complained

> to the

> > > FDA in August that some food labels, specifically Newman's

Own,

> are

> > > leading Americans to believe that palm oil is significantly

more

> > > healthful than trans fats. CSPI urged the FDA to halt the

> deceptive

> > > labeling.

> > >

> > > " The fact that palm oil isn't quite as bad as the absolute

worst

> fat

> > > [trans fats] shouldn't give food marketers carte blanche to

> portray it

> > > as some kind of health food, " said CSPI Executive Director

> > > son, PhD, in a press statement.

> > >

> > >

> > > What To Do:

> > >

> > > Go straight to the ingredient list. Steer clear of any

product

> that

> > > contains partially hydrogenated oils and/or lists trans fats

on

> the

> > > label as well as those containing tropical oils like coconut

oil,

> palm

> > > kernel oil, or palm oil. Both trans fats and tropical oils

are

> bad news

> > > for your heart, just like butter, lard, and beef tallow.

> > >

> > > Take political action. Write your congressmen and senators,

> urging them

> > > to press the FDA to crack down on claims that trick consumers

into

> > > thinking that palm oils and other tropical oils are health

foods,

> when

> > > in fact they are high in saturated fats that promote heart

> disease.

> > >

> > > Or go straight to the FDA at www.fda.gov or:

> > >

> > > Food and Drug Administration

> > > 5600 Fishers Lane Room 14-71

> > > Rockville, MD 20857

> > >

> > > Let's nip this one before we're " back to the future. "

> > >

> >

>

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Hi JW:

Well coconut oil is of course 100% fat. Of that fat 86.5% is

saturated. And of that, 30% is myristic and palmitic - fats which

most authorities consider to be the worst naturally occurring kind.

Half is lauric acid, which some sources think is wonderful.

I will believe that it is wonderful only after major empiricial

studies, preferably conducted on the people who recommend this stuff,

which add to their diet 20% of calories in the form of coconut oil

and track their carotid IMT for five years, and show it to be

improving.

Or studies on pigs or hamsters which are sacrificed at the

appropriate time and examined for CVD lesions and compared with non-

coconut oil consuming controls.

And if it is found to be beneficial, which foods are you going to now

exclude from your diet in order to make way for the substantial

number of calories that consuming coconut oil entails? Most of the

other foods we eat contain other beneficial nutrients. Coconut oil,

as with other oils, contains negligible amounts of other nutrients.

Rodney.

> > >

> > > >>Palm oil is a prime candidate to replace transfats. Read

your

> labels

> > > carefully...

> > >

> > > I just wrote this on Palm Oil..

> > >

> > > The Oiling Of America: Bye Bye Trans Fat, Hello Palm Oil!

> > >

> > > Responding to the Food and Drug Administration's order to

> disclose the

> > > amount of unhealthy trans fats on food labels by January

2006,

> food

> > > companies are racing to get rid of trans fats in their

products.

> There

> > > are now, for example, " trans-fat-free " Oreos, Fritos, and

Cocoa

> Puffs.

> > >

> > > While many think this may be good news, its not.

> > >

> > > The bad news: Many companies are replacing trans fats with

palm

> oils and

> > > other high-in-saturated-fat tropical oils that are almost as

> > > heart-damaging as trans fats. Kraft, for instance, is using

palm

> oil for

> > > the filling in its three trans-fat-free Oreo cookie

varieties,

> reported

> > > The New York Times in February.

> > >

> > > Yes, Trans Fats Are the Worst Kind Of Fat

> > >

> > > Trans fats are man-made fats that were originally liquid oils

but

> > > through hydrogenation (adding hydrogen to vegetable oils)

become

> solid.

> > > In ingredient lists, foods with trans fats are usually listed

as

> having

> > > " partially hydrogenated vegetable oils " like soybean,

cottonseed,

> or

> > > canola. Numerous studies are now finding that trans fats not

only

> raise

> > > LDL bad cholesterol but also lower HDL good cholesterol,

prompting

> > > scientists nationwide to deride them as the worst kind of fat.

> > >

> > > But Palm Oil Is a Horrible Alternative

> > >

> > > But replacing them with palm oil and other tropical oils like

> coconut

> > > oil and palm kernel oil? " This is nuts! " " All these tropical

> oils are

> > > highly saturated fats. Like butter, cheese, and meat,

tropical

> oils

> > > raise LDL cholesterol and clog arteries with plaque,

increasing

> your

> > > risk of a heart attack. "

> > >

> > > Coconut oil is getting promoted on the web, internet and even

the

> health

> > > food industry, saying its healthy because most of its fat is

made

> up of

> > > " medium " chain fatty acids (MCT), which are metabolized

> differently.

> > > Yes, it is true that a small portion of coconut oil is MCT (C-

6

> to C-10

> > > fatty acids) and these do get oxidized more quickly and

appear

> less

> > > fattening than LCT and also appear to have little impact on

LDL-C

> > > levels. However, because the vast majority of saturated fatty

> acids in

> > > cocnut oil are the longer cain fatty acids, C-12 to C-16

(Lauric,

> > > myristic and palmitic acids) it does in fact elevate LDL-

C. " In

> fact,

> > > tropical oils can have more cholesterol-raising saturated fat

> than even

> > > butter. Coconut oil is 92% saturated, making it more

saturated

> than

> > > butter, beef tallow, or even lard. Palm oil, though it

contain

> less

> > > saturated fat (50%), is full of a type of saturated fat,

palmitic

> acid,

> > > which appears to be most conducive to heart disease. Because

of

> cocnut

> > > oils extremely high saturated fat content, it will elevate

LDL-C

> more

> > > than just about any other fat. You just can't believe

everything

> you

> > > read on the internet.

> > >

> > > In addition, the coconut oil industry likes to point out that

the

> > > traditional Polynesian diet - high in tropical oils like

coconut -

> is

> > > linked with relatively low rates of heart disease.

> > >

> > > However, it's important to remember that heart disease

involves

> several

> > > variables, Yes, studies of people on traditional Polynesian

diets

> have

> > > found that they have relatively low rates from heart disease

> despite

> > > very high LDL cholesterol levels, but other aspects of their

> native

> > > lifestyle are very healthful, and probably help counteract the

> > > cholesterol-raising effect of the coconut fat. Their

traditional

> diet,

> > > for example, is very high in dietary fiber and heart-healthy

> omega 3

> > > fatty acids, and very low in sodium. Historically, native

> Polynesians

> > > also tended to be nonsmokers, and were physically very

active.

> > > All these factors would certainly promote heart health.

> > >

> > > Artery Cloggers

> > >

> > > Ironically, it was health concerns over tropical oils in the

> 1980s that

> > > helped spur food manufacturers to use more trans fats in the

first

> > > place. Now we're going BACK to tropical oils?. We're

trading one

> > > artery-clogger for another?!

> > >

> > > Also outraged are nonprofit organizations, like Center for

> Science in

> > > the Public Interest (CSPI) in Washington, D.C., which

complained

> to the

> > > FDA in August that some food labels, specifically Newman's

Own,

> are

> > > leading Americans to believe that palm oil is significantly

more

> > > healthful than trans fats. CSPI urged the FDA to halt the

> deceptive

> > > labeling.

> > >

> > > " The fact that palm oil isn't quite as bad as the absolute

worst

> fat

> > > [trans fats] shouldn't give food marketers carte blanche to

> portray it

> > > as some kind of health food, " said CSPI Executive Director

> > > son, PhD, in a press statement.

> > >

> > >

> > > What To Do:

> > >

> > > Go straight to the ingredient list. Steer clear of any

product

> that

> > > contains partially hydrogenated oils and/or lists trans fats

on

> the

> > > label as well as those containing tropical oils like coconut

oil,

> palm

> > > kernel oil, or palm oil. Both trans fats and tropical oils

are

> bad news

> > > for your heart, just like butter, lard, and beef tallow.

> > >

> > > Take political action. Write your congressmen and senators,

> urging them

> > > to press the FDA to crack down on claims that trick consumers

into

> > > thinking that palm oils and other tropical oils are health

foods,

> when

> > > in fact they are high in saturated fats that promote heart

> disease.

> > >

> > > Or go straight to the FDA at www.fda.gov or:

> > >

> > > Food and Drug Administration

> > > 5600 Fishers Lane Room 14-71

> > > Rockville, MD 20857

> > >

> > > Let's nip this one before we're " back to the future. "

> > >

> >

>

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The following study, while not disculpating coconut oil for its role

in CHD does provide reassurances as to the safety of palm oil.

http://www.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/127/3/509S

>

> > The simple fact is that they will have to substitute something and

> > unless the gurus can suggest something that doesn't spoil......?

> >

> > Come up with a solution.

>

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The following study, while not disculpating coconut oil for its role

in CHD does provide reassurances as to the safety of palm oil.

http://www.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/127/3/509S

>

> > The simple fact is that they will have to substitute something and

> > unless the gurus can suggest something that doesn't spoil......?

> >

> > Come up with a solution.

>

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Hi :

That study shows that in people whose starting cholesterol was

somewhat on the high side, total cholesterol is reduced. BUT ONLY

BECAUSE OF A LARGE REDUCTION IN HDL. LDL is INCREASED by palm oil in

this group. Hardly a reassurance of the safety of palm oil for the

majority of the US population whose cholesterol is too high.

But it is curious that the results were not the same for people who

started out with good cholesterol numbers.

Rodney.

> >

> > > The simple fact is that they will have to substitute something

and

> > > unless the gurus can suggest something that doesn't spoil......?

> > >

> > > Come up with a solution.

> >

>

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Hi :

That study shows that in people whose starting cholesterol was

somewhat on the high side, total cholesterol is reduced. BUT ONLY

BECAUSE OF A LARGE REDUCTION IN HDL. LDL is INCREASED by palm oil in

this group. Hardly a reassurance of the safety of palm oil for the

majority of the US population whose cholesterol is too high.

But it is curious that the results were not the same for people who

started out with good cholesterol numbers.

Rodney.

> >

> > > The simple fact is that they will have to substitute something

and

> > > unless the gurus can suggest something that doesn't spoil......?

> > >

> > > Come up with a solution.

> >

>

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Hi JW:

fwiw ........ I did a little experiment oxidizing a small sample of

my high poly safflower oil. I exposed it to air in full sunshine

indoors for some months. To my great surprise it lost its original

faint greeny/yellowish tint, and became completely colorless - like

glass. I had expected it to brown as so many things do when they

oxidize.

The message is not to use a darkening in color to warn of oxidation.

The aroma changed to a somewhat oxidized, a bit sherry-like,

character. So using the nose to detect oxidation seems to be better

for this product.

I believe the different types of safflower oil come from somewhat

different types (sub-species?) of plant. But I can't provide a

source documenting that.

Rodney.

>

> The simple fact is that they will have to substitute something

and unless the gurus can suggest something that doesn't spoil......?

>

> Come up with a solution.

>

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Hi JW:

fwiw ........ I did a little experiment oxidizing a small sample of

my high poly safflower oil. I exposed it to air in full sunshine

indoors for some months. To my great surprise it lost its original

faint greeny/yellowish tint, and became completely colorless - like

glass. I had expected it to brown as so many things do when they

oxidize.

The message is not to use a darkening in color to warn of oxidation.

The aroma changed to a somewhat oxidized, a bit sherry-like,

character. So using the nose to detect oxidation seems to be better

for this product.

I believe the different types of safflower oil come from somewhat

different types (sub-species?) of plant. But I can't provide a

source documenting that.

Rodney.

>

> The simple fact is that they will have to substitute something

and unless the gurus can suggest something that doesn't spoil......?

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> Come up with a solution.

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