Guest guest Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 They will be forced to use something that doesn't spoil easily or not produce the product. Wieners are a remarkable product, eg, so much salt and stuff that it couldn't spoil if it wanted to. What is remarkable to me is the non fat wienies have the same protein per same size wienie, like 5 gms. How do they do that without fillers? Must be more water. Well it's only 14 gms of water in place of the fat. And they cost more. Weinies can vary in price from 0.78 to 3.79 per pkg, usually 12 oz. I wonder what part of the beef, turkey, pork and/or chicken they put in there? Regards. [ ] Palm oil ‘reasonable’ replacement for trans fats, say experts Palm oil is a prime candidate to replace transfats. Read your labels carefully...http://tinyurl.com/anzxaMike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 They will be forced to use something that doesn't spoil easily or not produce the product. Wieners are a remarkable product, eg, so much salt and stuff that it couldn't spoil if it wanted to. What is remarkable to me is the non fat wienies have the same protein per same size wienie, like 5 gms. How do they do that without fillers? Must be more water. Well it's only 14 gms of water in place of the fat. And they cost more. Weinies can vary in price from 0.78 to 3.79 per pkg, usually 12 oz. I wonder what part of the beef, turkey, pork and/or chicken they put in there? Regards. [ ] Palm oil ‘reasonable’ replacement for trans fats, say experts Palm oil is a prime candidate to replace transfats. Read your labels carefully...http://tinyurl.com/anzxaMike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 >>Palm oil is a prime candidate to replace transfats. Read your labels carefully... I just wrote this on Palm Oil.. The Oiling Of America: Bye Bye Trans Fat, Hello Palm Oil! Responding to the Food and Drug Administration's order to disclose the amount of unhealthy trans fats on food labels by January 2006, food companies are racing to get rid of trans fats in their products. There are now, for example, " trans-fat-free " Oreos, Fritos, and Cocoa Puffs. While many think this may be good news, its not. The bad news: Many companies are replacing trans fats with palm oils and other high-in-saturated-fat tropical oils that are almost as heart-damaging as trans fats. Kraft, for instance, is using palm oil for the filling in its three trans-fat-free Oreo cookie varieties, reported The New York Times in February. Yes, Trans Fats Are the Worst Kind Of Fat Trans fats are man-made fats that were originally liquid oils but through hydrogenation (adding hydrogen to vegetable oils) become solid. In ingredient lists, foods with trans fats are usually listed as having " partially hydrogenated vegetable oils " like soybean, cottonseed, or canola. Numerous studies are now finding that trans fats not only raise LDL bad cholesterol but also lower HDL good cholesterol, prompting scientists nationwide to deride them as the worst kind of fat. But Palm Oil Is a Horrible Alternative But replacing them with palm oil and other tropical oils like coconut oil and palm kernel oil? " This is nuts! " " All these tropical oils are highly saturated fats. Like butter, cheese, and meat, tropical oils raise LDL cholesterol and clog arteries with plaque, increasing your risk of a heart attack. " Coconut oil is getting promoted on the web, internet and even the health food industry, saying its healthy because most of its fat is made up of " medium " chain fatty acids (MCT), which are metabolized differently. Yes, it is true that a small portion of coconut oil is MCT (C-6 to C-10 fatty acids) and these do get oxidized more quickly and appear less fattening than LCT and also appear to have little impact on LDL-C levels. However, because the vast majority of saturated fatty acids in cocnut oil are the longer cain fatty acids, C-12 to C-16 (Lauric, myristic and palmitic acids) it does in fact elevate LDL-C. " In fact, tropical oils can have more cholesterol-raising saturated fat than even butter. Coconut oil is 92% saturated, making it more saturated than butter, beef tallow, or even lard. Palm oil, though it contain less saturated fat (50%), is full of a type of saturated fat, palmitic acid, which appears to be most conducive to heart disease. Because of cocnut oils extremely high saturated fat content, it will elevate LDL-C more than just about any other fat. You just can't believe everything you read on the internet. In addition, the coconut oil industry likes to point out that the traditional Polynesian diet - high in tropical oils like coconut - is linked with relatively low rates of heart disease. However, it's important to remember that heart disease involves several variables, Yes, studies of people on traditional Polynesian diets have found that they have relatively low rates from heart disease despite very high LDL cholesterol levels, but other aspects of their native lifestyle are very healthful, and probably help counteract the cholesterol-raising effect of the coconut fat. Their traditional diet, for example, is very high in dietary fiber and heart-healthy omega 3 fatty acids, and very low in sodium. Historically, native Polynesians also tended to be nonsmokers, and were physically very active. All these factors would certainly promote heart health. Artery Cloggers Ironically, it was health concerns over tropical oils in the 1980s that helped spur food manufacturers to use more trans fats in the first place. Now we're going BACK to tropical oils?. We're trading one artery-clogger for another?! Also outraged are nonprofit organizations, like Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI) in Washington, D.C., which complained to the FDA in August that some food labels, specifically Newman's Own, are leading Americans to believe that palm oil is significantly more healthful than trans fats. CSPI urged the FDA to halt the deceptive labeling. " The fact that palm oil isn't quite as bad as the absolute worst fat [trans fats] shouldn't give food marketers carte blanche to portray it as some kind of health food, " said CSPI Executive Director son, PhD, in a press statement. What To Do: Go straight to the ingredient list. Steer clear of any product that contains partially hydrogenated oils and/or lists trans fats on the label as well as those containing tropical oils like coconut oil, palm kernel oil, or palm oil. Both trans fats and tropical oils are bad news for your heart, just like butter, lard, and beef tallow. Take political action. Write your congressmen and senators, urging them to press the FDA to crack down on claims that trick consumers into thinking that palm oils and other tropical oils are health foods, when in fact they are high in saturated fats that promote heart disease. Or go straight to the FDA at www.fda.gov or: Food and Drug Administration 5600 Fishers Lane Room 14-71 Rockville, MD 20857 Let's nip this one before we're " back to the future. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 >>Palm oil is a prime candidate to replace transfats. Read your labels carefully... I just wrote this on Palm Oil.. The Oiling Of America: Bye Bye Trans Fat, Hello Palm Oil! Responding to the Food and Drug Administration's order to disclose the amount of unhealthy trans fats on food labels by January 2006, food companies are racing to get rid of trans fats in their products. There are now, for example, " trans-fat-free " Oreos, Fritos, and Cocoa Puffs. While many think this may be good news, its not. The bad news: Many companies are replacing trans fats with palm oils and other high-in-saturated-fat tropical oils that are almost as heart-damaging as trans fats. Kraft, for instance, is using palm oil for the filling in its three trans-fat-free Oreo cookie varieties, reported The New York Times in February. Yes, Trans Fats Are the Worst Kind Of Fat Trans fats are man-made fats that were originally liquid oils but through hydrogenation (adding hydrogen to vegetable oils) become solid. In ingredient lists, foods with trans fats are usually listed as having " partially hydrogenated vegetable oils " like soybean, cottonseed, or canola. Numerous studies are now finding that trans fats not only raise LDL bad cholesterol but also lower HDL good cholesterol, prompting scientists nationwide to deride them as the worst kind of fat. But Palm Oil Is a Horrible Alternative But replacing them with palm oil and other tropical oils like coconut oil and palm kernel oil? " This is nuts! " " All these tropical oils are highly saturated fats. Like butter, cheese, and meat, tropical oils raise LDL cholesterol and clog arteries with plaque, increasing your risk of a heart attack. " Coconut oil is getting promoted on the web, internet and even the health food industry, saying its healthy because most of its fat is made up of " medium " chain fatty acids (MCT), which are metabolized differently. Yes, it is true that a small portion of coconut oil is MCT (C-6 to C-10 fatty acids) and these do get oxidized more quickly and appear less fattening than LCT and also appear to have little impact on LDL-C levels. However, because the vast majority of saturated fatty acids in cocnut oil are the longer cain fatty acids, C-12 to C-16 (Lauric, myristic and palmitic acids) it does in fact elevate LDL-C. " In fact, tropical oils can have more cholesterol-raising saturated fat than even butter. Coconut oil is 92% saturated, making it more saturated than butter, beef tallow, or even lard. Palm oil, though it contain less saturated fat (50%), is full of a type of saturated fat, palmitic acid, which appears to be most conducive to heart disease. Because of cocnut oils extremely high saturated fat content, it will elevate LDL-C more than just about any other fat. You just can't believe everything you read on the internet. In addition, the coconut oil industry likes to point out that the traditional Polynesian diet - high in tropical oils like coconut - is linked with relatively low rates of heart disease. However, it's important to remember that heart disease involves several variables, Yes, studies of people on traditional Polynesian diets have found that they have relatively low rates from heart disease despite very high LDL cholesterol levels, but other aspects of their native lifestyle are very healthful, and probably help counteract the cholesterol-raising effect of the coconut fat. Their traditional diet, for example, is very high in dietary fiber and heart-healthy omega 3 fatty acids, and very low in sodium. Historically, native Polynesians also tended to be nonsmokers, and were physically very active. All these factors would certainly promote heart health. Artery Cloggers Ironically, it was health concerns over tropical oils in the 1980s that helped spur food manufacturers to use more trans fats in the first place. Now we're going BACK to tropical oils?. We're trading one artery-clogger for another?! Also outraged are nonprofit organizations, like Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI) in Washington, D.C., which complained to the FDA in August that some food labels, specifically Newman's Own, are leading Americans to believe that palm oil is significantly more healthful than trans fats. CSPI urged the FDA to halt the deceptive labeling. " The fact that palm oil isn't quite as bad as the absolute worst fat [trans fats] shouldn't give food marketers carte blanche to portray it as some kind of health food, " said CSPI Executive Director son, PhD, in a press statement. What To Do: Go straight to the ingredient list. Steer clear of any product that contains partially hydrogenated oils and/or lists trans fats on the label as well as those containing tropical oils like coconut oil, palm kernel oil, or palm oil. Both trans fats and tropical oils are bad news for your heart, just like butter, lard, and beef tallow. Take political action. Write your congressmen and senators, urging them to press the FDA to crack down on claims that trick consumers into thinking that palm oils and other tropical oils are health foods, when in fact they are high in saturated fats that promote heart disease. Or go straight to the FDA at www.fda.gov or: Food and Drug Administration 5600 Fishers Lane Room 14-71 Rockville, MD 20857 Let's nip this one before we're " back to the future. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Perhaps more than reasonable? Some interesting thoughts on the possibility of assigning another role for cholesterol, MCT and the protective qualities of coconut oil as evidenced by the low incidence of CHD in populations where it is used. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstra\ ct & list_uids=3519928 & itool=iconabstr & query_hl=5 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstra\ ct & list_uids=3060695 & itool=iconabstr & query_hl=5 > > >>Palm oil is a prime candidate to replace transfats. Read your labels > carefully... > > I just wrote this on Palm Oil.. > > The Oiling Of America: Bye Bye Trans Fat, Hello Palm Oil! > > Responding to the Food and Drug Administration's order to disclose the > amount of unhealthy trans fats on food labels by January 2006, food > companies are racing to get rid of trans fats in their products. There > are now, for example, " trans-fat-free " Oreos, Fritos, and Cocoa Puffs. > > While many think this may be good news, its not. > > The bad news: Many companies are replacing trans fats with palm oils and > other high-in-saturated-fat tropical oils that are almost as > heart-damaging as trans fats. Kraft, for instance, is using palm oil for > the filling in its three trans-fat-free Oreo cookie varieties, reported > The New York Times in February. > > Yes, Trans Fats Are the Worst Kind Of Fat > > Trans fats are man-made fats that were originally liquid oils but > through hydrogenation (adding hydrogen to vegetable oils) become solid. > In ingredient lists, foods with trans fats are usually listed as having > " partially hydrogenated vegetable oils " like soybean, cottonseed, or > canola. Numerous studies are now finding that trans fats not only raise > LDL bad cholesterol but also lower HDL good cholesterol, prompting > scientists nationwide to deride them as the worst kind of fat. > > But Palm Oil Is a Horrible Alternative > > But replacing them with palm oil and other tropical oils like coconut > oil and palm kernel oil? " This is nuts! " " All these tropical oils are > highly saturated fats. Like butter, cheese, and meat, tropical oils > raise LDL cholesterol and clog arteries with plaque, increasing your > risk of a heart attack. " > > Coconut oil is getting promoted on the web, internet and even the health > food industry, saying its healthy because most of its fat is made up of > " medium " chain fatty acids (MCT), which are metabolized differently. > Yes, it is true that a small portion of coconut oil is MCT (C-6 to C-10 > fatty acids) and these do get oxidized more quickly and appear less > fattening than LCT and also appear to have little impact on LDL-C > levels. However, because the vast majority of saturated fatty acids in > cocnut oil are the longer cain fatty acids, C-12 to C-16 (Lauric, > myristic and palmitic acids) it does in fact elevate LDL-C. " In fact, > tropical oils can have more cholesterol-raising saturated fat than even > butter. Coconut oil is 92% saturated, making it more saturated than > butter, beef tallow, or even lard. Palm oil, though it contain less > saturated fat (50%), is full of a type of saturated fat, palmitic acid, > which appears to be most conducive to heart disease. Because of cocnut > oils extremely high saturated fat content, it will elevate LDL-C more > than just about any other fat. You just can't believe everything you > read on the internet. > > In addition, the coconut oil industry likes to point out that the > traditional Polynesian diet - high in tropical oils like coconut - is > linked with relatively low rates of heart disease. > > However, it's important to remember that heart disease involves several > variables, Yes, studies of people on traditional Polynesian diets have > found that they have relatively low rates from heart disease despite > very high LDL cholesterol levels, but other aspects of their native > lifestyle are very healthful, and probably help counteract the > cholesterol-raising effect of the coconut fat. Their traditional diet, > for example, is very high in dietary fiber and heart-healthy omega 3 > fatty acids, and very low in sodium. Historically, native Polynesians > also tended to be nonsmokers, and were physically very active. > All these factors would certainly promote heart health. > > Artery Cloggers > > Ironically, it was health concerns over tropical oils in the 1980s that > helped spur food manufacturers to use more trans fats in the first > place. Now we're going BACK to tropical oils?. We're trading one > artery-clogger for another?! > > Also outraged are nonprofit organizations, like Center for Science in > the Public Interest (CSPI) in Washington, D.C., which complained to the > FDA in August that some food labels, specifically Newman's Own, are > leading Americans to believe that palm oil is significantly more > healthful than trans fats. CSPI urged the FDA to halt the deceptive > labeling. > > " The fact that palm oil isn't quite as bad as the absolute worst fat > [trans fats] shouldn't give food marketers carte blanche to portray it > as some kind of health food, " said CSPI Executive Director > son, PhD, in a press statement. > > > What To Do: > > Go straight to the ingredient list. Steer clear of any product that > contains partially hydrogenated oils and/or lists trans fats on the > label as well as those containing tropical oils like coconut oil, palm > kernel oil, or palm oil. Both trans fats and tropical oils are bad news > for your heart, just like butter, lard, and beef tallow. > > Take political action. Write your congressmen and senators, urging them > to press the FDA to crack down on claims that trick consumers into > thinking that palm oils and other tropical oils are health foods, when > in fact they are high in saturated fats that promote heart disease. > > Or go straight to the FDA at www.fda.gov or: > > Food and Drug Administration > 5600 Fishers Lane Room 14-71 > Rockville, MD 20857 > > Let's nip this one before we're " back to the future. " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Perhaps more than reasonable? Some interesting thoughts on the possibility of assigning another role for cholesterol, MCT and the protective qualities of coconut oil as evidenced by the low incidence of CHD in populations where it is used. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstra\ ct & list_uids=3519928 & itool=iconabstr & query_hl=5 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstra\ ct & list_uids=3060695 & itool=iconabstr & query_hl=5 > > >>Palm oil is a prime candidate to replace transfats. Read your labels > carefully... > > I just wrote this on Palm Oil.. > > The Oiling Of America: Bye Bye Trans Fat, Hello Palm Oil! > > Responding to the Food and Drug Administration's order to disclose the > amount of unhealthy trans fats on food labels by January 2006, food > companies are racing to get rid of trans fats in their products. There > are now, for example, " trans-fat-free " Oreos, Fritos, and Cocoa Puffs. > > While many think this may be good news, its not. > > The bad news: Many companies are replacing trans fats with palm oils and > other high-in-saturated-fat tropical oils that are almost as > heart-damaging as trans fats. Kraft, for instance, is using palm oil for > the filling in its three trans-fat-free Oreo cookie varieties, reported > The New York Times in February. > > Yes, Trans Fats Are the Worst Kind Of Fat > > Trans fats are man-made fats that were originally liquid oils but > through hydrogenation (adding hydrogen to vegetable oils) become solid. > In ingredient lists, foods with trans fats are usually listed as having > " partially hydrogenated vegetable oils " like soybean, cottonseed, or > canola. Numerous studies are now finding that trans fats not only raise > LDL bad cholesterol but also lower HDL good cholesterol, prompting > scientists nationwide to deride them as the worst kind of fat. > > But Palm Oil Is a Horrible Alternative > > But replacing them with palm oil and other tropical oils like coconut > oil and palm kernel oil? " This is nuts! " " All these tropical oils are > highly saturated fats. Like butter, cheese, and meat, tropical oils > raise LDL cholesterol and clog arteries with plaque, increasing your > risk of a heart attack. " > > Coconut oil is getting promoted on the web, internet and even the health > food industry, saying its healthy because most of its fat is made up of > " medium " chain fatty acids (MCT), which are metabolized differently. > Yes, it is true that a small portion of coconut oil is MCT (C-6 to C-10 > fatty acids) and these do get oxidized more quickly and appear less > fattening than LCT and also appear to have little impact on LDL-C > levels. However, because the vast majority of saturated fatty acids in > cocnut oil are the longer cain fatty acids, C-12 to C-16 (Lauric, > myristic and palmitic acids) it does in fact elevate LDL-C. " In fact, > tropical oils can have more cholesterol-raising saturated fat than even > butter. Coconut oil is 92% saturated, making it more saturated than > butter, beef tallow, or even lard. Palm oil, though it contain less > saturated fat (50%), is full of a type of saturated fat, palmitic acid, > which appears to be most conducive to heart disease. Because of cocnut > oils extremely high saturated fat content, it will elevate LDL-C more > than just about any other fat. You just can't believe everything you > read on the internet. > > In addition, the coconut oil industry likes to point out that the > traditional Polynesian diet - high in tropical oils like coconut - is > linked with relatively low rates of heart disease. > > However, it's important to remember that heart disease involves several > variables, Yes, studies of people on traditional Polynesian diets have > found that they have relatively low rates from heart disease despite > very high LDL cholesterol levels, but other aspects of their native > lifestyle are very healthful, and probably help counteract the > cholesterol-raising effect of the coconut fat. Their traditional diet, > for example, is very high in dietary fiber and heart-healthy omega 3 > fatty acids, and very low in sodium. Historically, native Polynesians > also tended to be nonsmokers, and were physically very active. > All these factors would certainly promote heart health. > > Artery Cloggers > > Ironically, it was health concerns over tropical oils in the 1980s that > helped spur food manufacturers to use more trans fats in the first > place. Now we're going BACK to tropical oils?. We're trading one > artery-clogger for another?! > > Also outraged are nonprofit organizations, like Center for Science in > the Public Interest (CSPI) in Washington, D.C., which complained to the > FDA in August that some food labels, specifically Newman's Own, are > leading Americans to believe that palm oil is significantly more > healthful than trans fats. CSPI urged the FDA to halt the deceptive > labeling. > > " The fact that palm oil isn't quite as bad as the absolute worst fat > [trans fats] shouldn't give food marketers carte blanche to portray it > as some kind of health food, " said CSPI Executive Director > son, PhD, in a press statement. > > > What To Do: > > Go straight to the ingredient list. Steer clear of any product that > contains partially hydrogenated oils and/or lists trans fats on the > label as well as those containing tropical oils like coconut oil, palm > kernel oil, or palm oil. Both trans fats and tropical oils are bad news > for your heart, just like butter, lard, and beef tallow. > > Take political action. Write your congressmen and senators, urging them > to press the FDA to crack down on claims that trick consumers into > thinking that palm oils and other tropical oils are health foods, when > in fact they are high in saturated fats that promote heart disease. > > Or go straight to the FDA at www.fda.gov or: > > Food and Drug Administration > 5600 Fishers Lane Room 14-71 > Rockville, MD 20857 > > Let's nip this one before we're " back to the future. " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 Hi : I just lost without a trace a long reply to this post of yours. I do not have the patience to re-write it so here is the short version: I would need a TON of much better evidence than this before I would touch coconut oil with a ten foot pole. We are all free agents here, and can all make our own choices. My mind is made up until we see a lot more evidence than this. Rodney. > > Perhaps more than reasonable? Some interesting thoughts on the > possibility of assigning another role for cholesterol, MCT and the > protective qualities of coconut oil as evidenced by the low incidence > of CHD in populations where it is used. > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi? cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=3519928 & itool=iconabstr & query_hl=5 > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi? cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=3060695 & itool=iconabstr & query_hl=5 > > --- In , " Jeff Novick " <jnovick@p...> wrote: > > > > >>Palm oil is a prime candidate to replace transfats. Read your labels > > carefully... > > > > I just wrote this on Palm Oil.. > > > > The Oiling Of America: Bye Bye Trans Fat, Hello Palm Oil! > > > > Responding to the Food and Drug Administration's order to disclose the > > amount of unhealthy trans fats on food labels by January 2006, food > > companies are racing to get rid of trans fats in their products. There > > are now, for example, " trans-fat-free " Oreos, Fritos, and Cocoa Puffs. > > > > While many think this may be good news, its not. > > > > The bad news: Many companies are replacing trans fats with palm oils and > > other high-in-saturated-fat tropical oils that are almost as > > heart-damaging as trans fats. Kraft, for instance, is using palm oil for > > the filling in its three trans-fat-free Oreo cookie varieties, reported > > The New York Times in February. > > > > Yes, Trans Fats Are the Worst Kind Of Fat > > > > Trans fats are man-made fats that were originally liquid oils but > > through hydrogenation (adding hydrogen to vegetable oils) become solid. > > In ingredient lists, foods with trans fats are usually listed as having > > " partially hydrogenated vegetable oils " like soybean, cottonseed, or > > canola. Numerous studies are now finding that trans fats not only raise > > LDL bad cholesterol but also lower HDL good cholesterol, prompting > > scientists nationwide to deride them as the worst kind of fat. > > > > But Palm Oil Is a Horrible Alternative > > > > But replacing them with palm oil and other tropical oils like coconut > > oil and palm kernel oil? " This is nuts! " " All these tropical oils are > > highly saturated fats. Like butter, cheese, and meat, tropical oils > > raise LDL cholesterol and clog arteries with plaque, increasing your > > risk of a heart attack. " > > > > Coconut oil is getting promoted on the web, internet and even the health > > food industry, saying its healthy because most of its fat is made up of > > " medium " chain fatty acids (MCT), which are metabolized differently. > > Yes, it is true that a small portion of coconut oil is MCT (C-6 to C-10 > > fatty acids) and these do get oxidized more quickly and appear less > > fattening than LCT and also appear to have little impact on LDL-C > > levels. However, because the vast majority of saturated fatty acids in > > cocnut oil are the longer cain fatty acids, C-12 to C-16 (Lauric, > > myristic and palmitic acids) it does in fact elevate LDL-C. " In fact, > > tropical oils can have more cholesterol-raising saturated fat than even > > butter. Coconut oil is 92% saturated, making it more saturated than > > butter, beef tallow, or even lard. Palm oil, though it contain less > > saturated fat (50%), is full of a type of saturated fat, palmitic acid, > > which appears to be most conducive to heart disease. Because of cocnut > > oils extremely high saturated fat content, it will elevate LDL-C more > > than just about any other fat. You just can't believe everything you > > read on the internet. > > > > In addition, the coconut oil industry likes to point out that the > > traditional Polynesian diet - high in tropical oils like coconut - is > > linked with relatively low rates of heart disease. > > > > However, it's important to remember that heart disease involves several > > variables, Yes, studies of people on traditional Polynesian diets have > > found that they have relatively low rates from heart disease despite > > very high LDL cholesterol levels, but other aspects of their native > > lifestyle are very healthful, and probably help counteract the > > cholesterol-raising effect of the coconut fat. Their traditional diet, > > for example, is very high in dietary fiber and heart-healthy omega 3 > > fatty acids, and very low in sodium. Historically, native Polynesians > > also tended to be nonsmokers, and were physically very active. > > All these factors would certainly promote heart health. > > > > Artery Cloggers > > > > Ironically, it was health concerns over tropical oils in the 1980s that > > helped spur food manufacturers to use more trans fats in the first > > place. Now we're going BACK to tropical oils?. We're trading one > > artery-clogger for another?! > > > > Also outraged are nonprofit organizations, like Center for Science in > > the Public Interest (CSPI) in Washington, D.C., which complained to the > > FDA in August that some food labels, specifically Newman's Own, are > > leading Americans to believe that palm oil is significantly more > > healthful than trans fats. CSPI urged the FDA to halt the deceptive > > labeling. > > > > " The fact that palm oil isn't quite as bad as the absolute worst fat > > [trans fats] shouldn't give food marketers carte blanche to portray it > > as some kind of health food, " said CSPI Executive Director > > son, PhD, in a press statement. > > > > > > What To Do: > > > > Go straight to the ingredient list. Steer clear of any product that > > contains partially hydrogenated oils and/or lists trans fats on the > > label as well as those containing tropical oils like coconut oil, palm > > kernel oil, or palm oil. Both trans fats and tropical oils are bad news > > for your heart, just like butter, lard, and beef tallow. > > > > Take political action. Write your congressmen and senators, urging them > > to press the FDA to crack down on claims that trick consumers into > > thinking that palm oils and other tropical oils are health foods, when > > in fact they are high in saturated fats that promote heart disease. > > > > Or go straight to the FDA at www.fda.gov or: > > > > Food and Drug Administration > > 5600 Fishers Lane Room 14-71 > > Rockville, MD 20857 > > > > Let's nip this one before we're " back to the future. " > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 Hi : I just lost without a trace a long reply to this post of yours. I do not have the patience to re-write it so here is the short version: I would need a TON of much better evidence than this before I would touch coconut oil with a ten foot pole. We are all free agents here, and can all make our own choices. My mind is made up until we see a lot more evidence than this. Rodney. > > Perhaps more than reasonable? Some interesting thoughts on the > possibility of assigning another role for cholesterol, MCT and the > protective qualities of coconut oil as evidenced by the low incidence > of CHD in populations where it is used. > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi? cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=3519928 & itool=iconabstr & query_hl=5 > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi? cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=3060695 & itool=iconabstr & query_hl=5 > > --- In , " Jeff Novick " <jnovick@p...> wrote: > > > > >>Palm oil is a prime candidate to replace transfats. Read your labels > > carefully... > > > > I just wrote this on Palm Oil.. > > > > The Oiling Of America: Bye Bye Trans Fat, Hello Palm Oil! > > > > Responding to the Food and Drug Administration's order to disclose the > > amount of unhealthy trans fats on food labels by January 2006, food > > companies are racing to get rid of trans fats in their products. There > > are now, for example, " trans-fat-free " Oreos, Fritos, and Cocoa Puffs. > > > > While many think this may be good news, its not. > > > > The bad news: Many companies are replacing trans fats with palm oils and > > other high-in-saturated-fat tropical oils that are almost as > > heart-damaging as trans fats. Kraft, for instance, is using palm oil for > > the filling in its three trans-fat-free Oreo cookie varieties, reported > > The New York Times in February. > > > > Yes, Trans Fats Are the Worst Kind Of Fat > > > > Trans fats are man-made fats that were originally liquid oils but > > through hydrogenation (adding hydrogen to vegetable oils) become solid. > > In ingredient lists, foods with trans fats are usually listed as having > > " partially hydrogenated vegetable oils " like soybean, cottonseed, or > > canola. Numerous studies are now finding that trans fats not only raise > > LDL bad cholesterol but also lower HDL good cholesterol, prompting > > scientists nationwide to deride them as the worst kind of fat. > > > > But Palm Oil Is a Horrible Alternative > > > > But replacing them with palm oil and other tropical oils like coconut > > oil and palm kernel oil? " This is nuts! " " All these tropical oils are > > highly saturated fats. Like butter, cheese, and meat, tropical oils > > raise LDL cholesterol and clog arteries with plaque, increasing your > > risk of a heart attack. " > > > > Coconut oil is getting promoted on the web, internet and even the health > > food industry, saying its healthy because most of its fat is made up of > > " medium " chain fatty acids (MCT), which are metabolized differently. > > Yes, it is true that a small portion of coconut oil is MCT (C-6 to C-10 > > fatty acids) and these do get oxidized more quickly and appear less > > fattening than LCT and also appear to have little impact on LDL-C > > levels. However, because the vast majority of saturated fatty acids in > > cocnut oil are the longer cain fatty acids, C-12 to C-16 (Lauric, > > myristic and palmitic acids) it does in fact elevate LDL-C. " In fact, > > tropical oils can have more cholesterol-raising saturated fat than even > > butter. Coconut oil is 92% saturated, making it more saturated than > > butter, beef tallow, or even lard. Palm oil, though it contain less > > saturated fat (50%), is full of a type of saturated fat, palmitic acid, > > which appears to be most conducive to heart disease. Because of cocnut > > oils extremely high saturated fat content, it will elevate LDL-C more > > than just about any other fat. You just can't believe everything you > > read on the internet. > > > > In addition, the coconut oil industry likes to point out that the > > traditional Polynesian diet - high in tropical oils like coconut - is > > linked with relatively low rates of heart disease. > > > > However, it's important to remember that heart disease involves several > > variables, Yes, studies of people on traditional Polynesian diets have > > found that they have relatively low rates from heart disease despite > > very high LDL cholesterol levels, but other aspects of their native > > lifestyle are very healthful, and probably help counteract the > > cholesterol-raising effect of the coconut fat. Their traditional diet, > > for example, is very high in dietary fiber and heart-healthy omega 3 > > fatty acids, and very low in sodium. Historically, native Polynesians > > also tended to be nonsmokers, and were physically very active. > > All these factors would certainly promote heart health. > > > > Artery Cloggers > > > > Ironically, it was health concerns over tropical oils in the 1980s that > > helped spur food manufacturers to use more trans fats in the first > > place. Now we're going BACK to tropical oils?. We're trading one > > artery-clogger for another?! > > > > Also outraged are nonprofit organizations, like Center for Science in > > the Public Interest (CSPI) in Washington, D.C., which complained to the > > FDA in August that some food labels, specifically Newman's Own, are > > leading Americans to believe that palm oil is significantly more > > healthful than trans fats. CSPI urged the FDA to halt the deceptive > > labeling. > > > > " The fact that palm oil isn't quite as bad as the absolute worst fat > > [trans fats] shouldn't give food marketers carte blanche to portray it > > as some kind of health food, " said CSPI Executive Director > > son, PhD, in a press statement. > > > > > > What To Do: > > > > Go straight to the ingredient list. Steer clear of any product that > > contains partially hydrogenated oils and/or lists trans fats on the > > label as well as those containing tropical oils like coconut oil, palm > > kernel oil, or palm oil. Both trans fats and tropical oils are bad news > > for your heart, just like butter, lard, and beef tallow. > > > > Take political action. Write your congressmen and senators, urging them > > to press the FDA to crack down on claims that trick consumers into > > thinking that palm oils and other tropical oils are health foods, when > > in fact they are high in saturated fats that promote heart disease. > > > > Or go straight to the FDA at www.fda.gov or: > > > > Food and Drug Administration > > 5600 Fishers Lane Room 14-71 > > Rockville, MD 20857 > > > > Let's nip this one before we're " back to the future. " > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 Hi JW: Well coconut oil is of course 100% fat. Of that fat 86.5% is saturated. And of that, 30% is myristic and palmitic - fats which most authorities consider to be the worst naturally occurring kind. Half is lauric acid, which some sources think is wonderful. I will believe that it is wonderful only after major empiricial studies, preferably conducted on the people who recommend this stuff, which add to their diet 20% of calories in the form of coconut oil and track their carotid IMT for five years, and show it to be improving. Or studies on pigs or hamsters which are sacrificed at the appropriate time and examined for CVD lesions and compared with non- coconut oil consuming controls. And if it is found to be beneficial, which foods are you going to now exclude from your diet in order to make way for the substantial number of calories that consuming coconut oil entails? Most of the other foods we eat contain other beneficial nutrients. Coconut oil, as with other oils, contains negligible amounts of other nutrients. Rodney. > > > > > > >>Palm oil is a prime candidate to replace transfats. Read your > labels > > > carefully... > > > > > > I just wrote this on Palm Oil.. > > > > > > The Oiling Of America: Bye Bye Trans Fat, Hello Palm Oil! > > > > > > Responding to the Food and Drug Administration's order to > disclose the > > > amount of unhealthy trans fats on food labels by January 2006, > food > > > companies are racing to get rid of trans fats in their products. > There > > > are now, for example, " trans-fat-free " Oreos, Fritos, and Cocoa > Puffs. > > > > > > While many think this may be good news, its not. > > > > > > The bad news: Many companies are replacing trans fats with palm > oils and > > > other high-in-saturated-fat tropical oils that are almost as > > > heart-damaging as trans fats. Kraft, for instance, is using palm > oil for > > > the filling in its three trans-fat-free Oreo cookie varieties, > reported > > > The New York Times in February. > > > > > > Yes, Trans Fats Are the Worst Kind Of Fat > > > > > > Trans fats are man-made fats that were originally liquid oils but > > > through hydrogenation (adding hydrogen to vegetable oils) become > solid. > > > In ingredient lists, foods with trans fats are usually listed as > having > > > " partially hydrogenated vegetable oils " like soybean, cottonseed, > or > > > canola. Numerous studies are now finding that trans fats not only > raise > > > LDL bad cholesterol but also lower HDL good cholesterol, prompting > > > scientists nationwide to deride them as the worst kind of fat. > > > > > > But Palm Oil Is a Horrible Alternative > > > > > > But replacing them with palm oil and other tropical oils like > coconut > > > oil and palm kernel oil? " This is nuts! " " All these tropical > oils are > > > highly saturated fats. Like butter, cheese, and meat, tropical > oils > > > raise LDL cholesterol and clog arteries with plaque, increasing > your > > > risk of a heart attack. " > > > > > > Coconut oil is getting promoted on the web, internet and even the > health > > > food industry, saying its healthy because most of its fat is made > up of > > > " medium " chain fatty acids (MCT), which are metabolized > differently. > > > Yes, it is true that a small portion of coconut oil is MCT (C- 6 > to C-10 > > > fatty acids) and these do get oxidized more quickly and appear > less > > > fattening than LCT and also appear to have little impact on LDL-C > > > levels. However, because the vast majority of saturated fatty > acids in > > > cocnut oil are the longer cain fatty acids, C-12 to C-16 (Lauric, > > > myristic and palmitic acids) it does in fact elevate LDL- C. " In > fact, > > > tropical oils can have more cholesterol-raising saturated fat > than even > > > butter. Coconut oil is 92% saturated, making it more saturated > than > > > butter, beef tallow, or even lard. Palm oil, though it contain > less > > > saturated fat (50%), is full of a type of saturated fat, palmitic > acid, > > > which appears to be most conducive to heart disease. Because of > cocnut > > > oils extremely high saturated fat content, it will elevate LDL-C > more > > > than just about any other fat. You just can't believe everything > you > > > read on the internet. > > > > > > In addition, the coconut oil industry likes to point out that the > > > traditional Polynesian diet - high in tropical oils like coconut - > is > > > linked with relatively low rates of heart disease. > > > > > > However, it's important to remember that heart disease involves > several > > > variables, Yes, studies of people on traditional Polynesian diets > have > > > found that they have relatively low rates from heart disease > despite > > > very high LDL cholesterol levels, but other aspects of their > native > > > lifestyle are very healthful, and probably help counteract the > > > cholesterol-raising effect of the coconut fat. Their traditional > diet, > > > for example, is very high in dietary fiber and heart-healthy > omega 3 > > > fatty acids, and very low in sodium. Historically, native > Polynesians > > > also tended to be nonsmokers, and were physically very active. > > > All these factors would certainly promote heart health. > > > > > > Artery Cloggers > > > > > > Ironically, it was health concerns over tropical oils in the > 1980s that > > > helped spur food manufacturers to use more trans fats in the first > > > place. Now we're going BACK to tropical oils?. We're trading one > > > artery-clogger for another?! > > > > > > Also outraged are nonprofit organizations, like Center for > Science in > > > the Public Interest (CSPI) in Washington, D.C., which complained > to the > > > FDA in August that some food labels, specifically Newman's Own, > are > > > leading Americans to believe that palm oil is significantly more > > > healthful than trans fats. CSPI urged the FDA to halt the > deceptive > > > labeling. > > > > > > " The fact that palm oil isn't quite as bad as the absolute worst > fat > > > [trans fats] shouldn't give food marketers carte blanche to > portray it > > > as some kind of health food, " said CSPI Executive Director > > > son, PhD, in a press statement. > > > > > > > > > What To Do: > > > > > > Go straight to the ingredient list. Steer clear of any product > that > > > contains partially hydrogenated oils and/or lists trans fats on > the > > > label as well as those containing tropical oils like coconut oil, > palm > > > kernel oil, or palm oil. Both trans fats and tropical oils are > bad news > > > for your heart, just like butter, lard, and beef tallow. > > > > > > Take political action. Write your congressmen and senators, > urging them > > > to press the FDA to crack down on claims that trick consumers into > > > thinking that palm oils and other tropical oils are health foods, > when > > > in fact they are high in saturated fats that promote heart > disease. > > > > > > Or go straight to the FDA at www.fda.gov or: > > > > > > Food and Drug Administration > > > 5600 Fishers Lane Room 14-71 > > > Rockville, MD 20857 > > > > > > Let's nip this one before we're " back to the future. " > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 Hi JW: Well coconut oil is of course 100% fat. Of that fat 86.5% is saturated. And of that, 30% is myristic and palmitic - fats which most authorities consider to be the worst naturally occurring kind. Half is lauric acid, which some sources think is wonderful. I will believe that it is wonderful only after major empiricial studies, preferably conducted on the people who recommend this stuff, which add to their diet 20% of calories in the form of coconut oil and track their carotid IMT for five years, and show it to be improving. Or studies on pigs or hamsters which are sacrificed at the appropriate time and examined for CVD lesions and compared with non- coconut oil consuming controls. And if it is found to be beneficial, which foods are you going to now exclude from your diet in order to make way for the substantial number of calories that consuming coconut oil entails? Most of the other foods we eat contain other beneficial nutrients. Coconut oil, as with other oils, contains negligible amounts of other nutrients. Rodney. > > > > > > >>Palm oil is a prime candidate to replace transfats. Read your > labels > > > carefully... > > > > > > I just wrote this on Palm Oil.. > > > > > > The Oiling Of America: Bye Bye Trans Fat, Hello Palm Oil! > > > > > > Responding to the Food and Drug Administration's order to > disclose the > > > amount of unhealthy trans fats on food labels by January 2006, > food > > > companies are racing to get rid of trans fats in their products. > There > > > are now, for example, " trans-fat-free " Oreos, Fritos, and Cocoa > Puffs. > > > > > > While many think this may be good news, its not. > > > > > > The bad news: Many companies are replacing trans fats with palm > oils and > > > other high-in-saturated-fat tropical oils that are almost as > > > heart-damaging as trans fats. Kraft, for instance, is using palm > oil for > > > the filling in its three trans-fat-free Oreo cookie varieties, > reported > > > The New York Times in February. > > > > > > Yes, Trans Fats Are the Worst Kind Of Fat > > > > > > Trans fats are man-made fats that were originally liquid oils but > > > through hydrogenation (adding hydrogen to vegetable oils) become > solid. > > > In ingredient lists, foods with trans fats are usually listed as > having > > > " partially hydrogenated vegetable oils " like soybean, cottonseed, > or > > > canola. Numerous studies are now finding that trans fats not only > raise > > > LDL bad cholesterol but also lower HDL good cholesterol, prompting > > > scientists nationwide to deride them as the worst kind of fat. > > > > > > But Palm Oil Is a Horrible Alternative > > > > > > But replacing them with palm oil and other tropical oils like > coconut > > > oil and palm kernel oil? " This is nuts! " " All these tropical > oils are > > > highly saturated fats. Like butter, cheese, and meat, tropical > oils > > > raise LDL cholesterol and clog arteries with plaque, increasing > your > > > risk of a heart attack. " > > > > > > Coconut oil is getting promoted on the web, internet and even the > health > > > food industry, saying its healthy because most of its fat is made > up of > > > " medium " chain fatty acids (MCT), which are metabolized > differently. > > > Yes, it is true that a small portion of coconut oil is MCT (C- 6 > to C-10 > > > fatty acids) and these do get oxidized more quickly and appear > less > > > fattening than LCT and also appear to have little impact on LDL-C > > > levels. However, because the vast majority of saturated fatty > acids in > > > cocnut oil are the longer cain fatty acids, C-12 to C-16 (Lauric, > > > myristic and palmitic acids) it does in fact elevate LDL- C. " In > fact, > > > tropical oils can have more cholesterol-raising saturated fat > than even > > > butter. Coconut oil is 92% saturated, making it more saturated > than > > > butter, beef tallow, or even lard. Palm oil, though it contain > less > > > saturated fat (50%), is full of a type of saturated fat, palmitic > acid, > > > which appears to be most conducive to heart disease. Because of > cocnut > > > oils extremely high saturated fat content, it will elevate LDL-C > more > > > than just about any other fat. You just can't believe everything > you > > > read on the internet. > > > > > > In addition, the coconut oil industry likes to point out that the > > > traditional Polynesian diet - high in tropical oils like coconut - > is > > > linked with relatively low rates of heart disease. > > > > > > However, it's important to remember that heart disease involves > several > > > variables, Yes, studies of people on traditional Polynesian diets > have > > > found that they have relatively low rates from heart disease > despite > > > very high LDL cholesterol levels, but other aspects of their > native > > > lifestyle are very healthful, and probably help counteract the > > > cholesterol-raising effect of the coconut fat. Their traditional > diet, > > > for example, is very high in dietary fiber and heart-healthy > omega 3 > > > fatty acids, and very low in sodium. Historically, native > Polynesians > > > also tended to be nonsmokers, and were physically very active. > > > All these factors would certainly promote heart health. > > > > > > Artery Cloggers > > > > > > Ironically, it was health concerns over tropical oils in the > 1980s that > > > helped spur food manufacturers to use more trans fats in the first > > > place. Now we're going BACK to tropical oils?. We're trading one > > > artery-clogger for another?! > > > > > > Also outraged are nonprofit organizations, like Center for > Science in > > > the Public Interest (CSPI) in Washington, D.C., which complained > to the > > > FDA in August that some food labels, specifically Newman's Own, > are > > > leading Americans to believe that palm oil is significantly more > > > healthful than trans fats. CSPI urged the FDA to halt the > deceptive > > > labeling. > > > > > > " The fact that palm oil isn't quite as bad as the absolute worst > fat > > > [trans fats] shouldn't give food marketers carte blanche to > portray it > > > as some kind of health food, " said CSPI Executive Director > > > son, PhD, in a press statement. > > > > > > > > > What To Do: > > > > > > Go straight to the ingredient list. Steer clear of any product > that > > > contains partially hydrogenated oils and/or lists trans fats on > the > > > label as well as those containing tropical oils like coconut oil, > palm > > > kernel oil, or palm oil. Both trans fats and tropical oils are > bad news > > > for your heart, just like butter, lard, and beef tallow. > > > > > > Take political action. Write your congressmen and senators, > urging them > > > to press the FDA to crack down on claims that trick consumers into > > > thinking that palm oils and other tropical oils are health foods, > when > > > in fact they are high in saturated fats that promote heart > disease. > > > > > > Or go straight to the FDA at www.fda.gov or: > > > > > > Food and Drug Administration > > > 5600 Fishers Lane Room 14-71 > > > Rockville, MD 20857 > > > > > > Let's nip this one before we're " back to the future. " > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 The following study, while not disculpating coconut oil for its role in CHD does provide reassurances as to the safety of palm oil. http://www.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/127/3/509S > > > The simple fact is that they will have to substitute something and > > unless the gurus can suggest something that doesn't spoil......? > > > > Come up with a solution. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 The following study, while not disculpating coconut oil for its role in CHD does provide reassurances as to the safety of palm oil. http://www.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/127/3/509S > > > The simple fact is that they will have to substitute something and > > unless the gurus can suggest something that doesn't spoil......? > > > > Come up with a solution. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 Hi : That study shows that in people whose starting cholesterol was somewhat on the high side, total cholesterol is reduced. BUT ONLY BECAUSE OF A LARGE REDUCTION IN HDL. LDL is INCREASED by palm oil in this group. Hardly a reassurance of the safety of palm oil for the majority of the US population whose cholesterol is too high. But it is curious that the results were not the same for people who started out with good cholesterol numbers. Rodney. > > > > > The simple fact is that they will have to substitute something and > > > unless the gurus can suggest something that doesn't spoil......? > > > > > > Come up with a solution. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 Hi : That study shows that in people whose starting cholesterol was somewhat on the high side, total cholesterol is reduced. BUT ONLY BECAUSE OF A LARGE REDUCTION IN HDL. LDL is INCREASED by palm oil in this group. Hardly a reassurance of the safety of palm oil for the majority of the US population whose cholesterol is too high. But it is curious that the results were not the same for people who started out with good cholesterol numbers. Rodney. > > > > > The simple fact is that they will have to substitute something and > > > unless the gurus can suggest something that doesn't spoil......? > > > > > > Come up with a solution. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 Hi JW: fwiw ........ I did a little experiment oxidizing a small sample of my high poly safflower oil. I exposed it to air in full sunshine indoors for some months. To my great surprise it lost its original faint greeny/yellowish tint, and became completely colorless - like glass. I had expected it to brown as so many things do when they oxidize. The message is not to use a darkening in color to warn of oxidation. The aroma changed to a somewhat oxidized, a bit sherry-like, character. So using the nose to detect oxidation seems to be better for this product. I believe the different types of safflower oil come from somewhat different types (sub-species?) of plant. But I can't provide a source documenting that. Rodney. > > The simple fact is that they will have to substitute something and unless the gurus can suggest something that doesn't spoil......? > > Come up with a solution. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 Hi JW: fwiw ........ I did a little experiment oxidizing a small sample of my high poly safflower oil. I exposed it to air in full sunshine indoors for some months. To my great surprise it lost its original faint greeny/yellowish tint, and became completely colorless - like glass. I had expected it to brown as so many things do when they oxidize. The message is not to use a darkening in color to warn of oxidation. The aroma changed to a somewhat oxidized, a bit sherry-like, character. So using the nose to detect oxidation seems to be better for this product. I believe the different types of safflower oil come from somewhat different types (sub-species?) of plant. But I can't provide a source documenting that. Rodney. > > The simple fact is that they will have to substitute something and unless the gurus can suggest something that doesn't spoil......? > > Come up with a solution. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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