Re: Re: Yet More Vitamin D Benefits

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They have become overweight and lazy not because of the particular food but because they ate too much of it. Take the maligned Mac. They also sell a breakfast egg muffin, with cheese and Canadian bacon. Not the biscuit version - biscuits have too much fat and salt.

So if a person ate ONE of them each meal they'd lose weight probably, because they aren't that many calories in this carefully choreographed unit of food.

IMO, 'most" norte americanos are NOT cutting back on much, and they drive every where they go, like across the street. Many of them won't cut their own grass - with a power mower.

We haven't yet discovered why some add on so much weight while others stay slim. Cutting calories, exercise are only parts of the picture.

Making rules like whether obesers can have medical care is tricky - probably not a viable solution here.

I had a friend, a Hindu, that needed his second pair of hips at 57yo. He was 145#, did the stairstepper several times per week. A vegetarian, but he just ate no meat. So we could easily say it's his fault because he didn't eat meat. He did eat milk, eggs, yogurt, etc.

So could we say he can't have new hips because he's a vegetarian? Fortunately he has an insurance policy, and he probably won't retire until he has to.

It seems odd, we the ones who eat right and are healthy, don't need as much care perhaps, and we want to deny care to the sick? Obesers are sick with something - we just haven't found what it is.

Perhaps the IGF-1 + insulin resistance thing will come to light in the next year or two.

Maybe all they need is an adiponectin shot.

Regards.

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It is ironic that this list includes some of the most maligned foodsin the last fifty years, a time during which North Americans, cuttingback on them because they are told these are unhealthy for them, havebecome the very lazy, overweight, pitiful epigones of the hardy peoplethey once were. >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4521060.stm> > Rodney.

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They have become overweight and lazy not because of the particular food but because they ate too much of it. Take the maligned Mac. They also sell a breakfast egg muffin, with cheese and Canadian bacon. Not the biscuit version - biscuits have too much fat and salt.

So if a person ate ONE of them each meal they'd lose weight probably, because they aren't that many calories in this carefully choreographed unit of food.

IMO, 'most" norte americanos are NOT cutting back on much, and they drive every where they go, like across the street. Many of them won't cut their own grass - with a power mower.

We haven't yet discovered why some add on so much weight while others stay slim. Cutting calories, exercise are only parts of the picture.

Making rules like whether obesers can have medical care is tricky - probably not a viable solution here.

I had a friend, a Hindu, that needed his second pair of hips at 57yo. He was 145#, did the stairstepper several times per week. A vegetarian, but he just ate no meat. So we could easily say it's his fault because he didn't eat meat. He did eat milk, eggs, yogurt, etc.

So could we say he can't have new hips because he's a vegetarian? Fortunately he has an insurance policy, and he probably won't retire until he has to.

It seems odd, we the ones who eat right and are healthy, don't need as much care perhaps, and we want to deny care to the sick? Obesers are sick with something - we just haven't found what it is.

Perhaps the IGF-1 + insulin resistance thing will come to light in the next year or two.

Maybe all they need is an adiponectin shot.

Regards.

[ ] Re: Yet More Vitamin D Benefits

It is ironic that this list includes some of the most maligned foodsin the last fifty years, a time during which North Americans, cuttingback on them because they are told these are unhealthy for them, havebecome the very lazy, overweight, pitiful epigones of the hardy peoplethey once were. >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4521060.stm> > Rodney.

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>>>>But the above does seem a little strange. Especially when people in

the sun all day get many thousands of IUs of vitamin D daily. So is

skin-generated vitamin D different from the pill type?

Quoting...

Additionally, we also now realize that the Food and Nutrition Board's previously

defined Upper Limit (UL) for safe intake at 2,000 IU/day was set

far too low and that the physiologic requirement for vitamin D in

adults may be as high as 5,000 IU/day, which is less than half of

the >10,000 IU that can be produced endogenously with full-body

sun exposure.1,2

1. Vieth R. Vitamin D supplementation, 25-hydroxyvitamin D concentrations, and

safety. Am J

Clin Nutr. 1999;69(5):842-56.

2. Heaney RP, Davies KM, Chen TC, Holick MF, Barger-Lux MJ. Human serum

25-hydroxycholecalciferol

response to extended oral dosing with cholecalciferol. Am J Clin

Nutr.2003;77(1):204-10.

http://www.bioticsresearch.com/PDF/Vitamin%20D%20ATHM2004%20Vasquez.pdf

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>>>>But the above does seem a little strange. Especially when people in

the sun all day get many thousands of IUs of vitamin D daily. So is

skin-generated vitamin D different from the pill type?

Quoting...

Additionally, we also now realize that the Food and Nutrition Board's previously

defined Upper Limit (UL) for safe intake at 2,000 IU/day was set

far too low and that the physiologic requirement for vitamin D in

adults may be as high as 5,000 IU/day, which is less than half of

the >10,000 IU that can be produced endogenously with full-body

sun exposure.1,2

1. Vieth R. Vitamin D supplementation, 25-hydroxyvitamin D concentrations, and

safety. Am J

Clin Nutr. 1999;69(5):842-56.

2. Heaney RP, Davies KM, Chen TC, Holick MF, Barger-Lux MJ. Human serum

25-hydroxycholecalciferol

response to extended oral dosing with cholecalciferol. Am J Clin

Nutr.2003;77(1):204-10.

http://www.bioticsresearch.com/PDF/Vitamin%20D%20ATHM2004%20Vasquez.pdf

[Guest guest]

Yes, as has been discussed here before there is a huge difference

between sunlight and supplementing Vitamin D wrt toxicity. IMO this is

pretty similar to the relationship between beta carotene and Vitamin A.

Just like you don't overdose on precursors for Vitamin A, sunlight

doesn't generate Vitamin D in a linear fashion it provides the raw

material that the body converts to Vitamin D as needed.

We should always be careful if taking vitamins especially those that are

fat soluble as the body saves the excess.

Once again IMO a good book on the subject is " Sunlight " by Kime.

JR

Rodney wrote:

> Hi folks:

>

> It looks like JW's answer will likely be: " Yes " . For vitamin

> D ..............

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> " Doses greater than 1,000 IU a day are not recommended; signs and

> symptoms of a toxic reaction include loss of appetite, headache,

> nausea, vomiting, diarrhea and excessive thirst and urination. Taking

> 10,000 to 15,000 IU a day regularly can cause weight loss, paleness,

> constipation, fever, and a number of serious complications. Long-term

> overconsumption of vitamin D at any dose greater than 1,000 IU day

> may cause high blood pressure and premature hardening of the

> arteries. Bones may weaken and a calcium buildup in muscles and other

> soft tissues may occur. Kidney damage may also develop. "

>

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> http://www.wholehealthmd.com/refshelf/substances_view/1,1525,905,00.ht

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> But the above does seem a little strange. Especially when people in

> the sun all day get many thousands of IUs of vitamin D daily. So is

> skin-generated vitamin D different from the pill type?

>

> Rodney.

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>>> So do we supplement vit D, and possibly raise BP? How much?

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>>> Regards.

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[Guest guest]

Yes, as has been discussed here before there is a huge difference

between sunlight and supplementing Vitamin D wrt toxicity. IMO this is

pretty similar to the relationship between beta carotene and Vitamin A.

Just like you don't overdose on precursors for Vitamin A, sunlight

doesn't generate Vitamin D in a linear fashion it provides the raw

material that the body converts to Vitamin D as needed.

We should always be careful if taking vitamins especially those that are

fat soluble as the body saves the excess.

Once again IMO a good book on the subject is " Sunlight " by Kime.

JR

Rodney wrote:

> Hi folks:

>

> It looks like JW's answer will likely be: " Yes " . For vitamin

> D ..............

>

> " Doses greater than 1,000 IU a day are not recommended; signs and

> symptoms of a toxic reaction include loss of appetite, headache,

> nausea, vomiting, diarrhea and excessive thirst and urination. Taking

> 10,000 to 15,000 IU a day regularly can cause weight loss, paleness,

> constipation, fever, and a number of serious complications. Long-term

> overconsumption of vitamin D at any dose greater than 1,000 IU day

> may cause high blood pressure and premature hardening of the

> arteries. Bones may weaken and a calcium buildup in muscles and other

> soft tissues may occur. Kidney damage may also develop. "

>

> From:

>

> http://www.wholehealthmd.com/refshelf/substances_view/1,1525,905,00.ht

> ml

>

> But the above does seem a little strange. Especially when people in

> the sun all day get many thousands of IUs of vitamin D daily. So is

> skin-generated vitamin D different from the pill type?

>

> Rodney.

>

>

>>

>>> So do we supplement vit D, and possibly raise BP? How much?

>>>

>>> Regards.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think 800 IU bid might increase my BP and you had noted it, but I have no refs for that, like most of the stuff I find for myself.

I'm not sure what the levels is I need to supp, since I have no feedback/symptom other than BP. I doubt very seriously my doc will measure serum levels.

Recognize the "other" channel of calcification, ie, mechanized by the gut, is not usually discussed by these folks.

Regards.

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Hi JW:Just to be clear ............. are you saying that vitamin D can increase blood pressure?Rodney.> So do we supplement vit D, and possibly raise BP? How much?> > Regards.

[Guest guest]

I think 800 IU bid might increase my BP and you had noted it, but I have no refs for that, like most of the stuff I find for myself.

I'm not sure what the levels is I need to supp, since I have no feedback/symptom other than BP. I doubt very seriously my doc will measure serum levels.

Recognize the "other" channel of calcification, ie, mechanized by the gut, is not usually discussed by these folks.

Regards.

[ ] Re: Yet More Vitamin D Benefits

Hi JW:Just to be clear ............. are you saying that vitamin D can increase blood pressure?Rodney.> So do we supplement vit D, and possibly raise BP? How much?> > Regards.

[Guest guest]

The skin type does not get into the gut. I prev posted the supplement type can be converted in the gut, bypassing the control of the liver/kidney pathway.

Regards.

[ ] Re: Yet More Vitamin D Benefits

Hi folks:It looks like JW's answer will likely be: "Yes". For vitamin D .............."Doses greater than 1,000 IU a day are not recommended; signs and symptoms of a toxic reaction include loss of appetite, headache, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea and excessive thirst and urination. Taking 10,000 to 15,000 IU a day regularly can cause weight loss, paleness, constipation, fever, and a number of serious complications. Long-term overconsumption of vitamin D at any dose greater than 1,000 IU day may cause high blood pressure and premature hardening of the arteries. Bones may weaken and a calcium buildup in muscles and other soft tissues may occur. Kidney damage may also develop."From:http://www.wholehealthmd.com/refshelf/substances_view/1,1525,905,00.htmlBut the above does seem a little strange. Especially when people in the sun all day get many thousands of IUs of vitamin D daily. So is skin-generated vitamin D different from the pill type?Rodney.> > > So do we supplement vit D, and possibly raise BP? How much?> > > > Regards.>

[Guest guest]

The skin type does not get into the gut. I prev posted the supplement type can be converted in the gut, bypassing the control of the liver/kidney pathway.

Regards.

[ ] Re: Yet More Vitamin D Benefits

Hi folks:It looks like JW's answer will likely be: "Yes". For vitamin D .............."Doses greater than 1,000 IU a day are not recommended; signs and symptoms of a toxic reaction include loss of appetite, headache, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea and excessive thirst and urination. Taking 10,000 to 15,000 IU a day regularly can cause weight loss, paleness, constipation, fever, and a number of serious complications. Long-term overconsumption of vitamin D at any dose greater than 1,000 IU day may cause high blood pressure and premature hardening of the arteries. Bones may weaken and a calcium buildup in muscles and other soft tissues may occur. Kidney damage may also develop."From:http://www.wholehealthmd.com/refshelf/substances_view/1,1525,905,00.htmlBut the above does seem a little strange. Especially when people in the sun all day get many thousands of IUs of vitamin D daily. So is skin-generated vitamin D different from the pill type?Rodney.> > > So do we supplement vit D, and possibly raise BP? How much?> > > > Regards.>