assessment

[Guest guest]

Liz,

You are in the new group, so as soon as China and get synchronized, you should be able to access anything in the group. In the meantime, you are listed to receive individual e-mails, so you should be able to get and give feedback.

Uh...yeah. A gold-plated electrode doesn't work very well when it's not gold-plated any more! Dave can probably explain that briefly and comprehensibly, but I can't. The leads you got with your BrainMaster will begin to flake off their plating fairly soon, but I thought you were using Grass electrodes. I've never had one of those lose its plating. You aren't leaving them soaking in alcohol or soy sauce or something like that are you?!

Pete

-----Original Message-----From: joe may [mailto:maydaysasia@...]Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 9:32 AM Subject: Re: assessment

Thanks Pete for all your hard work! I am still waiting for the funding decisions, have a meeting this week. I hope I sm in the new group because as of now I cannot access at all. I will keep trying. BTW from what I am reading about leads, once the gold wears off they are pretty useless, right? Uh-oh! More later, Liz Van Deusen <pvdadp@...> wrote:

The new assessment files, which actually work and pretty well cover the spectrum are now available on the site (/files). The files you need to download are

Assess: the instructions for setting up and running the assessment in 1.9A. Follow these step-by-step, and if you have a training manual, you'll need to replace the appropriate pages with these two.

TLC.assess.rpt1: the form you will need in order to perform the assessments. With this form, you will not need any macro. Just follow the instructions in the Assess file above, paste your data directly from the .xlf files onto the front page of this form, and you will automatically produce a file of microvolt data, a file of ratio and percent data and a file of findings, in English, which compare your data against a variety of targets and give you suggestions as to what it may mean.

Personal: the new Macro form, which includes only the macro for processing the subjective Issues Checklist data. I recommend downloading this file and placing it into the folder on your hard drive called XLStart (search for it, if you don't know where it is). That will help you avoid using an out of date macro.

If you haven't yet switched over to the group, this is your last chance to do so. Simply go to and click to Join this Group, fill out the page which comes up and click Join at the bottom. As I mentioned previously, the BrainT site will be closed at the end of this week.

I'd very much like to hear any comments or questions on the new assessment. Alvarez-Correa is working on a macro which will automatically load your data into the form, and I'm sure that we will continue to make adjustments to the measures on the Findings pages, but this is pretty close to the "simple" assessment training participants have been asking for over the past year.

Pete

[Guest guest]

Rosemary,

Good question. The answer is that I have been so focused on getting the darned assessment to work that I haven't fooled with the Issues Checklist for quite a while. That one will work just fine with the "Personal" macro and is probably pretty close to the one that most of you trained with.

Now that I have all these good heads in one place, I would tremendously appreciate your help in reviewing and recommending changes to either the assessment or the issues checklist. If you notice repetitions or items which don't make sense or words (yes, I know about "perseveration") that baffle clients, please point them out to me. I'd like to tighten the list a bit to shorten the process.

Pete

-----Original Message-----From: Rosemary Herron [mailto:reherron@...]Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 9:00 PM Subject: Re: assessment

Tom,

There is an extra one in the File: "TLC.issueChklst.xls" dated 4/14/02

Is this an old one that we should not use?

Rosemary H.

----- Original Message -----

From: Van Deusen

Assess: the instructions for setting up and running the assessment in 1.9A. Follow these step-by-step, and if you have a training manual, you'll need to replace the appropriate pages with these two.

TLC.assess.rpt1: the form you will need in order to perform the assessments. With this form, you will not need any macro. Just follow the instructions in the Assess file above, paste your data directly from the .xlf files onto the front page of this form, and you will automatically produce a file of microvolt data, a file of ratio and percent data and a file of findings, in English, which compare your data against a variety of targets and give you suggestions as to what it may mean.

Personal: the new Macro form, which includes only the macro for processing the subjective Issues Checklist data. I recommend downloading this file and placing it into the folder on your hard drive called XLStart (search for it, if you don't know where it is). That will help you avoid using an out of date macro.

If you haven't yet switched over to the group, this is your last chance to do so. Simply go to and click to Join this Group, fill out the page which comes up and click Join at the bottom. As I mentioned previously, the BrainT site will be closed at the end of this week.

I'd very much like to hear any comments or questions on the new assessment. Alvarez-Correa is working on a macro which will automatically load your data into the form, and I'm sure that we will continue to make adjustments to the measures on the Findings pages, but this is pretty close to the "simple" assessment training participants have been asking for over the past year.

Pete

[Guest guest]

Dear Pete,

Just a note to say THANKS for all the work you are doing with the assessments and all the support you lend to home users and clinicians a like. I know we all appreciate your input, intelligence and knowledge!!

JoAnn

[Guest guest]

My pleasure. Guys like , Bob Bussey, Rocatti and others who are doing work to make the BrainMaster platform do what it should be able to do are also worthy of thanks in all our books.

Pete

-----Original Message-----From: biocenterflorida@... [mailto:biocenterflorida@...]Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 11:56 PM Subject: Re: assessmentDear Pete,Just a note to say THANKS for all the work you are doing with the assessments and all the support you lend to home users and clinicians a like. I know we all appreciate your input, intelligence and knowledge!! JoAnn

[Guest guest]

Pat,

I have no idea why that would happen. If you press Go only one time, client

sitting with eyes closed, and just let the clock run from when it finishes

flushing the buffers until it gives you the signal that it is done, I've never

had this happen to me.

Tell me a little more, step by step from start to finish, and let's see if we

can track it down.

Pete

On Wed, 22 May 2002 19:41:24 -0500 Pat <ptsmith@...> wrote:

Pete, when I'm doing an assessment my charts only record 2 minutes -

dropping the first minute of eyes closed - and I'm very careful to only

push go, never play. Am I doing something wrong? Pat

[Guest guest]

This happens to me all the time, too, ever since I've

done it on 1.9A. The three minutes recorded correctly

on 1.8 even though I had to do left/right sides

separately. Also, as of late I am getting only 00's

for the readouts. I deleted all the old files, and it

is still giving zeros. Any suggestions? Ann

--- pvdadp@... wrote:

> Pat,

>

> I have no idea why that would happen. If you press

> Go only one time, client sitting with eyes closed,

> and just let the clock run from when it finishes

> flushing the buffers until it gives you the signal

> that it is done, I've never had this happen to me.

>

> Tell me a little more, step by step from start to

> finish, and let's see if we can track it down.

>

> Pete

>

> On Wed, 22 May 2002 19:41:24 -0500 Pat

> <ptsmith@...> wrote:

>

> Pete, when I'm doing an assessment my charts only

> record 2 minutes -

> dropping the first minute of eyes closed - and I'm

> very careful to only

> push go, never play. Am I doing something wrong?

> Pat

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

This may be a Nebraska thing. I don't know why you guys are having this difficulty, but so far it doesn't sound like anyone else is.

I'm not sure what you mean by getting zeros for the readouts. Are you saying that you only see zeroes on the graphs? Or is your first minute showing zeroes?

Erasing the old files within a folder (e.g. the SUM files) isn't as helpful as setting up a new folder. With all the training sessions I do, I'm up to Assmt3. Each folder can hold (I think) 80 sessions in 1.9A. Once you get past that number, the new data just drops off after it is calculated for the session averages. Try creating a new folder, call it Assess2 or whatever, and then read in the setup files from your old one.

Pete

-----Original Message-----From: ANN PATTNO [mailto:annpattno@...]Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 1:01 AM Subject: Re: Re: assessmentThis happens to me all the time, too, ever since I'vedone it on 1.9A. The three minutes recorded correctlyon 1.8 even though I had to do left/right sidesseparately. Also, as of late I am getting only 00'sfor the readouts. I deleted all the old files, and itis still giving zeros. Any suggestions? Ann--- pvdadp@... wrote:

[Guest guest]

Hi Pete, I'm getting appropriate numbers so that must not be a Nebraska

thing. To solve the problem of the dropped first minute, I just set it

for 4 min. instead of 3 and have the client keep their eyes closed for

the first 2 min., seems to work just fine. Pat

[Guest guest]

Sue,

The TLC assess.xlt file in the Assessment folder is one that seems to work for

pretty much everyone. It is easy to print, and if you have Excel, you should be

able to use it without any macros. However, it does require that you cut and

paste the data into it.

The file in the assess beta folder is Alvarez Correa's improvement on my

assessment, which includes a nice macro to load the data more easily without

cutting and pasting. Some of us have gotten it to work beautifully; others have

had problems making it work on their systems. You will need to have the TLC

macro in your XLStart folder in order to use this file. You also have to

re-format it to get it to print on single pages.

I'd be inclined to try the 's version first. If you can get it to work,

and I'll be happy to help you with that, it's well worth the little effort. If

you can't get it to work (and please follow the directions), you can always

download my version and use that.

Pete

On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 18:36:05 -0700 (PDT) sue stanhope <suestanhope@...>

wrote:

Pete,

The Braintrainer site has more than one assessment:

TLC assess.xlt dated 5/10/02 in the Assessments

folder

and

TLC assess.xlt dated 5/29/02 in the Assessment Beta

folder.

Which one should I use?

Likewise, there is a TLC.xls on 5/10/02 and

a TLC.xls on 5/16/02. What are these macros used for?

and which one to use?

Thanks.

Sue

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[Guest guest]

Pete,

Have just spent an enormous amount of time trying to get clear which files in my computer are which. And down;loaded more from .

's beta files have a TLC.xls file that is different from your TLC.xls file that is already in my XLStart folder. If I save 's it will replace yours. If I decide not to use (or can't use) 's then I would have to reload yours? If this is correct let me know. If not correct please explain why!

REH

Re: assessment

Sue,The TLC assess.xlt file in the Assessment folder is one that seems to work for pretty much everyone. It is easy to print, and if you have Excel, you should be able to use it without any macros. However, it does require that you cut and paste the data into it.The file in the assess beta folder is Alvarez Correa's improvement on my assessment, which includes a nice macro to load the data more easily without cutting and pasting. Some of us have gotten it to work beautifully; others have had problems making it work on their systems. You will need to have the TLC macro in your XLStart folder in order to use this file. You also have to re-format it to get it to print on single pages.I'd be inclined to try the 's version first. If you can get it to work, and I'll be happy to help you with that, it's well worth the little effort. If you can't get it to work (and please follow the directions), you can always download my version and use that.PeteOn Sat, 15 Jun 2002 18:36:05 -0700 (PDT) sue stanhope <suestanhope@...> wrote:Pete,The Braintrainer site has more than one assessment:TLC assess.xlt dated 5/10/02 in the AssessmentsfolderandTLC assess.xlt dated 5/29/02 in the Assessment Betafolder.Which one should I use?Likewise, there is a TLC.xls on 5/10/02 and a TLC.xls on 5/16/02. What are these macros used for?and which one to use?Thanks.Sue__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Rosemary,

's TLC.xls file on the list site contains the same Issues Checklist macro as the old Personal.xls and any old TLC.xls files. You can (and should) replace all of the old files in the XLStart folder. Whether you use 's version of the assessment or my older one, you'll be okay. 's version uses the macros in TLC.xls. My version does not use any macros. The Issues Checklist uses the Issues macro, which is in TLC.xls.

In short, dump the other xls files out of XLStart, and install 's. You'll still be able to use any of the options for assessment and issues checklist.

Hope this is less confusing to read than it was to write.

Pete

-----Original Message-----From: neurotherapy [mailto:neurotherapy@...]Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 5:15 PM Subject: Re: Re: assessment

Pete,

Have just spent an enormous amount of time trying to get clear which files in my computer are which. And down;loaded more from .

's beta files have a TLC.xls file that is different from your TLC.xls file that is already in my XLStart folder. If I save 's it will replace yours. If I decide not to use (or can't use) 's then I would have to reload yours? If this is correct let me know. If not correct please explain why!

REH

Re: assessment

Sue,The TLC assess.xlt file in the Assessment folder is one that seems to work for pretty much everyone. It is easy to print, and if you have Excel, you should be able to use it without any macros. However, it does require that you cut and paste the data into it.The file in the assess beta folder is Alvarez Correa's improvement on my assessment, which includes a nice macro to load the data more easily without cutting and pasting. Some of us have gotten it to work beautifully; others have had problems making it work on their systems. You will need to have the TLC macro in your XLStart folder in order to use this file. You also have to re-format it to get it to print on single pages.I'd be inclined to try the 's version first. If you can get it to work, and I'll be happy to help you with that, it's well worth the little effort. If you can't get it to work (and please follow the directions), you can always download my version and use that.PeteOn Sat, 15 Jun 2002 18:36:05 -0700 (PDT) sue stanhope <suestanhope@...> wrote:Pete,The Braintrainer site has more than one assessment:TLC assess.xlt dated 5/10/02 in the AssessmentsfolderandTLC assess.xlt dated 5/29/02 in the Assessment Betafolder.Which one should I use?Likewise, there is a TLC.xls on 5/10/02 and a TLC.xls on 5/16/02. What are these macros used for?and which one to use?Thanks.Sue__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Pete,

It is not working. The file is in XLStart, but when I open Excel it does not show up under new. When I go to XLStart and try to open it from there I get a blank with sheets 1,2 & 3. Tried to reload your TLC.xls and the same thing happens. What's wrong (besides my lack of computer skills)?

REH

Re: assessment

Sue,The TLC assess.xlt file in the Assessment folder is one that seems to work for pretty much everyone. It is easy to print, and if you have Excel, you should be able to use it without any macros. However, it does require that you cut and paste the data into it.The file in the assess beta folder is Alvarez Correa's improvement on my assessment, which includes a nice macro to load the data more easily without cutting and pasting. Some of us have gotten it to work beautifully; others have had problems making it work on their systems. You will need to have the TLC macro in your XLStart folder in order to use this file. You also have to re-format it to get it to print on single pages.I'd be inclined to try the 's version first. If you can get it to work, and I'll be happy to help you with that, it's well worth the little effort. If you can't get it to work (and please follow the directions), you can always download my version and use that.PeteOn Sat, 15 Jun 2002 18:36:05 -0700 (PDT) sue stanhope <suestanhope@...> wrote:Pete,The Braintrainer site has more than one assessment:TLC assess.xlt dated 5/10/02 in the AssessmentsfolderandTLC assess.xlt dated 5/29/02 in the Assessment Betafolder.Which one should I use?Likewise, there is a TLC.xls on 5/10/02 and a TLC.xls on 5/16/02. What are these macros used for?and which one to use?Thanks.Sue__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Rosemary,

There are two different files.

The TLC.xls, which is the macros file, goes in the XLStart folder by itself.

The TLC Assess file, which is the actual assessment file, goes in the templates folder. It should NOT go in the XLStart folder.

The best way get the Assess file in the right place is to:

1. Open TLC Assess from the BrainTrainer Files area; it will automatically open in Excel if you have the program;

2. Select the Save As command in Excel File menu.

3. At the bottom of the Save As... window you'll have the option of naming the file (TLC Assess).

4. Below that will be a pull down menu for "Save As Type".

5. Click on the little arrow to the left of that line; the menu of options will pull down and Template should be near the top.

6. Select Template, and Excel will save the file in the correct place. Then quit the program.

7. The next time you open Excel, go to the File menu and select New. In the window that opens, you should see TLC Assess as one of your options. When you double-click it, the file will open and you are ready to assess your client.

Hope this helps.

Pete

-----Original Message-----From: neurotherapy [mailto:neurotherapy@...]Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 5:08 PM Subject: Re: Re: assessment

Pete,

It is not working. The file is in XLStart, but when I open Excel it does not show up under new. When I go to XLStart and try to open it from there I get a blank with sheets 1,2 & 3. Tried to reload your TLC.xls and the same thing happens. What's wrong (besides my lack of computer skills)?

REH

[Guest guest]

I have done 5 assessments on new intakes in the last 2 weeks or so. These are my first assessments using the Learning Curve tools. The people are clinically quite different -- a daydreaming boy, a man who has been passive and anxious and depressed for his entire adult life, a 13 year old boy with no academic problems but behavior probems, a young boy with poor attention management and consequent academic difficulties, a young teen with academic problems and need for stimulation and sleep problems. However, the interpretations of the brain maps on these people are almost identical. Below is a representative summary. The other 4 summaries have a total of 8 statements that differ from this report (with 2 accounting for almost all of them).

This causes me to wonder: am I doing something wrong in collecting the data? (I am not aware of any systematic errors that I've made; I check all connections with the Checktrode and try to get impedences low and symmetrical). Is there something amiss with my Brainmaster unit? Am I expecting something unrealistic to think that clinical differences would be reflected in more brainmap differences (these people are all very different on the checklist as well as my impressions and presenting issues).

What's up? Please help me understand.-Marged

Frontal Hemispheres

T/B Resting:

High; check for eyeblink artifact; possible P indicator

T/B Challenge:

High; check for eyeblink artifact; possible P indicator

A/T Resting:

Low; organizing/sequencing issues; possible P indicator

High Beta/Beta EC:

High; poor impulse control; possible F or T indicator

Total Power EC:

L Total Power High; memory/cognitive issues; possible P indicator

Beta Coherence:

In range

Left/Right Balance:

Hemispheres balanced

Within range

Frontal alpha imbalance; vulnerable to depression; indicates P or T

Frontal Midline

High Beta/Beta EC:

Excessive high beta; suggests O/C issues; indicates S

Excessive fast activity; suggests worried, fretful thought; indicates S

Peak alpha frequency:

'Very slow alpha, suggests extreme cognitive difficulties and sleep issues, indicates P

SensoriMotor Cortex

Left/Right Balance:

Hemispheres balanced

T/B Resting:

Ratio high; indicates P issues

T/B Challenge:

Ratio high; indicates P issues

A/T Resting:

A/T ratio low; suggests presence issues; indicates P or T

Alpha blocking:

Poor alpha blocking; suggests fogginess; indicates P or F

Alpha Challenge:

Alpha blocking within range

Occipital Cortex

T/B Ratio:

Ratio in range

Ratio within range

A/T Resting:

Poor alpha activation with eyes closed; suggests possible trauma; indicates T or P

Ratio low; suggests anxiety, immune issues; indicates P or T

Peak Alpha Frequency

Peak Frequency in range

Temporal Lobes

Left/Right Balance:

Hemispheres balanced

T/B Resting:

Ratio high; indicates P issues

T/B Challenge:

Ratio high; indicates P issues

[Guest guest]

Marged,

Sounds like you are busy, which is good news!

My first reaction is that these clients don't sound all that different in terms of training category, which is what the assessment is designed to help you identify. My second reaction is that you can't look at the objective material without the subjective (issues checklist) and expect a clear picture. It might be interesting, if you wish, to send the summary sheets from each checklist with the assessment report in 5 separate e-mails, one for each client, and tell us what category you believe they would fall into. That may be a very helpful exercise for you and might allow the rest of us to be of greater help as well. Make sure to include age for each.

I have done 5 assessments on new intakes in the last 2 weeks or so. These are my first assessments using the Learning Curve tools. The people are clinically quite different --

a daydreaming boy,

a man who has been passive and anxious and depressed for his entire adult life,

a young boy with poor attention management and consequent academic difficulties

These three all sound like the same category, based on these thumbnail sketches.

a 13 year old boy with no academic problems but behavior probems,

a young teen with academic problems and need for stimulation and sleep problems.

These two sound like a different category but potentially on the same continuum.

However, the interpretations of the brain maps on these people are almost identical. Below is a representative summary. The other 4 summaries have a total of 8 statements that differ from this report (with 2 accounting for almost all of them). This causes me to wonder: am I doing something wrong in collecting the data? (I am not aware of any systematic errors that I've made; I check all connections with the Checktrode and try to get impedences low and symmetrical). Is there something amiss with my Brainmaster unit? Am I expecting something unrealistic to think that clinical differences would be reflected in more brainmap differences (these people are all very different on the checklist as well as my impressions and presenting issues).

The more assessments you do, the more differences you will see--unless you are working with a fairly cogent population. Remember that these instruments are designed to identify the major brain system that is problematic, the Filtering, Processing, Switching or Tone systems. Presenting problems will fairly shortly fall away as major considerations in choosing a protocol, though they can be very important in setting your client's training goals. As you get more comfortable with seeing the big picture, you'll recognize that initial complaints are often just placement of the emphasis on different syllables in the same word.

It is also helpful to see the page of your assessment which includes the ratios and percents.

It doesn't sound as if you are doing anything wrong.

Pete

Frontal Hemispheres

T/B Resting:

High; check for eyeblink artifact; possible P indicator

T/B Challenge:

High; check for eyeblink artifact; possible P indicator

A/T Resting:

Low; organizing/sequencing issues; possible P indicator

High Beta/Beta EC:

High; poor impulse control; possible F or T indicator

Total Power EC:

L Total Power High; memory/cognitive issues; possible P indicator

Beta Coherence:

In range

Left/Right Balance:

Hemispheres balanced

Within range

Frontal alpha imbalance; vulnerable to depression; indicates P or T

Frontal Midline

High Beta/Beta EC:

Excessive high beta; suggests O/C issues; indicates S

Excessive fast activity; suggests worried, fretful thought; indicates S

Peak alpha frequency:

'Very slow alpha, suggests extreme cognitive difficulties and sleep issues, indicates P

SensoriMotor Cortex

Left/Right Balance:

Hemispheres balanced

T/B Resting:

Ratio high; indicates P issues

T/B Challenge:

Ratio high; indicates P issues

A/T Resting:

A/T ratio low; suggests presence issues; indicates P or T

Alpha blocking:

Poor alpha blocking; suggests fogginess; indicates P or F

Alpha Challenge:

Alpha blocking within range

Occipital Cortex

T/B Ratio:

Ratio in range

Ratio within range

A/T Resting:

Poor alpha activation with eyes closed; suggests possible trauma; indicates T or P

Ratio low; suggests anxiety, immune issues; indicates P or T

Peak Alpha Frequency

Peak Frequency in range

Temporal Lobes

Left/Right Balance:

Hemispheres balanced

T/B Resting:

Ratio high; indicates P issues

T/B Challenge:

Ratio high; indicates P issues

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To a remarkable degree, a QEEG brain map for a person with affective

(emotional) dsyfunction (depression) resembles that of a person with ADD

.. Most brain problems manifest themselves by a slowing of the brain

waves, regardless of the cause. It's balance and contrasts that will give

you the clues. Hang in there!

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Alan

Let me know if your attempts to re-install things in the right order work okay.

Re: the kid smoking pot, my general approach is as follows:

1. Ask him if he has a problem with pot; whether he could stop if he wanted to or whether he is hooked and out of control.

2. If he doesn't have a problem (per him), then I would tell him that the training could change the way his brain helps him do various things that perhaps it doesn't do very well now. Mood and focus issues in particular. On a permanent basis. Without the dope.

3. BUT, explain to him that as long as he is actively smoking, the training has nothing on which to have an impact. He has to make a choice.

4. If he will commit to you that he will not smoke pot for one month and will participate in the training with an open mind, you should be able to help him change his own brain so that he no longer feels the need for the pot and functions better as well.

5. If he agrees, I'd do some frontal squashing and some parietal alpha training (assuming his A/T ratio is not already above 1.5 there) and see how he feels.

6. If he makes it a month, you should be fine. If not, then he has to face the fact that perhaps he does have a problem.

7. If he admits to having a problem on the front end, then that's what you deal with first.

Hope this is helpful.

Pete

assessment

Pete;I use windows 98 and excel 97. Downloaded files prior to Cleveland workshop on my laptop. Assessment worked fine. Last week I downloaded files from your website and then burned onto CD. Downloaded from CD to my office pc. Ran two assessments today and the assessment program would not work. Re-read your instructions. When I open tlc assess the process tab does not have the colored windows (clear data, perform assessment and save assessment). The process tab displays a file with brain regions on one axis and frequency bands on the other axis. The report tab has the assessment windows. When I click on clear data, perform assessment and save assessment I get the same message "the file could not be accessed. Try one of the following: make sure the specified folder exists, etc., etc.Will try your suggestion to delete all files and then download files from the site and start over again.While I'm at it. Thanks for the workshop and your interest in our practice. I have a 17 year old who regularly smokes pot, is not likely to give up the pot, and is demonstrating expected amotivational syndrome and frequent irritability. Wonder if I should even attempt any kind of training unless he cuts the pot use considerably? Of course, theta predominates across regions and tasks. Any one found a protocol that might be useful for chronic marijuana users. He might decrease usage if he can find another way to manage mood.

[Guest guest]

,

Nope, you didn't miss anything. Tom and I are working on synching up the

TLC Assess and 2.0 (and Mini-Q), so that when it finally comes out (and

hopefully well before that) we'll be able to use 2.0 files, which will have

more information (including variance). It's a different file format and has

more information in it, so presently you'll have to keep assessing in 1.9A.

One of the goals is to get the new TLC Assess to work with the mini-Q, so it

will automatically ramp through three minutes of data gathering at site set

1, then pause for you to flick the switch, then run at site set 2, etc.

That should dramatically speed up the process of gathering the data.

Pete

assessment

Pete,

After having done all my assessments on 1.9 I decided to try it with

2.0. I set up the assesment just like the one in 1.9. When I went

to process the data I noticed that right delta always had no data in

the cell. This was true for all sites. Theta coherance was missg

all teh time too. As a result all teh ratios came back with divide

by 0 errors. I checked the xlf files and found no zeros or empty

data cells. I am thinking that perhaps 2.0 outputs the data

differently or something. Any suggestions. Perhaps I missed

something really obvious.

Looking for direction

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,

Great results! Let's hear it for good training!

Pete

assessment

>

>

> Pete,

>

> After having done all my assessments on 1.9 I decided to try it with

> 2.0. I set up the assesment just like the one in 1.9. When I went

> to process the data I noticed that right delta always had no data in

> the cell. This was true for all sites. Theta coherance was missg

> all teh time too. As a result all teh ratios came back with divide

> by 0 errors. I checked the xlf files and found no zeros or empty

> data cells. I am thinking that perhaps 2.0 outputs the data

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[Guest guest]

Melis,

I'm not sure what you mean about files without all the data. Have you been

able to get the 3 minutes of data in any of those?

Although it is best to gather all the sites at once, it's not critical. If

you pull them together at several different times, you can at least get an

idea of what's going on.

If you mean that you have, for example, one minute of eyes closed in one

file, a minute of eyes open at the same site in another file, etc., then it

will be more complicated.

I'll be happy to try to help you, if you want to give me more info

back-channel.

Pete

assessment

Hi Pete,

I have been trying to complete an assessment on the child we

discussed

at Level 2 training in Atlanta. I have not been able to complete the

assessment and now have more than 7 files without all the data. I don't

think

I will be able to do all the placements but wonder if I need to start

over?

Can I really piece it all together that way?

[Guest guest]

Dear Diane:

I had the same problems and move to Office 2000 premiun and then all problems

went away!

Best

Assessment

I'm having trouble with TLC assess in Excel. I do not have the tab button.

Question I have Exel 97. Is this my problem? Do I need an updated version?

Dr. Diane Stoler, Ed.D.

For information on how to obtain

" Coping with Mild Traumatic Brain Injury:

A Guide to Living with the Challenges Associated with Concussion/ Brain

Injury "

Click the link below

<http://www.drdiane.com>

[Guest guest]

Dear Diane:

The main mistake I was doing is that is was not pasting in the right place the

TLC.xls file XLStart folder of the Office Program.Usually in C:/Program

Files/Microsoft Office/Office folder

Best

& Good Luck!!!

Assessment

I'm having trouble with TLC assess in Excel. I do not have the tab button.

Question I have Exel 97. Is this my problem? Do I need an updated version?

Dr. Diane Stoler, Ed.D.

For information on how to obtain

" Coping with Mild Traumatic Brain Injury:

A Guide to Living with the Challenges Associated with Concussion/ Brain

Injury "

Click the link below

<http://www.drdiane.com>

[Guest guest]

Diane,

I'm not sure what you mean by " the tab button " . There are three buttons on the

Report page (Clear Data, Perform Assessment and Save Assessment) and there are

several tabs at the bottom of the page to move from sheet to sheet in the

report.

If you can't see the tabs at the bottom of the page, try clicking the

maximize/resize box in the upper right corner of the window. Sometimes the

window is too big to fit on the screen and the tabs and scroll bars don't show

up.

Pete

Assessment

I'm having trouble with TLC assess in Excel. I do not have the tab button.

Question I have Exel 97. Is this my problem? Do I need an updated version?

Dr. Diane Stoler, Ed.D.

For information on how to obtain

" Coping with Mild Traumatic Brain Injury:

A Guide to Living with the Challenges Associated with Concussion/ Brain

Injury "

Click the link below

<http://www.drdiane.com>

[Guest guest]

,

Remember that you always start by ruling out Tone first, then Balance. The

question is whether she has an early history of trauma or abuse and how

strongly you feel a physiological involvement. Absent these things, you can

try Tone training, but I wouldn't expect it to be the main issue. One of

the best indicators of Tone problems is a tendency to deteriorate

significantly in the face of negative experience: literally to become like

a child. When negative emotions hit Tone clients, cognitive perspective on

their experience is swamped in an instant.

Balance shows up with the normal or lower theta/beta ratios in the central

and frontal areas with eyes closed, combined with beta levels higher at P3

and P4 than they are at F3 and F4 or higher at Oz than at Fz. You may also

find beta stronger at F4 than at F3 or alpha imbalances (more left than

right, more front than back). I usually start with alpha up/theta down

training at P4 (remember to define your alpha at 10-13 Hz and your theta at

3-9Hz if there is slowing in alpha, which I would expect to see in a woman

this age). I'd also do beta up and alpha down (if it's high) or theta down

at F3/A1. If reactions are good to these, then I'd combine them in a

session, with the alpha (or alpha coherence if you are comfortable with it)

in the back followed by a burst of beta in the front.

You can also test C4/A2 SMR up and theta (or alpha, if it's higher) down.

Remember that your assessment is designed to give you starting points to be

tested. See how the client responds to each and set your training protocol

from that.

Pete

assessment

Hello again to all and thank you Pete for the information about my last

assessment and alpha, it was extremely helpful..and not to wear out my

welcome, but I did another assessment (things are booming in Wasilla Ak)

and am a bit confused by the data. This is on a 53 year old woman.

According to the subjective assessment, Tone is strongly the highest

rated problem area however she denies the SAD curve.her objective

assessment shows P=15, B=5, F=3 and T=3. Los of theta. When I sit with

her, she feels very filtering/control, distractible, very fidgety, short

attention span. So, any help on sorting out where to start would be

great.Also with balance issues, is there a best place to begin i.e.

front vs. back or left vs. right? Thanks everyone for your help,

[Guest guest]

Chris

Thanks for Seburn's paper, and the letter. I'm guessing you've had more experience in NFB with RAD children. What kinds of protocols do you use? My best guess if I were able to do it (DSS is stll skepticle of NFB) start with tone T3/T4 training if there is abuse, then do balance if there are issues, moving into the other areas as that is done. Larry Van Bloem found that out of 39 RAD children who had QEEG done, there was hot spots in the right prefrontal, frontal, and temporal lobes. He suggest calming those areas, but Pete maintains that if you don't do the basic work first, success will be short lived.

Any ideas. I have just seen my first child who's parents may be able to do NFB. He is a Russian adoptee, been adopted for 5 years, and still does not respond to request, is oppositional, encopretic, eneuretic, but has this amazing ability to FOCUS when he wants. I'll attach the evaluation I just did on him. Subjective and objective. I'll call him Rusty.