Re: Sex hormone trial fails to produce anti-aging benefits.

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--- In , Jeff Novick <chefjeff40@...>

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> Sex hormone trial fails to produce " anti-aging " benefits.

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> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Retrieve & dopt=AbstractPlus & list_uids=17050889 & itool=pubm

ed_AbstractPlus

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FYI, Life Extension's recent article on DHEA:

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2006/nov2006_report_dhea_01.htm

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I looked at this hurredly and briefly so someone correct me if I'm wrong. Lef sells these supplements and thus has a conflict of interest. Also although the article alluded to " studies " , I notice there were no specific citations given.

on 1/6/2007 7:47 AM, at truepatriot@... wrote:

FYI, Life Extension's recent article on DHEA:

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2006/nov2006_report_dhea_01.htm

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Consider yourself corrected:

1) LEF does sell supplements, yes. However, they are a nonprofit.

2) The extensive list of citations is at the end of page 2.

(They are very good about providing their sources.)

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> FYI, Life Extension's recent article on DHEA:

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> http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2006/nov2006_report_dhea_01.htm

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Hi :

I know absolutely nothing about LEF, so the following may not apply

to them.

But in many cases, being a '''nonprofit''' means nothing apart from

the fact that the business was set up intending to make as much money

as possible (nothing wrong with that), but then pay out all of what

would have been profit in wages to the person who set it up - thereby

showing no net income IN THE BUSINESS.

The reason to do it that way often is because it is an attactive

marketing tool to entice customers who think this means they are

getting products at cost, or at some special lower price - which

usually is not the case.

But the profit motive in cases like that described above is

essentially no different from that of an incorporated entity. This

is not a criticism of the profit motive which is a major reason the

US has long had the most successful economy, and most prosperous

population, in the history of the planet. But rather just to suggest

not to automatically attribute purely altruistic motives to people

who start up nonprofits.

Rodney.

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I have to second Rodney's opinion here. I work for a " nonprofit "

research institute. Thus, instead of dividing our profits among

stockholders, we plow it back into infrastructure. Our objective is

still to make as large a profit as possible.

Diane

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> > > FYI, Life Extension's recent article on DHEA:

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Ah, well... I guess we'll have to rely on

their extensive list of references then

as opposed to any sort of reputation.

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> I have to second Rodney's opinion here. I work for a " nonprofit "

> research institute. Thus, instead of dividing our profits among

> stockholders, we plow it back into infrastructure. Our objective is

> still to make as large a profit as possible.

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> Diane

[Guest guest]

>>> I guess we'll have to rely on

their extensive list of references then

as opposed to any sort of reputation.

" :references " in and of themselves, dont prove anything.

Checking the references, to ensure they are relevant, current, accurate and

related, would mean more.

As we saw recently with some references posted here on EFAs, out of about 15 or

so that Rodney checked, most all of them had nothing to do with the topic they

were supposed to be supporting.

Regards

Jeff

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No argument there. Just pointing out they exist, as even that

was missed by some (one?) initially. The doubters can do exactly

what you propose and grunt through them as Rodney had done in the

past with another article (from a more sordid site).

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--- In , Jeff Novick <chefjeff40@...>

wrote:

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> >>> I guess we'll have to rely on

> their extensive list of references then

> as opposed to any sort of reputation.

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> " :references " in and of themselves, dont prove anything.

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> Checking the references, to ensure they are relevant, current,

accurate and related, would mean more.

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> As we saw recently with some references posted here on EFAs, out of

about 15 or so that Rodney checked, most all of them had nothing to

do with the topic they were supposed to be supporting.

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> Regards

> Jeff

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