Re: Web MD cover story on lifestyles and longevity

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Hmmm. I took it and it calculated 103!! Not bad. I'll take it. Perhaps this calculator takes BMI into account more than past discussed calculators. It's probably the highest number I've gotten yet.

on 1/24/2007 6:57 PM, Jeff Novick at chefjeff40@... wrote:

I havent checked this out yet but thought some of you might be interested.

Regards

Jeff

How Long Will You Live to Be?

A major national magazine is teaming with WebMD to produce a cover story on lifestyles and longevity. As part of research for the feature, we're seeking participants to take a longevity calculator, which should take 10 minutes or less. If you want to be considered for inclusion in the magazine cover story and are under 50, http://www.livingto100.com/calculator/disclaimer If you'd like to be considered and are over 50, http://www.eons.com/webmd?ecd=wnl_din_012207

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At 05:35 PM 1/24/2007, you wrote:

Hmmm. I took it and it

calculated 103!! Not bad. I'll take it. Perhaps

this calculator takes BMI into account more than past discussed

calculators. It's probably the highest number I've gotten

yet.

Yes. My 100 was the best I've seen, by a few years, too.

As soon as I drop the crack cocaine and dirty needles, I get an extra 2.5

years, too.

Just kidding about the last, of course.

Maco

on 1/24/2007 6:57 PM, Jeff

Novick at chefjeff40@... wrote:

I havent checked this out yet but thought some of you might be

interested.

Regards

Jeff

How Long Will You Live to Be?

A major national magazine is teaming with WebMD to produce a cover

story on lifestyles and longevity. As part of research for the feature,

we're seeking participants to take a longevity calculator, which should

take 10 minutes or less. If you want to be considered for inclusion in

the magazine cover story and are under 50,

http://www.livingto100.com/calculator/disclaimer If

you'd like to be considered and are over 50,

http://www.eons.com/webmd?ecd=wnl_din_012207

[Guest guest]

I was a bit short of Francesca´s 103 years on the longevity test. but with some improvements....... I wonder about the touted benefits of a daily aspirin and daily flossing for reducing risk of CVD, for us on CR who already have a lowered risk of CVD. // Ulf

I havent checked this out yet but thought some of you might be interested. RegardsJeffHow Long Will You Live to Be?A major national magazine is teaming with WebMD to produce a cover story on lifestyles and longevity. As part of research for the feature, we're seeking participants to take a longevity calculator, which should take 10 minutes or less. If you want to be considered for inclusion in the magazine cover story and are under 50, http://www.livingto100.com/calculator/disclaimer If you'd like to be considered and are over 50, http://www.eons.com/webmd?ecd=wnl_din_012207

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No doubt you get extra points if you're female. The test is far from perfect. I noted that they gave points for any long-lived immediate family. But we posted a study here recently that questioned the importance of long-lived relatives. There there was a question about sunscreen (skin cancer is usually highly curable) and none about driving habits or seat belts. The alcohol question did not differentiate red wine from other kinds of alcohol. The " stress " part only took into account current stressors; but what about past ones and future ones? For example many of us during our lives will go through losing a spouse, or divorce etc. All highly stressful.

on 1/25/2007 3:32 PM, Ulf Rasmusson at ulf.rasmusson@... wrote:

I was a bit short of Francesca´s 103 years on the longevity test. but with some improvements....... I wonder about the touted benefits of a daily aspirin and daily flossing for reducing risk of CVD, for us on CR who already have a lowered risk of CVD. // Ulf

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Hi Ulf:

The same applies to almost all these studies, unfortunately. We

never know if they apply to us since they are always done on ad

libbers, and we have reduced risk for just about everything compared

with them. Does wine benefit us as it does them? We don't know.

Does exercise benefit us as them? And so on.

There is one paper reporting on a study in mice which apparently

showed that, while adding resveratrol to the diet of ad lib mice

extended lifespan appreciably, it provided no additional benefit for

mice on CR. If this applies to other issues then much of this

research is a waste of time from our point of view.

As regards aspirin, I take it for its apparent protection against

colon cancer, not CVD which has never seemed like a major risk for

me.

Doing studies on ad libbers seems to make limited sense. Why spend a

fortune doing research to see whether there is benefit for people who

have already demonstrated their unwillingness to do what everyone

ought to know by now is required to improve their health? Wouldn't

it make more sense to do research of relevance to those who have

already demonstrated the willingness and ability (determination

perhaps) to make changes in their lives that have been shown by

serious science to improve health? Is the former group going to pay

any more attention to the results derived from those new research

expenditures, than they have to the earlier advice? Not likely.

Rodney.

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> Calorie Restriction/Optimum NutritionI was a bit short of

Francesca´s 103 years on the longevity test. but with some

improvements.......

> I wonder about the touted benefits of a daily aspirin and daily

flossing for reducing risk of CVD, for us on CR who already have a

lowered risk of CVD. // Ulf

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> I havent checked this out yet but thought some of you might be

interested.

> Regards

> Jeff

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> How Long Will You Live to Be?

> A major national magazine is teaming with WebMD to produce a cover

story on lifestyles and longevity. As part of research for the

feature, we're seeking participants to take a longevity calculator,

which should take 10 minutes or less. If you want to be considered

for inclusion in the magazine cover story and are under 50,

http://www.livingto100.com/calculator/disclaimer If you'd like to be

considered and are over 50, http://www.eons.com/webmd?

ecd=wnl_din_012207

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Hi Francesca:

Yes. And they didn't ask whether people restrained their caloric

intake to substantially below what they would like to eat. Nor did

they ask if they periodically checked carefully to see if their diets

were deficient in any important nutrients. Which are probably the

two key issues in CRON lifespan extension.

For this reason it may be that our lifespans as a group on average

may be greater than they calculate.

Rodney.

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> I was a bit short of Francesca´s 103 years on the longevity test.

but with

> some improvements....... I wonder about the touted benefits of a

daily

> aspirin and daily flossing for reducing risk of CVD, for us on CR

who

> already have a lowered risk of CVD. // Ulf

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Rodney wrote: "As regards aspirin, I take it for its apparent protection against colon cancer, not CVD which has never seemed like a major risk for me".

This led me to search the archives of the support group, and I found a post from Rodney dated May 20, 2005:

"Hi JR:Yes. In principle I agree with you. Avoid (almost) all medications unless ABSOLUTELY necessary. However I have made an exception in the case of aspirin because of its multiple, apparent, benefits, many of which have been attributed to its anti-inflammatory characteristics. And of course we know that more and more problems are now being traced to inflammation.These benefits (of daily aspirin) include a significant reduction in colon cancer risk and a smaller reduction in prostate cancer risk.(Does aspirin qualify as an NSAID? If so, one study attributed a 66% reduction in prostate cancer incidence to taking NSAIDs.)So even if we do not need to be concerned with CVD, there may be good reason to take aspirin for other benefits.OTOH since aspirin may contribute to hemorrhagic strokes - the type CR people are more likely to get, that may be a special risk we need to be cautious about".// Rodney

What could a daily aspirin dose be to achieve such a reduction in the risk of those two types of cancers? Hemorrhagic strokes sounds a bit scary, but I suppose that risk is much less or you (Rodney) would not be taking aspirin... is there any way of assessing the risk of that for a particular individual? // Ulf

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I have several thoughts on prophylactic aspirin use. First if it didn't do anything there would be no reason to take it so lets not get too comfortable with it being innocuous. While not as bad as making diet or life choices based on life extension in worms or mice, making supplementation decisions based on general advice for "typical" followers of the SAD (standard American Diet) may also be suspect.Aspirin is both a blood thinner and anti-inflammatory. My suspicion is the later effect is the more beneficial actor when consumed by the typical SAD individual with generally elevated inflammation levels from over eating, being overweight, with poor n3/n6 fat balance in their diet.   Most blood work for practicing CRONies already show reduced inflammation markers (CRP? etc). While it's obvious there can be such a thing as too thin blood (wafarin a powerful blood thinner is used as rat poison), might there be such a thing as too low inflammation level too?I lump the practice of prophylactic aspirin use in with sundry other "general" diet advice based on assumptions of a poorly managed diet, with high energy balance, and low nutrition. Choose your own path based on your personal condition and needs. I don't have any answers but I see questions here.JROn Jan 26, 2007, at 6:45 AM, Ulf Rasmusson wrote:Hi,Rodney wrote: "As regards aspirin, I take it for its apparent protection against colon cancer, not CVD which has never seemed like a major risk for me".    This led me to search the archives of the support group, and I found a post from Rodney dated May 20, 2005: "Hi JR:Yes.  In principle I agree with you.  Avoid (almost) all medications unless ABSOLUTELY necessary.  However I have made an exception in the case of aspirin because of its multiple, apparent, benefits, many of which have been attributed to its anti-inflammatory characteristics.  And of course we know that more and more problems are now being traced to inflammation.These benefits (of daily aspirin) include a significant reduction in colon cancer risk and a smaller reduction in prostate cancer risk.(Does aspirin qualify as an NSAID?  If so, one study attributed a 66% reduction in prostate cancer incidence to taking NSAIDs.)So even if we do not need to be concerned with CVD, there may be good reason to take aspirin for other benefits.OTOH since aspirin may contribute to hemorrhagic strokes - the type CR people are more likely to get, that may be a special risk we need to be cautious about".// Rodney What could a daily aspirin dose be to achieve such a reduction in the risk of those two types of cancers?  Hemorrhagic strokes sounds a bit scary, but I suppose that risk is much less or you (Rodney) would not be taking aspirin... is there any way of assessing the risk of that for a particular individual?                //  Ulf

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Rodney (or anyone),

What dose is found in the studies to be prophylactic for colon cancer?

Would you please direct me to these relevant studies? " Low dose "

aspirin = 81 mg. Regular dose = 325mg. Is a daily " low dose " aspirin

sufficient?

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> > Calorie Restriction/Optimum NutritionI was a bit short of

> Francesca´s 103 years on the longevity test. but with some

> improvements.......

> > I wonder about the touted benefits of a daily aspirin and daily

> flossing for reducing risk of CVD, for us on CR who already have a

> lowered risk of CVD. // Ulf

> >

> > I havent checked this out yet but thought some of you might be

> interested.

> > Regards

> > Jeff

> >

> > How Long Will You Live to Be?

> > A major national magazine is teaming with WebMD to produce a cover

> story on lifestyles and longevity. As part of research for the

> feature, we're seeking participants to take a longevity calculator,

> which should take 10 minutes or less. If you want to be considered

> for inclusion in the magazine cover story and are under 50,

> http://www.livingto100.com/calculator/disclaimer If you'd like to be

> considered and are over 50, http://www.eons.com/webmd?

> ecd=wnl_din_012207

> >

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Hi Ulf:

You are asking very specific questions to which, as far as I know,

there are not answers, as specific as you would like to have, to

satisfy them. In another fifty years ..................

However, I thought I had once posted the following table here,

although I did not find it in an archive search. So here it is

again. It only relates to prostate cancer. But you can see that

there are multiple ways of reducing the chance of getting it. (Not

forgetting that not infrequently subsequent studies come to different

conclusions!)

Also worth remembering that although a lot of males get it, like

breast cancer, only a rather small percentage of those who get it end

up dying from it.

Unfortunately things usually do not format very well here ......

PREVENTION IDEAS FOR PROSTATE CANCER:

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Risk

Reduction ----- Suggestion ----- ------- (Source) --------

--------- ------------------------ -------------------------

82% Consume lycopene (PMID 15514967)

80 Avoid milk - 2+ glasses per day - (PMID: 1745489)

73 Drink green tea (PMID: 14618627)

70 Eat scallions (PMID: 12419792)

66 Avoid excessive calcium (PMID: 12869397)

66 Use NSAIDs (Oncology Reports - Jan/Feb 2000)

63 Take selenium (PMID: 15126606)

58 Take statins (Science Daily - 8 Jun 2004)

54 Get enough dietary boron (PMID: 15010890)

50 Avoid milk (Health Professionals Followup Study)

50 Avoid alpha-linolenic acid (PMID: 15213050)

49 Consume some fructose (PMID: 9458087)

49 Eat allium vegetables (PMID: 12419792)

45 Consume linoleic acid (IJC - Aug 2004)

45 Eat cooked tomato products (JNCI - Nov 2003)

44 Avoid excessive zinc (PMID: 12837837)

37 Eat fruit (PMID: 9458087)

36 Emphasize low GI foods (IJC - 10 Nov 2004)

26 Eat fatty fish (AJCN - Jul 2004)

25 Take finasteride (PMID: 15069304)

24 Take aspirin - 6 per day (sic!) - (PMID: 12146847)

18 CR - 20% restriction (JNCI - 2003)

NS Get enough vitamin D (PMID: 10332920)

NS Get enough sunlight (PMID: 1451068)

NS Consume soy isoflavones (PMID: 10460196)

NS* Avoid fish (PMID: 10479227)

* 'NS' = Percentage risk reduction not specified.

Of course no one would suggest taking six aspirin a day.

Rodney.

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> What could a daily aspirin dose be to achieve such a reduction in

the risk of those two types of cancers? Hemorrhagic strokes sounds a

bit scary, but I suppose that risk is much less or you (Rodney) would

not be taking aspirin... is there any way of assessing the risk of

that for a particular individual? // Ulf

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