Guest guest Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007 Hi folks: I am afraid this is gonna be a long post. So long, that I am gonna have to post it in five sections. It started out as a short post. But the initial version raised more questions than it answered. That led to additions which raised more questions. I could add more, but I have spent much too much time on this already. So here it is, for what it is worth. Please excuse the fact that this is not as well organized as I would like, and no doubt contains some repetition. I have just had what seems like a revelation, at least to me, about nutrition. Hopefully I will not find out that everyone else has known all about this for years, although I do recall a brief discussion of the issue here some time ago which I perhaps didn't see the significance of at the time. This is causing me to make the biggest shifts since 1974 in my beliefs about what constitutes the healthiest diet This post has arisen from an offlist conversation with our veritable Dr. Pater - a mine of fascinating information - in which he straightened me out about a couple of important issues. I suggested he post about it, but he said he preferred that I do so. So you can blame him for the content of this post! And especially for any spelling mistakes I make writing it ;; ^ ))) What this post reports is, frankly, a bit difficult to believe. Indeed, perhaps it is too good to be true. But, as usual, the approach will be to report study findings (always with the reservation that, not infrequently, the next study on the exact same topic may show precisely opposite results (!) ), and then draw the conclusions that seem to be appropriate. The definitive answer to this question will not be available for a very long time. Nevertheless I am already starting to make fundamental, and in some cases startling, shifts to my eating habits in response to what the papers referenced below appear to be saying. ---------- I had emailed Al with comments I was planning to post regarding a paper (authors Min and Tatar PMID: 16616772) he had posted earlier. The authors claimed to have found a U-curve relationship between casein consumption and longevity in fruit flies, which could be interpreted to suggest we ought to restrict protein, or at least casein. I had planned to post that I wasn't impressed by the paper largely because most of the flies were given a diet that contained zero fat. That hardly seemed to be the appropriate way to conduct an experiment to ascertain information about the lifespans of flies in response to variations in intake of protein in general and casein in particular. Might not the total absence of fat, I thought, be a major factor responsible for the results? Most likely by artifically shortening their lives? However, Al then suggested that if I didn't like that particular paper I might want to take a look at a couple of others in similar vein. (And, he tactfully suggested, they might, possibly, cause me to modify my proposed post. They did!) This has led to other related papers and now I am sitting here sort of numb with shock. It looks like there may be some very important conclusions to be drawn about protein intake from all this. But first a note about how the authors of the key papers conducted their studies: [Fruit flies have their advantages for scientists studying aging. It takes only a couple of months to perform a lifespan experiment in fruit flies. But, even though we have a fair amount of genetic overlap with them, our common ancestor with fruit flies lived so long ago - perhaps 500 million years - it is understandable some people might be cautious about assuming that findings in fruit flies would also be applicable to humans. Rats are more closely related to us, but with them it takes about four years to do a lifespan experiment. Plus perhaps a couple of additional years, taken up planning the experiments and getting funding before they start and, after the experiments are completed, writing up the paper and going through the peer-review process. But there may be a good way to shorten the timeframes, and complete an experiment in rats in just weeks: If *biomarkers* of future longevity can be measured early, instead of having to wait for all the rats to die, then perhaps reliable conclusions can be drawn sooner, in a manner analogous, for example, to that by which CVD risk is assessed early via lipids data. In the case of biomarkers for lifespan it has been found that mitochondrial production of reactive oxygen species (ROS) and damage to mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) is related to lifespan - the more of them, or it, the shorter the lifespan. And also that CR both extends lifespan and reduces mitochondrial DNA damage and ROS production So perhaps it is reasonable to use these indicators as proxies for lifespan long before all the subjects in the experiment are dead from old age. This way it is possible to get a good idea after a comparatively short period of time, seven weeks in this case, what the experimental animals' lifespans will be, and therefore what the long term effects will be of an experimental treatment. So the authors of these papers experimented to determine the effects of restricting the macronutrient content of the diets of rats, by measuring ROS production and mtDNA damage and then, after just seven weeks, drew conclusions about the likely lifespan effects. Waiting seven weeks is, of course, much better than four years. But they didn't actually measure lifespans.] So, with the foregoing qualifications out of the way, here are the papers of interest, along with the conclusions it seems should be drawn from them. Of course if I have gotten this all wrong I know someone will be kind enough to post a rebuttal, pointing out where, what and how : ^ ))) And, of course, I welcome such a rebuttal if it is required. I will caution that there is a fair amount of stuff in these papers that is well beyond my biochemistry pay grade. ================================ To start with, we know that rats fed 40% fewer calories live 40% longer. But the mechanism by which this happens is far from understood. About eighteen months ago the team at University College, London, UK published a paper titled " Calories Do Not Explain Extension of Life Span by Dietary Restriction in Drosophila " . By this they meant that when flies, normally feeding on sugar and yeast, were sizeably restricted only in sugar they lived only a little longer. This implied, of course, that it was the restriction of the yeast that was more important for lifespan extension. The yeast in their diet supplies the fat and protein. The following is a reference to that paper: " Calories Do Not Explain Extension of Life Span by Dietary Restriction in Drosophila. " July 2005. PMID: 16000018. Public Library of Science. Volume 3, Issue 7. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- In addition a paper was posted here about a survey of chinese centenarians which found, among many other things, that on average they were consuming only 40g of protein per day. This prompted speculation as to whether this might possibly be a causal factor in their remarkable longevity. Could restriction of protein be what is important? This study was nowhere remotely close to being able to attribute their longevity to the low protein intake. But it did seem at least to reassure that such low protein intake is not dangerous, otherwise they would not still have been alive. In addition, if restricting protein to 40g was a factor enabling these people to live to 100 years of age, one might wonder whether 30g might have been even better. The paper was: PMID: 11677774. Author: Chen C. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- The next paper of interest here is that authored by: Sanz A Caro P Ibanez J Gomez J Gredilla R Barja G: " Dietary restriction at old age lowers mitochondrial oxygen radical production and leak at complex I and oxidative DNA damage in rat brain. " April 2005. PMID: 15906153. J Bioenerg Biomembr. 2005 Apr;37(2):83- 90. This paper showed an association between dietary restriction on the one hand and ROS and mtDNA damage on the other. ........... From the abstract: " Previous studies in mammalian models indicate that the rate of mitochondrial reactive oxygen species ROS production and the ensuing modification of mtDNA link oxidative stress to aging rate. However, there is scarce information concerning this in relation to caloric restriction (CR) in the brain, an organ of maximum relevance for ageing. Furthermore, it has never been studied if CR started late in life can improve those oxidative stress-related parameters. In this investigation, rats were subjected during 1 year to 40% CR starting at 24 months of age. This protocol of CR significantly decreased the rate of mitochondrial H(2)O(2) production (by 24%) and oxidative damage to mtDNA (by 23%) in the brain below the level of both old and young ad libitum-fed animals. In agreement with the progressive character of aging, the rate of H(2)O(2) production of brain mitochondria stayed constant with age. Oxidative damage to nuclear DNA increased with age and this increase was fully reversed by CR to the level of the young controls. ...... The results agree with the idea that CR decreases aging rate in part by lowering the rate of free radical generation of mitochondria in the brain. " ---------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- Also, in PMID: 17136610, Sanz Gomez Caro and Barja showed that ***carbohydrate*** restriction did not show these benefits. These findings were very similar to those of the University College, London, UK paper covering experiments in fruit flies, noted above. From the abstract: " Many previous investigations have consistently reported that caloric restriction (40%), which increases maximum longevity, decreases mitochondrial reactive species (ROS) generation and oxidative damage to mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) in laboratory rodents. These decreases take place in rat liver after only seven weeks of caloric restriction. ........... In the present study, using semipurified diets, the carbohydrate ingestion of male Wistar rats was decreased by 40% below controls without changing the level of intake of the other dietary components. After seven weeks of treatment the liver mitochondria of the carbohydrate restricted animals did not show changes in the rate of mitochondrial ROS production, mitochondrial oxygen consumption or percent free radical leak ............. . In agreement with this, the levels of oxidative damage in hepatic mtDNA and nuclear DNA were not modified in carbohydrate restricted animals. ....... " ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- In addition, in PMID: 16803986 Sanz, Caro, and Barja found that ***fat*** restriction did not produce these benefits either. From the abstract: " ............. In the present study we have investigated the possible role of dietary lipids in the effects of caloric restriction on mitochondrial oxidative stress. Using semipurified diets, the ingestion of lipids in male Wistar rats was decreased by 40% below controls, while the other dietary components were ingested at exactly the same level as in animals fed ad libitum. After 7 weeks of treatment the liver mitochondria of lipid-restricted animals showed significant increases in oxygen ................. Neither mitochondrial H(2)O(2) production nor oxidative damage to mitochondrial or nuclear DNA was modified in lipid-restricted animals. ........... These results deny a role for lipids and reinforce the possible role of dietary proteins as being responsible for the decrease in mitochondrial ROS production and DNA damage in caloric restriction. " ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ In PMID: 15692733 Sanz, Caro and Barja showed that, a 40% restriction of ***protein*** did dramatically improve these longevity biomarkers and therefore, it is presumed, increase lifespan. From this abstract: " Previous studies have shown that caloric restriction decreases mitochondrial oxygen radical production and oxidative DNA damage in rat organs, which can be linked to the slowing of aging rate induced by this regime. In this study the possible role of the dietary protein was investigated. Using semipurified diets, the ingestion of proteins of Wistar rats was decreased by 40% below that of controls while the other dietary components were ingested at the same level as in animals fed ad libitum. After seven weeks in this regime the liver of the protein restricted animals showed 30-40% decreases in mitochondrial production of reactive oxygen species (ROS) and in oxidative damage to nuclear and mitochondrial DNA. ........... These results are strikingly similar to those previously obtained after 40% caloric restriction in the liver of Wistar rats. Thus, the results suggest that part of the decrease in aging rate induced by caloric restriction can be due to the decreased intake of proteins acting through decreases in mitochondrial ROS production and oxidative DNA damage. ................ " So, according to this, 40% protein restriction results in an equivalent reduction in these key biomarkers of longevity. This seems to indicate that protein restriction alone may account for much, if not most, of the benefits of CR. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- But they went still further. In PMID: 16770005, the same authors, along with others, found that restriction of just one amino acid ***methionine*** (Met) had effects very similar to those observed with 40% protein restriction. From the abstract: " Previous studies have consistently shown that caloric restriction (CR) decreases mitochondrial reactive oxygen species (ROS) (mitROS) generation and oxidative damage to mtDNA and mitochondrial proteins, and increases maximum longevity, although the mechanisms responsible for this are unknown. We recently found that protein restriction (PR) also produces these changes independent of energy restriction. Various facts link methionine to aging, and methionine restriction (MetR) without energy restriction increases, like CR, maximum longevity. We have thus hypothesized that MetR is responsible for the decrease in mitROS generation and oxidative stress in PR and CR. In this investigation we subjected male rats to exactly the same dietary protocol of MetR that is known to increase their longevity. We have found, for the first time, that MetR profoundly decreases mitROS production, decreases oxidative damage to mtDNA, lowers membrane unsaturation, and decreases all five markers of protein oxidation measured in rat heart and liver mitochondria. ................... These changes are strikingly similar to those observed in CR and PR, suggesting that the decrease in Met ingestion is responsible for the decrease in mitochondrial ROS production and oxidative stress, and possibly part of the decrease in aging rate, occurring during caloric restriction. " And from the discussion section of the paper: " This strongly suggests that the decrease in methionine intake is the cause of these effects consistently found in many investigations on caloric restriction in rodents. " However, in this particular study Met was restricted by 94%. So if 94% restriction only results in reductions in these biomarkers similar to those associated with 40% CR (with such a large degree of restriction one might have expected more) then perhaps there are other amino acids that also need to be restricted for maximum benefit (cysteine, tryptophan and homocysteine may be prime suspects in this respect). In addition, is there reason to suppose that 94% Met restriction is optimal? Perhaps that is too severe? Met is, after all, an essential nutrient. In any event, this study made no attempt to determine the optimal degree of Met restriction. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- One additional paper, PMID: 8429371 dating from 1993, also found extension of lifespan with Met restriction in rats. In this case 80% restriction was found to extend lifespan by 30%. This may be the information which encouraged Sanz, Caro, Barja et al to study Met to see if it may be the amino acid explaining the apparent benefits of protein restriction. The paper was PMID: 8429371: ' Low methionine ingestion by rats extends life span.' Orentreich N, Matias JR, DeFelice A, Zimmerman JA. " Dietary energy restriction has been a widely used means of experimentally extending mammalian life span. We report here that lifelong reduction in the concentration of a single dietary component, the essential amino acid L-methionine, from 0·86 to 0·17% of the diet results in a 30% longer life span of male Fischer 344 rats. .............. " It certainly does not look like substantial Met restriction is harmful in rats. More to come ......................... Rodney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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