Re: BFL Meals- 40-40-20

[Guest guest]

Jill! I have always wondered this myself. Does BP (known to me

as " " :)EVER say that BFL is supposed to be 40-40-20? If you

use the equivalent measurements for a grain (carb) and a meat

(protein), then look at your nutritional info, your carbs will be

much higher than your protein, right???? In other words, eating the

same SIZE portion of carb/protein is NOT the same as eating balance

carb/protein.

Lynda

[Guest guest]

Nope. " " (known to me as God) NEVER mentions the 40-40-20

thing.

He is adamant on portions.

Jill

> Jill! I have always wondered this myself. Does BP (known to me

> as " " :)EVER say that BFL is supposed to be 40-40-20? If you

> use the equivalent measurements for a grain (carb) and a meat

> (protein), then look at your nutritional info, your carbs will be

> much higher than your protein, right???? In other words, eating

the

> same SIZE portion of carb/protein is NOT the same as eating balance

> carb/protein.

>

>

> Lynda

[Guest guest]

LMAO!

Kathleen

> Nope. " " (known to me as God) NEVER mentions the 40-40-20

> thing.

>

>

> He is adamant on portions.

>

> Jill

[Guest guest]

Thanks Alys, Jill and Lynda for all the info...it really helps..

Alys, I have ordered the book today - gotta wait for it coz Boarders

did not have any stock. That's why I posted that question. According

to the kind man, the book will only arrive next week. But, I was

thinking I should try and start next Monday...

Thanks again

Geri

[Guest guest]

There is NOTHING funny about this. My BFL buddy left me in Borders

the other day after I dropped to my knees and bowed repeatedly at the

foot of a BFL book display.

> > Nope. " " (known to me as God) NEVER mentions the 40-40-20

> > thing.

> >

> >

> > He is adamant on portions.

> >

> > Jill

[Guest guest]

Lynda;

I never saw any reference to the 40/40/20 ratio in the BFL book he

only talks about palm/fist and portions thats it. I think the ratio

came from Hussman's site or the evolution of the program and the BFL

boards. And you are right if you did a cal stat break down of the

portions [carb/protein/and fat] you will have a higher carb content

and a higher or lower fat content based on the type of protein that

is used. The higher carb content is in part of the veggies added into

the mix of things when the stats are being figured and most of the

carb choices [other than veggies] have a higher carb level per volume

than say a smaller portion [palm vs fist here]of protein.

I think the 40/40/20 split came about because of the word " Balanced "

in the book which to most people think of it as an equal portion of

protein and carb...but if you look at the portions on the plate a

palm portion is definately less than a fist portion.

So if a person is following pure BFL as per book there is no

measuring what so ever...no counting cals, no water displacment to

see how much volume a fist is etc...you just eye ball portion sizes

by the look/size of ones palm or fist. No measuring cups or spoons

necessary or required.

Joann

[Guest guest]

What about when you are talking about a liquid substance or something

that spreads, it is rather difficult to figure out what a palm size

portion is of non solids. What would you recomend then? I was lost

on that when I first started BFL and called EAS because I wasn't

sure, they told me to figure out what measuring cup my hand was and

use that (for most people it is pretty close to a cup). I think that

is really the only way you can do it.

> Lynda;

>

> I never saw any reference to the 40/40/20 ratio in the BFL book he

> only talks about palm/fist and portions thats it. I think the ratio

> came from Hussman's site or the evolution of the program and the

BFL

> boards. And you are right if you did a cal stat break down of the

> portions [carb/protein/and fat] you will have a higher carb content

> and a higher or lower fat content based on the type of protein that

> is used. The higher carb content is in part of the veggies added

into

> the mix of things when the stats are being figured and most of the

> carb choices [other than veggies] have a higher carb level per

volume

> than say a smaller portion [palm vs fist here]of protein.

>

> I think the 40/40/20 split came about because of the word

" Balanced "

> in the book which to most people think of it as an equal portion of

> protein and carb...but if you look at the portions on the plate a

> palm portion is definately less than a fist portion.

>

> So if a person is following pure BFL as per book there is no

> measuring what so ever...no counting cals, no water displacment to

> see how much volume a fist is etc...you just eye ball portion sizes

> by the look/size of ones palm or fist. No measuring cups or spoons

> necessary or required.

>

> Joann

[Guest guest]

PMP!!!

Rita

Re: BFL Meals- 40-40-20

There is NOTHING funny about this. My BFL buddy left me in Borders

the other day after I dropped to my knees and bowed repeatedly at the

foot of a BFL book display.

> > Nope. " " (known to me as God) NEVER mentions the 40-40-20

> > thing.

> >

> >

> > He is adamant on portions.

> >

> > Jill

[Guest guest]

If you look at your palm [hand open palm facing up] you can see the

exact size of it [dimensional and all] for instance mine is about

[not using any measuring devices LOL] 3 " wide and about 3 1/3 " long

[does not include fingers] and the thickness of it is about 3/4 " .

So if I would to scoop out say cottage cheese it should fit into that

amount of space.

As for say a liquid well if you are going only on the basis of the

book liquid is never mentioned other than the shakes and he just

implies that 1 pkt is 1 serving [already pre-measured for the person].

And he mentions that water is essential and he tells the minimal

amount of that to drink in a day.

The BFL plan is very vague in the food department as far as going

into detail, it never comments on the use of condiments [other than

in Bills quick food combining meal descriptions] but they aren't in

the food list or whether or not which ones are good to use or ones to

avoid. He says over and over again that he does not cook so he sticks

to the basics of the food lists for the most part, or drinks the

shakes.

So I would say if you are following the program " by the book " then do

just that, for get all forms of the conventual measuring systems and

stick to the food list only and the shakes.

If you want to stray a bit from the book and add in more variety of

foods, like milk, juice, condiments etc... then the person needs to

educate themselves in the food labels and how much they should be

eating in a day and then they would be able to make good sound

choices for their nutritional needs to still be able to stick to

there goals.

It's a personal choice; keeping it simple as the book was intended to

be or making it more complex by counting/measuring.

Joann

[Guest guest]

haftaski77 wrote:

> Nope. " " (known to me as God) NEVER mentions the 40-40-20

> thing.

>

> He is adamant on portions.

>

> Jill

LOL All Hail Bill

Serenity

[Guest guest]

mrsbishwit wrote:

>

> I think the 40/40/20 split came about because of the word " Balanced "

> in the book which to most people think of it as an equal portion of

> protein and carb...but if you look at the portions on the plate a

> palm portion is definately less than a fist portion.

I completely disagree My palm and my fist are exactly the same.. just

configured differently. This is like saying a roll of quarters is smaller

than a jumbled pile of the same number of quarters. :/

Serenity

[Guest guest]

for the palm portion you just look at the palm sans fingers. When

you make a fist the fingers are included. So wouldn't the fist have

more surface area?

>

> >

> > I think the 40/40/20 split came about because of the

word " Balanced "

> > in the book which to most people think of it as an equal portion

of

> > protein and carb...but if you look at the portions on the plate a

> > palm portion is definately less than a fist portion.

>

> I completely disagree My palm and my fist are exactly the

same.. just

> configured differently. This is like saying a roll of quarters is

smaller

> than a jumbled pile of the same number of quarters. :/

> Serenity

[Guest guest]

mellied2002 wrote:

> What about when you are talking about a liquid substance or something

> that spreads, it is rather difficult to figure out what a palm size

> portion is of non solids. What would you recomend then? I was lost

> on that when I first started BFL and called EAS because I wasn't

> sure, they told me to figure out what measuring cup my hand was and

> use that (for most people it is pretty close to a cup). I think that

> is really the only way you can do it.

>

I agree The book says that your hand is a portion. So, since by

eyeballing you might not get your hand size correct (and I know so many

people who guess at 1/4 cup!), why not measure your hand so you know how

large your hand really is? It works for me!

Serenity

[Guest guest]

I know everyone's opinion on palm size is going to be different, but I do not

count my fingers. I am thinking that the palm is the inside part of your hand,

omitting the fingers.

I know this is gonna get some reactions, but I use measuring tools, I know, I

know, " Bill " , aka , aka God says you don't need to measure, but I have to,

EXCEPT for potatoes then, I use my fist.

Noelle

Re: Re: BFL Meals- 40-40-20

carolynd6 wrote:

> for the palm portion you just look at the palm sans fingers. When

> you make a fist the fingers are included. So wouldn't the fist have

> more surface area?

Um.. my Palm includes my fingers. Why would I leave them out?

Serenity

[Guest guest]

carolynd6 wrote:

> for the palm portion you just look at the palm sans fingers. When

> you make a fist the fingers are included. So wouldn't the fist have

> more surface area?

Um.. my Palm includes my fingers. Why would I leave them out?

Serenity

[Guest guest]

Okay, seriously, I think the fist/palm measurements may be MORE

confusing than calorie counting!!! LOL

I would never think my fingers part of my palm. See how everyone can

read that differently?

Wow,

Astra

>

> > for the palm portion you just look at the palm sans fingers.

When

> > you make a fist the fingers are included. So wouldn't the fist

have

> > more surface area?

>

> Um.. my Palm includes my fingers. Why would I leave them out?

> Serenity

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with you Astra. I think I'll keep calorie counting and measuring just

to say in my comfort zone. LOL:)

Noelle

Re: BFL Meals- 40-40-20

Okay, seriously, I think the fist/palm measurements may be MORE

confusing than calorie counting!!! LOL

I would never think my fingers part of my palm. See how everyone can

read that differently?

Wow,

Astra

>

> > for the palm portion you just look at the palm sans fingers.

When

> > you make a fist the fingers are included. So wouldn't the fist

have

> > more surface area?

>

> Um.. my Palm includes my fingers. Why would I leave them out?

> Serenity

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I usually refer to this:

http://www.ahs.uwaterloo.ca/~kh346/html/handy.htm

Otherwise, I did this:

I went into fitday and calculated approximate measurements for portion

sizes. I tried to figure that I'd get about 100 cals per portion of

something. So a " meal " is 100cal of protein, 100cal of carb, plus any

veggies, sauces/condiments, spices, etc, which can round it up to my

alloted 233-250 calories per meal. Some meals are more, some are less,

but it mostly evens out.

Most of my meats came to about a half cup, or 2.5-3oz (more for

tuna, less for steak). Other proteins came to 2/3c (cottage cheese, egg

replacer, soy crumbles). Various carbs ranged from half to 2/3 cup.

Berries were the exception, at a whopping cup!

So I have the list of my authorized foods, just like in the book, only

mine has measuring info next to it. So to make a meal, I can grab a

1/3cup measuring thing and toss ingredients into a tupperware. Or for a

recipe, I know that the " sum " is about a cup and a half, which I can

scoop.

Any fats can be added as necessary. A pinch of nuts here, a tablespoon of

peanut butter there, a teaspoon of flax oil, etc.

One-time calculation saves a buncha time later on.

-- gnat!

[Guest guest]

Because your palm is your palm and a palm + fingers = a whole hand.

Thats the way I interprete it anyways. Plus, wouldn't a whole hand

of chicken be a hell of a lot of chicken?

>

> > for the palm portion you just look at the palm sans fingers. When

> > you make a fist the fingers are included. So wouldn't the fist

have

> > more surface area?

>

> Um.. my Palm includes my fingers. Why would I leave them out?

> Serenity

[Guest guest]

> It works for me

> Serenity

Guess that is the point of all this. Trying to find what works for

you. : )

[Guest guest]

carolynd6 wrote:

> Because your palm is your palm and a palm + fingers = a whole hand.

> Thats the way I interprete it anyways. Plus, wouldn't a whole hand

> of chicken be a hell of a lot of chicken?

It works for me

Serenity

[Guest guest]

I also use palm - no fingers included!

Park

Re: Re: BFL Meals- 40-40-20

carolynd6 wrote:

> for the palm portion you just look at the palm sans fingers. When

> you make a fist the fingers are included. So wouldn't the fist have

> more surface area?

Um.. my Palm includes my fingers. Why would I leave them out?

Serenity

[Guest guest]

I am getting a whiff of the calorie thing all over again........ (or

mayeb the glycemic/schmycemic thing)

Folks - this is about making choices and controlling what you eat and

how much. AGain - getting caught up in the details. Nickel and

diming a million dollar solution.

I have alwys taken the palm/fist to mean the following:

If a food can lay flat (like a piece of chicken or fish) then you use

the approximate size of your palm. (and, honestly, if you have a

little more salmon, it is NOT going to be the end of the world.

If a pliable or piles up - such as rice, cottage cheese, pasta, use

an amount the approximate size of your fist.

I really dont; stress this stuff too much.

Again - if I am unsure - I strive to get the same amoutn of protein

anywhere between a myo lite and a regualr myo (25 - 40 g) depening on

how I am feeling. If you are having trouble with this, You can use

something like fitday.com to give you an idea of how many ounces of

chicken breat give you this much protein. BUT - you will NEVER cath

me slicing off 1 1 " strip of the chicken breast to make it exacly

35.8 g of protein. I will eat the whole chicken breast.

Again - BFL is about making good choices and progress, not absolute

scientific perfection.

Jill

> >

> > >

> > > I think the 40/40/20 split came about because of the

> word " Balanced "

> > > in the book which to most people think of it as an equal

portion

> of

> > > protein and carb...but if you look at the portions on the plate

a

> > > palm portion is definately less than a fist portion.

> >

> > I completely disagree My palm and my fist are exactly the

> same.. just

> > configured differently. This is like saying a roll of quarters

is

> smaller

> > than a jumbled pile of the same number of quarters. :/

> > Serenity

[Guest guest]

You ARE still talkign about measuring food portions, I hope! }:-)~

> I also use palm - no fingers included!

> Park

[Guest guest]

I agree Serenity. If I left off my fingers I would starve. lol

Rita

Re: Re: BFL Meals- 40-40-20

carolynd6 wrote:

> for the palm portion you just look at the palm sans fingers. When

> you make a fist the fingers are included. So wouldn't the fist have

> more surface area?

Um.. my Palm includes my fingers. Why would I leave them out?

Serenity