Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Hi Esther, Actually several of the supplements you mention interact with Gleevec. As a general rule, you want to avoid using anything that is known to stimulate the immune system (such as echinacea or melatonin or ginsing etc) because in doing so, you could also stimulate the leukemia. In our files section, you will see a series of posts that talk about different supplements and how they interact with Gleevec. The list was given by a pharmacist (Dr. Bubalo of OHSU) who is familiar with this subject. You'll note that even licorice can interact with Gleevec. The files are called " Dr. Bubalo Lectures " . I posted a while ago how Vit C can interact with Gleevec and I know that Vit A is a fat soluble vitamin which means that it can build up in your system to toxic levels if you take too much. I read one study that said that taking over 6,000 IU a day, could be dangerous so if you're taking 5,000 IU just in a supplement (not to mention however much you get through food), you may want to rethink the supplement. Few people are as afraid of germs as I am (I can just see the people who know me, laughing now), but other than washing your hands often, there isn't much else you should do to stay away from, what are sometimes unavoidable, situations. I suppose if you're seriously afraid, you could wear a mask on the plane but other than that, I don't think there's anything you can take to help protect you. Of course a common sense diet of healthy food is always a good idea......and don't forget a bottle of hand sanitizer for when you can't avoid but touching things Enjoy your trip, that's the most important part! Tracey > > Hi everyone i'm going out of the country for a couple of weeks for a > vacation I will be on a plane for 11 hours .i'm a alittle concerned > about the germs. My natuopath gave me some supplements that have 5000 > iu vitamin a, 500mg vitamin c,25mg vitamin b6,and 15mg of > zinc,licorice,bromelain, ginger, oregan grape root.It also has > echinacea, did i see on someones post a while back that echinacea > has interactions with the Gleevec or is this ok to take .If there any > other suggestions for my trip[i'm getting a little nervous going out > of the country in case i get sick] please let me know. > > thanks,Esther > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 wow every thing in the bottle interacted, what would i do with out you guys thank you thank you thank thank you ,should i be worried about the other supplements I'm taking? shouldn't he know what interacts with what? He also put me on vegetal Silica for my hair that's falling out and the ingredient to that is 450mg of Horstail,also a cancer supplement which has indole-3carbinol complex, green tea quercetin, quercetin chalcone, L-carnitine and calcium ascorbate he also put me on vitamin b6 folate[as5 methyl-tetrahydrofolate] and vitamin b12 that he said was for my red blood count that was a little high. Should i stop going to this highly recommended naturopath. It has cost me a fortune. thanks for all your info > > > > Hi everyone i'm going out of the country for a couple of weeks for a > > vacation I will be on a plane for 11 hours .i'm a alittle concerned > > about the germs. My natuopath gave me some supplements that have 5000 > > iu vitamin a, 500mg vitamin c,25mg vitamin b6,and 15mg of > > zinc,licorice,bromelain, ginger, oregan grape root.It also has > > echinacea, did i see on someones post a while back that echinacea > > has interactions with the Gleevec or is this ok to take .If there any > > other suggestions for my trip[i'm getting a little nervous going out > > of the country in case i get sick] please let me know. > > > > thanks,Esther > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Hi Tracey i have one more question how do you go to the files section to see about the drug interactions. thanks Esther > > > > Hi everyone i'm going out of the country for a couple of weeks for a > > vacation I will be on a plane for 11 hours .i'm a alittle concerned > > about the germs. My natuopath gave me some supplements that have 5000 > > iu vitamin a, 500mg vitamin c,25mg vitamin b6,and 15mg of > > zinc,licorice,bromelain, ginger, oregan grape root.It also has > > echinacea, did i see on someones post a while back that echinacea > > has interactions with the Gleevec or is this ok to take .If there any > > other suggestions for my trip[i'm getting a little nervous going out > > of the country in case i get sick] please let me know. > > > > thanks,Esther > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 I second what Tracey wrote. A lot of things interact more or less with imatinib (and the other drugs), some are known and on the published list, some other probably aren't. I believe the best course is to keep a varied diet, not too much of anything and a bit of all the basic foods. The only foods/drinks I found not to work so good for me (for side effects) are acidic fruits (in large quantity), excess of meat, dairy or eggs, and more than a small glass of wine or beer. Drinking enough water is a good thing. Exercising at least a bit everyday also helps. This is a bit of an anecdote, not evidence, but I was on a non fat diet for about a year as my gall bladder was a bit irritated with gleevec, and my PCR results stayed about the same for the duration. When I got back to a normal healthy diet, well, most of the time , the PCR started dropping again. Marcos. On 8/29/07, snipandtip <no_reply > wrote: > > wow every thing in the bottle interacted, what would i do with out > you guys thank you thank you thank thank you ,should i be worried about > the other supplements I'm taking? shouldn't he know what interacts > with what? He also put me on vegetal Silica for my hair that's falling > out and the ingredient to that is 450mg of Horstail,also a cancer > supplement which has indole-3carbinol complex, green tea quercetin, > quercetin chalcone, L-carnitine and calcium ascorbate he also put me on > vitamin b6 folate[as5 methyl-tetrahydrofolate] and vitamin b12 that he > said was for my red blood count that was a little high. Should i stop > going to this highly recommended naturopath. It has cost me a fortune. > thanks for all your info > > > > > > > > Hi everyone i'm going out of the country for a couple of weeks for a > > > vacation I will be on a plane for 11 hours .i'm a alittle concerned > > > about the germs. My natuopath gave me some supplements that have > 5000 > > > iu vitamin a, 500mg vitamin c,25mg vitamin b6,and 15mg of > > > zinc,licorice,bromelain, ginger, oregan grape root.It also has > > > echinacea, did i see on someones post a while back that echinacea > > > has interactions with the Gleevec or is this ok to take .If there > any > > > other suggestions for my trip[i'm getting a little nervous going out > > > of the country in case i get sick] please let me know. > > > > > > thanks,Esther > > > > > > > > -- Marcos Perreau Guimaraes Suppes Brain Lab Ventura Hall - CSLI Stanford University 220 Panama street Stanford CA 94305-4101 650 614 2305 650 630 5015 (cell) marcospg@... montereyunderwater@... www.stanford.edu/~marcospg/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Hi Esther, To go to the files section, you just need to click on " files " at the left of our home page. I'll put the link here too so you should be able to get there by clicking it, but if not, just go to the main page and click on it from the menu on the left. Dr. Bubalo's lecture notes are the first link listed in the files section. /files/ Tracey > > > > > > Hi everyone i'm going out of the country for a couple of weeks for a > > > vacation I will be on a plane for 11 hours .i'm a alittle concerned > > > about the germs. My natuopath gave me some supplements that have > 5000 > > > iu vitamin a, 500mg vitamin c,25mg vitamin b6,and 15mg of > > > zinc,licorice,bromelain, ginger, oregan grape root.It also has > > > echinacea, did i see on someones post a while back that echinacea > > > has interactions with the Gleevec or is this ok to take .If there > any > > > other suggestions for my trip[i'm getting a little nervous going out > > > of the country in case i get sick] please let me know. > > > > > > thanks,Esther > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Hi Esther, The problem is that most doctors don't have enough experience with Gleevec to know what interacts with it and I wouldn't expect the average Naturopath to have much experience with it either. My own doctor has prescribed me things that had a severe interaction but thankfully I caught it before I took it. I look up everything before I take it. My mother isn't on Gleevec but she once got a prescription for two drugs that actually could have caused a fatal interaction so it's always good to check how each drug is metabolized before you take anything. I'm a little confused about why they would give you B12 if your red cell count is high? I take B12 because my B12 level is low. Your red count doesn't necessarily reflect what your B12 level is. The only way to know if you need B12 is if you have a B12 test. Lots of us take calcium because it can help with the Gleevec cramps. As long as you don't take it within 2 hours of taking your Gleevec, there shouldn't be a problem with calcium. I personally take Calcium Citrate because it's absorbed easier than the other forms but whichever form you take, don't take more than 500mg at a time because that's as much as your intestines can absorb at once. Take care, Tracey > > > > > > Hi everyone i'm going out of the country for a couple of weeks for a > > > vacation I will be on a plane for 11 hours .i'm a alittle concerned > > > about the germs. My natuopath gave me some supplements that have > 5000 > > > iu vitamin a, 500mg vitamin c,25mg vitamin b6,and 15mg of > > > zinc,licorice,bromelain, ginger, oregan grape root.It also has > > > echinacea, did i see on someones post a while back that echinacea > > > has interactions with the Gleevec or is this ok to take .If there > any > > > other suggestions for my trip[i'm getting a little nervous going out > > > of the country in case i get sick] please let me know. > > > > > > thanks,Esther > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 He also put me on vegetal Silica for my hair that's falling > out and the ingredient to that is 450mg of Horstail,also a cancer > supplement which has indole-3carbinol complex, green tea quercetin, > quercetin chalcone, L-carnitine and calcium ascorbate he also put me on > vitamin b6 folate[as5 methyl-tetrahydrofolate] and vitamin b12 that he > said was for my red blood count that was a little high. Should i stop > going to this highly recommended naturopath. It has cost me a fortune. > thanks for all your info _________________ Hi Esther, I have worked with 2 naturopaths (one at at time) almost since the time I was diagnosed in 1998. A good naturopath does NOT have to give you a ton of supplements....which is mainly another way for them to make $$ or keep you going to them. My first naturopath did Rx quite a few supplements over time to deal with some of my side effects from my drugs.....some were helpful, others are still sitting on the shelf (actually I just threw out some out-dated bottles of stuff I did not use up). My 2nd naturopath, who actually did her residency in oncology, does NOT Rx a lot of supplements. You can accomplish a lot with just some dietary changes and a few supplements to address specific problems. You have to remember, that our cml drug is suppressing our bone marrow, so it is NORMAL to have a lower red count (for many people), etc. This is not necessarily a problem that needs to be corrected. So that my present naturopath has NO conflict of interest in what supplements she prescribes for me, that office makes no $$ on the sale of supplements. The slight mark-up that they have is given to a local charity at the end of the year (and that information is posted in the office). So, if you have a naturopath who is pushing supplements, I would consult with another one and see what their approach would be (you can often get a free mini-consult). My present naturopath regimen: 1. I take a medical product that has all my vitamins, minerals and also has liver support....it is my breakfast.....and usually I add some ground flax seed 2. I take vit D3......which is now recognized as the 'anti-cancer' vitamin 3. I am taking a Hawthorne extract because of some concerns about heart issues with Gleevec 4. I take a probiotic for healthy gut bacteria 5. I aim to eat a more alkaline diet to offset the acidity of the cml drugs (I am on Sprycel) So, I am not using a lot of supplements. If you need calcium and/or iron....use some blackstrap molasses. My present naturopath will often tell me what foods to try to add to my diet (like beans and greens for iron, etc). Have a fun trip........and maybe you want to reassess your naturopath when you return. C. PS....here is a funny comment along the same lines when I changed to a new local oncologist, I wanted one who was not anti-alternative medicine as my naturopath was part of my health team.......when I asked me his position about alternative medicine, he said it was fine with him if it didn't cost me too much!! Also, I have doctored with Dr. Druker for 7 years and he has no problem with the alternative supplements that I take (which are limited and for specific reasons). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Hi . thanks for your input on natuopaths,he also did his residency in oncology thats why i was surprized he would give me something that interacted with the Gleevec. but as said he is not familiar with the Gleevec . My red blood count was high not low, that'ts what he was trying to fix with the b vitamins, My first 2 hour visit cost me $500 and another $200 in supplements and his visits now are$125and another $ 100 in supplement every 3moths.My next visit is in Dec. . I will reasess the situation when i get back .I have a new problem now , my glucose levels are creeping up,does that have any thing to do with the Gleevec? or am i eating to many carbs i think normal is up to 99 and mine was 102. What do you eat on an alkaline diet? thanks again for all your info Esther > > He also put me on vegetal Silica for my hair that's falling > > out and the ingredient to that is 450mg of Horstail,also a cancer > > supplement which has indole-3carbinol complex, green tea quercetin, > > quercetin chalcone, L-carnitine and calcium ascorbate he also put me on > > vitamin b6 folate[as5 methyl-tetrahydrofolate] and vitamin b12 that he > > said was for my red blood count that was a little high. Should i stop > > going to this highly recommended naturopath. It has cost me a fortune. > > thanks for all your info > _________________ > > Hi Esther, > > I have worked with 2 naturopaths (one at at time) almost since the time I > was diagnosed in 1998. A good naturopath does NOT have to give you a ton of > supplements....which is mainly another way for them to make $$ or keep you > going to them. My first naturopath did Rx quite a few supplements over time > to deal with some of my side effects from my drugs.....some were helpful, > others are still sitting on the shelf (actually I just threw out some > out-dated bottles of stuff I did not use up). My 2nd naturopath, who > actually did her residency in oncology, does NOT Rx a lot of supplements. > You can accomplish a lot with just some dietary changes and a few > supplements to address specific problems. You have to remember, that our > cml drug is suppressing our bone marrow, so it is NORMAL to have a lower > red count (for many people), etc. This is not necessarily a problem that > needs to be corrected. So that my present naturopath has NO conflict of > interest in what supplements she prescribes for me, that office makes no $$ > on the sale of supplements. The slight mark-up that they have is given to a > local charity at the end of the year (and that information is posted in the > office). > > So, if you have a naturopath who is pushing supplements, I would consult > with another one and see what their approach would be (you can often get a > free mini-consult). > My present naturopath regimen: > 1. I take a medical product that has all my vitamins, minerals and also has > liver support....it is my breakfast.....and usually I add some ground flax seed > 2. I take vit D3......which is now recognized as the 'anti-cancer' vitamin > 3. I am taking a Hawthorne extract because of some concerns about heart > issues with Gleevec > 4. I take a probiotic for healthy gut bacteria > 5. I aim to eat a more alkaline diet to offset the acidity of the cml drugs > (I am on Sprycel) > > So, I am not using a lot of supplements. If you need calcium and/or > iron....use some blackstrap molasses. My present naturopath will often tell > me what foods to try to add to my diet (like beans and greens for iron, etc). > > Have a fun trip........and maybe you want to reassess your naturopath when > you return. > C. > > PS....here is a funny comment along the same lines > when I changed to a new local oncologist, I wanted one who was not > anti-alternative medicine as my naturopath was part of my health > team.......when I asked me his position about alternative medicine, he said > it was fine with him if it didn't cost me too much!! > Also, I have doctored with Dr. Druker for 7 years and he has no problem > with the alternative supplements that I take (which are limited and for > specific reasons). > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Hi . thanks for your input on natuopaths,he also did his residency in oncology thats why i was surprized he would give me something that interacted with the Gleevec. but as said he is not familiar with the Gleevec . My red blood count was high not low, that'ts what he was trying to fix with the b vitamins, My first 2 hour visit cost me $500 and another $200 in supplements and his visits now are$125and another $ 100 in supplement every 3moths.My next visit is in Dec. . I will reasess the situation when i get back .I have a new problem now , my glucose levels are creeping up,does that have any thing to do with the Gleevec? or am i eating to many carbs i think normal is up to 99 and mine was 102. What do you eat on an alkaline diet? thanks again for all your info ________________________ Hi Esther, I think he should have been a bit more aware of Gleevec or looked into it and not just Rx'd something....my naturopath is very cautious about what she gives me. She understands that the most important thing is my medical drug.....and her goals are to help with any side effects and health in general. I don't know much of anything about high red count, as it is not common with cml...but your oncologist should be addressing that I assume? I would say his rates are high (sky high?) but it varies in different parts of the country. Sometimes I am seen for almost 1.5 hours and the charge is $150....and it sounds like he pushes supplements. I would suggest that you consult with another NP, and see if one will treat you more naturally (vs less supplements) and at a lower cost. My most expensive product is my complete vit, mineral, liver support supplement....which is a completely balanced breakfast and it costs about $66 for a 3-week supply (or $3.50 per meal).......I have been on this since the start of my treatment and am happy to pay this amount.........now I don't even use this every day, but it is nice that I am getting all the goodies in one package! Remember that you can only test glucose when you do a fasting blood chemistry....which we do not usually do. But I also have a borderline high glucose that I am watching. Recently I have read several articles promoting cinnamon for this. " American scientists have claimed that a teaspoon of cinnamon a day may help prevent the onset of diabetes " . Right now I am putting a 1/2 tsp. in my am drink. There are many common foods that have health benefits......like curcurmin in curry, etc. which is why you don't need to dose yourself up with so many supplements.......these micronutrients are better and more absorbable in food form. Alkaline diet: less red meat....lots of healthy fruits and veggies. You can add fresh lemon or lime to your water (it is alkaline in the body). goggle this and I am sure you will find lists and then you can highlight the alkaline foods that you personally like. And raw food are especially good for you if you tolerate them....as they have live enzymes. So raw veggies when you can. Take care, I enjoy sharing this information with you, C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 Thank you Marcos, everyones input really helps Esther > > > > > > > > Hi everyone i'm going out of the country for a couple of weeks for a > > > > vacation I will be on a plane for 11 hours .i'm a alittle concerned > > > > about the germs. My natuopath gave me some supplements that have > > 5000 > > > > iu vitamin a, 500mg vitamin c,25mg vitamin b6,and 15mg of > > > > zinc,licorice,bromelain, ginger, oregan grape root.It also has > > > > echinacea, did i see on someones post a while back that echinacea > > > > has interactions with the Gleevec or is this ok to take .If there > > any > > > > other suggestions for my trip[i'm getting a little nervous going out > > > > of the country in case i get sick] please let me know. > > > > > > > > thanks,Esther > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Marcos Perreau Guimaraes > Suppes Brain Lab > Ventura Hall - CSLI > Stanford University > 220 Panama street > Stanford CA 94305-4101 > 650 614 2305 > 650 630 5015 (cell) > marcospg@... > montereyunderwater@... > www.stanford.edu/~marcospg/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 Hi , the funny thing is just today someone told me about the cinnamon ,and i was eating cottage cheese with cinnamon while i was reading your post. I've been thinking i should just ditch the natureopath and go to weight watchers it's a heck of alot cheaper. thanks again for your input i've enjoyed talking to you. Esther > > Hi . thanks for your input on natuopaths,he also did his residency > in oncology thats why i was surprized he would give me something that > interacted with the Gleevec. but as said he is not familiar with > the Gleevec . My red blood count was high not low, that'ts what he was > trying to fix with the b vitamins, My first 2 hour visit cost me $500 > and another $200 in supplements and his visits now are$125and another $ > 100 in supplement every 3moths.My next visit is in Dec. . I will > reasess the situation when i get back .I have a new problem now , my > glucose levels are creeping up,does that have any thing to do with the > Gleevec? or am i eating to many carbs i think normal is up to 99 and > mine was 102. What do you eat on an alkaline diet? thanks again for all > your info > ________________________ > > Hi Esther, > I think he should have been a bit more aware of Gleevec or looked into it > and not just Rx'd something....my naturopath is very cautious about what > she gives me. She understands that the most important thing is my medical > drug.....and her goals are to help with any side effects and health in > general. I don't know much of anything about high red count, as it is > not common with cml...but your oncologist should be addressing that I assume? > > I would say his rates are high (sky high?) but it varies in different parts > of the country. Sometimes I am seen for almost 1.5 hours and the charge is > $150....and it sounds like he pushes supplements. I would suggest that you > consult with another NP, and see if one will treat you more naturally (vs > less supplements) and at a lower cost. My most expensive product is my > complete vit, mineral, liver support supplement....which is a completely > balanced breakfast and it costs about $66 for a 3-week supply (or $3.50 per > meal).......I have been on this since the start of my treatment and am > happy to pay this amount.........now I don't even use this every day, but > it is nice that I am getting all the goodies in one package! > > Remember that you can only test glucose when you do a fasting blood > chemistry....which we do not usually do. But I also have a borderline high > glucose that I am watching. Recently I have read several articles promoting > cinnamon for this. > " American scientists have claimed that a teaspoon of cinnamon a day may > help prevent the onset of diabetes " . Right now I am putting a 1/2 tsp. in > my am drink. There are many common foods that have health > benefits......like curcurmin in curry, etc. which is why you don't need to > dose yourself up with so many supplements.......these micronutrients are > better and more absorbable in food form. > > Alkaline diet: less red meat....lots of healthy fruits and veggies. You > can add fresh lemon or lime to your water (it is alkaline in the body). > goggle this and I am sure you will find lists and then you can highlight > the alkaline foods that you personally like. And raw food are especially > good for you if you tolerate them....as they have live enzymes. So raw > veggies when you can. > > Take care, I enjoy sharing this information with you, > C. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2007 Report Share Posted September 2, 2007 Hi ESTHER,Your natureopath does not know about Gleevec,you are wasting your money,just post we will help . [ ] Re: Going out of the country Hi , the funny thing is just today someone told me about the cinnamon ,and i was eating cottage cheese with cinnamon while i was reading your post. I've been thinking i should just ditch the natureopath and go to weight watchers it's a heck of alot cheaper. thanks again for your input i've enjoyed talking to you. Esther > > Hi . thanks for your input on natuopaths,he also did his residency > in oncology thats why i was surprized he would give me something that > interacted with the Gleevec. but as said he is not familiar with > the Gleevec . My red blood count was high not low, that'ts what he was > trying to fix with the b vitamins, My first 2 hour visit cost me $500 > and another $200 in supplements and his visits now are$125and another $ > 100 in supplement every 3moths.My next visit is in Dec. . I will > reasess the situation when i get back .I have a new problem now , my > glucose levels are creeping up,does that have any thing to do with the > Gleevec? or am i eating to many carbs i think normal is up to 99 and > mine was 102. What do you eat on an alkaline diet? thanks again for all > your info > ____________ _________ ___ > > Hi Esther, > I think he should have been a bit more aware of Gleevec or looked into it > and not just Rx'd something... .my naturopath is very cautious about what > she gives me. She understands that the most important thing is my medical > drug.....and her goals are to help with any side effects and health in > general. I don't know much of anything about high red count, as it is > not common with cml...but your oncologist should be addressing that I assume? > > I would say his rates are high (sky high?) but it varies in different parts > of the country. Sometimes I am seen for almost 1.5 hours and the charge is > $150....and it sounds like he pushes supplements. I would suggest that you > consult with another NP, and see if one will treat you more naturally (vs > less supplements) and at a lower cost. My most expensive product is my > complete vit, mineral, liver support supplement.. ..which is a completely > balanced breakfast and it costs about $66 for a 3-week supply (or $3.50 per > meal)....... I have been on this since the start of my treatment and am > happy to pay this amount...... ...now I don't even use this every day, but > it is nice that I am getting all the goodies in one package! > > Remember that you can only test glucose when you do a fasting blood > chemistry... .which we do not usually do. But I also have a borderline high > glucose that I am watching. Recently I have read several articles promoting > cinnamon for this. > " American scientists have claimed that a teaspoon of cinnamon a day may > help prevent the onset of diabetes " . Right now I am putting a 1/2 tsp. in > my am drink. There are many common foods that have health > benefits.... ..like curcurmin in curry, etc. which is why you don't need to > dose yourself up with so many supplements. ......these micronutrients are > better and more absorbable in food form. > > Alkaline diet: less red meat....lots of healthy fruits and veggies. You > can add fresh lemon or lime to your water (it is alkaline in the body). > goggle this and I am sure you will find lists and then you can highlight > the alkaline foods that you personally like. And raw food are especially > good for you if you tolerate them....as they have live enzymes. So raw > veggies when you can. > > Take care, I enjoy sharing this information with you, > C. > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Games. http://sims./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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