Re: No logical responses?

[Guest guest]

> So far I have been waiting for any logical response, thus far have

> not seen any.

> Thanks,

> Brad Welker, D.C.

_____________________________________________________________________

Brad: I still have not received a satisfactory response to my original

post (post 21817). If you recall, I felt that your response was

muddled due to the fact that you had confused me with Colwell and

you were focused more on my/his intent than the actual CONTENT. I feel

that I gave you the " why " you are looking for. Please re-read and

re-respond.

Remember, the body responds/adapts to what it " perceives " is going on

in and around it in order to increase chance for survival,what the

body-mind perceives does not necessarily to correlate to " reality.

I.e., Body will respond to the Tiger on the movie screen

inappropriately, albeit " intelligently " (knowing that the genetic code

was selected out 40K-100k years ago). Our body has no genetic defense

for Tigers on movie screens and it has no genetic defense against our

sedentary, toxin-filled, mass-media-filled environment we are bathed

in. So it reacts the best it can. Subluxation/fixation (and glbal

posture changes for that matter) for instance can very logically be

seen as an " intelligent " (given the context of our genes being those

of hunter/gatherers, a people who were constantly moving/walking

massively throughout the day), albeit " inappropriate " / " incorrect "

attempt to change the environment in and around those connective

tissue/articular cells to one that it more favorable for survival. If

we know that movement is essential for health (mainstream concept:

movement is necessary for life, so is food and water etc.) and we know

that lack of movement in long term is not only detremental locally but

actually neurologically-toxic (facilitates nociception with global

deleterious effects on body)... then, we must practice the art of

differentiating " properly " immobilized " and " properly-deformed global

postures " structures/articulations/tissues (acute/sub-acute injury and

subsequent antalgia for instance) from " improperly immobilized " and

" improperly deformed " global postures. Once we have done this we go to

work!

Lastly, I know folks are inflammed at you. And a few were

unprofessional toward you. I am not upset with you, I respect the core

of what you are trying to post, you are smart and you are a thinker,

but you are basically a newcomer to this list and since this was your

first contribution of any substance you are bascially " perceived " as a

troll http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_trolls and it is now up to

you to show us that you are not. So, do your best to keep on point,

don't bait, show us " your hand " and you will get the respect you are

looking for.

list moderator

[Guest guest]

Dr. ,

Thank you for your response, sorry if I did not answer this

appropriately.

I hope you don't mind, I would like to respond to each of your

thoughts seperately.

" we know that movement is essential for health (mainstream concept:

> movement is necessary for life, so is food and water etc.) and we

know

> that lack of movement in long term is not only detremental locally

but

> actually neurologically-toxic (facilitates nociception with global

> deleterious effects on body)... then, we must practice the art of

> differentiating " properly " immobilized " and " properly-deformed

global

> postures " structures/articulations/tissues (acute/sub-acute injury

and

> subsequent antalgia for instance) from " improperly immobilized " and

> " improperly deformed " global postures. Once we have done this we go

to

> work! "

***Movement is essential to health, not to injury. Why do we

decrease movement when there is a fracture or dislocation? Why not

move the joint, it will keep it healthy. My point is that in a case

of fracture or dislocation immobilization is crucial to health

because the bone or joint is unstable. This does not mean the person

can not move other parts of their body, just not the unstable part.

This is what I am saying about an injured facet, capsule, disc,

tissue, the body may limit motion to increase stability and reduce

the chances of reinjury. This is accomplished by way of scar tissue,

fibrosis, adhesions and many times bony fusion. Should we push

through the osteophyte because we feel the joint needs more motion?

You are kidding, people are inflamed at me, hadn't occured to me. Ha

Ha. Just kidding. The way I entered the group may not have been the

best/nicest approach, I admit that but it does not mean that I have

not studied and do not know what I am talking about. I have

apologized for any hurt feelings and hope we can continue in a

professional manner.

The Troll

Brad Welker, D.C.

> > So far I have been waiting for any logical response, thus far

have

> > not seen any.

> > Thanks,

>

> > Brad Welker, D.C.

>

_____________________________________________________________________

> Brad: I still have not received a satisfactory response to my

original

> post (post 21817). If you recall, I felt that your response was

> muddled due to the fact that you had confused me with Colwell

and

> you were focused more on my/his intent than the actual CONTENT. I

feel

> that I gave you the " why " you are looking for. Please re-read and

> re-respond.

>

> Remember, the body responds/adapts to what it " perceives " is going

on

> in and around it in order to increase chance for survival,what the

> body-mind perceives does not necessarily to correlate to " reality.

> I.e., Body will respond to the Tiger on the movie screen

> inappropriately, albeit " intelligently " (knowing that the genetic

code

> was selected out 40K-100k years ago). Our body has no genetic

defense

> for Tigers on movie screens and it has no genetic defense against

our

> sedentary, toxin-filled, mass-media-filled environment we are bathed

> in. So it reacts the best it can. Subluxation/fixation (and glbal

> posture changes for that matter) for instance can very logically be

> seen as an " intelligent " (given the context of our genes being those

> of hunter/gatherers, a people who were constantly moving/walking

> massively throughout the day), albeit " inappropriate " / " incorrect "

> attempt to change the environment in and around those connective

> tissue/articular cells to one that it more favorable for survival.

If

> we know that movement is essential for health (mainstream concept:

> movement is necessary for life, so is food and water etc.) and we

know

> that lack of movement in long term is not only detremental locally

but

> actually neurologically-toxic (facilitates nociception with global

> deleterious effects on body)... then, we must practice the art of

> differentiating " properly " immobilized " and " properly-deformed

global

> postures " structures/articulations/tissues (acute/sub-acute injury

and

> subsequent antalgia for instance) from " improperly immobilized " and

> " improperly deformed " global postures. Once we have done this we go

to

> work!

>

> Lastly, I know folks are inflammed at you. And a few were

> unprofessional toward you. I am not upset with you, I respect the

core

> of what you are trying to post, you are smart and you are a thinker,

> but you are basically a newcomer to this list and since this was

your

> first contribution of any substance you are bascially " perceived "

as a

> troll http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_trolls and it is now up

to

> you to show us that you are not. So, do your best to keep on point,

> don't bait, show us " your hand " and you will get the respect you are

> looking for.

>

>

>

> list moderator

>

[Guest guest]

You Still have not responded to my post(s) en toto. Your counter is

insufficient and does nothing to reveal how they are " illogicical " .

You need to counter all of my points (not just take one of my points

out of context), otherwise you are just making noise doc. You fail to

show how my posts do not answer the " why " of subluxation as fixation

and/or global posture deformation. You might want to read them a third

time.

Colleagially,

> > > So far I have been waiting for any logical response, thus far

> have

> > > not seen any.

> > > Thanks,

> >

> > > Brad Welker, D.C.

> >

> _____________________________________________________________________

> > Brad: I still have not received a satisfactory response to my

> original

> > post (post 21817). If you recall, I felt that your response was

> > muddled due to the fact that you had confused me with Colwell

> and

> > you were focused more on my/his intent than the actual CONTENT. I

> feel

> > that I gave you the " why " you are looking for. Please re-read and

> > re-respond.

> >

> > Remember, the body responds/adapts to what it " perceives " is going

> on

> > in and around it in order to increase chance for survival,what the

> > body-mind perceives does not necessarily to correlate to " reality.

> > I.e., Body will respond to the Tiger on the movie screen

> > inappropriately, albeit " intelligently " (knowing that the genetic

> code

> > was selected out 40K-100k years ago). Our body has no genetic

> defense

> > for Tigers on movie screens and it has no genetic defense against

> our

> > sedentary, toxin-filled, mass-media-filled environment we are bathed

> > in. So it reacts the best it can. Subluxation/fixation (and glbal

> > posture changes for that matter) for instance can very logically be

> > seen as an " intelligent " (given the context of our genes being those

> > of hunter/gatherers, a people who were constantly moving/walking

> > massively throughout the day), albeit " inappropriate " / " incorrect "

> > attempt to change the environment in and around those connective

> > tissue/articular cells to one that it more favorable for survival.

> If

> > we know that movement is essential for health (mainstream concept:

> > movement is necessary for life, so is food and water etc.) and we

> know

> > that lack of movement in long term is not only detremental locally

> but

> > actually neurologically-toxic (facilitates nociception with global

> > deleterious effects on body)... then, we must practice the art of

> > differentiating " properly " immobilized " and " properly-deformed

> global

> > postures " structures/articulations/tissues (acute/sub-acute injury

> and

> > subsequent antalgia for instance) from " improperly immobilized " and

> > " improperly deformed " global postures. Once we have done this we go

> to

> > work!

> >

> > Lastly, I know folks are inflammed at you. And a few were

> > unprofessional toward you. I am not upset with you, I respect the

> core

> > of what you are trying to post, you are smart and you are a thinker,

> > but you are basically a newcomer to this list and since this was

> your

> > first contribution of any substance you are bascially " perceived "

> as a

> > troll http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_trolls and it is now up

> to

> > you to show us that you are not. So, do your best to keep on point,

> > don't bait, show us " your hand " and you will get the respect you are

> > looking for.

> >

> >

> >

> > list moderator

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dr. ,

Again thank you for your response. Sorry if again I did not answer

you sufficiently. I have answered this a couple of times, you may

want to refer to message 21890, in this e-mail I described the

guarding mechanism/fixation/misalignment. If this does not answer

your question/thoughts please be specific and I will answer. I am

not trying to avoid/take points out of context, just trying to answer

your question as clearly as I can. I do appreciate your thoughts,

good info.

Look forward to further discussion.

Brad Welker, D.C.

> > > > So far I have been waiting for any logical response, thus far

> > have

> > > > not seen any.

> > > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > > Brad Welker, D.C.

> > >

> >

_____________________________________________________________________

> > > Brad: I still have not received a satisfactory response to my

> > original

> > > post (post 21817). If you recall, I felt that your response was

> > > muddled due to the fact that you had confused me with

Colwell

> > and

> > > you were focused more on my/his intent than the actual CONTENT.

I

> > feel

> > > that I gave you the " why " you are looking for. Please re-read

and

> > > re-respond.

> > >

> > > Remember, the body responds/adapts to what it " perceives " is

going

> > on

> > > in and around it in order to increase chance for survival,what

the

> > > body-mind perceives does not necessarily to correlate

to " reality.

> > > I.e., Body will respond to the Tiger on the movie screen

> > > inappropriately, albeit " intelligently " (knowing that the

genetic

> > code

> > > was selected out 40K-100k years ago). Our body has no genetic

> > defense

> > > for Tigers on movie screens and it has no genetic defense

against

> > our

> > > sedentary, toxin-filled, mass-media-filled environment we are

bathed

> > > in. So it reacts the best it can. Subluxation/fixation (and

glbal

> > > posture changes for that matter) for instance can very

logically be

> > > seen as an " intelligent " (given the context of our genes being

those

> > > of hunter/gatherers, a people who were constantly moving/walking

> > > massively throughout the day),

albeit " inappropriate " / " incorrect "

> > > attempt to change the environment in and around those connective

> > > tissue/articular cells to one that it more favorable for

survival.

> > If

> > > we know that movement is essential for health (mainstream

concept:

> > > movement is necessary for life, so is food and water etc.) and

we

> > know

> > > that lack of movement in long term is not only detremental

locally

> > but

> > > actually neurologically-toxic (facilitates nociception with

global

> > > deleterious effects on body)... then, we must practice the art

of

> > > differentiating " properly " immobilized " and " properly-deformed

> > global

> > > postures " structures/articulations/tissues (acute/sub-acute

injury

> > and

> > > subsequent antalgia for instance) from " improperly immobilized "

and

> > > " improperly deformed " global postures. Once we have done this

we go

> > to

> > > work!

> > >

> > > Lastly, I know folks are inflammed at you. And a few were

> > > unprofessional toward you. I am not upset with you, I respect

the

> > core

> > > of what you are trying to post, you are smart and you are a

thinker,

> > > but you are basically a newcomer to this list and since this

was

> > your

> > > first contribution of any substance you are

bascially " perceived "

> > as a

> > > troll http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_trolls and it is

now up

> > to

> > > you to show us that you are not. So, do your best to keep on

point,

> > > don't bait, show us " your hand " and you will get the respect

you are

> > > looking for.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > list moderator

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Brad: Not good enough doc. That post you mention does not address my

posts nor does it respond directly to the numerous points that I make

in my two " illogical " posts. Please allow me the dignity of a direct

response to my only two posts on this subject wherein I clearly

attempt, in earnest, to respond to your original 'rabbit hole' post.

Please try to do so without confusing me with someone else and without

directing me to a your response to another doctor's. And please

demonstrate where my posts are 'illogical'.

Thanks.

Sincerely,

" correct_theory " <correct_theory@...> wrote:

>

> Dr. ,

>

> Again thank you for your response. Sorry if again I did not answer

> you sufficiently. I have answered this a couple of times, you may

> want to refer to message 21890, in this e-mail I described the

> guarding mechanism/fixation/misalignment. If this does not answer

> your question/thoughts please be specific and I will answer. I am

> not trying to avoid/take points out of context, just trying to answer

> your question as clearly as I can. I do appreciate your thoughts,

> good info.

>

> Look forward to further discussion.

>

> Brad Welker, D.C.

>

>

>

>

> > > > > So far I have been waiting for any logical response, thus far

> > > have

> > > > > not seen any.

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > > > Brad Welker, D.C.

> > > >

> > >

> _____________________________________________________________________

> > > > Brad: I still have not received a satisfactory response to my

> > > original

> > > > post (post 21817). If you recall, I felt that your response was

> > > > muddled due to the fact that you had confused me with

> Colwell

> > > and

> > > > you were focused more on my/his intent than the actual CONTENT.

> I

> > > feel

> > > > that I gave you the " why " you are looking for. Please re-read

> and

> > > > re-respond.

> > > >

> > > > Remember, the body responds/adapts to what it " perceives " is

> going

> > > on

> > > > in and around it in order to increase chance for survival,what

> the

> > > > body-mind perceives does not necessarily to correlate

> to " reality.

> > > > I.e., Body will respond to the Tiger on the movie screen

> > > > inappropriately, albeit " intelligently " (knowing that the

> genetic

> > > code

> > > > was selected out 40K-100k years ago). Our body has no genetic

> > > defense

> > > > for Tigers on movie screens and it has no genetic defense

> against

> > > our

> > > > sedentary, toxin-filled, mass-media-filled environment we are

> bathed

> > > > in. So it reacts the best it can. Subluxation/fixation (and

> glbal

> > > > posture changes for that matter) for instance can very

> logically be

> > > > seen as an " intelligent " (given the context of our genes being

> those

> > > > of hunter/gatherers, a people who were constantly moving/walking

> > > > massively throughout the day),

> albeit " inappropriate " / " incorrect "

> > > > attempt to change the environment in and around those connective

> > > > tissue/articular cells to one that it more favorable for

> survival.

> > > If

> > > > we know that movement is essential for health (mainstream

> concept:

> > > > movement is necessary for life, so is food and water etc.) and

> we

> > > know

> > > > that lack of movement in long term is not only detremental

> locally

> > > but

> > > > actually neurologically-toxic (facilitates nociception with

> global

> > > > deleterious effects on body)... then, we must practice the art

> of

> > > > differentiating " properly " immobilized " and " properly-deformed

> > > global

> > > > postures " structures/articulations/tissues (acute/sub-acute

> injury

> > > and

> > > > subsequent antalgia for instance) from " improperly immobilized "

> and

> > > > " improperly deformed " global postures. Once we have done this

> we go

> > > to

> > > > work!

> > > >

> > > > Lastly, I know folks are inflammed at you. And a few were

> > > > unprofessional toward you. I am not upset with you, I respect

> the

> > > core

> > > > of what you are trying to post, you are smart and you are a

> thinker,

> > > > but you are basically a newcomer to this list and since this

> was

> > > your

> > > > first contribution of any substance you are

> bascially " perceived "

> > > as a

> > > > troll http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_trolls and it is

> now up

> > > to

> > > > you to show us that you are not. So, do your best to keep on

> point,

> > > > don't bait, show us " your hand " and you will get the respect

> you are

> > > > looking for.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > list moderator

> > > >

> > >

> >

>